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Discussion in 'Politics' started by Scotty, Feb 4, 2010.

  1. barbarian Nick Farr-Jones (63)

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    Abbott is many things, but he is no idiot. The guy was a Rhodes Scholar FFS. My problem with him is he is not Prime Ministerial in the slightest. This straight talking, know-where-you-stand stuff is OK for a while, but in the end cannot work for the highest office in the land. He is also prone to slip-ups at crucial times, much like on the 7.30 report recently. Yeah I want to have a beer with him, and by all accounts he is a nice guy, but I don't want him addressing the G20. I want someone who the world will listen to and respect, and not embarrass us. Thought Kevin fell just short, Julia is efficient but a political scragger, and our only truly prime ministerial politician sits on the Liberal back benches.
  2. matty_k Peter Johnson (47)

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    Absolutely. It is going to be hard for him (and the coalition) to character assassinate Gillard without appearing to be attacking women everywhere. They will only be able to attack policies which, for some reason, hard to do.

    Anyway if you want a good summary of what happened over the last 24 hours go here
    http://grogsgamut.blogspot.com/2010/06/on-qt-nothing-like-dull-news-day.html

    Also Rudd's speech in full
    http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/the-bustling-politician-who-mastered-everything-but-people-20100624-z3qu.html?autostart=1
  3. Scarfman Knitter of the Scarf

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    At least Therese and the boys can move back to BrisVegas. Although they were probably not expecting to leave the Lodge quite so soon.

    Where will Julia live? Sydney or the bush?
  4. Scarfman Knitter of the Scarf

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    Mate, it's almost City to Surf time again. I reckon Tony would be more worried about his 14km times.
  5. Scotty David Codey (61)

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    It was his way of pointing out to the Australian people that you can't trust the Labor party for two reasons:

    1. You don't know if they will keep the priminister going for whole term if the going gets tough
    2. You have to be concerned that it is being run by former union powerbrokers

    And of course both points are true.
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  6. Scotty David Codey (61)

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    I wholeheartedly agree with you Barbarian. Turnbull would be the best leader of this country. We need a leader who has been successful outside of politics, says what he thinks, is inspirational and stands somewhere in the centre.

    There are a lot more interesting things about this man, but a summary from wiki:

  7. DPK Peter Sullivan (51)

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    What d'you guys reckon about Hockey? I think he's got the goods, but not for the next election, perhaps the one after.
  8. matty_k Peter Johnson (47)

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    If the Liberals had of done this before the last election they might still be in power.

    Definitely a leader in the future. He is quite similar to Beazley (and I don't mean weight wise).
  9. Moses Simon Poidevin (60)

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    I thought Joe sounded pretty good, but since becoming my local member in a recent re-distribution he's done a few things to piss me off.

    He never responded to my question about Labor's stance on filtering the Internet, despite having sent me a letter welcoming me to his electorate and asking what issues were important to me. But much worse than that, from his twitter posts I strongly suspect he's a closet Queensland supporter!
  10. Scarfman Knitter of the Scarf

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    If I had to ave dinner with any current or recent party leader it would be Turnbull. But don't for a second think he was electable. People wouldn't even vote for his republic. Don't forget that your average voter is a ciomplete idiot and finds formal education and personal wealth a turn-off.
  11. Scotty David Codey (61)

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    Which is why we should be removing compulsory voting.
  12. chief John Solomon (38)

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    I disagree, of course its opinon. I think we should change our system from Preferential voting, to Mixed member proportional.
  13. Scotty David Codey (61)

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    Do you disagree for any particular reason?

    I agree with your suggested change to the system.
  14. chief John Solomon (38)

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    Oh sorry, I really should have explained.

    I just think we should be able to vote for our local candidate and have a separate vote for PM. As our Local MP represents our area's need. While the leader represents our country's needs. That's what's wrong with the current system we are currently voting for MP's who we don't actually know that much about and we are basing our vote on who the current leader is. It's not a vote for say the local ALP candidate against the local Liberal candidate, its Gillard v Abbott. Which I think is very much so a bullshit system.

    2 votes, one for your local area, and one for the leader. Say if someone likes the idea of Bill Shorten being part of parliament, but they don't like the idea of Gillard being PM, they should have that choice. Yes, it does open many loop holes, but I think its a better system if they can weave out those dilemmas.
  15. rugbywhisperer Banned

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    The Constitution doesn't mention the word Prime Minister at all so if you want that sort of change you will need to have a referrendum to ;
    a: have the position of Prime Minister entrenched into the formal framework of the Constitution and
    b: to have preference vote for him/her.
    I can think of at least 200 reasons why that a: isn't going to happen and b: shouldn't ever happen.
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  16. barbarian Nick Farr-Jones (63)

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    Well, you have defeated yourself with your own argument there. I really disagree with the notion that the average voter is a complete idiot, I think everyone follows politics a lot more than in other nations. Take Rudd's downfall, mainly caused by public outcry over the ETS, the mining tax, refugees amongst other stuff. It was public pressure that forced the challenge by Gillard, a grassroots movement against him and his failed policies. Another prime example is the republican debate- the main reason why it lost was a technicality, namely that the president would be elected by the parliament and not by the people. It wasnt because of Turnbull or Howard per se, rather the fine print of the vote. People were intelligent enough to realise this and smartly (in my view, anyway) voted no. Yeah there are idiots out there but voluntary voting wont fix that. There are just as many people who will blindly vote Liberal or Labor no matter what who are just as idiotic, but wont be weeded out by voluntary voting. In fact, they may dramatically increase their influence.
  17. RugbyFuture Lord Logo

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    as a catholic im confused how sucha right wing nutto fundamentalist as abott came out of a jesuit education
  18. matty_k Peter Johnson (47)

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    He took everything literally is my guess.

    Didn't he almost join the priesthood?
  19. mark_s Chilla Wilson (44)

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  20. Ruggo Mark Ella (57)

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    He is an idiot. That is what I think. Turnbull is the only lib to show some form of intelect at the moment.

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