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Renewable energy

Discussion in 'Politics' started by boyo, May 12, 2014.

  1. Gnostic Mark Ella (57)

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    The idea was a very good one, but is the best example of what has been wrong with Labour since Hawke/Keating, their implementation of policy is just absolutely woeful.

    NBN great idea, woeful execution and management.

    etc etc etc.
  2. Runner Nev Cottrell (35)

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    Nice way to smire his achievements in life.

    Interesting that the RET which causes electricity to all to rise so we can have a subsidy.

    But suggest a co-payment to subsidies medical research and how things change.

    Billions spent achieveing nothing in global terms and we want more.
  3. Sully John Eales (66)

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    This post is not what we are looking for in this forum. It's bought nothing to the conversation and is designed to be arguementative and provoke a response and nothing more. It then goes off topic in an attempt to garner a political response.
    We have had many discussions about the tone of these topics and this type of post is part of the problem. please modify your behavour.

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  4. Runner Nev Cottrell (35)

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    Dick Warburton is a climate-change sceptic, a former CEO of Caltex, and a fossil-fuel lobbyist, who says that his views didn't influence the conclusions of his report.

    Is it April 1?

    So this is what I comment upon and I am at fault.

    I have had numerous comments made at me, about where I post how much I post so a rebuke is issued to me.

    The subsidy is mentioned in the article posted and I simply posse the question why is one OK and one not?
  5. Sully John Eales (66)

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    Runner. We are cleaning up these topics. You can either get on board and modify your behaviour or you can continue with what you have been doing and take the points that come your way. The choice is yours.
    The Mods are reading these topics again and we expect the same standards here as the rest of the site.

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  6. cyclopath Phil Waugh (73)

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    Indeed we are.
    Ignoring the fact that I have no idea what "smiring" is, the rest of your post is off topic, and as Sully says, adds nothing but pointless gainsay and misdirection - you'll note I don't call it argument, Runner.
    The political threads have become mired in largely meaningless point-scoring, with little rational debate occurring. The feedback to us has been, to say the least, overwhelmingly negative - i.e. most people will not bother to post due to the nature of these threads.
    If you have an on-topic, relevant and non-personal point to make, then make it (and this applies to EVERYONE); if you want to have an endless snipe-fest over the same points ad nauseam, then DON'T, but respect our rules and move on. If you cannot get this, you will get a rest.
    The tolerance is set to zero - and this applies to everyone.
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  7. Pfitzy Tim Horan (67)

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    This is where we sit in the era of professional politics: point scoring and seeking nothing but public approval.

    All these "schemes" are set up to inject some goodwill into the ecosystem and make the recipients (who save capital cost) think the PM isn't such a bad bloke after all. The fact that it has money-saving AND environmental concerns is also a bonus for political circle-jerking.

    The problem of course is you create a battery of these things that emerge, flourish, and then die quickly as the funding dries up. The lack of forethought fails to anticipate the true cost, the government scales back the $$$ and next thing you know, all those jobs you "created" fall as if shot. Mostly affected are young people who can be brought in as cheap labour with no training (often with fatal results as has been seen).

    So when you combine youth employment with short-term schemes, is it any wonder you get the highest youth under employment figure for 40 years?

    These aren't "schemes" - they're "scams".

    What we SHOULD be doing is helping people find meaningful jobs e.g.

    Research & Development - those who wish to be educated and can help drive innovation, particularly in the sciences which are going to help save the planet.

    Technical production - engineers and tech specialists who will put the ideas and innovation into practice

    Manual labour - ultimately all this stuff has to be implemented somehow, and the people doing everything supported and maintained. I think the search for profit over all else will reduce these jobs to menial AI and other machines, which is a genuine shame.

    I fear for my kids in this increasingly sparse environment. Its about ten years until my boy enters the work force; with the advent of automation and labour reduction through technology, will there be anything left?

    Are we facing a future prophesised in comics like Judge Dredd, where employment is for the few, and the many are just slaves to idleness and reality TV?
  8. Sully John Eales (66)

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    I'll agree it was a brilliant idea. Employing people during the GFC and reducing power demand at the same time. But they Stuffed it big time.
    I can still remember the day I found out they were laying the aluminium lagging directly into ceilings. It was madness and I knew immediately people would die.

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  9. boyo Mark Ella (57)

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    That the federal government wants to scrap, or kneecap, the RET scheme is an example of political ideology overruling the electorate.

    The government is looking after the needs and the wants of those who have caused (or causing) the problems, rather than those who are fixing the problems.
  10. boyo Mark Ella (57)

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    The bloody foil insulation. Sisal paper just wasn't needed on any loft install of insulation. That also leads to no requirement for anything to be stapled. Glass wool laid on the topside of the ceiling is effective.
  12. Gnostic Mark Ella (57)

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    Additionally Ruggo, why allow fly by night scammers to hijack the whole thing to make shit loads of money quickly. Where were the checks that these individuals met even the base competency standards to install even rockwool insulation. For safety there are a whole range of exclusions and safety tolerances that should be met. The lack of these standards led directly to many of the house fires (which there were over 200 reported).

    That is even before we start talking about safe work methods which would have prevented two deaths.

    To top it all off the incompetence of the Government in implementing and administering this scheme basically sent many genuine companies out of business when the whole thing went arse up. If it was me who lost out in such a manner I would have a swag set up in Rudd or Garrett's lounge room.
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  14. Ruggo Mark Ella (57)

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    No problem handing blame at the governments feet as it is warranted but what about the supervisors and foremen onsite who had a duty of care to their workers? I sure hope they were dragged before this Royal commission. Given there is no political mileage in that, I have my doubts and it is hardly juicy enough for the fourth estate to get their grubby little hands involved.
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  15. Gnostic Mark Ella (57)

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    I agree fully Ruggo, I do not absolve those managers/supervsiors who were just focussed on the dollars and had no compunction in putting unskilled and inexperienced people in harms way.

    My objection is purely in the fact that the outcomes were easily foreseeable if the Government had taken genuine interest in submissions from specialists and perhaps most easily had consulted the bodies responsible for the development and publishing of Australian standards, in insulation, construction and electrical. If they had, such practices would not have been so rampant and the level of incidents would not be so many times above that experienced in the industry prior to this scheme.
  16. boyo Mark Ella (57)

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    The RET

    • increases employment
    • increases investment
    • decreases emissions
  17. Pfitzy Tim Horan (67)

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    Standard modus operandi for Middle Management. Gain at all costs, and move onto bigger and better things before the excreta his the rotary ventilator.
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  18. Pfitzy Tim Horan (67)

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    And puts us at the leading edge for selling it to the developing world once we increase the efficiency
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  19. boyo Mark Ella (57)

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  20. boyo Mark Ella (57)

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    They really have no option.

    Government might give ground on renewable energy target

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/government-might-give-ground-on-renewable-energy-target-20140906-10dbvp.html#ixzz3CbJGzXOc


    From the comments:-

    Whether you believe in climate change or not is irrelevant. Increasing energy use from renewal sources just makes plain common sense (prices should come down as the technology develops).
    Fossil fuel based energy (coal/oil) prices will increase as they run out (and extraction costs increase). So isn't it better to to decrease the dependancy on fossil fuels so they can last longer (and be used where they are most appropriate, rather than using them now for everything).
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