Ledesma keen to stay in Oz

[Lindommer]

Ledesma played before the current CTPE/CBS sequences, his expertise comes from the Argentinean "bajada" practices of the 70s and 80s. To say good scrummagers of past eras can't contribute today is palpably incorrect.

 

[pjm]

Bajada is a very simple concept that is nothing without technique, the techniques in use today weren't around last century. And Ledesma retired in 2011 so he had plenty of exposure to them.

 

[Ignoto]

The scrum is entirely different these days, though that's not something that the old boys like to admit. I showed my old man scrums from his glory days of the 60's through to the 80's and he was still in denial.

The scrums Stiles packed down in are vastly different to the scrums of today's era. Yet for a season or two, everyone has been singing his praises in how the Reds have developed their scrum.

 

[liquor box]

.and any other window above the 7th floor I'm guessing

there would be quite an unreasonable delay getting to the 7th floor, I am happy to risk using the 3rd floor

 

[USARugger]

The Wallabies don't use a Bajada scrum. Their technique looks pretty stock-standard for modern rugby, they're just executing the little things much better than they have in ages.

 

[pjm]

The scrums Stiles packed down in are vastly different to the scrums of today's era. Yet for a season or two, everyone has been singing his praises in how the Reds have developed their scrum.

Slipper has slipped from top LH to on the bench. Stiles was a crap player and is a crap coach.

 

[USARugger]

Slipper has slipped from top LH to on the bench. Stiles was a crap player and is a crap coach.

Slipper has been playing injured almost all year and is due for a pair of shoulder recons - Scott Sio is also an exceptional talent.

Reds had the most successful LO in 2015's Super Rugby comp and one of the strongest scrums. Brisbane City won the innaugural NRC.

Pull your head in.

 

[Braveheart81]

Slipper has slipped from top LH to on the bench. Stiles was a crap player and is a crap coach.

I don't think the logic really follows.

 

[Scoey]

Slipper has slipped from top LH to on the bench. Stiles was a crap player and is a crap coach.

Don't know if you've ever propped before but it's pretty tricky without shoulders. I don't care how good a coach Stiles is, he can't coach Slipper's shoulders better.

 

[fatprop]

Slipper has slipped from top LH to on the bench. Stiles was a crap player and is a crap coach.

Well I get to call bullshit, good scrummager in his day and doing great work coaching Brisbane

 

[A mutterer]

Slipper has been playing injured almost all year and is due for a pair of shoulder recons - Scott Sio is also an exceptional talent.

Reds had the most successful LO in 2015's Super Rugby comp and one of the strongest scrums. Brisbane City won the innaugural NRC.

Pull your head in.

aptly put since we're talking about scrums

also, slipper has punched well about his weight in carrying the injuries and performing at the level he did all season.

 

[RugbyReg]

Slipper has slipped from top LH to on the bench. Stiles was a crap player and is a crap coach.

Surely one of the worst players ever to play 90 odd times for his state and play for the Wallabies let alone be part of the first Wallaby team to beat the Lions for about 80 years?

And how shite are the QLD and Brisbane City scrums?

Pfft, what a dud.

 

[Gnostic]

The Wallabies don't use a Bajada scrum. Their technique looks pretty stock-standard for modern rugby, they're just executing the little things much better than they have in ages.

Even the Argies dont really use the Bajada technique as it was when made famous. There was a documentary piece on it from World Rugby before the RWC. I'll see if I can find it.

 

[Gnostic]

Slipper has slipped from top LH to on the bench. Stiles was a crap player and is a crap coach.

Did you even watch rugby back then when Stiles was playing? Stiles was a very good prop, perhaps not as mobile as some but very good otherwise.

 

[Gnostic]

We have known for some time that Slipper has been carrying the injuries. That he still manages the level of dominance/effectiveness that he does speaks very well to the quality of player that he is. I certainly hope that he comes back fully from the off-season maintenance that has been scheduled because both he and Sio have long careers ahead in the Wallabies 23.

 

[USARugger]

Even the Argies dont really use the Bajada technique as it was when made famous. There was a documentary piece on it from World Rugby before the RWC. I'll see if I can find it.

Yeah, it's pretty easy to spot whether or not the lock is hugging the ass of his prop or threading the arm through the leg.

Pretty sure our 9 doesn't call the cadence at the scrums, much less the 3-step waltz that defines the Bajada.. (I think the 8 does?) but don't quote me on that because I've been drinking a lot during the Wallabies games so far.

 

[pjm]

Sounds like you guys have Stiles and Slipper up on your wall.

 

[Scoey]

Maybe. Or maybe you're a bit wide of the mark in your appraisal of Stiles and Slipper.
Or maybe and probably most likely you've forgotten that this place has a no dickheads policy.

 

[Lindommer]

pjm, we encourage, and applaud, positive, insightful and/or humorous comments on this site. Bits and pieces that add to the knowledge and enjoyment of this great game. Please take note.

 

[BDA]

Maybe. Or maybe you're a bit wide of the mark in your appraisal of Stiles and Slipper.
Or maybe and probably most likely you've forgotten that this place has a no dickheads policy.

I'm thinking of put this up on my wall