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Braveheart81

Will Genia (78)
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Instead of looking to build infrastructure slowly and long term with long term jobs growth and security and slow trickle of capital, every government is focussed on a three to five year plan of sell up big to fund their next "infrastructure" promise to buy their next election.

I loved the rest of your post but am not really sure whether this premise works today.

Most of the infrastructure we need can't be built over a long period of time because the building phase causes interruptions to the existing piece of infrastructure that is being replaced/upgraded.

Selling public assets is always a difficult proposition. On one hand a good asset provides an annual return to taxpayers. On the other hand, selling an asset provides a cash injection which can be used to fund future infrastructure projects.
 

Gnostic

Mark Ella (57)
I loved the rest of your post but am not really sure whether this premise works today.

Most of the infrastructure we need can't be built over a long period of time because the building phase causes interruptions to the existing piece of infrastructure that is being replaced/upgraded.

Selling public assets is always a difficult proposition. On one hand a good asset provides an annual return to taxpayers. On the other hand, selling an asset provides a cash injection which can be used to fund future infrastructure projects.


We cant now because the base capital has been sold or has been left to deteriorate.

My argument is that under the old structures of Statutory Authorities that had responsibility for the their area and their area only, the was a long term maintenance and replacement plan, that was realised over decades. The Government was required to provide the seed funding (amounting to billions in today's money) and after that the authorities actually had to perform. As I said the Government realised a zero return on that seed. What they got however was a stable infrastructure growth and maintenance. Also employment.

We we see now is the loss of that structure at its base. There is no going back, the path back was destroyed at the start with the loss of the coal mines in the case of Electricity Generation.

The asset deterioration in many cases has been intentional so as to provide a true argument to support the sale of the asset. I do not accept that this is political suicide for Baird, the public knows that the die was cast a long time ago and sooner or later it will happen.

The Australia Post situation is an interesting parallel. On the surface the declining letter revenue is easy to understand, and they always cite the loss making enterprise that mail delivery is. What they do not tell you is that about 5-7 years ago the managers/government drove a restructure of Aust. Post which separated the business into three components. The retail - shop fronts and selling stamps etc (is quite profitable), parcel delivery (very profitable and seeing exponential growth, and Aust Post owns Star Track express in this sector as well) and final mail delivery (which has no money making capacity and only costs). So when they truthfully say delivering mail is a loss maker, they are correct, but only because they re-structured to separate the service from the fee taking portion and the big profit making section of the business. Make no mistake they will do the same with Aust Post, because the Government cannot run a business apparently (which they don't the managers there do under direction) they will sell the retail sites (which they already have to a large degree with Licenced POs) and sell the Parcel business. The Government will again be left holding the loss making entity which they will use as an excuse that Government cannot run business.

Another example is the Railways. They kept the track and infrastructure under the ARTC and passenger services, but sold the only profit making section being freight. Interesting to note that certain long term "friends" and lobbyists of the major parties profited big time from that privatisation.
 

Runner

Nev Cottrell (35)
We cant now because the base capital has been sold or has been left to deteriorate.

My argument is that under the old structures of Statutory Authorities that had responsibility for the their area and their area only, the was a long term maintenance and replacement plan, that was realised over decades. The Government was required to provide the seed funding (amounting to billions in today's money) and after that the authorities actually had to perform. As I said the Government realised a zero return on that seed. What they got however was a stable infrastructure growth and maintenance. Also employment.

We we see now is the loss of that structure at its base. There is no going back, the path back was destroyed at the start with the loss of the coal mines in the case of Electricity Generation.

The asset deterioration in many cases has been intentional so as to provide a true argument to support the sale of the asset. I do not accept that this is political suicide for Baird, the public knows that the die was cast a long time ago and sooner or later it will happen.

The Australia Post situation is an interesting parallel. On the surface the declining letter revenue is easy to understand, and they always cite the loss making enterprise that mail delivery is. What they do not tell you is that about 5-7 years ago the managers/government drove a restructure of Aust. Post which separated the business into three components. The retail - shop fronts and selling stamps etc (is quite profitable), parcel delivery (very profitable and seeing exponential growth, and Aust Post owns Star Track express in this sector as well) and final mail delivery (which has no money making capacity and only costs). So when they truthfully say delivering mail is a loss maker, they are correct, but only because they re-structured to separate the service from the fee taking portion and the big profit making section of the business. Make no mistake they will do the same with Aust Post, because the Government cannot run a business apparently (which they don't the managers there do under direction) they will sell the retail sites (which they already have to a large degree with Licenced POs) and sell the Parcel business. The Government will again be left holding the loss making entity which they will use as an excuse that Government cannot run business.

Another example is the Railways. They kept the track and infrastructure under the ARTC and passenger services, but sold the only profit making section being freight. Interesting to note that certain long term "friends" and lobbyists of the major parties profited big time from that privatisation.


It maybe worth noting that in 1983 the Button Steel Plan encouraged BHP to adopt this Harard profit centre business approach and perhaps set the die.
 

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Nev Cottrell (35)
Alan Moran

Thirty years ago, at the dawn of the Australian reform era, there was a lively debate about the merits of public versus private ownership. At that stage, conscious of its support from featherbedded unions, Labor argued it was competition, not ownership, that drove efficiency.
Since then, those carrying the flag for public ownership have seen their ranks thinning. Now they are confined to the hard left and elements of the populist right. Hardly anybody sees a case for retaining public ownership of businesses that compete with the private sector to supply goods and services.
It was 20 years ago when even Gough Whitlam supported Bob Hawke’s privatisation of Commonwealth Bank of Australia and Qantas. This week’s decision by the Baird government to sell NSW’s electricity poles and wires renews the efforts Bob Carr’s treasurer, Michael Egan, made 20 years ago.
Locking up public funds in firms that have business rivals makes no sense, especially since the private sector will always prove superior in keeping down costs and seeking better ways to profitably supply market needs.
Even so, state-owned companies such as electricity generators, which are in competition with private businesses, are forced to follow their private sector competitors’ cost savings and innovations. If they don’t, they lose money.
These disciplines are absent with monopoly businesses, the most important of which are the electricity networks. Hence privatisation can bring far greater benefits with such businesses.
Performances by government-owned electricity networks are compared with those that are privately owned, even though no two networks pose identical challenges.
This year, costs of the state-owned distribution businesses in NSW and Queensland mean network prices are around twice those of Victoria’s private distribution businesses. And the situation is deteriorating. Over the past three years, NSW and Queensland costs increased three times as fast as Victoria’s (the private South Australian network also has high costs as it serves a very peaky load and had been run-down).
Hat trick of high cost


In the case of NSW and Queensland, costs are inflated for three main reasons. First, government ownership has led to more gold-plating of the systems as risk-averse ministers who have little incentive to save costs over-react to mishaps. Even so, the reliability of the states’ networks is, if anything, rather less than that of Victoria.
Secondly, because government ownership equates to a relative indifference to costs, workforces become bloated and over-generous conditions prevail. Private sector workers in networks earn far less than the $138,000 a year average earned by Sydney/Newcastle distribution business Ausgrid or the $127,000 average at country supplier Essential Energy, most of whose workers also have use of a company car. Private sector management also requires greater workplace flexibility. And private companies would not tolerate the use of their equipment for purposes like the erection of anti-privatisation signs on Ausgrid poles – forcing consumers to finance propaganda to maintain the high costs that government ownership imposes on them.
Finally, the lack of controls in government businesses means little discipline on spending. All electricity network businesses, as monopolies, have to obtain agreement from the regulator for a total spending cap. This dictates the prices that can be set. Having better information about their businesses, the firms will normally persuade the regulator to approve over-generous levels of the spending (and therefore higher prices than are necessary).
In the case of private sector companies, the owners will seek savings in the regulator-approved capital and operational spending for the benefit of shareholders. In subsequent regulatory rounds this provides guidance to the regulator who will demand a lower spending cap and lower prices. There is no such operational management discipline on government businesses. Executives in those organisations will spend all that they are allocated and often even more, confident they will recoup the additional costs in subsequent regulatory rounds.
The case for privatisation of networks is compelling. However, the NSW proposals are timid in exempting the inefficient Essential Energy and seeking only a 49 per cent private holding for the rest of the network. Baird is hoping that placing 51 per cent with an apolitical future fund will offer buyers sufficient assurances that they can pursue the necessary management reforms.
Alan Moran is the director of deregulation at the Institute of Public Affairs
The Australian Financial Review

SORRY ABOUT WHOLE ARTICLE BUT IT HAS A PAYWALL
 

Gnostic

Mark Ella (57)
The big problem that nobody addresses in the privatisation debate is that it is based on a US capitalist model. They have a well spread large population throughout their country. With essential services being privatised and universal access no longer guaranteed (ask somebody in the bush about the service guarantee in telecommunications) and you will understand that large areas of Australia will just have to make do with no reasonable access to services. Australia will have to then get used to massive price rises in food stuffs as labour moves from regional areas to the cities because of cost of living. Large areas will be left vacant and the Government will then call for Foreign investment in these areas and the base productive capacity of the country is sold.
 

Runner

Nev Cottrell (35)
Not sure about that USA point.

"As of 2011, about 250 million Americans live in or around urban areas. That means more than three-quarters of the U.S. population shares just about three percent of the U.S. land area."[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States

Also I am not prepared to pay for a few people who decide that they want to live in an isolated area.

Privatisation is occurring in Russia and China so much for a USA model alone.
 

boyo

Mark Ella (57)
Health ministers vote to reinstate healthy food star rating website

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/health-ministers-vote-to-reinstate-healthy-food-star-rating-website-20140627-zsnqy.html#ixzz35nmMeSgH


"CHOICE chief executive Alan Kirkland said it was "great news for consumers".

"We know that many shoppers are confused and frustrated by the current state of food labelling, in which the complex, numerical information on the back of packs is rendered even more confusing on those products which carry the food industry’s voluntary Daily Intake Guide percentages," he said.

He called on food manufacturers to abandon the daily intake guide and replace it with the food star rating scheme."
 

barbarian

Phil Kearns (64)
Staff member
I reckon we do. Country is too big to have only two. Plus you wouldn't want to give any more power to either councils or the feds, which would be required if you cut back to 2.
 

boyo

Mark Ella (57)
Queensland poll suggests Campbell Newman could lose his own seat


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/06/poll-suggests-campbell-newman-could-lose

"A Queensland poll suggests the premier, Campbell Newman, and more than half his MPs face losing their seats at next year's election.
A ReachTEL poll of voters commissioned by The Sunday Mail and the Seven Network indicated up to 40 of the Liberal National party's 73 sitting members could be voted out, the Mail reports."
 

Ruggo

Mark Ella (57)
Clive's Territory tilt

http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/backgroundbriefing/2014-07-13/5582098

"Away from the Canberra spotlight, the Palmer United Party has made an audacious play for power in the NT. Three parliamentarians have joined with PUP and in doing so have shaken up the political status quo locally. Ann Arnold investigates this new force in Territory politics."


These are just scraps from a government made up of rubbish Boyo. Nothing to see here, trust me. Allison Anderson would be the most hated person in the NT. The only person who rates her is Tony Abbott. Remember she is his "genuine Aboriginal" rather than Ken Wyatt who is just a "urban Aboriginal". Larrisa Lee just faced court for assulting an 18 year old. She is also embrolled in a $17,000 fuel card scandal which the CLP government covered up when she was part of them.

This story is a bit old and they have already proven to be irrelevant. I doubt any of the three will hold their seats after the next election.
 

boyo

Mark Ella (57)
Campbell Newman tries to draw line under backlash

Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/campbell-newman-tries-to-draw-line-under-backlash-20140721-zvfzr.html#ixzz38AGC1HrR


“There has been criticism that this wasn’t allowing enough scrutiny by both the media and indeed the opposition, there were claims that this was, in some way, not the right way to do it,” Mr Newman said.

“We are listening"

But are they? How well did they listen after Redcliffe?

Words without action are merely words.
 
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