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Lance is a cheat? Yes or no

Discussion in 'Cycling' started by I like to watch, Jun 14, 2012.

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Lance is a cheat?

Yes 42 vote(s) 84.0%
No 8 vote(s) 16.0%
  1. Ash Michael Lynagh (62)

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    Armstrong has people wanting to sue him because Armstrong sued all and sundry during his career - the guy was particularly litigious and vindictive. I hope that the British newspaper (whose name I've forgotten; was it The Times?) sues the hell out of Armstrong and gets more than their money back (if you missed it, they dared to run an article in the mid-2000s which quoted someone who had seen Armstrong dope, and Armstrong sued the pants off them in retaliation). That's just one example; there's heaps more I can use Google to find.

    But I agree with your opinion on getting all of them. Personally, I just want to move on from that era in cycling, and I see Armstrong as basically being representative of all that is wrong with that era. There are still many caught and uncaught unrepentant dopers from that era, but I see Armstrong being caught as an important admission to what occurred, and being able to move on. A part of moving on has to be change in the UCI, which hopefully this will bring about.

    Basso is a funny case. He was suspended for two years and came back, but he's at a much, much lower level than he was before he was suspended, leaving little doubt as what he was up to before. Basso was basically caught in Op Peurto, yet used the excuse that he was "planning to dope", but hadn't yet. Not much of an admission, really. Guys who come out and tell all fairly honestly (recently like Thomas Frei and Bernard Kohl) are few and far between. Much easier to maintain the omerta and be allowed back into the peloton.

    To be honest, I don't have much time for Basso either. Or other unrepentant and denialist dopers, like Valverde.
  2. Rob42 Ron Walden (29)

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    Lance is very unlikely to make any sort of confession because he has an insurance company suing him for the millions they paid out on behalf of US Postal as bonuses for his TDF wins. If he confesses, he'll have to pay it back.

    Not to mention the fact that he's always seemed as far away from remorse or guilt as it is possible to be.
  3. ChargerWA Mark Loane (55)

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    News.com.au reporting Lance admitted to doping in the Oprah interview.
  4. daz Guest

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    IF, and it's a big IF, Armstrong admits to doping on the Winfrey couch (or at anytime thereafter), the following should occur in quick succession:

    1) He is sued for the return of every cent he made by every sponsor and government subsidy (including payments won against media organisations who were successfully sued for slander when they dared suggest Armstrong was a drug cheat).
    2) A warrant for his arrest is made by the local/state/federal government, and subsequent trial, conviction and jailing is carried out.
    3) His ban from competing in ANY event, anywhere in the world, is upheld.
    4) He should burn in hell.

    But maybe that's just me. :)
  5. Braveheart81 Rocky Elsom (76)

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    I can't imagine that Armstrong is admitting to doping (which he has reportedly done today) without having first tested the waters.

    There must be some guarantees that he has got regarding both the likely ban he will receive from WADA/USADA (to reduce his current life ban) and some sort of indemnification against criminal prosecution because he presumably lied in front of the grand jury (the reason for which Marion Jones went to prison).

    The reason behind all of this is that he wants to be able to compete in ironman, triathlon and marathon races which he is currently banned for life from. I can't imagine he'd be risking going to prison just to be able to compete again.
  6. daz Guest

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    Sadly, I agree with you BH. There is no way Armstrong will come out and say "I'm a drug cheat" this week unless he has written and lawful immunity from all sorts of post-admission issues.

    He spent years evading detection and more years being extremely wilful in his denials. He also has a lot of money to protect. He is not stupid enough to just walk into a room and throw all that away. Not even Oprah could protect him!

    I do wonder though, if he could genuinely admit to steroid-doping as a cure for testicular cancer; namely, the drugs shrunk his balls away.
  7. ChargerWA Mark Loane (55)

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    There was a report last week saying that the statute of limitations for him to be convicted over lying to the grand jury expired last month, so he won't go to prison. Only have to deal with the civil claims.

    Cynical timing much?
  8. Braveheart81 Rocky Elsom (76)

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    I think it's accurate more than cynical.

    Lance Armstrong would be an idiot to say anythig in public that would risk him going to prison. This whole charade is to try and improve his position, not worsen it.
  9. Torn Hammy Johnnie Wallace (23)

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    Pete King and I like to watch like this.
  10. Ash Michael Lynagh (62)

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    Lots of fantastic and interesting articles have come out recently on Lance.

    Here's some, if you interested in reading:

    Behind Lance Armstrong's Decision to Talk:
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324734904578241801441261928.html?mod=wsj_share_tweet

    Excerpt:

    Justice Department Takes Aim at Armstrong:
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323596204578242250517426858.html

    Excerpt:

    Lance Armstrong's doping admission: Questions Oprah should have asked:
    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/questions-oprah-should-ask-lance-armstrong-230849439.html

    Excerpt:
    The one above really resonated with me on how much of a bastard the guy is.

    For example:


    Lance Armstrong may return some taxpayer money team received:
    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-400_162...may-return-some-taxpayer-money-team-received/
  11. daz Guest

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    Just to answer the original question posed in the title of this thread, the answer from the horses mouth, is yes.
  12. It is what it is John Solomon (38)

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    In the interview he came across as a dud bash of a bloke.
    He's a cheat and he's boring too.
  13. Ash Michael Lynagh (62)

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    To me, he came across as a bit of a sociopath.
    Braveheart81 and Inside Shoulder like this.
  14. ChargerWA Mark Loane (55)

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    He appears to be so sociopathic, he has gone one more step and has no empathy for himself either. I got through the whole interview feeling like I was watching a robot. No genuine emotion, just answers he thought were expected of him.

    I don't even think he did it to clear the air, he just did it so everyone would leave him the fuck alone.
  15. Bruwheresmycar Nicholas Shehadie (39)

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    That's what I thought beforehand, and it got massively re-enforced today. I simply stopped watching because I got tired of his attitude.

    He would admit to cheating and ruining all these people's lives. And instead of concluding "yeah it's best if I take time off and make big changes to my life, I have really screwed up". He thinks calling them to say sorry is a great start and that he should get back to winning ironmans in the meantime. Against athletes who haven't had the benefit of training on EPO for the last decade.
  16. Torn Hammy Johnnie Wallace (23)

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    Paul Kimmage putting the boot in.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013/jan/19/lance-armstrong-cycling


  17. Baldric Jim Clark (26)

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    About the only thing that Lance is sorry about is that he got caught.
  18. Braveheart81 Rocky Elsom (76)

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  19. Baldric Jim Clark (26)

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  20. I like to watch Simon Poidevin (60)

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    Words fail me, what a dog.He is shameless.

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