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Nev Cottrell (35)
I pointed that out a couple of pages ago. No one seems to care.
Gets in the way of the witch hunt Sully!

Some mitigation this year (Simmons, JOC (James O'Connor)) but there is just too much carnage for the old excuse of bad luck. Plus it's not the first year S&C has looked below par.
 

Sully

Tim Horan (67)
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You will have to explain how the concussions and broken bones were the S&C's fault then. Since you've only ruled two out of your list. I'm especially interested in how hendrike Tua is their fault.
 

Gnostic

Mark Ella (57)
I pointed that out a couple of pages ago. No one seems to care.

Why is it the top sides can have reserves, or reserves of the reserves step into fill similar injury tolls and they fill the holes, in terms of fitness, though perhaps not to the level of skill sets. I am thinking here of sides like the Chiefs, Canes and Saders. They rest or are missing their front line players and they do not change their mode of play or suffer great detriment in terms of performance.

I do not accept that their players are the descendants of Rugby gods and are therefore naturally gifted to step up. So many of our players, and especially the youth at the Reds, are very highly gifted, they have never lived up to their potential. Now in this we come back to the S&C points, how many of those gifted youths have spent most of their senior careers thus far injured? Why? The bad luck reason only goes so far when you consider the injured youth that was Rob Horne who after intervention has been uninjured in 3 years?
 

cyclopath

George Smith (75)
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My point about the S&C stuff is really only partly to do with preventing injuries, or minimising them. Obviously plenty of injuries just happen in a high contact, hard collision sport, but the ability to execute a game plan for longer while maintaining structure is another benefit, also bringing reserves on who can just keep the pace going. We've seen plenty of teams in the past 10 years that get rolled over in the last 20-30 minutes of matches, not least of all the Wallabies. At least with the Tahs in the past 18-24 months, the second half has become mainly a strength whereas it was not always so.
It's a piece of the puzzle.
 
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You will have to explain how the concussions and broken bones were the S&C's fault then. Since you've only ruled two out of your list. I'm especially interested in how hendrike Tua is their fault.

I also pointed out that these injuries aside the Reds still had a high injury list.. Reds aren't the only team to suffer from broken bones and concussions, reds injury list has been in the top 2 of super rugby even if you remove all broken bones, concussions and injuries received in test rugby.


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Ignoto

John Thornett (49)
Some mitigation this year (Simmons, JOC (James O'Connor)) but there is just too much carnage for the old excuse of bad luck. Plus it's not the first year S&C has looked below par.


So who does the S&C/admin team report to then? Is it the board/QRU i.e. his employer or his Graham ultimately the executioner?

I know first hand that S&C coaches have KPI's that must be met. For example, with Netball, the S&C's goal is to keep knee reconstructions/ACL tears etc down to one a season. With such small squads, the Netball teams put the onus on the S&C guys to ensure the squad is kept intact all season long. If they see re-occurring themes, the guy is replaced.

There's a lot of injuries that are out of the coaching teams control ie Kev's webbing, Simmons, head knocks etc. But the onus of signing players like JOC (James O'Connor) and Tui who haven't had a proper preseason or down time and expecting them to be fresh/injury free is on the coaches. Look across the dutch where players were granted sabbaticals, they spent a considerable team on the side lines the following super season.

So, excusing the lack of a proper S&C, the recruitment this season leaves a lot to be desired and we've seen first hand there wasn't a fall back plan for Cooper going down. I can't say my bosses would allow any excuses to fly if I didn't have any redundancies in my place of work.
 
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People highlight JOC (James O'Connor) as been outside of S&C control, yet he was selected when even by his own admission he wasn't 100% fit and was subsequently reinjured.


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Mark Ella (57)
It seems that S&Cs need to have the team exceptionally fit at the start of the season - then a fair bit of luck is involved.

A Mental Coach needs to be employed to train the mind, keep young stars grounded & focussed, older stars focussed.
 

Gnostic

Mark Ella (57)
A mental coach isn't needed. Just a good head coach


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Pun unintended I'm sure, but the ABs have had a sports psychologist Gilbert Enoka on staff for quite a few years now and IIRC McCaw attributed a lot to him.

http://www.leadersinsport.com/insight/performance/247/sir-graham-henry-new-zealand-all-blacks/

I would like to see a group of specialist coachs at ARU level consulting with all the Super sides to improve the players in technical areas.

Scrum, kicking (hand and tee) and psychology just to start.
 

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David Codey (61)
People highlight JOC (James O'Connor) as been outside of S&C control, yet he was selected when even by his own admission he wasn't 100% fit and was subsequently reinjured.


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True,but Graham is not the only coach selecting players that are not 100% fit.
I would be surprised if every team did not have at least one player in that category every week.

I would be sacking him for other things like recruitment/squad balance and tactics(or lack of).
 

fatprop

George Gregan (70)
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True,but Graham is not the only coach selecting players that are not 100% fit.
I would be surprised if every team did not have at least one player in that category every week.

I would be sacking him for other things like recruitment/squad balance and tactics(or lack of).


Yeah, selecting half fit units is a minor issue up there when compared to having no visible game plan
 

hammertimethere

Trevor Allan (34)
What I've taken from the above is that there are deep, institutional issues at the Reds, many and varied.

The level of ability in the squad is not an issue, most everything else is.
 

Strewthcobber

Mark Ella (57)
What I've taken from it is that Richard Graham is now at the stage where hes going to cop the blame for everything that goes wrong even if it's not particularly his fault.

Once you've reached that stage you may as well leave.
 

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Tony Shaw (54)
- QRU Chairman confirms no change to coach this season....says man-managers are thin on the ground
- John Connolly may be brought in to assist team as 'technical adviser'
- RG: 'we came within one point of turning our season around'
- QRU confirms approach to Brad Thorn for 2016 as player/coach support/mentor


John Connolly may be brought in as Reds’ technical adviser
NEWS LIMITED MARCH 30, 2015
Wayne Smith

Queensland Rugby Union chairman Rod McCall has confirmed Reds coach Richard Graham’s job is safe until the end of the season — but possibly with former Wallabies coach John Connolly being brought in as his technical adviser.

The Reds’ season went from bad to worse on Friday night when the Lions snatched an 18-17 victory at Suncorp Stadium to send the Queensland side to its fifth defeat in six matches this season.

Under Graham, the Reds have won only six of 22 matches and it is understood a number of QRU board members are concerned that unless a change of coach is made soon, next year’s Super Rugby campaign could just be a grim repeat of 2014 and 2015.

McCall, however, is remaining steadfast in his support of Graham.

“I can guarantee you we won’t change the coach this season,” McCall told The Australian yesterday. That said, he did not rule out bringing in outside expertise to help Graham through the remaining 10 matches this season.

“Nothing is out of the question,” McCall said. “We’re looking at everything.”

Defending his decision not to change coaches mid-season, McCall suggested that man-managers of the calibre of Connolly were thin on the ground.

But in fact, Connolly, who had a 64 per cent win ratio as Australian coach — making him the most successful Wallabies coach of the professional era behind Rod Macqueen (79 per cent) — is in fact on the ground on the Sunshine Coast.

Connolly coached Queensland for more than 220 games from 1989, winning back to back Super 10 titles in 1994 and 1995, before taking up a job at Stade Francais in 2000. He arrived in Paris mid-season but 12 weeks later was waving to crowds lining the Champs Elysee from atop an open bus after coaching the team to the French premiership. The following season he took Stade to the Heineken Cup final. Switching to Bath, he was named Zurich Premiership coach of the year in 2003-04.

McCall confirmed an approach had been made to Leicester-based All Blacks great and former Broncos NRL player Brad Thorn about a mentoring and a coaching role with the Reds next year.

Asked yesterday whether he would welcome any outside assistance, Graham replied: “We’re always looking at ways we can improve. But on Friday we were one point away from getting our season back on track.”

It’s unnerving to think that the easiest part of the season is behind the Reds, who now play three games on the road against the Rebels in Melbourne, Bulls in Pretoria and Cheetahs in Bloemfontein before returning to Brisbane to play the unbeaten Hurricanes.

Two key players, fullback Karmichael Hunt and flanker Liam Gill, will return from suspension in time for Friday’s match against the Rebels although it’s unclear whether Hunt will be rushed into the starting team.

Hopes Hendrick Tui, the NZ-born Japanese Test recruit, might soon make his first appearance have been dashed with Graham revealing the rugged No 8’s recovery from a broken fibula is not fast enough for him to be considered for the South African tour.
 

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Tony Shaw (54)
^^^ Re the story above from today's The Australian, quoting Mc Call etc.

The appearance is one of the QRU flailing around with the most critical requirement being to not ever, under any circumstances, admit to the fans and public that a massive blunder of major proportions was made re the hiring (and indeed sustained retention) of Graham.

We now have in process:

- a 'major review' of the QRU/Reds High Performance Unit
- the possibility of drafting J Connolly in to assist RG (IMO, an extraordinary move, why not just replace RG with Connolly as caretaker until a new HC is found)
- attempts to have Brad Thorn come to the Reds in 2016 in some form of semi-coaching role
- and 'we're looking at everything' from the QRU Chairman

The golden time of 2010-11 is looking more and more like a 'oncer' based as much on luck as good judgement. The QRU as it is now increasingly appears unable to build an institution of quality that can sustain and repeat the success of just one relatively short and fleeting period.
 

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Mark Ella (57)
^^^ Re the story above from today's The Australian above, quoting Mc Call etc.

The appearance is one of the QRU flailing around with the most critical requirement being to not ever, under any circumstances, admit to the fans and public that a massive blunder of major proportions was made re the hiring (and indeed sustained retention) of Graham.

We now have in process:

- a 'major review' of the QRU/Reds High Performance Unit
- the possibility of drafting J Connolly in to assist RG (IMO, an extraordinary move, why not just replace RG with Connolly as caretaker until a new HC is found)
- attempts to have Brad Thorn come to the Reds in 2016 in some form of semi-coaching role
- and 'we're looking at everything' from the QRU Chairman

The golden time of 2010-11 is looking more and more like a 'oncer' based as much on luck as good judgement. The QRU as it is now increasingly appears unable to build an institution of quality that can sustain and repeat the success of just one relatively short and fleeting period.

The answer is in your first paragraph. Connolly's inclusion would in practice most likely relegate RG to an assistant role instituting the plan and instructions of Connolly.

We have not heard anything about replacements of the coaching positions recently vacated. Interesting considering the S&C discussion we have been having here.
 
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