The problem with Whitlam was he tried to do things to do things to quick. It is the exact problem the Rudd govt had. The concepts were good but the methods were shit. Although in different forms, alot of his agenda that was implemented is still around today such as medicare and tertiary education assistance. The controversy of his dismisal often overshadows other aspects of his tenure as PM like getting us the fuck out of Vietnam. His biggest failure was indiginous policy reform. The concept was magnificent but the implentation is a big reason for the indiginous problems we have today. I completely agree with you Scotty in regards to Hewson. During the Election, every Monday arvo ABC radio had him and Clare Martin on talking about the issues. It was a great discussion to listen to and a refreshing change from the usual spin. The less said about Howard the better. I wonder if his book makes mention of what a completely useless treasurer he was during the Fraser years.