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Wallabies v Ireland, Saturday 16th June, 8.00pm, AAMI Park, Melbourne

Discussion in 'Rugby Matches' started by KOB1987, Jun 12, 2018.

  1. KOB1987 Tony Shaw (54)

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    While I'd be happy to see no change from the first test side I'd make the following minor adjustments:

    1. Sio
    2. Latu
    3. Kepu
    4. Coleman
    5. Rodda
    6. Samu
    7. Hooper
    8. Pocock
    9. Genia
    10. Foley
    11. Koroibete
    12. Beale
    13. Kuridrani
    14. DHP
    15. Folau

    16. BPA
    17. Robertson
    18. Tupou
    19. Simmons
    20. Tui
    21. Timu
    22. Phipps
    23. Hodge
  2. RugbyReg Phil Waugh (73)

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    Latu in the fix that line out I’m assuming???
  3. KOB1987 Tony Shaw (54)

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    Yeah or even to just create some discussion about it! The lineout did go a bit better when he came on but maybe it's worth sticking with BPA if he's seen as the better longer term option.
  4. Derpus Greg Davis (50)

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    3rd or 4th option over the ball, too.

    Doubt he's fit enough to start.
  5. Braveheart81 Rocky Elsom (76)

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    I reckon Cheika will be very tempted to trot out the same team. Pretty much everyone played well.

    If Arnold is to come into the side I think it is for Rodda. I can't see Simmons being replaced on the bench because I think he's the second lineout caller.

    I think BPA will be retained and having another week should really help him with his lineout work. It's easy to forget how little time he would have had training on the lineout during the week.
  6. Up the Guts Ken Catchpole (46)

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    Poite doing the officiating I believe.
  7. barbarian Michael Lynagh (62)

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    I wouldn't change the team at all.

    BPA was sneaky good on the weekend, he slowed up a tonne of Irish ball without being penalised. Timu never really got a chance with ball in hand, but his defence and ruck work was good too.
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  8. RedsHappy Geoff Shaw (53)

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    Test II Ireland v Australia June 16, 2018

    Referee: Paul Williams (New Zealand)
    Assistant 1 Pascal Gauzere (France)
    Assistant 2 Marius van der Westhuizen (South Africa)
    TMO Ben Skeen (New Zealand)
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  9. RedsHappy Geoff Shaw (53)

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    What really impressed me re Test I and answered my pre-game question - what has the Wallaby coaching team learnt since June 2016's disaster if anything? - was the obvious calibre of improved technical coaching in virtually all aspects of Wallaby play bar kicking from hand (which apparently is an impossible skill to teach Australia's elite rugby players) and line-out.

    There was a clear, consistent game plan that (largely) worked - tick
    Defensive structures, technique, offensive defence, intensity of application across whole squad - tick
    Technical skills in ruck work re effective clean-out, use of pods, good turnover rate, etc - tick
    Low error rate in passing accuracy and speed, knock ons, dropped balls - tick
    Coherence and discipline of 'total attack' (vs our classic 'one outs' reliance on a few stars and the rest a mess) - tick
    Tolerable rate of penalties yielded - tick
    Capability to play at high intensity for 80+ minutes - tick
    Scrum - solid to outstanding - tick
    Cheika cutting the counter-productive hyper-emoting, ref-blaming and seeming calmer (ie, way better for balanced team temperament) - tick

    If the above Wallaby coaching capability as rendered in the team's performance is broadly sustained in Tests II and III we will start to look like a consistent team that can (a) consolidate our wider rugby fan base's desire in buying Test tickets and (b) move towards being credible for a chance at a BC win in 2018 and (c) ditto credible for a solid RWC '19 performance.
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  10. Up the Guts Ken Catchpole (46)

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    My bad Poite has SA and England, thankfully.
  11. Derpus Greg Davis (50)

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    So i wonder, what would we consider a successful series? We've already secured a win against the second best team in the world, which is a much better start to the last two years.

    I always want the Wallabies to win obviously, but how good would a series decider in Sydney be?
  12. Braveheart81 Rocky Elsom (76)

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    I think I'll be happier (and a lot less stressed) turning up to watch a dead rubber.
  13. wamberal Steve Williams (59)

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    Absolutely. A clean sweep would be wonderful. Two up in the first two games is almost as good as a sweep.
  14. Joe Blow Chilla Wilson (44)

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    Having watched the game again it looked as though Timu was very good defensively and quite effective at the lineout. He will be better for the run and will carry the ball well when the opportunity comes.
    I think it might be worth giving TK a run at 13. Samu K. was ok but did make some telling errors in defence and was at times lost in attack. He also did some good things but TK will be more consistent in general and add to our new defense mantra. The only other change I might consider would be reverting to a 5-3 bench and including Maddocks or Banks for 20 minutes at the end of the test.
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  15. Derpus Greg Davis (50)

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    Do you flick Samu or Tui?

    I think we have more to gain by having both of those boys coming off the bench and keeping the intensity high than we do bringing Maddocks or Banks in.
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  16. Up the Guts Ken Catchpole (46)

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    I’d stick with the same team 23 (perhaps swap Latu with BPA or Tui for Timu but no real need imo) as I see it being the same sort of tight physical contest which the guys last Saturday demonstrated they were up for. If we can get a win then change it up a bit in Sydney with some more attacking options like Banks/Maddocks on the bench.
  17. barbarian Michael Lynagh (62)

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    We were burned a bit by the 6/2 split at the end of the game when Beale went down with a shoulder injury.

    He had to stay on the park when he clearly didn't want to be there. Made a couple of tackles in that time too, but it could have been really bad.
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  18. KOB1987 Tony Shaw (54)

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    That's true but it was probably as much a function of the fact that we'd used all our subs as it was the 6:2 split.
  19. Derpus Greg Davis (50)

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    Yeah, just don't use Hodge unless necessary. That's the point of being a utility back.
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  20. Zero_Cool Ron Walden (29)

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    Um, do we just never jump at any line-out ever?!
    We can not have Samu, Hooper and Pocock in the same back row, even if we have the best line-out locks in the world, quality can only take you so far without quantity.

    Cheika isn't going to make any changes to the XV, but the only spots he'd think of change are where the bench player players themselves into the XV or out of the 23.
    Tupou is probably the only bench player who might be getting off the bench, there is a very slim chance Hodge comes in at 11 for Koro, and even slimmer that Simmons comes in somewhere to sure up the line-out.

    The bench will probably go back to a 5/3 bench perhaps dropping Simmons given he had 6 tackle attempts and 2 misses, but Tui is the low hanging fruit. Not sure who the back who comes in to the 23 but likely Jack Maddocks because of his versatility.

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