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The Wallabies Thread

Discussion in 'Rugby Discussion' started by KOB1987, Nov 1, 2015.

  1. Hugh Jarse Rocky Elsom (76)

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    If we have a perfect call, but the Thrower can't hit the mark, or the Lifters/Supporters can't get the Jumper to the mark, then all is to naught.

    A lineout is a very complex bit of machinery requiring all the enablers (Call, throw, lift/support, jump, delivery/completion) to be executed with precision.

    A successful lineout is engineered.
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  2. Langthorne Phil Hardcastle (33)

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    Before we worry about who will be playing, let's hope we get the coaches we need.

    Chieka and Grey are locked in I presume. What about Ledesma?

    Larkham now goes back to the Brumbies I guess.

    So we need a backs coach for sure. Hopefully not a scrum coach (please stay Mario). What coaches have the All Blacks got? Who can we get who is as good or better? First priority should be to get whatever coaches Chieka wants.
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  3. Seb V Tony Shaw (54)

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    Who was the Reds attack coach in 2011 when the Reds won the super XV?
  4. Hugh Jarse Rocky Elsom (76)

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    Lineout Coach, Kicking Coach and Halfback Coach needed.
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  5. Seb V Tony Shaw (54)

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    I'd like to see a new lock step up and in either Mumms or Simmons place. It would be great is we could teach Fardy to scrummage at lock in the next couple of years.

    Also Ita Vaea in the back-row, some destructive running would be handy.

    Also I thought TPN was really good this tournament, I'd think about a new Captain just so we can start him.
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  6. Seb V Tony Shaw (54)

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    Holly shit a kicking and catching coach has been needed for years now. How have we not pouched some-one from the AFL yet.
  7. Marcelo Ken Catchpole (46)

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    Because Victoria is another country and they don't know WTF is rugby
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  8. louie Desmond Connor (43)

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    Getting Lord Laurie as a forwards/breakdown professor would be ace
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  9. cyclopath Stirling Mortlock (74)

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    Vaea could be good if they can get him, and keep him, fit. Watch with interest at how the Brumbies use him next year.
    I think there is some overly harsh judgement of Simmons - he has plenty to offer and I can't see why Cheika et al cannot extract more from him.
    Some of the touted alternatives need to step up and stamp some authority at Super rugby next year - I think many positions will be wide open and Cheika et al are just waiting to be impressed.
    I'd be surprised if Ledesma goes immediately - I thought he had eyes on the Argentina top job, but after their RWC it would be hard to see Hourcade going anywhere just yet. I hope we can keep him for a while yet.
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  10. dru Simon Poidevin (60)

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    Cheika played heavily on his call that all players selected in the wider squad would get picked if they shaped. They all bought into it. It will be harder for him to pull that off next time. Fortunately most top line players who didn't make the 23 are moving on, or will be in a better spot following the leavers.

    So difficult, but expect it again. And like this time, Cheika will find depth next season by building it.
  11. Hugh Jarse Rocky Elsom (76)

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    Not needed. The part time unpaid intern Coin Toss Coaching Consultant across Skype has done the job.
  12. wamberal Michael Lynagh (62)

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    Double post, sorry.
  13. Rugbynutter39 Paul McLean (56)

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    I don't get the leaving out AAC, Kepu, Giteau etc from named side.as my understanding is with the rule change as SA and other sides who have allowed to pick overseas players they will pick their best side - regardless of whether playing in Australia or overseas (as long as fall within 60 cap and X years of service rule)
  14. the sabanator Ron Walden (29)

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    Going way, way ahead to 2019 (age in 2019 in brackets)..

    1. Sio (28) - looks like he has the talent now to possibly be our best ever prop. Like any young player he has things to work on but the sky looks the limit. Could have well over 50 caps by this point and be entering his prop-prime.
    2. Hanson (31) - with Moore on his way down and TPN always a chance of an injury, I think we'll see Hanson racking up a healthy amount of test caps before 2019. Probably our form hooker of SR this year, Hanson can seriously play and with some extended time in gold could become one of the world's better rakes.
    3. Tupou (23) - the first sort of a stretch call. He looked good in Premier Grade this year, has been an absolute bullock for Qld Country and his running game looks legit. With Paul Alo-Emile going elsewhere and Holmesy getting long in the tooth, I think Tupou might be our future at THP. Probably our most uncertain position going forward.
    4. Simmons (30) - cops a lot of flak but was generally very good at RWC 2015. By this stage could be a centurion caps-wise. Obviously has stuff to work on his game.
    5. Douglas (30) - back in Australia, back in gold. Will have to overcome a fairly serious knee injury but his mongrel will serve him well in this new era of Australian rugby.
    6. Lolo Fakaosilea (24) - hasn't really had his chance yet in Super Rugby but was rated as better than Sean McMahon while they were running around at school. A high workrate, big hitter type player, I think he could thrive in the professional game once he earns his chance. Obviously McMahon will probably get the first shot at the 6 jumper once Fardy moves on and has some runs on the board already.
    7. Hooper (27) - already a 50 test cap player at 23, will be a centurion by the time we hit Japan. Would like to see him add more pilfering to his game but he was superb in the RWC Final, like he has been for most of his time in gold.
    8. Pocock (Capt.) (31) - the world's best player right now, if he can stay out of injury trouble Pocock will notch up a century of caps and put himself on Australia's Mt. Rushmore of players with Eales and Co. I think Pocock will be captain by this point. He puts the team on his back and will get experience in the same role at the Brumbies.
    9. Stirzaker (28) - This jumper will be Nick Phipps' to lose but I think Stirzaker might have more upside as a player. His passing game is excellent, has the right amount of niggle for a halfback and is a crafty player.
    10. Foley (30) - Grew in stature all throughout the RWC and has started to put in more and more consistent performances for the Wallabies. Kicking has grown to be a strong suit for him. Has a mortgage on the gold 10 right now, but Jack Debreczeni looks to have talent in spades and Quade Cooper will return from France eager for another shot.
    11. Andrew Kellaway (23) - one of the best schoolboy players of recent years, Kellaway has big raps on him and the Waratahs might even play him in 2016 with Naiyaravoro moving on. Highly talented and could be a long term player in the Wallaby backline a la Adam Ashley-Cooper.
    12. Matt Toomua (29) - unlucky not to play more of a role in this World Cup due to the return and superb form of Matt Giteau, but Toomua will be both a Brumbies and Wallabies leader moving forward. 10/10 defender, excellent ball handler, good kicker and an ample runner, Toomua could also end up being a Wallaby flyhalf if Foley and Co. don't turn out.
    13. Tevita Kuridrani (28) - never really regathered his 2014 form in 2015 (possibly hampered by injury), but finished a superb try in the RWC Final to put Australia back in the winning picture and has all the makings of an excellent Test centre. Some more pressure on him from other alternatives would be good to push his game to new heights, but really excited about what the future holds for TK.
    14. Henry Speight (31) - I think we've only scratched the surface of Speight as a test player. A bustling ball runner at his best, work with Bernie Larkham at the Brumbies will help him develop (hopefully) a kicking game and a better ability to read and insert himself into the game. Others will challenge for the wing spots (Horne, Tomane, even Chris Kuridrani at the Reds) but for now Speight is my bet.
    15. Israel Folau (30) - hard to believe Izzy will only be 30. The 15 jersey is his unless mungo ball rears its ugly head and tempts him back, which I think gets more and more unlikely as he plays longer in union. Izzy loves the international stage which loigue simply cannot offer.

    16. ?
    17. James Slipper - already Australia's most capped prop, the Reds skipper will likely have a ton to his name by this point.
    18. ?
    19. Will Skelton (27) - Still only a really young player, perhaps Skelton has been rushed into the international game before he was ready. Another 4 years should see him round into a better player and an asset into the Wallabies if he can stop doing dumb shit and use his size as an asset.
    20. ?
    21. Nick Phipps (30)
    22. ?
    23. ?

    We're going to be saying goodbye to a lot of guys who (somewhat unfairly) will be lumped in with one of the least successful periods in Australian rugby history - Palu, McCalman, AAC etc. New blood will come through. The best part is that we have sorted out our coaching fiasco and actually have some adults in charge. Hopefully the game grows from strength to strength, we develop our young talent and we're primed to bring Bill home in 2019.
  15. Hugh Jarse Rocky Elsom (76)

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    I don't necessarily agree with all the players listed above, but love @The Sabanator's premise that there will be players from recent U20's and Schoolboy teams like Fakaosilea who will be in their early to mid 20's that will be seasoned Wallaby veterans in 2019.

    Even though we are getting out "Pathway To Gold" management better, there will be some players in Gold at the Japan 2019 RWC that are not on the top of 2015 Keyboard Selectors Clipboards.

    The NRC will help uncover those bolters, and the enhanced Super 18 comp will finesse that talent.

    It's hard to think of the likes of the Pooper being Elder Statesmen of Club Wallaby.
  16. Pfitzy Tim Horan (67)

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    To pinpoint areas that let us down this RWC:

    1) Moore's throwing. We had 2 lineouts in the AB half in the first 40 today, and lost both. He also had several poor throws at key moments earlier in the tournament.

    2) Genia's box kicking - got us a try today, cost us field position in this and too many other games

    3) Tevita Kuridrani in general - this guy just didn't continue to deliver unfortunately. I'm not sure if its just that the game plan was modified and he wasn't part of it, or whether Giteau at 12 took away from the dynamic he had with Toomua/Lilo at the Brumbies and Wobs. Some great hits in contact, but too often was a weak point in defence.

    4) Simmons' lineout - his work around the park has held steady, and at the scrum (though Douglas appears to have added real starch here - Reds scrum will be mean next year even if nothing else is more than timid). But where oh where is this lineout general I am promised? The throws aren't his fault. The not jumping most definitely is, because communication is key. The lack of steals from our lineout also points to a lack of "read" which I thought is something he'd bring.

    5) The lack of bench use in the backs. Understanding Cheika's preference for Beale, I thought today, Toomua should have been given his shot at 12 when Giteau went down early. That was the entire reason for Toomua being there, after all, and he could have really helped straighten the attack and give a different slant to it.

    6) The game plan - again with the understanding that Cheika had only 12 months and a dozen Tests to imprint his DNA on the team. But we need to have something other than "chuck it to the second channel" because against a team that can commit minimal numbers to the breakdown, its a gift. The turnover count was something like 18 to 14 their way, and the ruck turnovers would have been about even.

    Anyway, things to work on for us. 2016 will be bigger and brighter.
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  17. The_Brown_Hornet Michael Lynagh (62)

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    I have absolutely no doubt that Cheika will find ways to improve these boys bit by bit over the next couple of years. We've seen him do it several times now, so it's no fluke. The guy is in the top echelon of coaches globally. I back him to make these guys great.
  18. louie Desmond Connor (43)

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    Whens Cheika contracted too?
  19. Slim 293 George Gregan (70)

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    I've said it before and I'll say it again.....

    I don't comprehend how our lineout could be this bad when we've got Moore, who has for a number of years been a consistent excellent lineout thrower at international level, as well as Simmons and Fardy - jumpers who ran the two best lineouts in Super Rugby.....

    I will not be surprised to see these players return to their Super Rugby teams and continue their excellent lineout form there....

    It seems to be a coaching issue in the Wobs as none of the combination are working for whatever reason, and points to the possible need to bring in someone tidy this up because the amount of opportunities we squandered was pathetic.
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  20. Hugh Jarse Rocky Elsom (76)

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    As long as he wants.

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