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Where to for Super Rugby?

Discussion in 'Rugby Discussion' started by Quick Hands, Mar 5, 2017.

  1. Jimmy_Crouch Trevor Allan (34)

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    I've talked about part of our commitment to support tier two nations each super rugby team should be required to take on a couple of development players (we have done this with Japanese players in the past). Have a draft of players who want to nominate and agree to pay them all the same. They wont be top line players but it will get them into a professional environment before they go home. Clearly now we cant afford this but maybe WR is willing to throw in some $$$.
  2. The Honey Badger Peter Johnson (47)

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    Best post over the last 800 pages
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  3. qwerty51 Jason Little (69)

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    Gotta laugh at the people suggesting NZ aren't warming to a TT. As if they have other options currently.
  4. ForceFan Colin Windon (37)

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    For the want of repeating myself - it's becoming obvious that the way forward is (in no particular order):

    Lower the sights, aim for success, focus on timezone, reduce the amount/cost of travel, don't try and fix everybody's problems, slow and steady growth from the grass roots, seek more corporate sponsorship, competition managed by professionals not amateurs, ensure that media coverage is readily accessible and affordable (to as many people as possible).
  5. half Colin Windon (37)

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    Cough cough cough, puts on steel helmet for protection.

    Question without notice to the TT guys, the twiggy guys, the Australian National Domestic competition folk.

    My question is why are you so certain about what will happen if what you say is put in place.

    Consider the “”” Nobody Really Cares Competition”” put in by Pulver & Flower. Both established within six months and neither despite all the fanfare and promises went within light years of achieving their potential and promise.

    I have always maintained we needed between 4 & 5 years to establish a sustainable competition, with broadcasters and sponsors. My thoughts have not changed.

    Let me ask, a few questions, has RA produced a flexible discussion paper inviting various stakeholder groups to consider???? Has RA developed a process of fan engagement to build upon???? Has RA developed a broad range of rugby groups i.e official’s refs, lines people etc/ coaches / players / fan groups / key sponsors ????? has RA invited key stakeholder people to discuss various opinions i.e. Papworth, Twiggy, etc ?????

    My guess is they have not.

    So, consider this, Sydney run its Shute Shield, Brisbane similar, Newcastle / Central Coast, ACT and so on, with a kinda champion of champion series at the end. Use this time to listen develop listen some more. Then develop over two to three years a sustainable model.

    Then implement the model.

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  6. ForceFan Colin Windon (37)

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    GRR already has an Australian representative team the owner of which is contributing to the cost of the competition.
    Growth was to come after consolidation of the initial 6 team season.
    Difficult to see a GRR competition in 2021 due to:
    • ongoing CV19 issues.
    • instability in China and Hong Kong.
    • likelihood that no International flights into WA until mid-2021 (at the earliest). (Maybe flights from NZ???)
    Likely that 2021 will have many of the uncertainties of 2020.
    Perhaps it will be another year of Super Rugby Au??
  7. Adam84 Chilla Wilson (44)

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    Argentinian players only accept lesser salaries when playing in Argentina, like Aussies, Kiwis and Saffas who sacrifice larger overseas contracts to play at home. Once players decided to leave their home country, you are now competing against European and Japanese clubs, not the salary which they are earning in their home country.

    Yes i agree there are a handful of Fijian players who could be approached and brought across, but with the NRC and Fijian Drua concept now dead that talent identification pathway is also dead. I think the European players willing to play in Aus is far and few between when you consider they will be on minimal wage.

    I think people need to accept the reality that the broadcast rights value are going to be slashed, the money on offer for players is going to be drastically less. The most cost effective way to fill out these squads in line with the new budgets will be through promoting club players, not recruiting foreigners. However, there is an absolute limitation to the depth of club playres
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  8. KOB1987 Andrew Slack (58)

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    I think for next year it just makes sense for both RA and NZR just to do the 5 x 5 TT thing, see how it goes and then tinker with it from there. There are very few options in the current environment that are easy to implement, Broadcasters get a look at the product and the viewership and can then value it. If it doesn’t work it doesn’t work, but there’s very little to lose and it could be a resounding success and provide a blueprint for the future.
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  9. Omar Comin' Chilla Wilson (44)

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    But there's not that many spots available for Argentinians in the top European leagues. They're non Kolpak. Argentina has as many registered rugby players as Australia does yet many less professional players. There just isn't enough opportunities for them. Given the Australian season is shorter and aligns with the RC I think there's a natural fit there. We could sign 5-10 of their best under 20's every year cheaply.

    And the Fijian Drua has really just become the Fijian Latui in GRR so I don't think that pathway is gone. If we end up going with our own competition I'd rather that team just play in it as a Fijian side. But if we are in a TT tournament we should sign the cream of that squad and work with the Fijian union to maintain some pathway.

    As for the European players, there would be those attracted to the weather, lifestyle, new experiences, and much shorter season on offer in Australia. We've seen guys like The Beast and Bastareaud play in the US for example, presumably on a lot less than they could have made in Europe.
  10. hoggy Jim Clark (26)

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    Possibly the only real option, but you then have to be careful like Super rugby it quickly becomes entrenched not because it is the best option moving forward, but the self interest of those involved.
  11. KOB1987 Andrew Slack (58)

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    That’s true but it’s impossible to come up with a format that extends beyond the pacific at this stage so they may as well just run with that for 2021, see how it goes, and take it from there.
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  12. zer0 Dick Tooth (41)

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    Where's my f*cken big wig executive salary? I can run this sh*t show from a run down hole in Onehunga.

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  13. Wilson Chilla Wilson (44)

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    I think this is the right answer, and the way they'll go, but there is an issue with trying to handle player contracting on what would be a singe year broadcast deal. If they can work out a way to get through that year intact it does open up an opportunity to really benefit on the 2022 and onward broadcast deal, particularly if the home world cup has firmed up.
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  14. ForceFan Colin Windon (37)

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    No competition is going to extend to the Pacific if there is even a trace of ongoing CV19 issues.
    Unless teams such Fiji, Samoa and Tonga base themselves in NZ or Oz. At whose cost?
    That's the challenge GRR faces in 2021.
  15. dru Andrew Slack (58)

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  16. KOB1987 Andrew Slack (58)

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    Agreed for now, but I was inferring that's the maximum foreseeable limits for 2021
  17. Wilson Chilla Wilson (44)

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  18. Slim 293 George Gregan (70)

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    I don’t like the sound of that cough, and you seem to be delirious with fever...
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  19. waiopehu oldboy David Wilson (68)

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    I'm surprised that it's only a bare majority in favour of TT & can only assume that the other 48% haven't thought about the long-term economics of SRA.
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  20. Derpus Steve Williams (59)

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    It's an option - but i think if we fall back into amateurism it'll be decades before we get back out of it.

    It's not palatable from my personal perspective either. I occasionally go watch Norths primarily to have a few beers in the sun, but that's it. If it was the only rugby available i'd probably just stop watching rugby.

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