I think this is a very interesting point of General Discussion at the moment given the decision in the final RE:- Jantes picking up the ball and grounding it in his in goal. 21.14 - "If a player who is in goal picks up a stationary ball within the field of play, that player has taken the ball into in-goal. 21.2 - picking up a ball is not grounding it.. and just to confuse things 21.15 - if a player who is in-goal picks up a moving ball within the field of play, that player has not taken the ball into in-goal. So obviously in this matter Gus ruled that Jantes picked up a stationary ball in the field of play and grounded it resulting in a scrum to the Crusaders. As with so many things that can happen in Rugby this has opened the referee up to criticism with people genuinely able to say the ball was moving and Law 21.15 should have applied, or even that the ball was simply on the line and therefore in-goal. So what do the GAGRs think? IMO - 21.14 &.15 are part of the Law Variations and do nothing to clarify and actually make it worse. Simplify the Laws - in all cases if the player playing the ball is out of play so therefore is the ball. So in cases like this if the player is in goal and picks it up he has obviously carried the ball back regardless of its motion. It is silly to contend otherwise. Do away with plane of touch, plane of the goal line etc etc etc. None of it is relevant.