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Sydney Colts - 2015

Discussion in 'Club Rugby' started by Hugh Jarse, Aug 17, 2014.

  1. I like to watch Simon Poidevin (60)

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    They are not having a better than average season.
    An average season would see them finish the year in colts 1's.
    This year they lasted a couple of weeks before it was decided it was better for all concerned they don't contest that grade this year.
    Not hating on anyone,just recognising that this year is a step backwards for the folk out west.
    I'm still hopeful the wood ducks in charge of the sport, give them some support to get to the next level.
    I would love to see the Riff have 3 colts teams in the finals in a few years,and for everyone on these boards complaining about the advantages they have over the rest.
  2. Hugh Jarse Rocky Elsom (76)

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    5/6 last week. Didn't see then Marlin ambush coming.

    Round 16 Tips
    Manly v Warringah. MMM on a roll and will win by 15+

    Eastern Suburbs v Eastwood. Pressure game for both teams with finals positions at stake. Tough game to call but the tossed coin has just come up for the Beasties by < 7.

    Southern Districts v Randwick. Randi-Wix with thrash their opponents by 20+.

    Gordon v Sydney University. The Corporation have their big guns back and will win by 15+.

    Parramatta v The Bye. Easy 5 points victory for the M2B to put pressure on the other top 6 aspirants.

    West Harbour v Northern Suburbs. Shoremen have a point to prove that last weeks game was just an anomaly and will win by 18+.
  3. I like to watch Simon Poidevin (60)

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    Marlins will score plenty v Rats
    Woodies piggies will get them home against the beasts in a dour game.
    Wicks will tear Souths a new one.
    Gordon seem to have run out of puff,so Uni will avenge their first round loss convincingly.
    Parra will love the rest & guaranteed 5 points on their march to the finals.
    Norths will blow Wests off the park.big win expected
  4. Quick Hands David Wilson (68)

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    No one is hating Penrith, people are just commenting on the reality which isn't a very healthy situation for either the club, the players or the code.

    I'm not sure how long you have been involved and by what standard you are suggesting that this is "a better than average season". I was involved in colts for about 8 years in the early 00s and for most, if not all of that time Penrith fielded 4 grades of colts. By the end of the season there were a few players doubling up in 3s and 4s, but 1st and 2nd colts were competitive all season - particularly the first grade sides. They were always hard to beat, and even if sometimes they conceded a few points it was often in the last 10-15 mins of the match.

    Unfortunately for all concerned, the trend has been a steady decline for the past 10 years, with occasional highlights. Bit of a similar story in grade too. There was an article posted on one of the threads and it would seem that the decline started when the NSWRU/ARU cut the number of DOs working in Sydney's west.

    All clubs lose juniors when colts starts for a variety of reasons - there's quite a few boys who come from Manly playing elsewhere too, same with the Rats, same with Gordon. It's just the way it is.

    No one would be happier than I would be if Penrith grade and colts teams could be competitive, but without significant assistance from NSWRU I just can't see it happening. Amateur players will go where they perceive good coaching, a good structure and where they can have an enjoyable experience with their mates. When a lot of boys leave a club (any club not just Penrith), it's an indication that they don't think those things are evident.
  5. Quick Hands David Wilson (68)

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    Eastwood to win at home
    Norths back in the winners' circle
    Parra in 2s over Penrith
    Randwick to gallop to victory
    Uni over Gordon
    Manly should beat the Rats - suspect it will be closer than some expect (I'm always wary of a Warringah team playing Manly):)
  6. Hugh Jarse Rocky Elsom (76)

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    To head off the inevitable question, here is a summary of the competition rules regarding finals eligibility:

    1. A player must play in a minimum of four rounds during the minor premiership games unless they have been on Representative Duties (National U20 and/or Super Rugby. State U20 representative duties not currently included but I suspect this is an oversight as the National U20 Champs have only been held for the last 2 years. Change comes slowly sometimes.) If absent on Representative Duties, then the minimum requirement is two minor premiership games.

    2. A player is not eligible to play in Finals Series fixtures in any grade lower that the grade in which they have played the majority of their last 7 matches. A player may apply for dispensation to this if they have played > 60% of the season in the grade they wish to play in (lower than the grade they played the majority of their last 7 matches in).

    3. Players who have only played two matches to qualify for Finals due to being absent on Representative Duties are eligible for Colts 1, First or Second Grade only.

    4. If a player starts in a lower grade and comes off the bench in a higher grade in any given minor premiership round, they are considered to have played in the lower graded match. If they don’t start any games, but take the field off the bench in more than one game, then the highest graded game that play in will be considered their playing grade for that day (important for the “majority of the last 7 games played” ruling).

    5. Colts eligible players (Under 20 at 1 Jan 2015) can play in Colts finals matches if the majority of their last 7 games (or 60% of their season) has been in Colts 1-3, or 3rd or 4th Grade.

    6. Colts 1 eligible players are also eligible to play 1st to 3rd Grade Finals matches.

    7. Colts 2 or Colts 3 eligible players are also eligible to play Colts 1 or 1st to 4th Grade Finals matches.

    8. Colts eligible players who have played the majority of their last 7 matches in 3rd or 4th grade are not eligible for Colts 3 finals.

    9. Clubs may apply for dispensations to all of the above criteria.

    There are other rulings about “open selection” when a team has more than one team in the finals. These are tricky to interpret and won’t be summarised here.

    What does this mean?
    a. The Grade in which a player has played >= 4 of their last 7 games is important.
    b. The Grade in which a player has played 60% of the season is important, especially if they have been filling gaps in Grade 1 or 2 towards the end of the season.
    c. Playing a 3rd or 4th Grade game is considered to be an eligible Colts 1 or Colts 2 game for Colts Eligible players but not Colts 3.
  7. Done that Ron Walden (29)

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    Are they "being pilfered",i.e. are other clubs actively seeking them
    to jump ship , or is it simply that the players don't want to continue
    playing with the Penrith club for whatever reason.
    There is a difference.
    If it's the latter , then it behoves the Penrith club to address the issue.
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  8. Sideline Eye Darby Loudon (17)

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  9. Seymour Butz Larry Dwyer (12)

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    Pretty sure we played Penrith in a subbies grand final 10 or 15 years ago (but could be wrong about that). Have they always been in the SS ?
  10. Eyes and Ears Colin Windon (37)

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    I think they started in the Shute shield around 1995.
  11. Seymour Butz Larry Dwyer (12)

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    Righto, just checked the archives, and it was 2001 I was thinking of, but Liverpool was the opposition, not Penrith. Roughly the right direction. Wrong city.
  12. Whale berry Larry Dwyer (12)

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    Penrith (aka Nepean) were long time participants in what was the old 2nd division before it was absorbed into Subbies around 1993.
    I think it was at this time that Penrith went up to Shute Shield.
    Will look up some old programs to confirm
  13. GTPIH Watty Friend (18)

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    Beasties win all three grades with a bonus point.
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  14. Hugh Jarse Rocky Elsom (76)

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    Round 16 Results

    W. McMahon Memorial Shield - Colts 1
    Manly 21 Warringah 24
    Eastern Suburbs 40 Eastwood 26
    Southern Districts 5 Randwick 31
    Gordon 10 Sydney University 38
    Parramatta 28 The Bye 0
    West Harbour 22 Northern Suburbs 24

    Shell Trophy - Colts 2
    Manly 35 Warringah 29
    Eastern Suburbs 41 Eastwood 29
    Southern Districts 8 Randwick 19
    Gordon 3 Sydney University 49
    Penrith 50 Parramatta 40
    West Harbour 15 Northern Suburbs 61

    Bill Simpson Shield - Colts 3
    Manly 24 Warringah 12
    Eastern Suburbs 22 Eastwood 5
    Southern Districts 10 Randwick 35
    Gordon 13 Sydney University 41
    Penrith 15 Parramatta 17
    West Harbour 22 Northern Suburbs 22

    Round 17 Games - 18 July
    West Harbour v Parramatta
    Eastern Suburbs v Northern Suburbs
    Eastwood v Randwick
    Penrith v Southern Districts (Bye in Colts 1)
    Manly v Gordon
    Sydney University v Warringah

    Round 18 Games - 25 July
    Northern Suburbs v Sydney University
    Randwick v Manly
    Gordon v Penrith (Bye in Colts 1)
    Parramatta v Eastern Suburbs
    Southern Districts v West Harbour
    Warringah v Eastwood
  15. Hugh Jarse Rocky Elsom (76)

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    Eric Spilsted Shield (Colts Club Championship) Watch:
    The Gallopers maintain a lead of more than 1 round of maximum points on The Corporation and it should prove to be unassailable. In turn, the Corporation has established a lead of more than a rounds maximum points over the Shoremen in third place.

    Predicted mid table jockeying occurred, and I reckon that there will be more of the same next week.

    There are a maximum of 55 points available to a club each week, based on all 3 colts teams winning with a 4 try BP.

    Randwick, 812 points (Estimated)
    Sydney University, 755 points
    Northern Suburbs, 670 points
    Gordon, 562 points
    Eastern Suburbs, 471 points (up 1 place)
    Eastwood, 428 points (down 1 place)
    Southern Districts, 413 points
    Manly, 383 points
    Parramatta, 366 points
    West Harbour, 287 points
    Warringah, 191 points#
    Penrith, 139 points

    How the Colts Club Championship table is calculated.
    The competition points from the individual competitions are multiplied by the following factors and then added together.
    Colts 1 - 6
    Colts 2 - 3
    Colts 3 - 2

    # Warringah deducted 4 points for a Late Forfeit in Round 1 Colts 3, and 2 Points for a Forfeit in Round 2 Colts 3.
  16. I like to watch Simon Poidevin (60)

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    Haha,who would have tipped that?
    Marlins tear Rats a new one in the first round,then change tactics totally this time round.

    The way the Marlins played away from their strengths and played to their weaknesses defied logic.
    Whenever their kicker could actually find touch from penalties,they lose the lineout,but they kept doing it all day.
    Meanwhile, everytime the 13 gets it he almost scores,so they make sure he only gets it from Rats errors,and Osagie (their leading try scorer)hardly touched the ball all game.

    No wonder they are out of finals contention.

    But it was a great win by the junior Ratties!
    Especially the tight 5,that's where they won the game today,they dominated the set piece,and were superior at the breakdown all day long.
    Big effort from the single digits!
  17. Hugh Jarse Rocky Elsom (76)

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    Finals Watch Update:

    If the finals were held this coming weekend, the games would be:
    Colts 1:
    Randwick vs Gordon
    Sydney University vs Eastwood
    Northern Suburbs vs Eastern Suburbs

    Top 3 teams seem fairly settled with any one of 6 teams likely to fill the last 3 slots available.

    The Run Home:
    Randwick 77 points - Eastwood (A), Manly (A)
    Sydney University 67 points - Warringah (H), Northern Suburbs (H)
    Northern Suburbs 58 points - Eastern Suburbs (A), Sydney University (A)
    Eastern Suburbs 49 points - Northern Suburbs (H), Parramatta (A)
    Eastwood 47 points - Randwick (H), Warringah (A)
    Gordon 46 points - Manly (A), The Bye
    Parramatta 42 points - West Harbour (H), Eastern Suburbs (H)
    Southern Districts 38 points - The Bye, West Harbour (H)
    Manly 38 points - Gordon (H), Randwick (H)

    Using the previous 2015 results & BP allocation for these remaining fixtures (no guarantee these will repeat in all instances) the final points could be:
    Randwick: 87 points
    Sydney University: 73 points
    Northern Suburbs: 68 points
    Eastern Suburbs: 54 points
    Eastwood: 52 points
    Gordon: 52 points
    Parramatta: 48 points
    Southern Districts: 47 points
    Manly: 47 points

    50+ points seems to be the cut off for making the Final 6.

    Colts 2: (no change)
    Sydney University vs Eastern Suburbs
    Northern Suburbs vs Southern Districts
    Randwick vs Gordon

    Top 5 seem fairly comfortable and there is intense competition between Beasts and Emus for the 6th qualifying slot.

    Colts 3:
    Randwick vs West Harbour
    Sydney University vs Manly
    Gordon vs Northern Suburbs

    Positions 1-4 are comfortable although there may be movements between 2 & 3. Currently 5 teams are in hot competition for the last 2 slots.
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  18. Quick Hands David Wilson (68)

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    Sounds like the wheels have fallen off. What a dismal day.
  19. BillyBlack Allen Oxlade (6)

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    The U/18 was a fantastic initiative, and was well supported by a number of clubs that should be congratulated - Southern Districts, West Harbour, Parramatta, and Gordon. There were other clubs that participated but for reasons unknown they withdrew at different times during the season (Sydney Uni, Randwick and Manly). Regardless of the reasons for withdrawing - well done to them as well.
    Others just couldn't put team together, which is a little surprising considering the overall Club strength and location of Eastwood, Northern Suburbs, and East Suburbs. The other clubs that didn't compete we can understand - Penrith and Warringah.
    So let's hope that more clubs can compete (for the full season) next year.

    There may be a couple of games still to be played over the last two weeks when West Harbour play Parramatta and Southern Districts.
    Regardless of the results I can say with certainty that we can congratulate Southern Districts who (I believe) went thru the season undefeated (to date).

    May I suggest (as previously mentioned) that the U/18 completion be incorporated into the Club Championship table. I believe that this would ensure/encourage Uni, Randwick and Manly (and other clubs such as Norths, Eastwood and Easts participate).
  20. Whale berry Larry Dwyer (12)

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    Absolutely agree that the U/18's should be maintained and developed, hey even a simple thing like putting the scores in the paper would be a welcome innovation.
    Any club not embracing the 18's is crazy, what a great way to develop a recruitment stream for the higher age colts.
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