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NSW Election 2011

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Elfster, Nov 23, 2010.

  1. The_Brown_Hornet Michael Lynagh (62)

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    Chief, I read the letter over at Crikey and it certainly was scathing. I always respected Keating, especially on economic issues. Didn't always like him, but I did respect him. I don't know much about this Robertson character, but I suspect he probably deserved it ;)
  2. sevenpointdropgoal Larry Dwyer (12)

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    I know it's a joke, and you've got a point, but I don't think it's the whole reason they lost. The Greens didn't get Marrickville, or Balmain, for a couple of reasons that go beyond (and, in some ways, contribute too) Liberal preferences. Statewide the Greens campaigned poorly, and failed to seize on a variety of moderate left issues which were important to the electorate. On top of this they ran former council members who are popular in the hard green movement, but have reputations as old school obstructionists (NSW planners absolutely hate Jamie Parker), and have very poor reputations in the wider community. Candidate choice was, I believe, one of the reasons the Libs rightly chose not to preference them in certain areas.

    Finally they were running against two very competent Labor incumbents who are largely untouched by the god awful, corrupt political quagmire that is the NSW Labor right. Both Verity Firth and Carmell Tebutt are clever, effective and careful members, who've done good political work. They've occasionally been given poison chalices by Sussex Street which have damaged their reputations, but they are known within the NSW public service as being two of the better candidates who ran this time around.

    It is very difficult to assess the effectiveness of lower house preferences deals, particularly in highly educated areas. There is no clear information to suggest how much influence how to vote cards have on the electorate, and attempts to quantify it are statistically fraught.

    As a side note; The Greens need to improve if they want to form a viable third party. It's not all their fault, as the anger with the government sent voters directly to the opposition, and disadvantaged anyone offering a left wing third option. The Federal association with Labor might also have disadvantaged them, but compromise is part of being a main stream party - they need to learn to campaign successfully on many different issues, and make multiple deals without linking themselves to a single situation. Their campaigning and candidate choice this election has shown they are lacking the political competency to offer this as yet. I await improvement.
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  3. sevenpointdropgoal Larry Dwyer (12)

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    I hope you are correct. I was at the NSW Lib party on Saturday, and there were a number of Young Libs in particular who didn't seem to think that was the case. In any case it was more those fringe dwellers leveraging the LC power the CDP have that concerned me. I like Barry (he is an excellent politician, a quality local member, and, in my very brief experience, a pleasure to deal with in a professional capacity), and I really hope he can keep a lid on the nutters.
  4. sevenpointdropgoal Larry Dwyer (12)

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    I can't really speak for this, except to say that I've never had a problem with it. The waterline covered is just under 40% of coast within the park, but I am not sure what access is like to the other ~60%. I generally fish from a little run-about while I am down there, though I have fished from ledges on multiple occasions and not been aware of a problem. Where exactly where you wanting to fish?

    I stress that all the science I've seen on the issue seems sound, but that the marine parks concept does has it's fair share of detractors, so I'm happy to look at any studies available on their effectiveness.

    (sorry for spamming the thread. the triple post is never good manners)
  5. Scarfman Knitter of the Scarf

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    Warning: science / rationality free zone: My family holiday at Currarong (the ocean side of Jervis Bay) and we love the absence of smelly powerboats with smelly fishermen on board. We fish off the jetty at Greenwell Point (OK, not very serious fishing, but still).

    In relation to the Greens - couldn't agree more with 7pt. I wrote to the local candidate who was (1) invisible, and (2) had no local issues in her policy bag - she pointed me to the NSW Greens website for their policies. Too many candidates were crap. Having said that, the new Liberal member was also a very crap candidate.
  6. RugbyFuture Lord Logo

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    the wonderful TVS chaired by the great Harold Mitchell may I add.

    also, I would like to point out that a party with sucha single agenda'd ideaology and policies should never, and will never become a viable political alternative and regulator. It just doesnt make sense, you need the policy of regulation to be fluid within the party - such as the democrats. :p

    sidenote: has balmain been declared yet?
  7. sevenpointdropgoal Larry Dwyer (12)

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    Not yet. ABC is showing ALP just ahead with ~70% counted.
  8. Lindommer Andrew Slack (58)

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    Balmain won't be declared until at least Thursday morning, postal votes received up until Wednesday night count. It's going to be very close, could go any of three ways. One would presume the Balmain basket weavers were smart enough to realise their preferences would count and numbered the whole ballot paper. How preferences flow in Balmain, God only knows.
  9. chief John Solomon (38)

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    Could be interesting, I don't think Labor will win it. Firth's campaign was very much ran on grassroots activism, I think either the Libs or the Greens will win it. Labor probably won't. Credit must be given to keep it this close.

    On a side note, it's not often you hear me complimenting Liberals. But the Coalition NSW Front Bench looks bloody good. Baird was a corporate banker. Berejilkian was a Comm Bank executive. The Attorney General, was the Deputy DPP, Jillian Skinner worked in the Public Service (very Senior position), Mike Gallacher (Police) worked for the Police and lectured in it. As Barbarian said, it looks like a pretty strong team.
  10. sevenpointdropgoal Larry Dwyer (12)

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    Pauline Hanson now looks set to take a seat in the Council (originally predicted to be a third for the Greens). That would mean that the Greens keep their count of 4 seats, Labor loses 5 (to go down to 14 seats), the Libs gain 4 (up to 19), the CDP gain 1 (up to 2), Hanson picks up a seat, and the Shooters stay steady on 2. That's quite a right wing balance of power.
  11. Scotty David Codey (61)

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    Just noticed the Hanson thing yesterday. It hadn't been picked up by the media yet at that stage.
  12. mark_s Chilla Wilson (44)

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    I think the greens results at the NSW election is partly a result of current federal issues re carbon tax and the delicate balance of power. In short, the main stream public paying more attention to them given they have come to more prominence since the last federal election and its no longer a safe protest vote. The independents NSW have suffered for the same reasons.
  13. Ash Michael Lynagh (62)

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    For those with a few minutes on their hands, I have some light reading for you. Just don't drink or eat anything as you read it, or it might end up on your monitor.


    I bet poor old Eddie still can't understand why the public hates them.

    If anyone is looking for a quote that sums up the article, outside of the irony-laden first paragraph, here it is (bolding for emphasis is mine):

  14. Elfster Jim Clark (26)

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    A classic.and I love some of the comments. The ALP really need a clean-out after this result. But, after Howard's loss in 2007 so too did the Liberal party. Yet all we eventually got was Abbott as the current leader and the resurrection of some of the "heavy hitters" like Bishop, Ruddock et al.

    I don't think either of the main political parties in Australia get it.
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  15. Bowside Peter Johnson (47)

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    I thought Paul Keating summed the problem up well on tonight's 7:30 report. At the moment NSW Labor are a party with no vision, more focused on winning elections than what to do if they win them.
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  16. Spewn Alex Ross (28)

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    Both parties are crap. Nobody gives a shit about the public. They're only interested in keeping their pitiful jobs. The sooner everybody realizes this the better. They might agitate for change. All politics is at the moment is selling brands. To believe otherwise is ignorance or at best wishful thinking.
  17. Moses Simon Poidevin (60)

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    What are the CDP about?

    I can see Shooters siding with the Libs on many issues (especially around smaller government),

    Is it 22 votes for a majority? Coalition should be able to get it on most issues you'd think. anything the greens agree with the shooters would almost definately oppose.

    Pauline is a dark horse. Who are these people who'd vote for an incompetent redneck bogan? Surely she didn't get any preferences..
  18. Ash Michael Lynagh (62)

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    CDP are Fred Nile's group. Enough said.
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  19. sevenpointdropgoal Larry Dwyer (12)

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    The CDP are basically a Christian Right party, similar, in some ways, to Family First. In recent years their most prominent campaigns have had to do with limiting adoption and IVF access, and allowing private religious schools to expel openly gay students. Fred Nile is also famous for praying for rain each year before the Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras (it's become something of a running joke amongst sections of the media around that time of year).
  20. Ash Michael Lynagh (62)

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    Last state election I numbered all senate boxes so that I could put Nile last. It felt good. Previously, Fred Nile has had another CDP member elected before, but he wasn't as extreme as Nile, and Nile kicked him out from the party in acrimonious circumstances. The whole thing was a Labor-like soap opera. Nile is a far right Christian nut bag. Hardline anti-gay, anti-abortion, anti-muslim (and atheists and other religions, actually really he's just pretty xenophobic), and so on. Oh, and he got busted for viewing porn at work, believe or not. Nile claimed it was just "research" by him and his staff. Apparently it was important and frequent research, because the porn had been accessed thousands of times. They also claimed most of it were "pop-ups".

    BTW, Sartor has responded to Obeid's bit of fiction:


    While Keating has a go (rightfully, though) at Robertson:


    Labor needs to implode more to get rid of the rats seeking to hold on, like Obeid, Robertson, etc etc.

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