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Tour of India

Discussion in 'Cricket' started by Braveheart81, Jan 31, 2013.

  1. Kenny Powers Charlie Fox (21)

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    Also can someone please explain to me what it is 'High Performance Manager' is / does?

    Sounds to me like they are the sporting teams equivalent of the Human Resources Manager, an overhead with no added value interfering in matters that don't concern them, creating drama to justify their empire.
  2. barbarian Nick Farr-Jones (63)

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    See I think you are commenting on things you have no idea about here. How do you know what Mickey’s strategy is? How do you know this exercise wasn’t followed up with extensive work on tactics and team performance?

    Which ties in to my take on the situation, which is that it is very hard to judge from outside the walls of the team room. Was this a one-off, or symptomatic of larger attitude problems within the team? Because that is key to the whole situation. This may well have been the straw that broke the camel’s back. Given their sloppy performance in the last two tests you’d have to think these issues have been brewing for a few months. But I don’t know these things, so can’t really say for sure.

    And I am not ready to heap shit on Mickey Arthur. This is not the first Aussie side to struggle in India, nor will it be the last. We performed admirably against SA and Sri Lanka this summer, and I am not willing to forget that in a hurry.
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  3. Braveheart81 Rocky Elsom (76)

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    I think that there have been ongoing issues and they decided to bring it all to a head with this incident by standing down four players.

    It might be disastrous for an already terrible tour of India, but the thought will be that we have back to back Ashes series coming up and if we don't get our house in order, things will only get worse.
  4. The Red Baron Nicholas Shehadie (39)

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    Fair call. We are both speculating here though.

    Let's just agree to disagree for now.
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  5. mark_s Chilla Wilson (44)

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    I am becoming a broken record, but my point is that there would be many ways of bringing the issue to a head before standing down with public humilation of the individuals and the team. Why not just fine them heavily?
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  6. Torn Hammy Johnnie Wallace (23)

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    Players will have to adapt to the long overdue change in the mangagement of the team.

    Change is always difficult for everyone concerned, but the days of Warnie telling the trainers how much exercise he will do before he has to have a durrie are finished.

    Cricket is light years behind other sports in many areas for various reasons, so what is happening is a good thing in my opinion.

    The big mistake as I see it, is that Clarke is casting himself as part of the management, rather than as leader and part of the playing group. Arthur and Howard will move on with the corporate kudos of change merchants, whereas Clarke will be left with the blame for the bitterness and pain of this process.
  7. I like to watch Simon Poidevin (60)

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    I just don't understand how they can be living in each others pockets,eating and training as a team daily.
    And a deadline seemingly so important to the management slips by, without a word of warning or a gentle reminder to those yet to complete their assignments.
    Seems like a crap way to manage a unit if you ask me.
    If there is a problem, address it.It's not good festering and ambushing people that you manage.
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  8. barbarian Nick Farr-Jones (63)

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    From the News Ltd press this morning:

  9. barbarian Nick Farr-Jones (63)

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    Another good article from Robert Craddock:

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...d-jame-pattinson/story-fn67x2wp-1226595871861
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  10. No4918 John Hipwell (52)

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    Good articles Baa Baa.

    My problem is the way it was handled with the admission forms and other indiscretions were ignored for so long and now suddenly, it appears without warning, they have had enough. This should have been addressed before the tour or after. Take the team into a room and tear them to pieces and say it will not be tolerated again. Now there are players humiliated and singled out, possibly resenting others who have gotten away with the same behaviour and unrest in the team likely high. The haphazard way they sent players over in batches while some were still playing for their county would not have helped so wait until the tour is over.

    In my view this lack of discipline could have arisen from a rotation policy that sees players and even the captain come and go. They are regularly working under a couple of captains so if Clarke is fit he needs to be the captain if he wants the culture to improve. Few players are likely confident of being there from game to game and the toll that takes on the players mentally should be considered.
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  11. Rob42 Ron Walden (29)

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    How do you know all the previous stuff was being ignored? The fact that it hasn't all been detailed in the press doesn't mean it was being ignored within the team.
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  12. No4918 John Hipwell (52)

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    From the first article:

    The exact offenders are not known, but Clarke and Arthur became increasingly fed-up with the minor breaches they believe are undermining Australian cricket's professional standards.

    Dumped paceman James Pattinson yesterday admitted his demotion with Shane Watson, Mitchell Johnson and Usman Khawaja was the culmination of on-going conduct issues.

    Underlining the attitudinal issues, Australian hierarchy had become so conditioned to players not completing a 'wellness' form they were taken aback when every member submitted one over the weekend.
  13. No4918 John Hipwell (52)

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    When the heirarchy is surprised that every player submitted a form on the weekend for the first time it gives the impression they have not been taken to task for failing to complete them previously. I could well be wrong though.
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  14. mark_s Chilla Wilson (44)

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  15. mark_s Chilla Wilson (44)

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    The test is starting shortly (and theoretically, we can retain the B-G trophy by winning the last 2 tests). No team announcement yet but all reports indicate Wade is still too injured (and he definitiely will be rested if they stick to their rotation policy).

    So that leaves 12 and the choice of who misses out. It will presumably be one of Doherty or Maxwell. Doherty will theoretically bring more variation in attack while Maxwell has better batting prospects. I'd probably select Maxwell given our batting is weak while also telling Smith he will probably need to contribute some overs despite being picked as a sepcialist batsmen.

    Clarke will presumably go up the order, so I expect to see something like:

    1. Warner
    2. Cowan
    3. Hughes
    4. Clarke
    5. Smith
    6. Haddin
    7. Henriques
    8. Maxwell
    9. Siddle
    10. Starc
    11. Lyon

    The ordering of positions 5-8 could be quite different though depending on the mood of the day.
  16. Braveheart81 Rocky Elsom (76)

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    I think Maxwell and Wade are the two players missing out.

    There was an article on cricinfo saying that Arthur had a long chat to Maxwell who then looked dejected and then he didn't join Lyon, Doherty and Smith who had a discussion about spin bowling with Rixon.
  17. The Red Baron Nicholas Shehadie (39)

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    And to make matters worse, it is raining in Mohali. To have any hope of retaining the B-G trophy, we need a result in both remaining tests.
  18. Braveheart81 Rocky Elsom (76)

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    I like your confidence, but personally I think a fair amount of rain is good for us in the hope of salvaging a draw.
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  19. The Red Baron Nicholas Shehadie (39)

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    Well here is the 11:

    Warner
    Cowan
    Clarke
    Hughes
    Smith
    Haddin
    Henriques
    Siddle
    Starc
    Lyon
    Doherty

    Maxwell is 12th man.
  20. Braveheart81 Rocky Elsom (76)

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    So Watson has had his kid and he's named his first born son after former New Zealand cricketer Willie Watson.

    I have to say I'm a little surprised by the choice.

    I do love Willie Watson's bio on cricinfo though.

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