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Andrew Slack (58)
It looks the likely outcome.

Lots of questions. Who will coach them? Will they split their home ground between Johburg and Bloemfontein? They did well for one year under Laurie Mains and then procedded to fall to pieces.

Be that as it may the Kings will likely be a disaster. They can't even beat a third string Sharks team.

At best they are going to pick up the players the Cats don't wwant and a few returning journeymen from up north.

http://www.keo.co.za/2012/05/18/bookies-back-sa-merger/#more-100719

You can bet on the Cheetahs and Lions playing as the Cats next year.
Voltbet.com is offering odds of 1-1 on this happening, with 5-2 odds of the five existing SA franchises playing again next year (ie, no Kings), 5-1 odds of all six SA teams getting in, and 6-1 odds on the Kings coming in for the bottom-placed Lions. Less likely, according to the bookies, is that the Kings merge with another team (10-1) and a team other than the Lions makes way for the Kings (50-1).
A recent article on keo.co.za said a return to the Cats would be the best way for Saru to accommodate the Kings next year as both Johannesburg and Bloemfontein would continue to have Super Rugby (four home league matches each).
Saru met with the five existing SA franchises on Thursday, but were again unable to come up with a solution. They will meet again on Monday, with a final decision being made at a general council meeting on 13 July.
Saru CEO Jurie Roux said that ‘everyone agreed that we must secure a solution that does not damage the existing franchises’, which suggests no team will be relegated.
Saru would not confirm that the Kings were still guaranteed their place in the 2013 Super Rugby tournament, which had been given to them after all 14 unions voted in favour of their inclusion at a special general meeting on 27 January.
 

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John Thornett (49)
Yep this Kings side will be a disaster by the looks of things.

The Cheetahs definatly wouldn't want to merge you'd expect, they are starting to become a genuine side that is pretty competitive.
 
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TOCC

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Im not sure what the TV Ratings for those two sides are, but given the crowds and on-field performances, it does tend to make sense..

It is however difficult and problematic merging two teams from such vastly separated geographic areas.
 

p.Tah

John Thornett (49)
Do we know why the SARU promised the Kings entry. Did the government force their hand? Why couldn't they wait until 2015 and build up their systems?
 

Bowside

Peter Johnson (47)
I feel for the cheetahs. They are just starting to get a team together that could have a tilt at the title.

Why not merge the lions and bulls into one super province.
 
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TOCC

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Do we know why the SARU promised the Kings entry. Did the government force their hand? Why couldn't they wait until 2015 and build up their systems?

from the outside, there seems to be a lot of political influence internally and externally in regards to the SARU..
 
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Waylon

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The government may pour a load of coin into the Kings. I think the pressure is coming from higher up than the SARFU to get them in?

I can see a bright future for the Kings. The enormous talent, speed and athleticism of the Africans could be something very exciting.

I'm looking forwards to it.

The Cheetahs and Lions have been making up the numbers for a few years. An amalgamation may help them to some success? No doubt the politicking will be disruptive
 

Brisbok

Cyril Towers (30)
Do we know why the SARU promised the Kings entry. Did the government force their hand? Why couldn't they wait until 2015 and build up their systems?

The Kings (or Southern Spears as they were initially known) are a team from the Eastern Cape in South Africa - said to be the home of black African rugby in South Africa. In order to grow the game among the African population in South Africa, the government is heavily behind this union.

In 2006, SARU was bidding to host the 2011 RWC and in an attempt to get the government to support their bid, they promised that they would provide a place for the Kings (Spears) in Super Rugby. Obviously New Zealand won the right to host the world cup and this promise was basically swept under the carpet.

Then in 2009, in the bidding for the 2019 World Cup, SARU once again asked the government to get behind their bid, and once again promised that the Kings would be given a place in Super Rugby if the government supported their bid. Japan won the right, but basically the government are now putting heavy pressure on SARU to follow through on their promise.

The rocket scientists that are running SARU, (the same guys who get bullied into making ridiculous board room decisons by JON), promised that the Kings would be given a place in Super Rugby, without ever having a legitimate plan for how this would happen. The date for the Kings entry to Super Rugby has been set for 2013 (from a promise made in 2009). We are now into May in 2012 and SARU are still no closer to coming up with a solution for how this will work and how it will effect the SA teams.
 

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David Codey (61)
"Saru met with the five existing SA franchises on Thursday, but were again unable to come up with a solution. They will meet again on Monday, with a final decision being made at a general council meeting on 13 July.
Saru CEO Jurie Roux said that ‘everyone agreed that we must secure a solution that does not damage the existing franchises’, which suggests no team will be relegated.
Saru would not confirm that the Kings were still guaranteed their place in the 2013 Super Rugby tournament, which had been given to them after all 14 unions voted in favour of their inclusion at a special general meeting on 27 January.."http://www.keo.co.za/2012/05/18/bookies-back-sa-merger/#more-100719
..........So they have it all sorted!
What a circus!
How could the Kings possibly have a remote chance of being successful either on or off the field in 2013.
 

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Andrew Slack (58)
The government may pour a load of coin into the Kings. I think the pressure is coming from higher up than the SARFU to get them in?

I can see a bright future for the Kings. The enormous talent, speed and athleticism of the Africans could be something very exciting.

I'm looking forwards to it.

The Cheetahs and Lions have been making up the numbers for a few years. An amalgamation may help them to some success? No doubt the politicking will be disruptive

I predict two fuckups of biblical proportion.
 

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
Dunno about the Katte and wont read much into Keo because he is one of the BIGGEST anti Lions dose you'd get and for a good reason. The latest means the Lions have a few in house problems to solve.
http://www.thenewage.co.za/51087-19-53-Franchise_dispute_may_cost_Lions
The Kings look set to replace the Lions in next year’s Super Rugby tournament regardless of where the Johannesburg side finishes on the log.​

This is if the South African Rugby Union (Saru) implements a decision that was made at their last executive council meeting which stipulates that the Lions will be “automatically relegated” if they do not resolve a long standing dispute with their estranged franchise partners – the Pumas and Leopards.​

According to official documentation in possession of The New Age, the Lions have until the end of this season to come to an agreement with their partners who this week confirmed that negotiations relating to the repayment of outstanding broadcasting fees have failed.​

“Our endeavours to resolve this matter out of court has been unsuccessful and we have been left with no choice but to arbitrate,” Leopards president Andre May said yesterday.​

Lions president Kevin de Klerk insisted that the union would deal with the franchise partnership issues on a separate platform as it has no influence on their plight to retain their Super Rugby status.​

However, Saru documentation that was approved by the 14 unions that – in a unanimous vote encouraged the inclusion of the Kings – stipulates the following: “After they had considered the dispute between the Lions, Pumas and the Leopards and the failure of the parties to resolve the matter by December 2, 2011, the Executive Council at a meeting held on January 17 agreed to deal with the participation in Super Rugby 2012 matter as follows: Lions would participate in Super Rugby 2012.​

The impasse between the Lions and the Pumas and Leopards needs to be resolved by the end of February 2012 and until the matter is resolved:​

a) Broadcast revenue payments are to be withheld from the Lions​

b) Payments of R750k each be made to the Pumas and Leopards​

c) Automatic relegation from Super Rugby at the end of 2012 Super Rugby competition for the Lions.​

The argument that the Kings decision was made under the impression that a 16th team would be included holds no water as the same representative unions approved the multi-million broadcasting deal that was presented by Sanzar in 2010.​

Saru, the Kings and the current SA teams participating in Super Rugby met in Johannesburg yesterday to find a solution to what has become a pressing matter for all parties involved.​

“It is a complex issue with no easy answers and we are determined to leave no stone unturned in finding that answer,” Saru CEO Jurie Roux said in a statement.​

“A number of options were discussed but there is currently no preferred alternative to recommend to the General Council.”​

Another meeting between the relevant parties is scheduled to take place on Monday even though yesterday’s meeting was not sanctioned by the Lions franchise partners.​

“The Golden Lions were represented in today’s (yesterday) meeting, not the Lions franchise partners and along with the Pumas we have voiced our concerns to Saru on this matter,” said May.​

May is GMans boet, maybe we should get him here and explain to us.
 

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
Keo Kings connection
www.rugbybanter.com
Highbury Safika Media (HSM) is a publishing house boasting a portfolio of over 30 magazine titles and numerous online publications. Amongst these are SA Rugby Magazine and Keo.co.za – the website of Mark Keohane and other SA Rugby writers such as Ryan Vrede and Jon Cardinelli.

Keohane has been a public figure since his days as Springbok Communications Manager under the ill-fated reigns of both Harry Viljoen and Rudolph Streauli, until he resigned in protest over SARFU’s handling of the Geo Cronjé racism debacle involving Quinton Davids. Keohane went on to publish a book about the episode and the state of the Springboks in general, and was widely criticized by Springbok players (most notably Corné Krige) as deliberately attempting to sow division within their ranks and to undermine SA Rugby in general.

In recent times Keohane has been busying himself in the extensive business interests of HSM, as well as media relations of other entities, such as Jake White’s Winning Ways – a business partnership which ended in a heated law suit, kept hushed away out of the public sphere. Even more recently, however, HSM -and Mark Keohane in particular – were awarded the contract to manage the media, marketing and public relations of the South African Sports Confederation and Olympic Committee (SASCOC). The awarding of this contract was never put up for tender, as is standard government procedure, but was rather awarded directly to HSM (although Keohane states that normal application took place, the fact remains it should have gone to tender).

And this is where the Keo connection begins to reveal itself.

During his time at SA Rugby, Mark Keohane worked alongside the likes of Rian Oberholzer (President of SARFU), Songezo Nayo (Managing Director), Gary Grant (Marketing Director) and the current president of SASCOC – Gideon Sam (Springbok Team Manager).

All four names mentioned above are currently directors of sports marketing company Accelerate Sports, with Gideon Sam being appointed as Chairman. Gideon Sam also serves on the Lotto Distribution Board, but excused himself when dealing with the funding grant to SA Cycling, a grant from which Accelerate Sport received commission to the tune of R 26 million – a blatant conflict of interest.

Accelerate Sport, through their subsidiary Access Facilities and Leisure Management (AFLM), were also awarded the contract as operations manager of the Nelson Mandela Bay Stadium. It is reported that this contract brings in a whopping R 600 000 a month to the coffers of Accelerate. It is the duty of AFLM to source events to be staged at the stadium to generate revenue and keep the stadium sustainable.

And here the connection between rugby and Accelerate begins to become clear.

The contract between AFLM and the Nelson Mandela Bay Metro states that, above the R 600 000 a month, AFLM are to be awarded performance bonuses based on the revenue they generate, providing this amount exceeds R 12,5 million a year. The structure of this bonus is as follows:

The Operator will be paid 10% of any amount above R12.5 million but less than R15 million, and then:

· 12.5% of any amount in excess of R15 million but less than R20 million;

· 15% of any amount in excess of R20 million but less than R25 million; and

· 20% of any amount in excess of R25 million.

It is thus blatantly clear that it is in the best interests of Accelerate to find events which will draw spectators, such as concerts etc.

But what better way to ensure constant revenue, week after week, than playing host to a top tier sports team. If only the Eastern Cape had one.

But wait, Accelerate have strong ties to SARU, they do after all boast an ex-president in their ranks. Would it at this point seem ludicrous to suggest that Oberholzer, Sam, Grant and Nayo used their previous connections to SARU to, excuse the pun, accelerate the Kings’ inclusion in Super Rugby so as to ensure that their business interest was being looked after, leading to SARU’s shock announcement at the Heyneke Meyer press conference about the Kings’ guaranteed inclusion in Super Rugby for 2013? Surely not.

So where does Mark Keohane fit into all this?

Keohane has recently stepped up his anti – Lions rhetoric in his articles, and while not directly naming the Kings in his most recent one, it is clear where his views emanate from. The vested interest he has in servicing his ex-colleagues at SARU (SASCOC contracts etc.) has clearly skewed the views of an already overly opinionated man.

But wait, there’s more.

After the establishment of the Kings, the son of Cheeky Watson - president of the Eastern Province Rugby Union (under which the Kings operate) – Luke, was brought back from Bath to play for the Kings. In May 2011 HSM (with Mark Keohane again at the forefront) announced that it had decided to enter into the field of player management, a first for the publishing company. Furthermore it was announced that their first client would be none other than Luke Watson. Queue the Mark Keohane propaganda machine.

The cover of the very next SA Rugby magazine was adorned by – yes, you guessed it – Luke Watson, with the rather flattering caption “Return of the King”. This was to be only the start of the Keohane marketing hype surrounding Watson and the Kings.

At the same press conference where SARU dropped the Kings bombshell on an unsuspecting audience, Ryan Vrede, a HSM journalist, asked Heyneke Meyer if Luke Watson – a player languishing in the second tier of SA Rugby and who hasn’t been in Bok contention since mid-2008 – was a contender for the position of Springbok captain. These blatant attempts by Keohane to force the name of Luke Watson into mainstream media while he has done nothing to get it there serves to illustrate the hidden agenda and inherent corrupt nature of a man who has lived off the rise and fall of others for far too long.

Not only has the media machine being rolling for Luke Watson, but others being managed under yet another Accelerate Sport company – In-Site Athlete Management – have been enjoying a rise in publicity in SA Rugby magazine as well. Willem Alberts received some ego stroking in May 2011, as did another In-Site managed player -Joe van Niekerk - in March 2012, with the article stating that he is playing the best rugby of his career at Toulon. Buttering him up for a big money move back to SA perhaps?

It is clear that Keo’s connection into Accelerate stretches deep, with an “I’ll scratch your back you scratch mine” policy which benefits both sides. Gideon Sam made sure he looked after Mark with the awarding of the SASCOC account, Mark in turn ensures that the business interests of Accelerate Sport and its stakeholders remains in the mainstream media, and they all walk away happy.

The reason why Keo has gone on a Lions bashing campaign of late should come as no surprise when taking the above into account. Mark Keohane is no longer a journalist; he hasn’t been for quite a while. He is a businessman with a platform to promote his interests and those of others close to him, a platform which he uses selflessly and without shame.

He is a wolf in sheep’s clothing. He is the worm in the apple, and the rot starts with him.
 

kiap

Steve Williams (59)
Guys, The Coke Tin stadium is in a shithole part of town, is it not?

This may be a side issue, but the Lions have had no joy there for the best part of 15 years. Are there any other reasonable stadiums (with say 30k+ seats) in better locations within Joburg that could be used & be capable of attracting a full house of fans?

I'm thinking this could help even if the Lions were merged and they only had 4 Soup Rugby games in town each year. It could still set them up with a better base with some hope to build on if they returned to the comp in 3 years time.
 

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
Guys, The Coke Tin stadium is in a shithole part of town, is it not?

This may be a side issue, but the Lions have had no joy there for the best part of 15 years. Are there any other reasonable stadiums (with say 30k+ seats) in better locations within Joburg that could be used & be capable of attracting a full house of fans?

I'm thinking this could help even if the Lions were merged and they only had 4 Soup Rugby games in town each year. It could still set them up with a better base with some hope to build on if they returned to the comp in 3 years time.
They have a few options, Poofball Stadiums.

Coke Tin never bodder the real RooiBonte fan.
 
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