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Poker Machine Pre-Commitment Law

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Cutter, Oct 30, 2011.

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Are you in favour of the mandatory pre-commitment plan to reduce problem gambling?

Poll closed Nov 6, 2011.
Yes 17 vote(s) 68.0%
No 8 vote(s) 32.0%
Don't know enough about it. 0 vote(s) 0.0%
  1. Jnor Peter Fenwicke (45)

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    Really interesting article in today's Age. Removing the feature from the machines seems a pretty logical way to go. Of course, if it is the most addictive part of a poker machine then there'll be howls of anger from the clubs if a proposal to remove them ever gets up.

    http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/the-key-to-helping-pokie-addicts-lies-in-lure-of-the-feature-20111109-1n7ar.html

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  2. Moses Simon Poidevin (60)

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    Great article Jnor, thanks for posting this.
    I was quite shocked when I got halfway through the article and he's done actual research. Kudos to Scott Eager, I hope he gets heard.
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  3. Cutter Nicholas Shehadie (39)

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    An interesting stat published in the smh today:

    That is huge.
  4. Ruggo Mark Ella (57)

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    Serously, is technology the answer to this problem? Looking at the modern day pokie machine it is fare to say it is part of the problem. It is discraceful that you play one by inserting an eftpos card or paper money into one to obtain credits. Surly a wind back of technology has to be the answer. Coins should be the only thing you can put into them. Plus any old Tom, Dick or Harry can go into a gaming area these days. A fairly respectable dress standard used to be on of the criteria to enter on in days gone passed.
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  5. Gagger Nick Farr-Jones (63)

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  6. waratahjesus Greg Davis (50)

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    Not surprised, but the breakdown would be interesting, I've heard it said that more than half the money out through crown casino is from Asian tourists. Would be hard to get a breakdown of actual Australians gambling and actual totals.
  7. Jnor Peter Fenwicke (45)

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    Saw that on the twitterz this morning. Even if a lot of it is tourist gambling I find it pretty difficult to comprehend those numbers when literally no-one I know would be near half of that. A more defined demographic split I'm sure would make interesting and probably depressing reading
  8. Bullrush Jim Lenehan (48)

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    Just from this line in the article, I'm guessing that they have actually taken the tourist gambling out of this already:

  9. waratahjesus Greg Davis (50)

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    There two big or at least well known casinos, I read it as they still didn't make it despite that.

    1300 er resident seems like a pretty high number. Not surprised were on top though, we have more access to it than most countries
  10. qwerty51 Jason Little (69)

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    didn't realise we had so many mugs
  11. Sully John Eales (66)

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    Yah we are the best losers in the world!
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  12. Cutter Nicholas Shehadie (39)

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    I worked in a club in Sydney when I was at Uni. Mostly it's clientelle was made up of professionals, stock brokers, businessmen etc but also the odd white collar worker with no tertiary qualifications.

    There were probably 100 really regular gamblers who came in. Of those, probably 30 were hard core and 15 super hard core. The 15 would easily drop $1,000 a week and sometimes per play (though they didn't play every day).

    I'm not surprised at the figures.
  13. Schadenfreude John Solomon (38)

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    Casinos are also good for laundering money.
  14. Gagger Nick Farr-Jones (63)

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    Are you implying that Australian casinos are in some way crooked?!?
  15. Moses Simon Poidevin (60)

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    Very true - put 9k in a pokie and there's no audit trail that you put it in. Take 9k out of a pokie and you get a receipt. Tax man asks and you won it.

    I don't think so, just that some of their customers are
  16. Schadenfreude John Solomon (38)

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    I wasn't limiting the scope of crookedness to just the casinos.
  17. Gagger Nick Farr-Jones (63)

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    What are the % returns from a pokie??
  18. I like to watch Simon Poidevin (60)

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    between 87% & 95% I think.
    If you are laundering cash, you don't need to actually play a line.
    just feed the notes in & hit the collect button.
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  19. Karl Bill McLean (32)

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    Those numbers DO surprise me. I would have said, if asked, that we would have been on par with or less than, say, the Yanks. I mean they have Vegas and the Indian Reservations etc for Casino's and a few other places, and LOADS of betting on Sports etc.

    Does it include Racetrack/TAB/Sporting bet type gambling?

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