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Recording Everyone's DNA

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Cave Dweller

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but they dont even know where to look - and its not a single gene which determines these things
Cancer begins in the.genes. For a cell to become cancerous usually three to seven different mutations must occur in a single cell. Genetic mutations may take many years to accumulate, but the convergence of mutations enables the cell to become cancerous.
 

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Mark Ella (57)
Acquired Immunodeficiency Syndrome (AIDS), human viral disease that ravages the immune system, undermining the body’s ability to defend itself from infection and disease. Caused by the human immunodeficiency virus(HIV)
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That is learned in school Cmon my friend


DNA and Cancer
Cancer begins in the genes, segments of the long, coiled molecule known as deoxyribonucleic acid (DNA). Genes govern the body’s development and specific characteristics by providing critical instructions that trigger the production of proteins within the body. In cancer, certain genes fail to perform their jobs correctly. This computer-generated model shows two strands of deoxyribonucleic acid (DNA) and its double-helical structure.
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If you read you will see the word DNA fingerprinting. I suggest you go look up what that is.

First Cave this thread is about DNA sequencing. AIDS is a syndrome of multiple diseases which are found (some only very rarely) in patients who do not have a HIV infection. If you wish to comment about people being discriminated against on the basis of HIV status by all means do so. DNA sequencing has nothing to do with a person's HIV status. Again your original post repeatedly referred to the "AIDS Virus".

As for cancers your explanantion is so symplistic as to be trivial. The causation of Cancers is very diverse and yes in does ultimately lie in mutations in the Genome. The issue is that in most instances those mutation are unknown. Again this thread is about DNA sequencing and specifically the risks associated to individuals from a State recording every person's. Now consider that the vast majority of cancers actually result from external factors such as smoking, asbestosis, radiation, UV exposure etc etc etc. Given that all cancers are charectised by the non-differentiation of the effected cells and the failure of those cells to perform many of their normal functions and in most cases the the unrestrained replication of themselves identically and (a part I have always found most interesting) many cancer cells are for all intents immortal, that is they do not deteriorate as they would in their unmutated state.
 
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First Cave this thread is about DNA sequencing. AIDS is a syndrome of multiple diseases which are found (some only very rarely) in patients who do not have a HIV infection. If you wish to comment about people being discriminated against on the basis of HIV status by all means do so. DNA sequencing has nothing to do with a person's HIV status. Again your original post repeatedly referred to the "AIDS Virus".

As for cancers your explanantion is so symplistic as to be trivial. The causation of Cancers is very diverse and yes in does ultimately lie in mutations in the Genome. The issue is that in most instances those mutation are unknown. Again this thread is about DNA sequencing and specifically the risks associated to individuals from a State recording every person's. Now consider that the vast majority of cancers actually result from external factors such as smoking, asbestosis, radiation, UV exposure etc etc etc. Given that all cancers are charectised by the non-differentiation of the effected cells and the failure of those cells to perform many of their normal functions and in most cases the the unrestrained replication of themselves identically and (a part I have always found most interesting) many cancer cells are for all intents immortal, that is they do not deteriorate as they would in their unmutated state.
Let me explain it to you like this. If they need to do DNA sequencing they need DNA fingerprinting to do that. That means have everyones DNA in a database. That is already been done by the UK and the US. The FBI has a database. The more markers you use the more accurate it is. The US was using 13 last time I checked and the UK 10. That means with 10 markers there is 1 out 1 billion chance in that in that race group that someone else has that same DNA. 15 markers they say is to have a unique DNA print.

Lets get back to your AIDS thing. What causes AIDS? AIDS is caused by a virus called HIV.When HIV enters the blood streams a person may become infected with it. When this happens,a person is said to be HIV positive meaning that the presence of the virus has been detected within the body. AIDS the cause of a HIV infection. In short AIDS is the most severe acceleration of infection with HIV. How do you think they ID the virus? With DNA sequencing. Do not see where you going with this.

Drugs that bind to nucleic acids, blocking transcription and replication, are important in the treatment of cancer and AIDS-related diseases. Drugs of clinical importance act by several mechanisms: alkylating agents, such as nitrogen mustard and nitrosoureas, and platinum coordination complexes, such as cisplatin, form cross-links in DNA; anthracycline antibiotics, such as daunorubicin and doxorubicin, intercalate in double-stranded DNA; iron-chelating antibiotics, such as bleomycin, fragment DNA; and groove-binding drugs, such as pentamidine, bind in the minor groove of DNA. These drugs show limited sequence specificity and bind to many sites in a typical genome, leading to harmful side effects. Recently, the search for new chemotherapeutic agents has shifted to molecules designed to target a given DNA sequence in a pathogenic organism or neoplastic cell. Polyamide molecules such as netropsin, distamycin, and their imidazole-containing synthetic derivatives, known as lexitropsins, can bind DNA in a sequence-specific manner in a 2:1 polyamide–DNA stoichiometry (refs. 1–3 and M. L. Kopka, D.S.G., and R.E.D., unpublished work). In this mode, the two molecules bind side-by-side, enabling each molecule to recognize its own strand of DNA.
http://www.pnas.org/content/94/11/5634.full.pdf

What societal issues are associated with DNA profiling?
Concerns expressed by society are that DNA profiling may violatean individual’s genetic privacy, revealing knowledge – such as disease susceptibilities, behavioral traits, paternity – that the person may not want to know, or have others, such as relatives, employers, insurance companies, know. However, a DNA profile, derived for forensic purposes, reveals nothing about an individual’s genetic makeup and DNA samples are destroyed after conviction. A second fear relates to the accuracy of the profiling and the chances of error resulting in wrongful conviction. Many arguments have been presented by both sides but it is interesting to note that in 2007, Jerry Miller was the 200th person in USA to be exonerated based on DNA profiling – technology not available at the time of his trial- after he had served 25 years for a rape that he did not commit. Ethically, the discussion centres on a balance between the rights of the individual and the rights of society. Williamson and Duncan (2002) argue there are only two fair possibilities for DNA profiling: everyone or no one. If one purpose of a DNA database is to deter crime, why not profile everyone? if so, when? At birth, at the age of consent? The cost of testing the entire population also needs to be taken into consideration. If samples are taken only from convicted offenders, there are concerns that some groups will be over-represented in the criminal intelligence database (social and racial inequality). Interrogating the database is likely to score more hits within these groups perpetuating the situation. Furthermore, if providing a sample for DNA analysis is voluntary but a suspect refuses to give a sample, the assumption is the person has something to hide.
http://dnaproject.co.za/pdf/DNA PROFILING FACT SHEET.pdf

Development of cancer may result from inherited mutations in the germ line or from changes in DNA sequences arising in somatic tissues during life. These mutations may abnormally enhance the function of protooncogenes, or erase effects of the tumor suppressor gene (TSG) products [47, 86]. Carcinogenesis can also result from aberrations of genomic DNA methylation that include hypermethylation and hypomethylation of promoter or first exon of cancer-related genes.
http://fhc.amb.edu.pl/archives/fulltxt/vol44/44_3/Luczak.pdf
 

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Mark Ella (57)
Let me explain it to you like this. If they need to do DNA sequencing they need DNA fingerprinting to do that. Two different things, sequencing is the total examination and mapping of a persons genome. Fingerprinting (in relation to people) is the means to ID people by looking at certain markers. That means have everyones DNA in a database. That is already been done by the UK and the US. Its hasn't . The FBI has a database. For certain types criminals and it is is Oz as well. The more markers you use the more accurate it is. The US was using 13 last time I checked and the UK 10 For basic ID. This is matching and totally different to sequencing and the numbers used are in part determined historically by what the courts have deemed as acceptable. That means with 10 markers there is 1 out 1 billion chance in that in that race group that someone else has that same DNA. 15 markers they say is to have a unique DNA print.

Lets get back to your AIDS thing. What causes AIDS? AIDS is caused by a virus called HIV.When HIV enters the blood streams a person may become infected with it. When this happens,a person is said to be HIV positive meaning that the presence of the virus has been detected within the body. AIDS the cause of a HIV infection. AIDS is the result of HIV infection. A patient make present with diseases which form part of the AIDS sydrome but not be HIV positive. In short AIDS is the most severe acceleration of infection with HIV. How do you think they ID the virus? Diagnosis of HIV infection is done most usually by testing for the presence of Antibodies to HIV and this can be done by a variety of methods. An antigen (P24) test may also be completed. The only clinical situation in which the genetic material of the HIV is tested for is in new borns where the mother is HIV positive as they can retain antibodies from the mother for up to 6 weeks which will give false positives. In these cases PCR (Polymerase Chain Reaction) is used to detect for HIV DNA markers in much the same way as fingerprinting works. This is not sequencing. With DNA sequencing. Do not see where you going with this.


http://www.pnas.org/content/94/11/5634.full.pdf


http://dnaproject.co.za/pdf/DNA PROFILING FACT SHEET.pdf


http://fhc.amb.edu.pl/archives/fulltxt/vol44/44_3/Luczak.pdf

My last word, with my help this thread has been highjacked from its intent.
 
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Cave Dweller

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My last word, with my help this thread has been highjacked from its intent.
Two different things, sequencing is the total examination and mapping of a persons genome. Fingerprinting (in relation to people) is the means to ID people by looking at certain markers.
How do you identify sequences in DNA?
http://www.wpi.edu/Pubs/E-project/Available/E-project-082207-134518/unrestricted/IQP.pdf

Its hasn't
The National DNA Database® helpdesk on 0121 606 2950.

For basic ID. This is matching and totally different to sequencing and the numbers used are in part determined historically by what the courts have deemed as acceptable
DNA is found in two different parts of each cell - the nucleus and the mitochondria
http://www.wpi.edu/Pubs/E-project/Available/E-project-082207-134518/unrestricted/IQP.pdf

The computerized DNA profiles held in DNA databases are a string of numbers based on specific areas of each individual’s DNA, known as short tandem repeats (STRs). However, some countries also retain the biological samples collected from individuals, linked to their record on the computer database by a reference number. A person’s DNA sample contains additional private information about their health and other physical characteristics. Some of this information (such as carrier status for a genetic disorder) may be highly sensitive and/or unknown to the individual. Health information can currently only be gleaned from biological samples by undertaking additional genetic analysis of stored samples, not from the DNA profiles themselves.
You give blood. They can check all kinds of things with it
http://www.councilforresponsiblegenetics.org/pageDocuments/PDAFXSTDPX.pdf


HIV infection is done most usually by testing for the presence of Antibodies to HIV and this can be done by a variety of methods. An antigen (P24) test may also be completed. The only clinical situation in which the genetic material of the HIV is tested for is in new borns where the mother is HIV positive as they can retain antibodies from the mother for up to 6 weeks which will give false positives. In these cases PCR (Polymerase Chain Reaction) is used to detect for HIV DNA markers in much the same way as fingerprinting works. This is not sequencing.
Microsatellite Analysis
Microsatellite or short tandem repeat (STR) analysis is offered by the CFAR DNA Sequencing Facility using an ABI 3130xl Genetic Analyzer and GeneMapper software. STR analyses are performed by the core primarily for individual identification. Because the number of these STRs varies within a given population, it is possible to identify individuals by analyzing several different STR loci. For instance, the core has used microsatellite analysis effectively to determine if cases of HIV-1 superinfection of the same patient with more than one virus were real or the result of sample contamination.
http://www.uabcfar.org/dnasequency.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC330471/pdf/nar00189-0208.pdf
 

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Nick Farr-Jones (63)
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Serious for a minute..

It's always impressive how any politician of any flavour goes from libertarian to big brother within seconds of making office. Those on the right abandon their anti "big government" stance, and those on the left soon see every "little guy" as a potential terrorist.

Clearly either they get sucked into the security machinery self-serving paranoia, or are willing to throw away human rights in order to lower the chance of a fuckup on their watch - at all costs.

One of the biggest evils of Sept 11
 
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