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Federal ALP Opposition 2013-?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by boyo, Oct 24, 2013.

  1. formerflanker John Solomon (38)

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    Sympathies to the Whitlam family, and my respect for his service to Australia as a PM and formerly in the RAAF during WWII.
    Are you saying wilful that prior to Gough's election triumph in 1972, that most of Sydney and Melbourne were unsewered? That sounds like an urban myth to me.
  2. wilful Larry Dwyer (12)

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    seems odd doesn't it formerflanker, but under the national sewerage program, subsequently cancelled by Fraser/Howard, the federal government spent $330 million in a few short years, massively reducing the backlog of unsewered properties in the new growth areas of the major towns.
  3. boyo Paul McLean (56)

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    Parts (or the entire suburb) of Avalon (Sydney) were unsewered in the 1980s, and many parts of western Sydney.
  4. It is what it is John Solomon (38)

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    Oh the shit people had to put up with back in those days.
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  5. Ruggo Mark Ella (57)

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    When you think of what he faced in the upper hose, you just have to piss yourself laughing at today's governments cries about not respecting so called mandates.

    Don't forget he won two elections in those three years also.

    In hindsight he did things too quickly but also remember the historical context that it was the first Labor government in 27 years.
  6. formerflanker John Solomon (38)

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    He certainly captured the mood of the nation like no-one else from either major party could have.
    But then it all went sour. As Sheridan writes in The Australian, "After three years in office, he lost the 1975 election by the greatest electoral landslide in Australian political history.
    He had another go as opposition leader in 1977 and was rejected by a similar margin."
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/in-...on-gough-whitlam/story-fnpxuhqd-1227097838305
  7. The Red Baron Nicholas Shehadie (39)

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    Yep, I remember the street my grandmother lived on had the dunnies down the back of the block, and the shit truck would roll by routinely to empty them out. This was in Lithgow in the 80s. By that stage, my granfather had gotten sick of it, and fitted out a toilet in the house, and hooked it up to a septic tank.

    Even in the very early nineties, having an indoor toilet hooked up to a septic tank was a luxury in that area!
  8. formerflanker John Solomon (38)

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    I don't remember sewerage being in the Constitution as a federal power: therefore it should have been a states responsibility. No wonder Federal spending rose like crazy during the Whitlam era.
    The Whitlam legacy: Big government

    Posted on 1:23 pm, October 21, 2014 by Sinclair Davidson
    Federal government expenditure has never recoved from the Whitlam era:
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  9. boyo Paul McLean (56)

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    That goes to show that the/some states neglected some issues.
  10. formerflanker John Solomon (38)

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    Yes, but:
    Similarly, it has been endlessly repeated this week that Whitlam brought the troops home from Vietnam. This is complete nonsense. The bulk of Australian combat troops left Vietnam in 1971. By the end of 1972, when Whitlam was elected, there was a tiny handful of army training advisers and a small group providing security for the Australian embassy. The army advisers had been scheduled to come out anyway
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opi...ough-whitlam-god/story-e6frg76f-1227099027975
  11. Runner Nev Cottrell (35)

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    As did the number of Federal depts
  12. Bullrush Jim Lenehan (48)

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    Wow...no sewerage in the 90's?!?! Shit..that sounds like a story I would hear my grandfather say

    "Back in my day before we had new flash toilets INSIDE the house.."

    Still getting used to this state v federal arrangement thingy you guys have here. Can someone tell me what the benefit of having the separate state governments is?
  13. wilful Larry Dwyer (12)

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    So if Whitlam was "such a disaster" economically, how come he left Australia with no net debt, which Howard and Fraser then fucked up completely? And if Medicare was so unaffordable, how come Fraser Howard and Abbott haven't dared touch it since? Have a read of this:
    Any and all suggestions that Whitlam was no good economically are demonstrably false.
  14. boyo Paul McLean (56)

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    Runner will be along shortly to tell you that you are wrong.
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  15. Ruggo Mark Ella (57)

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    And your point is? As for Greg Sheridan, I couldn't give a toss what he thinks or what he writes. He is your typical smart arse that seeks perfection with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight.

    For the record, I have never been a huge Gough Whitlam fan. I do however acknowledge the opportunities he has created for people in my age group. He didn't just capture the mood of the nation, he changed it. So many of his reforms and programs live on despite being in altered forms. Tertiary education may not be free but to this day, everybody is afforded the opportunity soley on academic merit. In a day and age where we can't dig up our stuff quick enough to export to China, remember it was Gough who had the courage to seek relations with China while the conservatives who all harping on about reds under the bed. Tariff reduction is most notably Hawke/Keating legacy but Gough got that ball rolling. Gough's vision of a social safety net paved the way for Hawke and Keating to make the major economic reforms they did.

    Gough did so much more than "capture the mood of the nation" and the test of history has proven that to be fact.
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  16. Ruggo Mark Ella (57)

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    It was to create the continent as one nation. In many aspects, the constitution is a document for days gone by. In many cases it has been left to the High Court to progress the nation with the times.
  17. Ruggo Mark Ella (57)

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    Great post mate but can I please ask you reference your source.

    Cheers.
  18. Runner Nev Cottrell (35)

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    Australia is a Federation of states ( really separate countries each with a governor or Queens representative, that came together in 1900 for their Commonwealth.So we have a Governor's General in Canberra to look after the Federal systems constitution.

    The states stay together out of self interest and because of the changing fiscal balance overtime. Thought in the 1930's WA voted to breakaway from Australia. It lead tio fiscal equalization.

    We could after some period abolish as the French did states and have bigger local government but here it is happening slowly as the states slowly loose powers to the Commonwealth.
  19. wilful Larry Dwyer (12)

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