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GPS (NSW) Rowing 2014

Discussion in 'Everything Else' started by strokeside, Sep 4, 2013.

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who will win

Grammar 2 vote(s) 6.3%
High 1 vote(s) 3.1%
Joeys 3 vote(s) 9.4%
Kings 3 vote(s) 9.4%
Newington 3 vote(s) 9.4%
Riverview 5 vote(s) 15.6%
Scots 2 vote(s) 6.3%
Shore 13 vote(s) 40.6%
TAS 2 vote(s) 6.3%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. fpiglet Darby Loudon (17)

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    I'll make it simple, if you didn't read my comment precisely and just went all feral about GPS schools (you brought them into it not me.)

    The point is:

    You (and the last blogger) seem to miss the point that all the other competitors (in the 3rd VIII) are there to race their grade. By all means KW race but what about going in (to the 3rd VIII) as an invitational entry if the crew is, as stated by ELM, so fast? Maybe if they had waited four or five events they could have rowed in the SB 2nd VIII or SB 1st VIII that would have been more their standard (as times demonstrated).

    As stated, I'm all for their rowing programme, you must have missed that point too.
  2. fpiglet Darby Loudon (17)

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    With regards to rowing sheds for the girls schools, it has nothing to do with the GPS schools. Take that to the RMS and rich NIMBY waterfront owners. Look at the difficulty SU has getting its shed rebuilt. I don't think an additional rowing shed has been built in Sydney for yonks for fear of been washed out by powerboat marinas. In fact, several GPS schools bent over backwards to kick start girl's school rowing by giving them access to their sheds.
  3. Inside Shoulder Nathan Sharpe (72)

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    I would add that rowing on a rural dam or river should give you better water than you get in a month of sundays on the parra - or have things changed?
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  4. fpiglet Darby Loudon (17)

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    Nope. Maybe the boys in the bush should get a couple of Fantasea cats tearing past them left and right in concert with the Marjorie Jackson or Nicole Livingston and they'll appreciate how good they get it!
  5. Edgar Ijmuiden Stan Wickham (3)

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    This issue of starting in the right grade could all be prevented, if we all start racing heats and A-X finals. That way crews of same capability start against each other, no more procession races.

    In our discussion KWS would have been in the right final same as all others. There might be cases where one school has more than one crew racing a A final, but that is competition.

    APS in VIC do it with great success.

    In terms of maximising time: KWS rowed in three races per day with the same rowers, most other schools are doing a maximum of two, correct me if I am wrong.
  6. fpiglet Darby Loudon (17)

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    Sorry EIJM, I'm afraid that'll never float (excuse the pun). People or club regatta organisers don't have the time to run heats, semis and then A,B,C finals for a start. That type of racing is only suited to Nationals or State where crews already know if they've up for a competitive time. With your suggestion, where would you stop in terms of boat class let alone allowing for age or gender? The simple fact is that it was a club regatta event which has many different classes to be raced in one day. As I stated, KWS could simply have waited four or five events (approx 20-25 minutes) and raced in the 2nd VIII or 1st VIII and they would have been in a more appropriate race class (refer to SRC Regatta schedule). It's irrelevant as to how many races one wants to race. Race as much as you like in the appropriate grade or distance. As the meerkat says, "simples."
  7. Edgar Ijmuiden Stan Wickham (3)

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    It might be a stretch for pure school regattas, as there is the expectation that school sports should be done an dusted before 12PM.

    For club regattas it would work if they get rid of all masters events, I don't know why they have been allowed on SIRC during prime season. They can race 1000m perfectly on the Nepean or on SIRC in April/May, but that is a different conversation.

    Plenty of examples are around, ISRA does it (Nov 23, 2013) within a day. Although there are restrictions in doubles and singles of one entry per school/club. The previous format was open and it took 1.5 days to go through schedule.
  8. fpiglet Darby Loudon (17)

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    Tell that to the cricketers! We've had this discussion before…. if anyone wants to finish their sport by 12PM then they can always go play basketball.

    Then tell your next point to the Masters rowers! Good luck! They are the fastest growing component of rowing and as they're cashed up they bring in much needed membership and seat racing dollars to RNSW. I'd like to see you tell a Masters rower to their face to take their measly 1000m race and stick it where it belongs.. and I'm not talking about the men!!!

    Just to be clear, the school 3rd VIII is mostly for the 32nd - 40th ranked rowers in the school system (often ex-coxswains or those who started in Year 11). Is it just me or does that not strike you as a bit unequitable when top rowers are entering that event? KW definitely have top class rowers so…..? The 3rd VIIIs didn't need to be presented with the photographic evidence of 'daylight' between them and KW.
  9. fpiglet Darby Loudon (17)

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    Anyone want to gaze into the crystal ball and offer some predictions for Saturday? Any event.
  10. Edgar Ijmuiden Stan Wickham (3)

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    Agree on the difficulty dealing with the masters wannabees.

    I think by your standards, SBH 1st 8+ should really be competing in the 2nd or 3rd VIII races. Coz, the distance is usually 45sec plus to the first.
  11. Edgar Ijmuiden Stan Wickham (3)

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    1st VIII Shore
    2nd VIII Shore
    3rd VIII I dunno
    1st IV Shore
    2nd IV Shore
    1st Yr10 Kings OR Shore
  12. Spieber Bob Loudon (25)

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    Edgar, the poor old GPS 3rd VIII guys have a tough life. They are given next to zero respect in their boatsheds (the "gay" 8 at one school) and probably have never won a race. Don't deny one of these crews a moment of glory.
    Comparison with SBHS is not valid. The guys in the 1st VIII would be idolised by the rest of the boatshed - they receive sporting colours and feel a sense of achievement no matter what happens at HOTR. They can also long forward to doing well at the CHS championships.
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  13. Spieber Bob Loudon (25)

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    Yr 10 VIII - Kings
    3rd VIII - Joeys
    Penrith City Trophy - Joeys
    Father Gatland Trophy - Scots
    Allan Callaway Trophy - Shore
    Yaralla Cup - Shore
    LC Robson Trophy - Shore
    Major Rennie Trophy
    Podium - Iggies/Joeys/Shore - Joeys to win by a canvass :eek:
  14. Major Rennie Herbert Moran (7)

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    Agree with you Spieber except the Major Rennie. Shore's 1st VIII are a solid crew, well coached and will be difficult to stop. Maybe a canvass between 2nd and 3rd. Joeys most likely to come 2nd again. This year maybe beyond other crews though I reckon in the next few years there could be a different favourite.

    As another post said, there aren't many upsets at HOTR. Could be wrong this year though last one was in 2005 when ironically Shore upset Joeys.

    Let's hope for good conditions. Forecast looks ok.

    MR
  15. Bowrigs Frank Row (1)

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    In the 1st VIII race there is no chance that Joeys will beat shore, they will struggle to beat Riverview. I predict shore to go under 550 and win by several boatlengths.

    The 1st Year 10 VIII is looking like it will be the most entertaining race of the day, hotly contested between Shore, Kings, Newington and Riverview. With all of these crews having their turn at the top and races often finishing with these crews within seconds of each other. I predict a very close finish with all four boats to be within a length with Newington 1st followed by Riverview 2nd , Kings 3rd and Shore 4th.
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  16. fpiglet Darby Loudon (17)

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    Correction: Kings, Newington, Joeys and Sydney High attended the GPS sculling trial.
  17. fpiglet Darby Loudon (17)

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    Not completely convinced about Joeys not beating Shore. If they can stay within 1-2 secs at the first 500 then they can row through. However, I think the plan needs to be beating Shore to the first 500 and putting them under pressure for a change, otherwise.. My tip is for Joeys to do the VIII double! Gulp! I agree the times of the top three crews will be well under 6 mins. May be slight tail wind from the north east which may favour lanes 6,5, & 4. Otherwise I agree with Spieber for the rest.
  18. lincoln Syd Malcolm (24)

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    Race day - all the best for the hundreds of boys rowing! Everybody else take a bex and have a good lie down
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  19. lincoln Syd Malcolm (24)

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    Congratulations to all the winners. Some brief observations: Shore 1st 8 first 5, Shore 2nd 8 last 5 (1.28!!!!), and Joeys 4th 4 (significantly faster than their 1st 4 - not a good look). Bring on the Aust Championships and Scotch!
    David Jennings now has 6 wins, rapidly closing in on Garry Uebergang's record 7.
  20. Rowing for Life Bob McCowan (2)

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    Winning crews:
    4th 4 Joeys, View, Scots
    3rd 4 Scots, View, Shore
    2nd 4 Shore, Joeys, Kings
    1st 4 Shore, Kings, Grammar
    2nd 8 Shore, Joeys, Scots and View for third
    1st 8 Shore, Joeys, Scots

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