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NSW AAGPS 2019

Discussion in 'Schoolboy Rugby' started by SonnyDillWilliams, Aug 20, 2018.

  1. Balmain Subbies Sydney Middleton (9)

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    Blades was only offered a part time roll at Scots for 2019. Joey's were wise and offered a full time roll. Surely you know all this Joker
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  2. Joker Arch Winning (36)

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    Thought Blades was FT at Scots. Anyway, it will good to see how he fits into the Joeys system. First thing he will have to adjust to is the vastly less amount of money at his disposal. Joeys pays its external coaches $25 per hour. Scots pays $60+. This is why Joeys have a large number of young old boys coaching teams. There are 44 positions to fill and not all staff chose winter sports.
  3. Balmain Subbies Sydney Middleton (9)

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    I think you need to check those numbers. Not all coaches at Scots are getting anywhere near that amount. Check your facts first.
    In regards to Blades it is a big loss as head had been around the college since 98. But good luck to him and smart move by Joey's. Plenty of people at Scots are not thrilled by it.
  4. The Casual Observer Bob McCowan (2)

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    I can assure you the Scots coaches are not getting $60 per hour to coach junior teams. Joey's were already looking good for next year, but under the guidance of Bladesie they will go to another level as he is a very good operator who will implement some new systems currently lacking . He will be a big loss to Scots, but I know they wish him all the best a he is a good guy who deserves the opportunity to run a program.
  5. Joker Arch Winning (36)

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    Thank you for the correction (And Subbies as well) . I am going on what was paid to a mate's son. He was coaching in the senior school program.

    Blades will be an asset as my Bellevue buddies told me in the past. Joeys have never had a "program" as such but plenty of willing support from staff and old boys with some serious coaching experience. There are dads who coach for free who have had club, state and even international experiences. It is shame to see Blades go from Scots as the past few years he has done well. Five premierships is testament to this. Are there other changes in the coaching staff? Did Smith get another deal?
  6. The Casual Observer Bob McCowan (2)

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    The success of the Scots coaching program is more about the process as opposed to the personnel. There will be a few new coaches to replace departing coaches such as Bladesie, and after last years defeat at the death you can be assured Smith will be looking to stay one step ahead of the opposition next year.
  7. Joker Arch Winning (36)

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    From my analysis using SJC results as a benchmark, the Scots process (implemented I recall by M. Blackburn) seemed to show it was designed with only one team in mind. This saw most teams using a style that was being worked upon for the senior 1st and 2nd XV. The Scots program didn't seem to be having the same excellent results in the other grades and age groups as far as I could see. Why is this? I am stumped. Why is it that the 1st XV enjoyed such deserved success for five years and the younger year groups struggled against Joeys? It confused Joeys I know. Each year it seemed Joeys would beat TSC in the 2nd XV, 16A and 15A and then we still lost in the 1st XV. Why? (These theories are explored elsewhere)

    When my eldest son started in Joeys in 2011 the results I recall when Scots played Joeys seemed to have only the TSC 1st XV winning (many times I agree) and maybe two/three other teams. This year in the GPS round was much better with Scots winning approx a third of the games. (29 played. SJC won 20, TSC won 9) Most successful age group for Scots was the Under 13's and 14's (four wins in each grade) and the Scots 15C beating Joeys 15F. Scots won no games at all in the Opens and Under 16's (which saw Joeys score 359 points to Scots 26 across five games).

    Am I off track here? Happy to be corrected if Scots beat other schools easily. I do not have access to the TSC results archive.
  8. The Casual Observer Bob McCowan (2)

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    Scots is the only School that play's in there year group not age group, so for instance when the Scots 15 a's played Joeys this year Joeys had 5-6 year 10 boy's playing in the team and Scots had 2 15 year olds playing in the Centres in the 2nd XV, number 6,7,14 and 15 playing in the 16a's. This is repeated in all the younger age groups which means they get outmuscled in these years but those boy's are then better for it when they get to the opens.
    Joey's will beat most schools in the younger age groups as being predominantly boarders they spend 2 to 3 times more time with a ball in their hands as the opposition. When they get to the opens and everyone else spends the same amount of time training (maybe smarter) the tables can be turned.
  9. formerflanker John Solomon (38)

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    Is that because they moved to a training programme that largely takes place inside normal school hours, and therefore the year group academic timetable dictates when the year group does its rugby training?
  10. The Casual Observer Bob McCowan (2)

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    Yes they only have 4 fields to run the whole program (including the Prep School), so each year group will have one session in school time and one session after school. The focus therefor is on player development rather than results in the lower age groups. They get 2.5 hrs training per week with 1 hr of travel (if the council doesn't close the grounds, which it often does).
  11. Joker Arch Winning (36)

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    Wow. That is short on space. When I think about it you would have to rely on council good graces. Schools like Joeys, View and Kings are fortunate to have the space and "train in the rain" as the New Zealand mantra has been. When it rains at Joeys, the ground staff rarely close the fields due to the major money spent on drainage, even the back ovals at the School. Too often councils rob schools of valuable training and playing time as they don't want their precious patch of grass to be cut up. It is frustrating enough in club land to deal with this nonsense.
  12. RuggerFan1 Herbert Moran (7)

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    Joker stop talking out of your ass. I highly doubt your mates son ever worked at Scots.
  13. Joker Arch Winning (36)

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    He used to work by coaching rugby in the junior school. One session a week and Saturday. He used to work for a company called "AllSports" I think and he did two seasons there back a few years ago.
  14. Joker Arch Winning (36)

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    GPS Academic Premiership Table for 2018
    Position in state

    Sydney Grammar 3rd (up from 6th) selective but a stellar result

    Sydney Boys High 7th (down from 5th) selective and was expected

    Shore 22nd (up from 34th) Well done the Shoremen! Now just get that rugby right.

    Kings 41st (down from 32nd) Too much grazing, not enough studying. New Principal would be worried.

    Scots College 53rd (up from 77th) Great results! Principal must have given some academic scholarships for a change

    St Ignatius 61 (down from 46th) Big drop for the Lane Cove lads. Jesuits would not be happy

    St Joseph's College 79th (down from 77th) Maintains the level from best ever result in 2017. Rugby focused still.

    Newington College 98th (down from 88th) Do they need to focus on academic scholarships in 2019? EDIT- Newington's best do the IB. Hence this accounts for these results. Apologies to Newington folk.

    The Armidale School 177th (down from 166th) Sheep and cattle don't need algebra it seems
  15. Black & White Bob Loudon (25)

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    Joker, don't forget the impact the IB course has on student numbers at Newington. Almost a quarter of year 12, are dong the IB and this naturally bits into the HSC. Additionally, those students are the most talented and academic ones in year 12. If the IB Didn't exist at Newington, our HSC results would have been very different.

    Also, any HSC review needs to assessed against the total number of students a school has in its year group undertaking the HSC. For example I believe Joeys would have about 170 boys doing the HSC. But Knox Grammar might have somewhere between 300-350 boys for the HSC. twice the number so their results can be expected to be greater. The rankings are based on the raw scores and make no reference to year group sizes. I notices PLC Pymble did well. Like Knox they have about 300 students in year 12. In one subject they accounted for 9% of the candidates doing the HSC. Of course they are going to dominate the results. Equally, James Ruse have 7, 4 Unit Maths and Science classes. Hence, these numbers will ensure a vastly better outcome in the HSC rankings.
  16. southsider Arch Winning (36)

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    Yea to be fair any given year between 10-20 of the top students at Newington do IB
  17. Joker Arch Winning (36)

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    Makes perfect sense. A good mate of ours son did the IB at Newington three years ago and did well. Joeys has 190 kids in yr 12 only. They are the smallest of the GPS schools so considering this they punch ok. James Ruse also include all their yr 11 students doing HSC exams so that also inflates numbers. PLC have almost 280 girls in yr 12 I think.
  18. Balmain Subbies Sydney Middleton (9)

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    So I heard next year will be two rounds again. Can anyone confirm or deny?
  19. Quick Hands David Wilson (68)

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    I confess to not knowing that much about the IB, all I can do is observe that in 2017 60 boys at Newington completed the IB out of a Year group of @200. Of the 60, 48 boys (80%) scored an ATAR of over 90 which is a much higher score than the HSC contingent. On that basis, I would assume that if the two groups were combined that Newington would be much higher on the league table than 98th.

    https://www.newington.nsw.edu.au/stanmore/latest-results-ib/
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