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Discussion in 'Politics' started by RugbyFuture, Oct 27, 2010.

  1. RugbyFuture Lord Logo

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    http://www.smh.com.au/world/tea-party-challenged--by-the-coffee-party-20101027-173iz.html
    makes sense, especially since the tea party come across as so stupid
  2. Bowside Peter Johnson (47)

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    I really fucking hate the tea party/republicans/glen beck/hannity/everything else on fox news.

    As the old saying goes, Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel.
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  3. barbarian Nick Farr-Jones (63)

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    Every time I look at American politics it makes me thank fuck I'm Australian. Seriously. They are so attached to the idea of their genius 'founding fathers' that they can never take a step back and realise its a stupid fucking system that ensures that for the most part nothing ever gets done. Not to mention they are corrupt as anything- don't see any changes to campaign contribution law anytime soon, despite the fact that they all rail on lobbyists and big business.

    And don't start me on the fucking Tea Party. A bunch of dimwitted hicks carrying around signs like 'Government stay out of my Medicare'. And the 'Rally to Restore Honour', I mean really. If someone proposed that here they would be laughed out of town.
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  4. RugbyFuture Lord Logo

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    the stupid thing is, the founding fathers would have been very progressive. especially for their time, and founded america on left wing politics basically
  5. Gagger Nick Farr-Jones (63)

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    The Tea party is both moronic and evil.

    However, fantastic positioning from a marketing perspective. They say they don't support the Republicans to distance themselves from the Bush generation, (and then fund republican candidates). The democrats can't attack the movement because that would look unpatriotic - they can only hope the American population will see sense - and look where that will get you!

    My biggest fear for the future of the world is that the yanks end up electing someone that makes Bush look like a rocket scientist - Palin would fit that bill nicely
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  6. The_Brown_Hornet Michael Lynagh (62)

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    Classical liberal IMHO. That is, civil liberties and relative economic freedom. Remember that Adam Smith's Wealth of Nations was a influential book at that time. These days, they'd probably be called small-l libertarians.
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  7. The_Brown_Hornet Michael Lynagh (62)

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    I think there is a lot of absolute bull written about the Tea Partiers. All this stuff about the movement being racist and only in existence because the US has a black president is very intellectually lazy. In reality, they are a pretty broad church (so to speak) and the only thing they all appear to agree on is that America is spending itself to bankruptcy. Whatever differences I have with them about other things, I agree with them on that.

    I agree with BaBa though that it makes me glad to be an Aussie. Our politics are usually pretty raucus is parliament, but sedate in the general public. In the US, it's the opposite.
  8. Lindommer Andrew Slack (58)

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    The biggest culprits here are Reagan and George Dubya, both heroes of the Tea Party. The loony right have landed America in the shit the last 30 years, certainly not Barack Obama.
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  9. The_Brown_Hornet Michael Lynagh (62)

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    GWB without question yes, but Barry's done a bang up job of spending a bunch of money since coming to power. Realistically, they will both go down as being poor presidents on the economic front. Clinton was actually pretty good at this stuff and gets little respect in his own country. Reagan ran high deficits, but not in comparison to now and not because of spending (other than military). He chose to cut taxes from the high rates of the Nixon and Carter years and the economy rocketed on in the 80's. Having Paul Volcker break the back of inflation helped too.

    As for the tea party love of GWB, I'm not seeing it from what I read. They blame him just as much, which is why establishment R's are getting booted out by tea party candidates in their congressional primaries.
  10. RugbyFuture Lord Logo

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    um do you realise what would have happened if ford GM and Chrysler collapsed along with the Fed Banks.
  11. The_Brown_Hornet Michael Lynagh (62)

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    It would probably be no worse than it is now. The unemployment projections of the current administration have proven to be on the low side. The problem with bailouts is when do you stop? What makes the auto industry or the banks special? It's making everyone pay for the sins of a few. The cynic in me says that the propping up of certain industries is a vote buying exercise. Lucky I'm not that cynical.
  12. Blue Andrew Slack (58)

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    Whilts I entirely agree with your post, we have ourselves one of those at the moment.

    The two party system her is inherently flawed and if we can't see that out of this fiasco were are stupid (and I fear we will remain just so).
  13. Ruggo Mark Ella (57)

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    The problem here is that with thier two term limit, Obama will never have time needed for the reforms he visions.
  14. Scotty David Codey (61)

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    Without doubt the other two you mention, particularly Bush, were big spenders, but how you can say that 'certainly not Barack Obama' is also contributing to the problem is beyond me. I also wonder if the three that agreed with you are only agree with the first part or also don't think that Obama has been poor as far as economic management is concerned?
  15. Scotty David Codey (61)

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    You don't think 8 years is enough to get anything done?
  16. The_Brown_Hornet Michael Lynagh (62)

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    I'm in favour of term limits. Eight years ought to be enough time to get something done (most reform is done early anyway) but not enough time to do truly permanent damage. That's the theory anyway. If I recall correctly, term limits were brought in after the FDR years. I would advocate term limits for congresspeople as well. A lot of those guys and girls are ossifying and chewing up public money in pork barrelling and their personal pensions while in congress.

    I don't think Obama is a shoe-in to win in 2012 anyway, not unless the economy improves. Rightly or wrongly, people will blame him for it.
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  17. Scarfman Knitter of the Scarf

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    American debt is insane. I reckon the whole capitalist system could get taken down. If the US can't pay it's debts .

    But are the Tea Baggers the right people to reform the American financial system? Hmm. Is my 5 year old the best person to perform emergency brain surgery, blindfolded, and using nothing but sharpened toys? I don't think so.
  18. Scotty David Codey (61)

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    Neither side of politics in the states seems to have the ability or nerve to do what is required. Mostly because they are too heavily influenced by people outside of politics.
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  19. Ruggo Mark Ella (57)

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    No. He will be lucky to clean the mess he inherited in 8 years. Things like his health reform are such a massive mind shift that that it will take longer. I think it should be up to the American voter to determine the length of tenure of an elected official, If they like the person they have, they should reserve the right too keep them in the job beyond 8 years.
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  20. The_Brown_Hornet Michael Lynagh (62)

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    They are in some strife, that is for sure. They've been in trouble before (arguably worse) and got out of it though. Americans are very resilient and will generally rally together when things get really tough. The problem is, things usually have to get really tough for them to do it ;) Churchill had an apt quote: “You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after they've tried everything else.”

    I'm not sure the Tea Partiers are the ones to solve this either, but clearly there is a need for some new thinking in congress. First and foremost, I think the political class need to level with the American people and tell them that the debt party is over and that belt tightening is required.

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