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John Hipwell (52)
I don't actually think anyone is getting ahead of themselves after one win. Maybe RG but let's not make it about him. The fans are rightfully happy to get a solid win in what to date has been a dreary season. Give us our 5 minutes of happiness until we need to worry about next week. Trust me, we will be. Too many questions left unanswered. I might just look forward to it a little bit more though.

Come on you Sharkies, do your worst you hacks.
 

RedsHappy

Tony Shaw (54)
at the risk of sounding pro-graham.

imagine if reds went on to win every game from here on out with this coaching combo - what do we do then?

(but by the same token, continually playing players out of position is a big no no, and not learning and adjusting from previous mistakes is also a big no no, probably enough to justify scrapping him even if we do get good results from here on)

Be fucking smart for once in 3 years. Just keep one of them.

Keep Knuckles for all (or most) of 2016 whilst a proper, considered and patient search is conducted for RG's long overdue replacement.

This is the beauty of the whole Knuckles scenario: it permits a sound way to commence the re-building a new, far better Reds whilst not risking a Graham Mk II disaster with a too-hastily chosen new coach. Or picking another 'Queensland rugby mate' credentialed more by network love than proven competence in winning in the modern game.

And I hope this sensible scenario is just what the more enlightened members of the QRU board had in mind in bringing Knuckles in.
 

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Ken Catchpole (46)
Sneaky word that on Monday staff meeting RG (the man with the last word apparently) declared that JOC (James O'Connor) was going to move into FH with Hunt returning for the match.....

'Consultant' JC countered with a 'well that's not happening'.
 
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Train Without a Station

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For all those saying why didn't Sam Greene get used, I think last night's game showed. Was good in defence but appeared a little over awed in attack and lost the ball in contact one of the few times he touched it.

Also anybody who thinks McIntyre was the catalyst for that improvement paid zero attention to the 14 players around him. Frisby would have looked like an improved player last night also.
 

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Tony Shaw (54)
For all those saying why didn't Sam Greene get used, I think last night's game showed. Was good in defence but appeared a little over awed in attack and lost the ball in contact one of the few times he touched it.

Also anybody who thinks McIntyre was the catalyst for that improvement paid zero attention to the 14 players around him. Frisby would have looked like an improved player last night also.

Geez, that's very harsh on Greene - 'here's the reason he wasn't used before'. He was there for all of 9 minutes and the Reds did not have large periods within that of attacking ball.

Very, very few young players on debut wouldn't have some nerves and swerves to start with. QC (Quade Cooper) in his very early days with the Reds was notoriously erratic.

Of course, I am not suggesting those 9 minutes proved Greene a wonderful Reds 10 in the making, rather I do sense TWAS this post is moreover for you about your somewhat stubbornly held theory that RG was an 'astute recruiter and yet has really had no credible options at 10 all of 2015'.

The near-universal view everywhere I've looked is that McIntyre was, for a debutant, very solid at 10 (bar his kicking game) and that his native skills in that position made a big difference to the Reds' coherence and stability on attack. I respect of course that you seem to differ on this somewhat.
 

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John Solomon (38)
The wholesale substitutions at ~72 mins made the last 8 mins very ordinary for the reds. There must have been 5 in about a minute and the Rebels comeback from there seemed inconsequential.

To be far to Greene that was a pretty tough time to shine. McIntyre looked a little nervous in his first moments too, but he had the chance to play into the game.

It was notable that McIntyre kept popping up in the right places. He found a good depth of Genia (easier when the pack were on top), followed Hunt for an inside ball, and turned up at the right time in defence.

Oh, and at the ground it looked like Gill should have been wearing a cape and his underpants on the outside.
 

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John Thornett (49)
Gill off to the Rebels?

Btw: does anyone think Liam Gill would be tempted to go to the Rebels as he very clearly is - making a huge loss to the Reds - if our coaching and thus chronic losing-ness was not a major factor in that?

Read the player's own words, very revealing:

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2015/05/16/gill-admits-rebels-interest-real
Hearing from people around Gilly, it's an issue with Graham. Basically if Graham stays, Gill will almost definately be in Melbourne next season.

The bloke is a machine, and would be the starting international 7 in any country except NZ & Aus.
 
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Train Without a Station

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Geez, that's very harsh on Greene - 'here's the reason he wasn't used before'. He was there for all of 9 minutes and the Reds did not have large periods within that of attacking ball.

Very, very few young players on debut wouldn't have some nerves and swerves to start with. QC (Quade Cooper) in his very early days with the Reds was notoriously erratic.

Of course, I am not suggesting those 9 minutes proved Greene a wonderful Reds 10 in the making, rather I do sense TWAS this post is moreover for you about your somewhat stubbornly held theory that RG was an 'astute recruiter and yet has really had no credible options at 10 all of 2015'.

The near-universal view everywhere I've looked is that McIntyre was, for a debutant, very solid at 10 (bar his kicking game) and that his native skills in that position made a big difference to the Reds' coherence and stability on attack. I respect of course that you seem to differ on this somewhat.

Greene was the 3rd specialist 10, with 2 other options preferred in Hunt and JOC (James O'Connor) prior. No team has more than 2 specialist 10 options who do not play another position.

This is nothing about the recruitment.

More so the view that a club 10 would be better than a player out of position and the risk of a player out of their depth. Quade Cooper is the perfect example of this. How much benefit did we see from him in 2007 and 2008?

I'd love to see Greene get plenty or NRC time this year to develop further.
 

Jets

Paul McLean (56)
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I think McIntyer was very good at 10 for his first game. Made a few errors but had the chance to play himself into the game. Greene will be much better for his time on the filed but he was on a hiding to nothing with all the changes made and the game already won.

Genia also had a great game that helped those around him too.

I also thought CFS was really good. Was incredibly busy for a guy who has led pled disinterested in games.

One guy who I thought was still well below par was Horwill. I can't see him getting another Wallabies cap if his form continues.


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Jim Clark (26)
CFS showing glimpses of what he could become, never looked like not scoring that try. There was also one phase on the right where he got involved about three or four times making 20+ meters in the thick of it
 

Jets

Paul McLean (56)
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I'd be very happy with the same backline this weekend with Quade the only chance of making a change.



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TOCC

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Quade hasn't started contact training yet, I don't think he will be ready this weekend.. Maybe next round..

I hope they don't rush him back either, that's a large reason he was injured again to start with... Yeah his injury might have been fully healed, but it takes a while for the biomechanics of your body to react.. Your body knows how to protect itself and when it has an injury the surrounding area will tense up, you will change the way you move, walk and tackle as to not place unnecessary pressure on the injury.. Your body will overcompensate and place a higher workload on another part of your body.. That IMO is how Quade injured his scapula.

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TOCC

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You know it was the other shoulder that he broke don't you?

Yep that's the point I raised in the biomechanics and overcompensation.. It actually has a name in 'trauma reflex'. Your injured side of the body might be good to go, but the uninjured side which has learnt to overcompensate and take up the slack is still in a more heightened and tense state, which is good for rehab but not good for impact sports . It's more prevalent and obvious in lower limb injuries but still relevant to upper body injuries and rehabilitation...

Maybe it was purely a coincidence, but studies do indicate that trauma reflex can play a big part in injuring the opposing side of the body when coming back from injury.. Its not just opposing sides, if someone injures an ankle it has direct correlation to subsequent back and hip injuries..

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Peter Fenwicke (45)
My head STILL bloody hurts from Friday night,



…and that's about all I've got to contribute right now.
 

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Greg Davis (50)
There's a lot to say about last night, both good and bad..

But one player I was very impressed with was CFS, I've been critical of his lazy play all season but last night his work-rate was impressive, some really good runs and good support play..


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remember to consider the entire season. He was very good this week but when it comes to retaining players you have to consider the entire season.

If we demand this when it comes to coaches then we need to demand it from players.

Just like last night by itself should not influence the futere of CFS we need to be assured that a one off win will not save RG
 
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