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Mining and the Greens

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Scotty, Sep 14, 2010.

  1. The_Brown_Hornet Michael Lynagh (62)

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    I think they've done pretty well to withstand the punishment they've received as it is. I'll reserve my judgement about this until the incident is over.
  2. Moses Simon Poidevin (60)

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    200,000 Japanese evacuated from within a 20km radius of the reactor. Puts a new perspective on "not in my backyard" doesn't it..
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  3. sevenpointdropgoal Larry Dwyer (12)

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    I've not seen any reasonable news outlets predicting fallout in Europe, though I've not seen everything that's been written. Never the less, elements of the media, particularly online sources, talk back and tabloids, do tend to overstate the potential impact of any sort of contentious issue. The fact is that frothing at the mouth is a great way of selling copy. For another example of unnecessary panic I'll draw your attention to a little island nation surrounded by the Indian, Southern and Pacific oceans, which is currently having a ridiculous pitched battle over the impact of relatively minor piece of carbon focused taxation legislation.
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  4. The_Brown_Hornet Michael Lynagh (62)

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    Sure does, but that will be precautionary. From what I am reading at the moment, there is no imminent danger to human life with respect to fallout etc.
  5. Ruggo Mark Ella (57)

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    Well there is no fear mongering in this article.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/03/15/3164595.htm
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  6. Scotty David Codey (61)

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    You stretched pretty hard then to get a comparison between a debate on tax and predictions of a nuclear meltdown.

    If it is so minor a piece of legislation then why have it at all? What do you think about norways experience?
  7. sevenpointdropgoal Larry Dwyer (12)

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    Hehe. sorry, I was just having a bit of a dig.
  8. Scotty David Codey (61)

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    That is what it is all about!
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  9. Cutter Nicholas Shehadie (39)

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    Scotty I think the problem is that, irrespective of the facts in any given circumstances, you are a cheerleader for the same issues. On that basis, you shouldn't be surprised when someone pulls you up on it.

    Just the most recent example of this is your posts on the Japan nuclear disaster being exaggerated by the media. If history is anything to go by, the Japanese government, which has a history of covering up nuclear accidents (albeit minor in scale compared to this), is under reporting the seriousness of the situation. Do you reckon they would seriously move 200,000 people if there wasn't an issue? They obviously have radioactivity readings which they aren't reporting. Taking a reading would be one of the first things they would do.

    Events over the next few weeks and months will determine the extent to which the media is exaggerating things. If you are more circumspect in your analysis, you might find less people challenging your cheerleading.
  10. Ruggo Mark Ella (57)

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    I thought it was about mining and the greens.
  11. Elfster Jim Clark (26)

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    Not really about mining and the greens, but I found this article both interesting and scary. I guessit shows that in terms of the environment and things we need to do, there are a hll of a lot of things that need to be considered and that as the environment is a closed dynamic system we need to consider the impact of all things on all other things. (Hmm..I could have probably written that last bit better).

    Regardless, I am thinking that with the environment and such it is a far more complicated thing than a lot of people think it is.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1257665/
  12. Scotty David Codey (61)

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    So you are on the have a pop at Scotty bandwagon as well, are you? Easy target, hey?

    Can you please explain this 'irrespective of the facts in any given circumstances, you are a cheerleader for the same issues'? How does my supporting nuclear energy equate to being anti carbon tax or anti this labor government. It isn't like the Coalition are openly supporting nuclear, and it isn't like starting nuclear in this country won't lower CO2 emissions.

    And you seem to imply that everyone has to be an expert before having an opinion. Not many would be having any opinions on this site if that were the case.

    PS Maybe it would be easier from now on if I don't post any new articles or opinions, and I just sit back and wait to have a crack at what others say?

    PPS Can you see any hypocrisy in what you are saying? Anything you disagree with that I say you are willing to jump onto, but anything that you can't argue against you leave alone.
  13. Scotty David Codey (61)

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    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...s-going-offshore/story-fn59niix-1226022832982

    Julia has made one step in the right direction here, but another little lie thrown in:


    I'm not sure how she expects to keep jobs in high CO2 (can she please start saying carbon dioxide, rather than just 'carbon') industries, while also making a difference to Australia's CO2 output.
  14. Scotty David Codey (61)

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    http://www.climatespectator.com.au/...ily&utm_campaign=580705f35d-&utm_medium=email

    Whether there is or isnt a nuclear disaster in Japan, this could set back nuclear power generation and thus increase CO2 emissions significantly. Funny thing is that the Greens and Greenpeace want to have their cake and eat it too. They are happy to shut down nuclear, but don't want coal. I am yet to see them put forward any plausible base load alternatives.
  15. The_Brown_Hornet Michael Lynagh (62)

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    That's the problem with the Greens and their NGO friends (and frankly many political parties): they want all the authority and none of the responsibility. They are pretty good at telling other people what they should be doing but far less good at offering a practical solution to the problem.
  16. Scotty David Codey (61)

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    Anyone see Peter Harvey's closing comment on sixty minutes last night? In response to a viewers letter, it went something like this: 'If we want to reduce carbon dioxide emissions by closing coal fired power stations, the only answer is nuclear, people (government?) need to get get real'. He also said something about the double hypocrisy of us a) selling coal and uranium around the world and b) saying we want to reduce CO2 emissions and also not wanting nuclear power.

    A few short words that sums up the ridiculousness of Australia's current arrangement.

    All we have is ideological views from the left saying that 'we have renewable power, we can do it'. When of course the reality is completely different. (We of course can do some % renewable, but not the extent that some would suggest.)
  17. The_Brown_Hornet Michael Lynagh (62)

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    Things are on the improve at Fukushima, which is a relief.

    http://bravenewclimate.com/2011/03/21/fukushima-21-march-update/#more-4211

    So one of the biggest natural disasters in Japan's history and that 40 year old nuclear plant survived it. A testament to the engineering capabilities of the Japanese I think. Hats off to them. I have to remark on the absolutely hysterical reporting from the mainstream press. It's been terrible and I decided to stop following it and look for other, calmer sources of information. There really is nothing to be gained by scaring people to death. Of course, this puts the cause of nuclear energy back a few years until people forget about the fear they faced in the last week.
  18. Scotty David Codey (61)

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    Reading some of the reporting you could be forgiven if you didn't realise an earthquake and tsunami just occurred. Seemed to be all about the power station. Once again though I want to commend Peter Harvey for being part of the msm and speaking so strongly for nuclear.
  19. The_Brown_Hornet Michael Lynagh (62)

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