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School sporting scholarships/recruitment

Discussion in 'Schoolboy Rugby' started by observer, Aug 15, 2010.

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  1. Black & White Bob Loudon (25)

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    Just a differing perspective, I was talking to the last Rugby Master at Newington one time and told me that in Ireland, the schoolboy Rugby is run by by the National Body. They set the rules, the matches and rules of eligibility. As such their focus is on producing the best outcome for Irish Rugby right up to the National Team. I wouldn't see this changing in the NSW GPS System as they would lose control of the game.

    But from a management and leadership outlook it does make sense. Again, such a setup would be resisted over parochial interests, the killing of scared cows and a lost of status, indeed lost of jobs for some Rugby Masters and Coaches.

    But if administered with tact, diplomacy and respect for tradition there could be something in it for the future of schoolboy at certain levels.

    So I invite intelligent and rational discussion how Australian Schoolboy, Rugby could incorporated into a system where other bodies might contribute to management of the game.

    Also, thanks to Joker and others for your support in seeking an objective and sensibly standard of debate. I know from one of my posts you disliked my idea that GPS Rugby should be considered more like US College Football. But, we see things differently in a respectful manner, no name calling. As clearly, one post has more to do with a certain individual's state of mind.
  2. sidelineview Banned

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    I believe NZ Rugby has an influence over schoolboy rugby over the ditch. They don't do too badly.

    Australian rugby has lacked leadership and vision (and resources) as far as grassroots development is concerned. However, the governing bodies have been more proactive in recent seasons. Eg: the Gen Blue mob.

    They can do much more.
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  3. Balmain Subbies Sydney Middleton (9)

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    Whilst I have suggested GPS and CAS should have a scholarship system I would much more like to see a national or semi national program, where GPS and CAS could still have their comps but structure it in a way where other schools could be involved in domestic comps (not just Waratah shiled) and then have the winning teams of each group go into a finals system whereby we could have state and national champs. For this though we will need a lot of funding and RA involved
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  4. formerflanker Desmond Connor (43)

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    Two issues spring to mind from your excellent reminder of the Code of Practice for GPS sport.
    Firstly, that code has been honoured more in the breach than the observance for many, many years by a majority of the signatories. Any future limitations to the professionalisation of GPS rugby would suffer the same fate. The Graham Richardson mantra "whatever it takes" is a key factor in deciding how many "imports" are attracted, not the Code of Practice.
    Secondly, I look at the reaction of the boys at each school and see a general acceptance of sporting scholarships. To many of them, it appears that results matter and winning a GPS rugby premiership casts a positive glow over the whole school, junior players included.

    Sporting scholarships are here to stay. It just remains to see if all schools continue to play under that system.
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  5. Quick Hands David Wilson (68)

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    I know exactly what it's called. I just don't lower myself to your level.
  6. Quick Hands David Wilson (68)

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    Rubbish, the vast majority of students admitted to university in Australia have already turned 18. The small minority who were still 17 at the end of Year 12 would have nearly all turned 18 by the time first year university commences inlate Feb/early March.
  7. Quick Hands David Wilson (68)

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    In NZ schools are now refusing to play others who recruit/scholarship.

    The ethical quagmire that is schoolboy rugby has been further muddied with Auckland powerhouse St Kentigern College being excluded from next year's Auckland 1A First XV competition.
    The stunning turn of events has seen a coalition of schools agree to boycott playing St Kents because of their recruitment policy that has been deemed morally and ethically reprehensible by rival schools.
    The fee-paying independent school admitted to recruiting five senior elite players from rival 1st XVs to bolster their squad for 2019.
    The Herald understands King's College, another independent fee-paying school, was also put on notice but they have agreed to enact changes to their rugby programme.
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12171645
  8. Quick Hands David Wilson (68)

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    The broader question is that those who see the scholarshipping of students as a way to save Australian rugby are running against the evidence. The time of recruting elite athletes into a small number of private schools in Sydney and Brisbane has co-incided with the general decline in Australian rugby.

    If Rugby Australia had any money to invest in development, the first place it should go is to increasing the number of club based juniors and the second place it should go is to supporting state high school rugby programmes. Both of these initiatives are linked by the way.
  9. Quick Hands David Wilson (68)

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    I'd assumed that somebody had hacked his account.
  10. southsider Arch Winning (36)

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    Sorry quick hands but as someone who works in university sport I have to jump in here. American colleges may have strict guidelines around minimum academic requirements but the actual requirements are actually pretty low, outside of Ivy League colleagues a below average Australian student is still able to receive a full sporting scholarship
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    Well that's obviously not on. Lots of moving and shaking happens at U/15's level and under across Australia, considered by many to be fair game. Not too many boys are willing to swap allegiances once they've cracked 1st XV.
  12. southsider Arch Winning (36)

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    Also not true, especially the Queensland kids who finish school earlier
  13. GingerBreadCrab Guest

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    Posted at 1:30AM. what's that they say about all great things happen after midnight? ;)
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    Not too sure about this - until 2019 the large majority of QLD children finishing school were 17. I finished school in NSW aged 17, so did probably 30% of my cohort.
  15. southsider Arch Winning (36)

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    I’m with Balmain Subbies here, let the scholarships flow. Gives student athletes a leg up in their sporting pursuits while still offering them a solid education.

    Sport high school union programs are shit, there’s not a single sport high school in the country that runs a program anywhere near as well as a private school does

    I don’t see what the big deal is besides it’s currently “not allowed”, I think those rules are outdated and should be revisited
  16. Joker Arch Winning (36)

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    Will this be the future? Will it get to this?


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    (No harm towards Newington, but it was the black and white that swayed it)
  17. southsider Arch Winning (36)

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    Does it particularly matter if it does?
  18. Balmain Subbies Sydney Middleton (9)

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    Nope, once again you became a keyboard warrior before engaging brain. I was referring to the US college system champ
  19. Black & White Bob Loudon (25)

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    Lets not forget The Scots College, they spend far more money on scholarships than any body else. Remember the Basket boycott some years ago. Believe me they make Newington look like Paupers.
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