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SOPA & PIPA

Will the SOPA and PIPA Laws have a positive or negative impact on society?

  • Positive

    Votes: 1 6.7%
  • Negative

    Votes: 14 93.3%

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spooony

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Making a copy is theft. It's in the terms and conditions of the product sale for all digital media that it's intellectual property is copyrighted and illegal copying is considered a crime of theft.

Just cos "pirates" want to pretend there robin hood, doesn't make them anything short of nerdy criminals.
No. Theft is taking someones property without permission. That means its gone lost.
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You are not stealing anything. Its still there
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1968/60/crossheading/definition-of-theft

Piracy has its own definition

Software piracy is the illegal copying, distribution, or use of software. It is such a profitable "business" that it has caught the attention of organized crime groups in a number of countries. According to the Business Software Alliance (BSA), about 36% of all software in current use is stolen. Software piracy causes significant lost revenue for publishers, which in turn results in higher prices for the consumer.
When you purchase a commercial software package, an end user license agreement ( EULA ) is included to protect that software program from copyright infringement. Typically, the license states that you can install the original copy of software you bought on one computer and that you can make a backup copy in case the original is lost or damaged. You agree to the licensing agreement when you open the software package (this is called a shrink wrap license), when you open the envelope that contains the software disks, or when you install the software.
Software piracy applies mainly to full-function commercial software. The time-limited or function-restricted versions of commercial software called shareware are less likely to be pirated since they are freely available. Similarly, freeware , a type of software that is copyrighted but freely distributed at no charge, also offers little incentive for piracy.
http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/0,,sid9_gci213592,00.html
 

MrTimms

Ken Catchpole (46)
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An interesting article on copyright law from the EFF. Makes you think, it is damn hard to be legal. Just looking at music, even with great services like itunes you can end up breaking the law without thinking.

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/04/first-sale-president-obama-and-queen-england

iPods, First Sale, President Obama, and the Queen of England
President Obama reportedly gave an iPod, loaded with 40 show tunes, to England's Queen Elizabeth II as a gift. Did he violate the law when he did so?
You know your copyright laws are broken when there is no easy answer to this question.
Traditionally, it has been the job of the "first sale" doctrine to enable gift giving -- that's the provision of copyright law that entitles the owner of a CD, book, or other copyrighted work, to give it away (or resell it, for that matter), notwithstanding the copyright owner's exclusive right of distribution.
In the digital era, however, first sale has been under siege, with copyright owners (and even the Copyright Office) arguing that it has no place in a world where "ownership" has been replaced by "licenses" and hand-to-hand exchanges have been replaced by computer-mediated exchanges that necessarily make copies. But it's precisely because first sale is central to everyday activities like giving an iPod to a friend, selling a used CD on eBay, or borrowing a DVD from a library, that EFF and others have been fighting for it in case after case.
So, how does President Obama fare in this? It's nearly impossible to figure out. If he'd simply purchased a "greatest hits" CD of show tunes and given it to the Queen, the first sale doctrine would have taken care of it. But because digital technology is involved here, suddenly it's a legal quagmire. (And, for the remainder of this discussion, I am going to set aside the Presidential immunity issues and the UK copyright law issues, which make it even more of a quagmire.)
First, let's imagine that the President (or his staff) bought the 40 show tunes from the iTunes music store. Do you "own" the music that you buy from iTunes? The nearly 9,000 words of legalese to which you agree before buying don't answer that question (an oversight? I doubt it). Copyright owners have consistently argued in court that many digital products (even physical "promo" CDs!) are "licensed," not "owned," and therefore you're not entitled to resell them or give them away. (And the Amazon MP3 Store terms of service are even worse for consumers than iTunes -- those terms specifically purport to strip you of "ownership" and forbid any "redistribution.")
Second, even if the first sale doctrine applies to iTunes downloads, what about the additional copies made on the iPod? iTunes does not download directly to an iPod. So President Obama's staff made an additional copy onto the Queen's intended iPod. How are those copies excused? The iTunes terms of service say that downloads are "only for personal, noncommercial use." Is giving a copy to a head of state a "personal" use? Seems more like a "diplomatic use," doesn't it? So copyright owners could argue that the copy on the iPod was not authorized, because it was beyond the scope of the iTunes "license." And according to the typical rightsholder argument, any use beyond the scope of the "license" is a copyright infringement.
Perhaps it's a fair use? I'd certainly take that view. But does it matter here whether President Obama's staffer first deleted the copy that is still on her computer? Should that matter? (It does not matter for first sale purposes, which is one reason why the first sale doctrine answers questions so much more clearly.)
Third, what about a breach of contract? As I mentioned above, some might argue that this "use" of iTunes downloads breaches the "personal use" limitation in the agreement. And if it is a breach of the iTunes contract, can the copyright owners sue President Obama as "third party beneficiaries" of the iTunes contract? It's not clear. (In the Amazon terms of service, copyright owners are specifically made third party beneficiaries, which appears to be an attempt to clear a path for record labels to sue Amazon customers for breaches of the contract.)
And all of this even before you start asking what happens when the Queen connects her new iPod to her computer, thereby making even more copies (the UK, after all, lacks a fair use doctrine)... UPDATE: Prof. Michael Froomkin points out that the Queen enjoys sovereign immunity under UK law because she is, well, the sovereign.
Of course, no one thinks that copyright owners are going to send lawyers after either President Obama or the Queen over this. But none of us should want a world where even our leaders--much less the rest of us--can't figure out how copyright law operates in their daily lives.
 
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spooony

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An interesting article on copyright law from the EFF. Makes you think, it is damn hard to be legal. Just looking at music, even with great services like itunes you can end up breaking the law without thinking.

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/04/first-sale-president-obama-and-queen-england
Do you know in Russia the government sets out 3 percent for such things. That means that you can infringe any copy right law there but that 3 percent tax the government is taking goes to compensation to the artist/original creator. I think that is a very good idea.
 

Ignoto

John Thornett (49)
Do you know in Russia the government sets out 3 percent for such things. That means that you can infringe any copy right law there but that 3 percent tax the government is taking goes to compensation to the artist/original creator. I think that is a very good idea.

Australia had a similar tax back in the late 80/90's on blank cassette tapes. The idea was to "compensate copyright owners" of any potential losses they were going to incur by people recording their songs onto mix tapes.
 
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spooony

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Australia had a similar tax back in the late 80/90's on blank cassette tapes. The idea was to "compensate copyright owners" of any potential losses they were going to incur by people recording their songs onto mix tapes.
Did the law die with blank tapes as well?
 
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