PaarlBok
Rod McCall (65)
maybe batsman but as cricketer I struggle to find anyone in Kallis class. In the top range as batsman, good bowler and an excellent slip fielder.
Sachin or Bradman?
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The_Brown_Hornet
John Eales (66)
I still believe Sobers to be the best all round cricketer to have ever played the game. Kallis of the all rounders to come after him is the closest to his level, but to me Sobers is the best ever.
PaarlBok
Rod McCall (65)
This is suppose to be between Sachin and Bradman, not Kallis and Sobers? Keep it on topic please.
The_Brown_Hornet
John Eales (66)
This is suppose to be between Sachin and Bradman, not Kallis and Sobers? Keep it on topic please.
You started it!!!!
PaarlBok
Rod McCall (65)
You started it!!!!
Always difficult to compare different seasons apples. The way "mik en moer" T20/50 overs cricket dominate the sport these days is the way a legend like Kallis dont get the accolades he deserve. The modern cricket supporter will always go for the fancy batters, the old type grafters (which is the best cricket batting skill) type is nowhere.
The_Brown_Hornet
John Eales (66)
I used to think that Kallis batted too much for himself, but I've revised that view in the last couple seasons after he played some important innings for his team.
PaarlBok
Rod McCall (65)
Ja most think like that but they usually totally forget that Kallis was our best batsman who had to stand up while the fancy lot like Cullinan fold against the best Aussie side when you had Warne and McGrath on their best. Kallis seems to change his batting approach lately. Much more attacking , playing his shots. Myself is a Cape Cobra supporter. I realise his value when he change provinces and gave us a hard time when he visited Newlands in his Chevrolate Warrior clothing in finals. Luckily he returned home and is one of us again.
It is what it is
John Solomon (38)
Bradman's peers, friends and foes alike, acknowledged that he was the best batsman of his era.
Not sure if Tendulkar's peers would be so forthcoming.
Not sure if Tendulkar's peers would be so forthcoming.
Bullrush
John Hipwell (52)
You need to watch more sports.
The_Brown_Hornet
John Eales (66)
Bradman would be right up there though Bullrush. Few people have dominated their sport like he has. He's the Jordan or Wilt Chamberlain of cricket.
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Larry Dwyer (12)
well the 1948 cricket touring team were called "the Invincibles". Yeah they were pretty good.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Invincibles_(cricket)
The_Brown_Hornet
John Eales (66)
Very.
His batting average is not far from being double the best of the rest. In a sport where averaging 50 per innings in test cricket is considered world class (less so now, for a number of reasons) he average 99.94. In games Australia won, his average increased to 130. That is stratospheric in cricket terms.
Bullrush
John Hipwell (52)
Was that his last tour? How successful were Aussies over the years Bradman played.
His individual numbers are amazing. I just don't know how well that translated into the success of the teams he played in.
My personal greatest sportsman is Michael Jordan (basketball is actually my first love). Not only are his individual stats so dominant but he won almost every award a player could - MVP, Finals MVP, Best Defensive Player, scoring titles, 6 Championships, 2 Olympic gold medals, all-star teams etc. The 6 championships speak volumes about his ability to lift the players around him. The Chicago 'dynasty' to me is all the more impressive because not a lot of teams have won multiple championships without a dominant center like the Bulls did. The Pistons won 2 with an average centre in Lambier.
That's why I ask about Bradmans success on a team level. I should probably learn more about the Aussie legends now I live here
The_Brown_Hornet
John Eales (66)
Was that his last tour? How successful were Aussies over the years Bradman played.
His individual numbers are amazing. I just don't know how well that translated into the success of the teams he played in.
My personal greatest sportsman is Michael Jordan (basketball is actually my first love). Not only are his individual stats so dominant but he won almost every award a player could - MVP, Finals MVP, Best Defensive Player, scoring titles, 6 Championships, 2 Olympic gold medals, all-star teams etc. The 6 championships speak volumes about his ability to lift the players around him. The Chicago 'dynasty' to me is all the more impressive because not a lot of teams have won multiple championships without a dominant center like the Bulls did. The Pistons won 2 with an average centre in Lambier.
That's why I ask about Bradmans success on a team level. I should probably learn more about the Aussie legends now I live here
According to Cricinfo...
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/4188.html?class=1;template=results;type=batting
Of the tests he played for Australia (52), his team won 30, lost 12 and drew 10. My aforementioned stat about his average in Australian wins is pretty telling. When he played well, they won. Heck, when he played at all they usually won.
In my view his achievements in the sport are at the very least equivalent to Jordan and maybe even surpass them, hard though it is to compare between sports.
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John Solomon (38)
It's not even close. There's no-one else that looks slightly like emulating his average.
I'm convinced this thread is just a massive troll.
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