Dwyer’s View: All Blacks way too good

Bob Dwyer August 20, 2012 132

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A near full house at ANZ Stadium was full of expectation. World champions New Zealand against the Number 2 team, Australia’s Wallabies. What a disappointment for all of us!

Will Bob mention Higgers?

The All Blacks were rusty and, with lack of timing and finesse, they created many more chances than they actually converted into points. They could have, and on another day would have, scored at least three more tries and the scoreline could have been embarrassing. Unfortunately for us, the fundamentals of their game are firmly intact and the chances that went begging yesterday will not go astray for much longer. I’m afraid of the likely outcome next week in Auckland!

Australia were rusty also, but the fundamentals of our game are sadly awry and, on the evidence of our performances over the last couple of years, we will not be able to fix it in a week.

The problems of our game at the fundamental level include the following.

1. Our backline attack is non-existent

For example, from the scrum – the best attacking opportunity in the game – the law demands that the two lines start about 15 metres apart – two lots of five metres plus the width of the scrum. Our fly-half stands about another three metres back, thus giving even more territory to the defence! Then, he either catches and passes standing still or stops to pass the ball, either way helping the opposition in their aggressive defence.

Cross-field running is endemic – we actually line up facing across field on the angle. In one play, from a lineout on the left touch line, we were forced into touch on the right wing, in one phase. This is pathetic!

In general, our play is so wide and so deep – thus playing into the hands of the defence – that support play and second touches are virtually impossible. ‘Width’ does not equate to ‘space’.

2.  Ball from the tackle contest is clearly not wanted

I have lost count of the number of times an amateur coach, the man-in-the-street, has questioned me about the futility of deliberately slow ball from the tackle contest.  These observers, and thousands of other supporters, are clear in the value of quick ball.

In commentary, Tim Horan noted that ‘the only time the Wallabies have looked dangerous all night is when they get quick ball’. Indeed, it seems that the only people in the entire world who do not understand the value of quick ball are the Wallabies coaching staff and players.

Will Genia has massive innate ability and most of it is wasted by his ‘insistence’ – that’s the only accurate word – on slowing down the use of available ball. Bridging over the ball at the tackle is designed to protect the ball from opposition hands but, in fact, what it delivers is an excuse for slow support and an impediment to initiative.

It is a losers’ philosophy! And it’s ours!

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  • Jon Cooper

    Scratch Wallabies insert Waratahs. That article could of been written 3 months ago about the Tahs. Our victories over the Welsh have lulled into false sense of confidence. My questions are too many tahs and was Genia game slowed due to lack of re-alinement.

  • RedsHappy

    Bob, that Deans is a poor national rugby coach for Australia is unarguable on any evidence-based analysis of the totality of his 4.5 seasons here.

    My sole hope for 2012”s season was the ARU-enforced clean-out of Dean’s hapless assistant coaches (appointed as they were by Deans) and the retention of some new ones, and McGahan on paper looked as though some value might be added to the Wallabies in this manner.

    However, my anxiety was to rise again when in recent days I noted McGahan emphasising the ‘defensive structures’ as his/their coaching priority – remarkable as Phil Blake’s 2010/11 work on Wallaby defense was the only notable and successful contribution made by the then Wallaby assistants and Blake was sacked in early 2012.

    No discussion from Deans or his assistants arose regarding the calibre and intensity of Wallaby attack, oddly so given the poor quality of our attack vs Wales. Further, since 2008, the Wallabies have appointed no properly designated specialist attack/backs coach. This role has been assumed by Deans himself.

    I waited and watched on Saturday hoping to see technical and skill improvements in any important aspect of Wallaby play, potentially crediting the new assistants (a la what McKay and Taylor invaluably brought to the Reds in 2010/11). Alas, there was none. In fact, as you observe, if anything we are seeing further deterioration in Wallaby standards from 2011 into 2012.

    As before, I am left to ponder how vast, severe and enduring must be the crisis in Wallaby-land before the urgently required radical changes in management and coaching will be made.

    • Gnostic

      I would add to that the remarkable interview Deans did where he abrogated his responsibility in this result (as he has done in the past) saying essentially that the game plan had been executed well be a few players would have to take responsibility for the result. (Interview on 7 News).

      • RedsHappy

        Blaming only the players and ‘their’ mistakes and errors for game losses is a 4.5 year long Deans’ hallmark.

        He has never once, not once, in this period taken any form of personal responsibility nor admitted any form of coaches’ error or failing in discussing Wallaby losses or ‘disappointing’ performance. Bled 1 on Saturday was no different.

        There are compelling economic implications in this as it infers the ARU could save a fortune by eliminating coaches and merely paying for part-time selectors. Maybe even the results would be better.

  • Red Kev

    Nice summation Bob, I hope you didn’t have to sit through a replay of that match before writing it up.

    I wrote this after the Samoa game last year:
    “Well if there’s one lesson to be taken from the Samoan match … it’s this: If you pick losers, they will lose.
    That probably sounds harsh but it’s the simple truth. There were six Brumbies starting, a franchise that has its worst ever season and couldn’t score tries all year … Losing is habit forming. These are players that are used to losing. And lose they did.”

    Replace “Samoan” with “New Zealand” and “six Brumbies” with “eight Waratahs” and it sums up tonight’s match. One year on and Deans has clearly learned nothing.

    Next week’s match is looking like a bloodbath.

    • Robson

      It’s not one year on RK, it is all but five years on. But to give Deans the benefit of one year’s leeway (which is what I naively gave him to start with), I guess it’s only four years.

      To be given four years to prove that you are not up to the job and then be given another two on top of that must be the most gold plated contract that ever existed.

    • Ads

      I’m amazed we are still getting the “its cos there are too many tahs” stuff. They were ALL crap. Higgers, Genia, Beale, Robinson – every province excelled in failure. The stench of festering turd was overpowering. The thing that drives me INSANE is how they cannot catch and pass and execute the basics. WTF DO THEY DO ALL DAY?!

      • BloodRed

        Strangely enough they can do all that when playing for the Reds and this year the Brumbies. Both of those teams value quick ball. Both have 10s getting multiple touchs. Both play at the advantage line. Both play with some adventure and intelligence. Both seem to have a game plan.
        Not enough Reds, not enough Brumbies, TOO MANY TAHS.

        • Ads

          I don’t disagree with any of that, but think it is not the choice of players but the coaching. Higgers was crap. Finger was crap. It is not too many tahs. We need 1 more tah actually. Ewen.

  • rae1

    Brilliant breakdown bob.You are probably the one aussie coach that I both admired and feared during your tenure as aussie coach. At times your Wallabies turned our ABs inside out. I have no such feelings when it comes to deans. When he left to take on the role as aussie coach all I thought was “they dont realise what theyre doing”. He was rubbish when he was an all black assistant coach and he coached a super rugby team that was so good in their day they could have coached themselves. John Mitchell has been exposed and now its his mate Robbies turn.

    • Seaweed

      Thanks Rae, and good luck to the Blacks. You’re so right – we used to out think the opposition (or try to!!) Now we just get out thunk…

      • rae1

        lol,just sharing the love bro

  • Pedro

    Do you feel Quade should have been there? It seems that perceived injury concerns can’t be the reason he was left out when Drew Mitchell and Beale were considered match fit.

    I also agree with red kev when he cites winning or losing culture as something that should be considered when selecting players. The fact that so many tahs were picked is of real concern, both reds and brums showed that they can match teams with multiple players missing. With the experienced players standing up and the green ones trusting their game plan.

    It’s time players are rewarded for the work they put in for their club, not that they are incumbent or on paper look better. In particular Moore was arguably Australia’s best player for the entire s15 season yet misses a start in the place of a good yet notoriously inconsistent alternative.

    • rae1

      When watching nz sports news Brendon Cannon suggested that there was something personal going on between Dingo and Quade.He did not elaborate on it but he was pretty sure there was something more to the axing. Maybe thats the reason he left him out.

      • Dave

        Growden is that you? I generally like Brendon Cannon, but it must be said he loves a good gossip.

        However leaving Quade out for the reasons he stated was nonsense considering Beale was fielded with, I think, less game time in recent weeks than Quade.

        • rae1

          Nah mate just a kiwi with both eyes open lol

      • boutbloodytime

        Deans has problems with QC?!? Giteau?!? Who’s next….my guess is it will be whoever next breaks rank & tells Deans that he’s not up to the job.

        • rae1

          Yeah deans has a tendancy to take things personally,he did it to christian cullen,george smith and as you stated giteau.Ends a players career prematurely.Still cant get over the fact that george smith and matt giteau were discarded pre world cup DUH! made me breathe a little easier.

    • BloodRed

      Bravo Pedro

    • Patrick

      Happily, the man has twitter to let us know how fit he thinks he is:
      https://twitter.com/QuadeCooper/status/237338713930219520

      Note that this was after Saturday’s game!

      • johnny-boy

        That’s what I like about Quade. He doesn’t shit from Richie McCaw and he doesnt take shit from Robbie Deans. So there we have it, Deans, a kiwi Wallaby coach out there lying thru his teeth to the Australian public. Who does he think he is, some sort of kiwi bludger …

  • Robson

    Genia hatching the pill at the back of the ruck and looking around like a meer cat while the ABs blast over it infuriates me almost as much as all the pre game “spin shit” coming out of Camp Wallaby.

    When the Wallabies took the ABs to the cleaners during the first half of the Tri Nations final last year, they played like men possessed.
    Where did that fire and passion come from? More importantly where did it go to?

    Whatever the formula was for producing that first half effort has to be found again, because absolutely nothing less than that will do in Auckland next Saturday. Only next time it’s got to be for 80 minutes not 40.

    As much as there is a risk factor with Cooper in the mix next weekend, it is also the only “X” factor there is. It’s futile adopting a defensive policy against a team that can score tries from anywhere when you can’t score them yourself.
    Cooper gives us that capacity – Barnes doesn’t. But Barnes provides other options that are important so they both need to be there.

    Tapuai also needs to be in at o/s centre. He’s creative, strong and resourceful. Faainga looked out of his depth both defensively and on attack. Also Wallace-Harrison should be partnering Sharpe at lock with Moore at hooker and Beale on the bench. Maybe Beale out of the 22 altogether for this trip. His head space is rented out to another issue right at the moment.

    It looks impossible in Auckland next Saturday, but that is just the way it looks. Sometimes looks are deceiving and since nothing lasts forever a chance – slim though it may be – for the 26 year drought to end this weekend looms.

    • Chucka

      “Where did that fire and passion come from? More importantly where did it go to?”

      His name was Dan Vickerman and he has had a career ending injury!! There isn’t anyone in the pack with any mongrel that is willing to belt into rucks or get into a bit of push and shove

      • Dave

        I think Elsom must be mentioned in this regard as well. Although not the player he once was he would have been an asset on Saturday.

        • Chucka

          Fully Agree!! Surely there must be someone out there in wallaby land that has a ruthless streak???

        • Jay

          Elsom’s so crocked he’s failed a physical in Japan – don’t think he’d be much help.

    • Jimbo81

      It started and ended with the Reds winning teh Super 15 the week earlier, and having Horwell captain the side (firing everyone up and leading by example).

    • Sledgey

      Throwing in someone with “more mongrel” in them will not work against the All Blacks, never has and never will, it just pisses them off more to play harder, ask the Spring Boks?
      Basics is what’s needed, passing, tackling, ball handling and controlled set piece play……Basics!
      Starve the possession and keep on rolling, hell the best example are the All Blacks themselves, keep it close and tight and the opportunities will present themselves

  • Matt NT

    Not a fan of genias slow ruck speed (a hand-me-down from Gregans last days) but in his defence most of the time he’d look for the back line or forwards and they simply weren’t there. The Aussies were simply lazy.There is no other explanation. They only time the aussies commited to a ruck it was already won and secure. We’d have 6 wallabies lying on the ruck with 2 kiwis. Then genia would pass and suprise suprise they were 13 kiwis ready to pounce on 8 lost flatfooted wallabies. Sure its good not to panic but show some urgency please. Strutting around like peacocks getting into position then standing flat footed every phase never wins games. And run some angles you morons. Drongo deans can’t play for them but he is a major part of the selections and the fucking coach so he has to take the blame. Sack him and let some other bloke start from scratch. If we loose players like sookface because of the change of direction in the team I won’t loose any sleep. Can someone explain to the wallabies body hieght. Higginbottom was the worst for this. Put your head down and run goddamit. Hit a ruck low, not standing up. Endless examples of a bunch wallabies standing upright in rucks getting pushed back by two lowset kiwis. If been a rugby fan all my life (there is no other game). I’ve already given up on the waratahs dont make me have to give up on the wallabies aswell. That is a big statement even in the barren years in the 70′s and parts of the 80′s we may not have had the muscle be we had heart and the smarts. Now we may have some heart and muscle but no smarts. I know I’m rambling but I have to purge myself of these thoughts. The performance on saturday night deserves this type if vitriol. Thank god for the Woodies in the shute shield otherwise I’d have to killl myself.

    • The Other Dave

      It seems so clear what we need to do: Quade at 10, Barnes at 12, AAC at 13, then either Shipperley or Mitchell at 14. And give them some bloody structure.

      The whole reason for Genia resembling a meerkat is that he doesn’t know where his options are. Further more the flat, wide, one-out, league-style play that Bob alludes to doesn’t work in Rugby for so many reasons, and it makes us so prone to error. In contrast, New Zealand play such basic football – their ‘in tight’ is exactly that, and their backs know where each other are going to be. It works so well, even when they have off nights like they did on Saturday.

      Once again, Bob is on the money – any chance of helping out the hapless ‘Tahs (again)?

      • footy44

        I reckon you put Bob in charge of these guys and we would be questioning his ability and calling for his scalp after a few months.

        I’m not the biggest Deans fan it must be tough picking a side when the players show such little consistency. We all know that everyone in the match day 22 can show flashes of brillance when the stars align but only a couple guys show any consistency.

        Give Cooper a run out of desperation and hope that he is over the WC yips. I don’t think we can risk not having 3 back reserves to give Deans a few options when someone has the inevitable shocker!!

  • Wes Force

    Another good article Bob, I passionately agree with two of your quotes, being:

    1. “I feel that some players are just not up to this level – and, in my opinion, probably never will be”; and
    2. “Our 10, 12 and 13 are individually and collectively ‘basic’.”

    The players who are being selected, and I emphasise “selected”, in these positions are not able to do the job required. The selectors are NOT picking a team capable of performing and succeeding at this level. The selection policy of picking the same players who have failed over the past 5 seasons is, in definition, insanity.

    Until new players are selected who are capable at these positions, we will continue to see the same script unfold.

    Wallabies Selectors, give your selves an upper-cut. It’s time we replaced the selectors, who in turn will replace the players.

  • Dally M

    If i was Quade, i’d be saying “Thanks, but no thanks Robbie. I’ll sit this one out unless you are going to pick a decent team & give us a game plan.”

    • Pie Thrower

      If Quade is selected he is on a hiding to nothing. 60,000 screaming All Black fans booing every move he makes won’t exactly make it an easy reintroduction to test match rugby. At a ground we haven’t won at for 26 years, and after that performance on Saturday. Stitched up!

  • Roscoe Tims

    I agree 100% with you on this Bob. The team and tactics need a complete revamp. We’re just repeating mistakes from the past. We don’t need damage mitigation, we need to take the game by the throat. The only way we can do that with our current playing resources is to take a few risks + inject a bit more passion. The headline this Sunday will read “Eden Park Massacre” unless we do this. It’s going to be ugly…

  • canuckruck

    Nice assessment Bob.

    As a relatively impartial observer of the Wallaby rugby condition, as coached by Robbie Deans, I would have to say Robbie Deans is clearly past his best before date. I have been on the side of the Deans supporters for a long time, not really having “a dog in the fight”, way over here in glacier entombed Canada. I put the “haters” hatred down to Aussie v Kiwi rivalry.

    However comma if my U14 rugby team was this consistently inconsistent I am certain my sons and the rest of the team would ask (or hint to) me to step down as coach (and i would). Hell I’d want to, in order to spare myself the shame and to give the poor troops a new start or a fighting chance.

    This clearly is not working for the Wallabies.

    As a Wallaby supporter in the Rugby Competition formerly known as the Tri-Nations, it kills me to see the Wallabies get talked up and then fall down so frequently. If I find results so painful, I can’t imagine how excruciating it must be for Australians.

    I will pull my Wallaby shirt out for next Saturday, but I will probably only wear it in my house…it is looking ominously ugly if things continue down this road.

    I don’t intend this to be negative to Australians or Australian rugby, but clearly change is required. Enough is enough.

  • jimmy

    I should just cut and paste a post from 4 years ago although that would be taking the easy way out like the Wallabies do every week. So I’ll type it again.

    Deans has to go. The side is just getting more stupid and less motivated…every year it gets worse. I’ve never known a Wallabies coach to be given a 5 year tenure. Connolly got 2, the others won World Cups and got less time. Give me a break.

    • footy44

      Good point Jimmy – somethings not right within the team.

      Maybe changing coaches should not be seen as such a big deal. It happens pretty regularly in NRL and does not necessarily mean the coach has no ability but things within the team have gone astray. Look at Kearney – had a good record with warriors and has struggled at parra. As soon as they made a change we see a lift in form at parra.

      Hansen also struggled as Wales coach but they made the decision to get rid of him. How long does ARU persist with Deans.

    • boutbloodytime

      ‘Lazy’, ‘consistent inconsistency’, ‘lacklustre’…for me, these are all symptoms of a side that has lost confidence/faith in their coach OR has no idea what the coach is attempting to impart to the players…and if the coach can’t impart a coherent game plan & then design/train a consistent skill set to implement that plan, then how can the players be expected to execute it in a game?!?

      If provincial coaches can get a result with players who are so off their games now, then it’s not an unwillingness or lack of ability in the players…the players that are performing aren’t being selected & it’s becoming so obvious that the national coach isn’t able to man manage or communicate with the players that he has selected.

      He’s more than happy to accept credit when we win (eg 3-0 against Wales) but more than happy to drop the players in the shit when they get rolled.

      I would have loved to hear an honest response in a press interview like: ‘The ABs caught us napping with their rush defence & sending ‘shooters’ out of their line because we didn’t practice against that possibility in the 3 week lead up we had training together, even though they used the same tactic against us in the RWC2011…same goes for the breakdown’…

      This cryptic shit we keep hearing from Deans is bloody ridiculous…’Play what’s in front of you’ is about as coherent as the teachings of a buddhist monk saying to a 10 year old kid, ‘You’ll know it when you find it’…

      If we keep persisting with this clown then it’s lambs to the slaughter for the Wallabies at Eden Park unless they do what the French did to Mark Lievremont…One can only hope.

  • Damo

    Change everything! Coach, players, game strategy. It couldn’t possibly make things worse.

  • ooaahh

    is there a social media petition anywhere to rid ourselves of deans and this rediculous lack of game plan at the highest echelon? If not there shoudl be.

  • Dovester

    I hate to say it but I’m starting to agree with you Bob RE: Higginbotham. I counted 4 successful tackles and 3 missed tackles for him during the game. Even if he made all of those tackles, seven is simply not enough for a flanker. He should be doubling that. Why not give Hooper, who’s no stranger to a good bit of ball handling, a run at 6. Then Quade in to 10, Barnes to 12, Slipper into the scrum, and Dennis at 8. Not even going to entertain the possibility of Mowen as there’s more chance of Deans recalling Elsom or something horrible like that.

    • Red Kev

      I must admit when I saw that photo in the main story with the caption “Will Bob mention Higgers?” (which made me laugh) and then saw Bob’s comment “Higginbotham was incidentally but unsurprisingly was positioned down the right wing” I was surprised. Mainly because until he dropped that ball in the 32nd minute I wasn’t even aware Higginbotham was on the park – I’d love to know what happened to the player that finished top five in Australia’s Super Rugby Player of the year polling because he so poor on Saturday night it was like he’d become a Waratah.

  • http://stuandrews.com Stu Andrews

    I thought we played okay.

    Oh, hold on. No. That was our fourth grade game against Balmain on the weekend.

    • Who Needs Melon

      Are they busy THIS weekend?

  • Harden up

    The question that should be asked is what can we take from the game and what needs to be fixed. There was a whole lot of poor performances in this game and a few guys should be dropped -in order of how terrible their performances were. I would like to farewell: Horne ( was terrible in attack and defense, he isn’t good enough!!!), Beale (everyone saw he wasn’t at his best and needs some time to get fit and passionate and the national team is not a place for that (we want to win!!)) Robinson (is really turning into the “fat cat” and is really lazy around the park). Another that had a poor game (Although not bad in the line out), but I’m not sure what to do with is Higginbotham, I wish he would hit some rucks or run in the inside outside channel , “YOU ARE NOT A WINGER!!”. I know it looks great when he is storming down the wing, but really he is there to play 8 or 6 and that’s not his job. On that point, everyone needed to play their positions, otherwise there is always a hole or a missing link and our game will always look substandard and poorly structured.

    There needs to be a realization that some people just don’t play well in some positions. Ant Fainga’a is not an inside centre and i hate to say it but we really missed Pat McCabe. Ant is an outside or off the bench player. And AAC can play anywhere but his best games are probably at FB (or maybe OC). We need a FB and OC that can tackle!!!!!!

    The couple of positives were, Timani was quite good, when the blood wasn’t running from his face. The scrum was much better when he was there and Simmons was rubbish when he came on (surely Hugh Pyle should get a run off the bench). Sharpie was good as always, can we clone him!! the only bloke who seems to have a bit of passion. and I also thought Dave Dennis played pretty well at 6.

    We also have to remember that there were still chances to win that game in the second half and if we had worked as a team we could have pulled that rabbit out of the hat. It wasn’t the ref or sir Richie that took the game from us it was our own team……

    Harden up boys and stop whinging. Go out there and bash some kiwis and have some fun doing it because I’ll still be cheering for the Aussies.

    • Mart

      Agree with a lot. But do not drop Beale!

      He needs to get back on the horse.

      Dropping him would ruin his confidence

      He is class

    • Red Kev

      Sorry but you can’t describe Simmons as crap when he was on the park for 8 minutes as a blood and then concussion replacement. Of those 8 minutes the ball was in play for 3 of them. You are just parrotting the scapegoat line that many do about Simmons. He is actually a very good lock, and without Nathan Sharpe the Wallabies need Simmons. He comprehensively out-played Pyle and Neville and Carter and Fardy, twice this year. He also demolished Clarke and Retallick let’s not forget.

      • Robson

        Couldn’t agree more, I don’t know where all this anti Simmons stuff comes from.

        • Harden up

          My comments are based on the scrum performance when he was on. He was on for 3 scrums and each scrum was demolished. Timani came back on and the scrum held firm.

      • Mart

        I disagree on Simmons. I think Fardy, Pyle and the other Melbourne second rower…
        All are more dominant than Simmons.

      • Steve

        RK, I can agree on Simmons round the park, but the scrum seems to noticeably weaken when he comes on.

        It may have been a one-off, but I recall Simmons coming on at one point at the same time as Moore replaced TPN. We were demolished in the resulting scrum on Simmons’ side.

        As soon as Timani was back, the scrum magically came good. I think of him in the same vein as Sam Carter – oodles of promise, but maybe needs a couple more years to build.

  • Mart

    We have the players.

    Pick an attacking backline for farks sack.

    Be proactive not reactive.

    Fuck it have a crack.

    9 Genia 10 QC 12 Barnes 13 AAC (the best outside centre in australia) Digby, Mitchell, Beale.

    That backline will create opportunities.

    The one on the weekend will not! And did not! I think that was fairly clear to everyone. But 1 person.

    • Mart

      And where the hell is Occonor??

    • bobas

      Horne and Ant F must go, when was the last time they bust a tackle or put a pass out in front of someone. They were picked for their defence, which was adequate but not good enough when you cant offer anything in attack. Marts backline above looks good but i’m worried that Mitchell will be underdone throw him in with a 4-3 bench split. We should again have subbed earlier, proactive not reactive TPN was on too long if he’s gonna start sub him prior to half time and tell him its coming so he goes hell for leather for a good half hour).

      I’m not saying that this cost either team anything but no tackler rolled away.
      Meaning it was easier to slow down the ball defensively and cause holding on to the ball penalties.

      • Mart

        Agree with the Mitchell call. Shipperly would be fine. Is Occonor fit?
        Mitchell to bench. Either way it’s a more attacking backline. And why isn’t AAC played at outside?
        I think Horne is fine, But AAC is 10times better.

        • Canab

          No o’connor is not fit, still liver damage from when he got smashed ~4 weeks ago (ish).

  • FORCE FAN

    Bloody hell……have just returned from overseas and finally got to watch the game. And the Boks v Pumas game (hate the Pumas new jersey – love the traditional one).

    Yes, the Wallabies were totally outplayed by the ABs but what a crock o’ crap effort put up by our national Team.

    The Sharpie-phobes from the earlier discussion need to have a close look at themselves as ONLY Sharpie and Diggers warrant selection for the next match in Auckland. We need to get Diggers close to the action – move him into the Centres. ALL other positions are up for grabs but our talent pool is very limited.

    The rest were missing from the opening whistle.

    Higgers continues to disappoint at this level where his seagull tactics/capabilities are exposed.

    Horne continues to wait for the ball to be delivered to him on a plate and does none of the hard stuff.

    I’ve come to reaslise that just like Richard Graham with the Force, Deans continues with a game plan that the players just don’t enjoy playing it’s just too far away from their normal game.

    The Wallabies looked under-prepared (despite the lengthy training camps) and played without any intensity and passion.

    The very flat line of attck is too predictable and requires precission that the Wallabies continually show that they are unable to deliver.

    I support all of the coments about too many happy loosers after this game (esp Beale who had a shocker!!!).

    With a bit of lucjk we should win a couple against the Pumas (but not even sure of that).

    Rebuild time….give me a team of passionate youngsters (and fewer Tahs) rather than this group who continue to show that playing for Australia (and getting well paid to do so) means nothing to them!!

    Deans continues to show that he is incapable of motivating this group and creating a winning game plan.

    Stop believing our pathetic main stream media hype…..Time for significant changes!!!!

  • richard

    Red Kev – “replace samoan with nz” – I hope your not going back to the old pi debate, are you? I always find it funny how you ozzies think we don’t have a right to use these players, considering, with very few exceptions, they are born and bred nzers.

    In the current abs side, there are only 3 players with pi descent- mealamu (half maori) ,nonu and sbw ( half euro).Contrast this with an oz team that started with kepu, polota-nau,ioane,timani and faingaa. Thats a third of your starting team, not including palu and genia.If it wasn’t for all the talent oz steals off everyone else, you lame fucks wouldn’t win any games!

    • canuckruck

      Richard,

      I’m on the other side of the world and I’m tracking on Red Kev’s comment. Clearly you are not.

      Keep reading until your lips stop moving. You might need to read it more than once.

    • Dally M

      Wow. Way to miss the point & go off on a race rant!

      He was referring to what he wrote about the game against Samoa & saying you could replace the words Samoa with NZ (as in the opposition).

      And we are the the lame fucks eh bro? At least we can read!

    • Red Kev

      Are you an idiot?

    • Ads

      Hi Richard, is it ok if i call you DICK?

    • Jay

      Insert facepalm jpeg…

    • Brax

      Comprehension not your strong suit Richard?

    • slayer

      fail

    • Pie Thrower

      Ha ha ha gold Richard. Pure gold. Oh what?? You weren’t joking? Oh. Still funny though bro. Funny how stupid you are.

      Now why don’t you go back to a NZ rugby forum so you can raise the average IQ of this forum and that one as well.

  • Thierry Dusautoir

    I disagree about higginbotham i think he is very effective in a team that utilises him properly however the lack of gameplan from the wallabies does not present him with the same level of opportunities for him to attack on the fringes. He is a confidence player he gets a good run early he starts pumping but also Barnes does not know how to utilise him effectively but that is not his fault. Higgers if used as he should be (as a wide runner and aerial threat) is definately our best No. 8 option but if deans wants to play a slow tight forwards game he needs to drop higgers and bring in mowen & drop kepu (dont rate him anyway) and bring in palmer or holmes

  • Skippy

    People need to appreciate Genia is a world class player and I’m sure he fully understands and appreciates ‘quick ball’. He is only doing what the coach and the game plan(if there is one!) dictates. It is quite clear that whatever patterns of the play the Wallabies are suppose to be playing under Deans’ instructions involve rebuilding and consolidating possession depending on the ‘team move’ whether this be after one phase, two, three or four. And when the Wallabies haven’t scored, earned a penalty or made a break from their pattern of play, they slow down, rebuild and go again.This is what Deans wants and this is what Deans wants Genia to do.Can everyone please wake up and get off Genia’s back over this.

    Genia understand’s quick ball but all teams play to patterns and at times this requires slow ball…the reality is, there is no point picking it up and firing off a rocket pass if no one is there to receive it, are too deep, or no one is expecting it because its not what they’ve been taught to do(i.e. play to a pattern usually involving the committed but slow and ineffective Sharpe hitting it up in mid field to re start momentum).

    It’s just unfortunate that the lack of any effective patterns of play, set moves etc in the Wallaby team under Deans see’s Australia play and have to play the slow ball scenario all too often. I’ve no doubt Genia, Cooper etc want to play quick ball, and play very differently to how Deans has got Australia playing. Bring back all the things we were the best at the world at for decades – angles, decoys, flat attack/alignment, creating backline and back row moves to create overlaps, cause confusion in defensive lines, catch defenders one on one etc.

    Deans is the problem. Not Genia.

  • Skippy

    And when I say Sharpe is ineffective that just the reality of his performance. He is the best we’ve got but he never breaks the line, never creates an offload and never troubles defenders. He just trucks it up to restart play off slow ruck ball.I respect and admire him but lets be honest.

    The truth is with the Wallabies if we are no 2/3 in the world…ask yourself how many players would make the NZ side? Pocock, Moore, Genia maybe? Diggers would be a chance.But that’s about it. And that also says it all.We are simply not good enough as individuals and Deans has too go, he’s had a good run but unless we can turn things around weare going to waste the golden generation of Australia rugby, the best generation since 1991-1999…. O’Connor, Genia, Cooper, Beale etc.

    And we need to find forwards now and get them ready for the next WC.

    • Chucka

      Pretty sure Sharpie broke the line to score the try….. But maybe not

      • Canab

        As a kiwi, if you blokes don’t want sharpie we’ll take him. (for as long as his knee hold out)

      • Skippy

        Mate your kidding arent you? Get off the grass. Sharpy fell over the line mate… one try in about 100 games. Almost as many line breaks and off loads he’s made in his career. And don’t even get me started on dominant tackles… he’s never put blokes backwards, simply falls with them in the tackle thus allowing them to fall over the advantage line and maintain go forward. (Don’t worry he’s not the only one in the team incapable of dominant defence.

        • D.

          Mate, you are way off base. Sharpe is the only forward who consistently makes it over the gain line.

          His try he busted 2 tackles to get over. He also ran a great line.

          He also averages 1 try per 13.25 games.

          You surely are watching something else. Mungoball perhaps.

    • Nipper

      Sharpe consistently gets over the gain line, probably more than any other forward (or back for that matter). He just doesn’t make highlight reel linebreaks, and when he does get over the line, often there is no support to take advantage of the go-forward ball, so it never amounts to anything. How can there consistently be a lack of support when he’s running 5m off the breakdown? It’s baffling.

  • johnny-boy

    A succinct summary Bob.
    If ever you wanted a display that Australia has the quality of players available to be No.1 in
    the world and that the All Blacks are beatable, that was it.
    The reasons are quite simple. Australia has superior athletes. The All Blacks are mainly
    rugged well drilled individuals apart from say Dagg and maybe SBW but the kiwis problem is that they are obsessed with cheating to win and panic when it’s not working.
    Australia does best when it relies on it’s superior athleticism and mental positivity. Interestingly,
    Australia also seems to attract black sheep kiwis like Quade Cooper who prefer the more
    adventurous outlook in Australia, but who would be unlikely to achieve so high in the more rigid
    negative kiwi environment.
    I thought it was a very courageous performance from the Wallabies, getting so close because not only are they burdened with players who shouldn’t be there or are playing out of position and they are being forced to play with their hands tied behind their back by a bunch of gutless ex Wallabys on the ARU board,
    with Deans as coach. It’s staggering to hear even kiwis now saying Australia should get a new coach
    and start playing rugby to their potential and stop playing like headless chooks. But what are the
    gutless wonders on the ARU board doing ?. F….. nothing !
    Mind you I was surprised to see Andrew Slack obviously getting frustrated with Deans on Channel 9 and shock horror, even John Eales seemed to express some ‘mild discomfort’. Eales is aqua plectic he’s so fearful of rocking the boat.
    I thought Barnes had a reasonably good game for him but he just reverts to kicking when tired and all else fails. Every time he goes down after a hard tackle I think, it’s only a matter of time before his wife and child sue the ARU for negligently letting him play on.
    There are two dead certs in international rugby. One is that AAC will never pass and the other is that Liam Messam will never pass. Laughingly, the one time Messam should have put his head down and gone for the line he passes and cocks it up. I will be amazed if the All Blacks will carry him any longer. He’s just a sympathy
    indulgence and a weak link.
    It’s pretty obvious, actually it’s been obvious for years that the reason the Wallabies have not been playing to their potential is that they do not believe in or respect the coach. Why did James O’Connor miss the World Cup announcement ? Why is Kurtley Beale up on assault charges after being out on the piss ?
    It’s the coach , it’s the coach, it’s the coach ! Why did Higginbotham have a crap game. He doesn’t believe in the coach and he keeps switching him between 6 and 8. Why did Anthony Fainga have a crap game at
    12 ? He hasn’t played there regularly for a year or more ? He’s been playing 13. Why ? Because there is a better 12 in Australian rugby. Ben Tapaui. Why would you play Barnes at 12 when Tapaui is twice the 12 Barnes is ?. Barnes is the ideal utility limited time backup player, if he plays at all. As argued previously,
    Pocock should not be captain.
    Why are we letting an utterly hopeless kiwi ruin the Wallabies ? Why why why why why ? FFS whose side is the ARU board on ? Why do we laud McKenzie and White for doing a great job getting the best out of their teams but at the same time leave Deans blameless for getting the worst out of the Wallabies? Are the ex
    Wallabys on the ARU just plain gutless or bone stupid ? It’s got me beat.

    • Western Rob

      Lol@johnny-boy

      “Australia has superior athletes”!!! Surely then that would be enough to beat Scotland at home… or even Samoa at home?? Lol. I’m pretty sure the ABs have never ever lost to either of those teams… even if they don’t have athletes of superiority like Aus apparently do. What a crock.

      So let me get this straight… you’ve got a coach that was the most successful Super Rugby coach EVER… then he inherits a team of ‘superior athletes’… and suddently his career goes tits up. Lol… yeah right – sounds like that’s all the coaches fault! There’s only one variable amongst all that…

      • Dally M

        Didn’t the All Blacks lose to Munster once? Shit happens.

        Yep, Deans is so good you guys said no thanks, we’ll take the recently failed World Cup Choking Coach instead. And guess what, you made the right choice.

        Deans had a very talented bunch of players that formed the nucleus of the All Blacks for years, he didn’t need to do much.

        Now he has had to actually coach, he has failed. Pure and simple. Stop trying to tell us he’s not to blame just so we keep him for another couple of years!

    • skyeblue

      @ johnny-boy so your telling me our athletes are superior…look at our super rugby teams? all crap..besides pocock so are our fowards.read, carter,nonu,mealamu are far more superior to what we’ve got.you dont work for fox do you? your the reason these air heads think they’re better than they are.you need more than muscle to win a game of rugby.you need vision and nouse two things most our players dont have.all blacks are a superior TEAM thats the differnce

    • Sledgey

      “Australia has superior athletes” oh yeah? and how’s that working out for ya?
      Athletic rugby players rate just below over ripe prawns on the “what do you fear most list” please!!!
      Athleticism is meaningless without heart and guts. I’ll take a guy who will play until he drops before an athlete any day. Andrew Hore for example, wouldn’t know what a running track was if he fell on one! Yet he’s one of the most respected hookers in NZ, why? Heart and guts!!!
      So pull your head out of your ass, it’s that same self-indulgent entitled bull shit that got your team where it is today…..in the shitter!
      The sooner people like you drop that attitude the sooner your national rugby team will get better!

      You really want to know what the All Blacks fear the most above all things…..failure in the face of their fans. Letting down the “Black Jersey” The sheer and utter failure of not performing to the tradition and Mana (spirit and strength) of that Black Jersey, that’s the drive, that’s the will and the power wrapped up in THAT Black Jersey.

      • Dally M

        If that’s true, how come they have choked so many times when it came the big occasions?

        Oh sorry, it wasn’t that they choked. They were poisoned, the match was fixed…insert excuse here!

        • Sledgey

          Never said they were perfect mate, how boring would that be?
          As for the choking on important games, seems the’ve choked a lot less in the 10 years of Bled cup than the Wallabies mate, don’t you think!
          My point was the “superior athletes” comment or should I say self indulgent gush!

      • johnny-boy

        It’s working out crap for us because we’ve got one of your heart and guts dumb asses as our coach, genius.

        • Sledgey

          So what does that tell you?
          You can’t “coach” heart and guts, it has to come from the player!
          It’s not the coach that misses tackles,
          it’s not the coach that throws a stupid pass behind his own goal line,
          it’s not the coach that misreads the play
          it’s not the coach that knocks on, fumbles a catch, panics under pressure or loses a tight head. Basic errors on the field are player related not coach induced.
          It’s not always about the coach mate! In fact after a performance like that, it’s even less about the coach and more about the collective of the players abilities (which was crap)!
          Might I suggest you stop looking for excuses like the whole “kiwi coach of an aussie team” as that just doesn’t float. It’s a professional game now, and that particular cop out excuse is just plain LAME.

        • johnny-boy

          So you’d be happy with an Aussie coaching the All Blacks then Sledgey – haha I look forward to your reply. I guess there is a mathematical possibility chance there would be one in 3 million who might not mind …..but think nucifora at auckland and taine randell bagging phil mooney at otago – gee they worked out well …..

        • Dally M

          And yet, some of these same players play much better against pretty much the same opposition, under different coaches when given a game plan and structure.

          Funny that.

        • Sledgey

          I believe the coaching depth in NZ is quite outstanding (as opposed to Aus), why would the NZRU go fishing in Aus?
          You guys whinge and whine about everything, but the obvious, your current roster of rugby players are just not up to it. (Pocock being the exception)
          Now if that’s a reflection on your ARU development style (as has been mentioned in other posts here) or a reflection of the overall depth of your player base, so be it but just stop looking for an easy scapegoat and harden up! (don’t forget to bring your tissues on Saturday or are they not soft enough because they are made from NZ trees)

        • Dally M

          Why are you even on here?

          Did you get blocked from all the NZ rugby sites or do you just have no one to talk to but the sheep?

          Last i checked this was still called Green & Gold Rugby – “…the home on the web for passionate followers of Australian rugby. We are unashamedly focused on two elements of that sentence: Australian and Rugby. You’ll find no other country’s or sport’s interest on our site.”

          In other words, take your Kiwi, Aussie bashing bullshit elsewhere because we really don’t give a rats what you think.

          You’re taking up valuable space.

        • Sledgey

          It’s a crying shame you had to go there Dally M, the rugby rivalry between NZ and Aus is legendary, so I think it only in our shared interest to see that contest continue in all its glory. (Your comments come across as rather desperate)

          Most of my comments are derived or agreed with from comments on this site from NTA and/or Joe for example (read their posts further down the page). The fact I’m an ABs fan doesn’t detract from wanting a better Wallabies team for the ABs to play against. It’s not about Aussie bashing, that would be unfair given the current predicament. I will however withdraw my “tissue” remark, and offer my heart felt apologies! You sensitive little lamb you.
          However back to the debate, given the extraordinary poor performance of the Aus Super Rugby franchises in this year’s competition, one can only hope the junior levels are given more emphasis in the development of the code, because that is where the rebuilding will come from.

      • boutbloodytime

        Slegey,

        I can accept where you’re coming from in some respects mate, but what I think is becoming self evident, even from the likes of Graham Henry, Steve Hansen & even Richie McCaw…they have ALL worked very closely with Deans & every single one of them showed their lack of confidence by their glaring lack of an endorsement for the top job in NZ rugby.

        No doubt he has a great provincial record…his international record is significantly less flattering…just like Hansen with Wales, maybe it’s an inability to deal with a cultural difference/approach or whatever…who knows, but it patently isn’t working & he’s had 4 years to work it out.

        The coach IS the key difference…the Reds, Brumbies & Chiefs being cases in point.

        To then make the argument that maybe Australia hasn’t the depth disregards & overlooks the ability of the Brumbies & Reds to match it with all comers this year & the Rebels to nick a win from the Crusaders…this shows the player depth may not be as rich as in New Zealand, but it’s definitely there…it just needs developing…and the players from the most successful provincial sides need to make up the national side.

        Under Deans, this just isn’t happening.

        Imagine Hansen selecting 8 Blues players & a couple of Highlanders to play the Wallabies…regardless of the result (which might be scary given the Wallabies’ performance last Saturday), the rugby public would be spitting chips…and I think that’s the point from the contributors on these forums…

        Give us our best available side (not made up of incumbents), pick them to play in their positions, give them a coherent gameplan & some fire in the belly & then we have a side that will actually be competitive & one we are happy to get behind.

        Regardless of where the coach comes from, if they have a 60% success rate after 4 years, they need to be shown the door…the results speak for themselves.

        • Nabley

          Boutbloodytime, there are some Blues, perhaps not 8, but certainly more than you would expect given there S15 performance. I do not know why you sledged the Highlanders, as they finished nineth well above three of our teams. Hansen did select a couple of them, Smith and Hore, both top players by any measure and I am not certain what they have done with Thomson, another top player.

        • Sledgey

          Boutbloodytime,

          “Give us our best available side (not made up of incumbents)”
          I hear that and couldn’t agree with you more!
          Good comments, cheers!

  • Skippy

    And bring in Fotu from the Brumbies for next week!

    • Mart

      Yessss thats what Ive been saying for ages.

      You wanna replace Palu bring in Fotu

  • Blinky Bill of Bellingen

    Being brutally honest. I’m finding it harder & harder to muster anymore enthusiasm for the idea of Robbie Deans at the Wallaby helm for much longer.
    At times I feel sorry for him but in war if the battles are being lost you must look at replacing the general before the damage is irreversible. Therefore Robbie must go. :(
    His replacement needs to be a motivational, intelligent coach who can look at the players at his disposal and work out a plan that will give us the best chance of a win. We also need to stop trying to play like a poor imitation of the All Blacks and start playing like a first rate Wallaby side. ;)

    • Bay35Pablo

      Blinky,

      “His replacement needs to be a motivational, intelligent coach who can look at the players at his disposal and work out a plan that will give us the best chance of a win.”

      So Link?

      • Blinky Bill of Bellingen

        Bay35Pablo – Link would be a prime suspect for the top job. ;)

        I know many of us are so damaged by Robbie that we have dismissed the idea of anyone other than an Australian being head coach.

        I also lean that way but reckon, after seeing Jake’s work in Canberra, that we may need to keep our options open.

    • jimmy

      I think your final comment is the best. why the hell are we trying to play like an All Blacks side when we had so many years of success playing our own game.

      Deans has to go – I’ve been losing interest in watching his team since ’09. I can’t imagine how many others feel like I do. This next 3 years is the biggest 3 we will see for the next 12 at least. Time to give us a chance of progressing.

      • Blinky Bill of Bellingen

        jimmy – Cheers mate. Do you remember when other teams, including the Nuns, used to refer to the Wallabies as ‘a smart team’ because they may have had less but they always managed to come up with something different?

        Bloody hell it’s been a while since I’ve seen any collective smarts in Wallaby colours. Now, as I grow older, I’m wondering if perhaps I imagined it all. Or that perhaps it was just one of those Urban Myths that you hear about.

        IMHO it’s well past time for the Wallabies to rediscover their Wallaby-ness. ;)

  • Nutta

    I enjoy your writing Bob.

    My view of the game:

    Great opening sequence. Pressured kick-off + created havoc = forced penalty = 3pts. Great. That’s test match footy. Then, knowing the pravelence of points scored within 3min of the last points (around 80% probability) we then turn in a shite kick-off reception and a dumb-as-dogshite chip-kick. Par for the course these days and we went from there

    Scrum – thought we did quite well & I we were v.hard done by not to pull a string of penalties from the AB scrum gong down on knees on Robinsons side. The AB’s 3pts from the scrum penalty was also shite – both AB props broke binds & went hands down before R’son was pinged.

    Lineout – respectable and we should of pinched lots from their crap. However some of the option calling was puzzling as it didn’t give backs much front-foot ball. Gins over-ran at least 2 off-the-tops.

    Breakdown – it almost appeared the AB’s were planning to soft-scrag certain ball-runners (Poey & Sharp) and then dive in & cut them off from their supporters. That’s killing the ball. But that’s also playing the ref. It is also challenging when we insist on only putting 2 or 3 supports into the breakdown. Why the AB’s didn’t counter-ruck more often was puzzling.

    Realignment – shite. Pure & simple. And I don’t know who to blame – Gins for not forcing the ball quicker (“get in line boys cos here it comes”), Barnes for being too deep or Deans for not having any other fair-dinkum options to take pressure off Barnes especially against a fast up & in defence as the AB’s ran

    Options – I can’t recall a single time there was multiple “men in motion” to create doubt in defenders brain. Even Mungos do better then that.

    My MOM – Probably Sharpie

    My Forgettables – Poor ‘ol Beagle Beale and Fingers not too far behind. Bloody Hell Boys.

    AB’s:
    Congratulations on a fine win. Played generally well. Butchered 3 tries from my counting. Need to work on their lineout. Actually play with a true 3man backrow (vs our 2man plus a Labrador) and look how effective it is!

    Ref:
    Didn’t know what he was calling at the scrum, but very few do
    Didn’t call out ball-killers at the ruck
    Very sorry he didn’t call out Nonu for the obstruction on Horne (I think) that led to the AB’s left-wing try. You can not obstruct/take-out a defender. That’s OBSTRUCTION. Yellow-card straight up. Watching too much Mungo perhaps?

    • NTA

      That scrum penalty was a fucking joke and proves just how far the refs are from reality. Woodock went sideways into our THP and destabilised the whole scrum. Rolland on the other side failed to see this, and what the hell was the AR doing?

      We need to scrum 200% better than anyone else for the next five years if we’re to shake that monkey. As usual, the Franks Brothers aren’t as good as everyone (i.e. the average Kiwi) seems to think, though they’re not half bad at that.

  • NTA

    Let me preface this by saying: I realise the players are hurting. I know what its like to lose big games at my amateur level so have a very small inkling of how it feels at the top level.

    But here are the facts:

    Our forwards aren’t fit or hard enough – they wilted again and again in contact, and only the old bloke Sharpe put his hand up. Our attack was creeping backwards as the game went on, and lucky to make advantage at all. Put whatever back line you want behind that pack – the fact is our basic skills are not sharp enough in contact (or anywhere else) to release the ball wide.

    None of the Tahs forwards are fit enough to do the job, and they should be shunted until they are. That is down to Foley giving into his roster during pre-season when they complained about hard work, and that includes Robinson. I’ve been a big fan of his since he started, but he needs to get fitter and start making his presence felt around the park.

    I’m disappointed in Pocock’s leadership in terms of handling refs. Rolland should have had the seed put in his mind that the ABs were offside all night, so he could sharpen his already razor-edged whistle and actually sit them back a bit. Its part of the game, so why not use it? McCaw does it all the time, even when his team is on top.

    The backline showed little, but then they were getting swamped so any set piece work would be out the window. The lack of basic skills and cohesion are, again, execrable. Its all well and good for Kurtley to wallow in grief on Twitter, and for his good mate SBW to send commiserations, but the fact is our entire backline have to stand up and take their licks as well.

    We need to start putting these guys on incentive-based contracts, and the ones who actually WANT to succeed will make it about the team and not building their brand, getting the most followers, having the best website, or any of that other shit. The ones who are interested in money will piss off overseas, and good riddance.

    Get a squad of 50 training at night (i.e. when their games are played), in the wet and cold, belting the tripe out of each other. Have it split into 50% handling skills and drills, and 50% physical work with full opposed contact. Any mistakes are punishable by burpees for the WHOLE SQUAD (including coaches) and time is not taken off the original drills.

    At the end, 400s until at least one person has thrown up, Topped off with 50 pushups and a lukewarm shower before heading back to the 3.5 star motel where they’re sleeping three to a room. One hour of mobile phone access before lights out, then up at daybreak to go out for a gentle 10km jog.

    Get them to understand just how privileged they are, and remind them what it means to play for their country.

    Throw the gym sessions and scrum machines away, along with anything that doesn’t contribute to rugby. Beep test? Gone. Body fat %? Gone. Team meetings and iPads? Give me a fucking break! No-one ever learned how to dominate with an iPad, unless they were using it to smack a hipster in the chops. Go get a bloody day job so you have a bit of perspective, even if its just part-time. Some of these guys who get signed up straight out of school have no inkling of just how privileged they are.

    Let’s let the rugby do the talking – over a few weeks you’ll have sorted your squad of 50 into those who have the physical presence and mental resolve to carry it forward, and those who only got picked because they were the biggest kid at their school. There are no incumbents – if someone starts to fail, then chuck them back into the also-rans and let the next bloke come through and have a shot at it.

    Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results (Albert Einstein).

    • Canab

      Well pococks been ruled out so you don’t need to worry about him this weekend. I’m a big fan of Barnes and think he gets more flack than he deserves but I really think Australia needs to roll the dice on this one and pick cooper. Stick with Beale as well, as a kiwi he’s the bloke who scares me the most when he has the ball.

    • Nutta

      Beautiful NTA. I’m getting all nostaglic now…

      Let’s roll out some proper hardman training to break up some of the monotony though from when I was a pup…

      5m pine coppers logs. Teams of 5. Run the straight of the field stopping at half-way & each corner so 4 men can hold the pole overhead whilst the 5th does 10 pull-ups (chest must touch pole). Stop only when everyone has done an agreed minimum (say 50) pull-ups. Upper body, cohesion and cardio. For variation have the 4 holders on knees and pole on shoulder whist the 5t does inverted push-ups with ankles on the pole

      Weld an old scrum machine A frame onto a tow-ball. Hang it off the back of a Kingswood ute out on the grass and put her in neutral. Teams of 3 doing constant 10-15second “power runs” and hot change-overs. The team who lets the ute stop rolling has to start it up again. Leg drive, communication, cohesion & cardio. Also guaranteed to make at least one pansy spew.

      Bring your best 2 yard cattle dogs to training. put 6 balls on the ground and set up a half-back to 5/8th clearing kick drill. Use the dogs to “pressure” the ball. You will find the pass and kick becomes amazingly faster when the alternative is to have a 40kg Blue Heeler strip the tendons out of your hands or bite your fingers through. Skills & reflexes will improve. Do the same for 3 on 2 “move the ball” drills except the dogs are your 2 defenders. Same result. You can also do the same for pressuring the catcher of a high-ball. It’s amazing how high some dogs will jump…

      Tractor tire flipping. Says it all really. Power, cohesion, cardio. Another good spew-inducer

      Put the sprinklers on at training every now and then. Learn to hande the wet.

      Also, wear boxing gloves backwards when doing power work and defensive drills. Teaches folk not to grab and to use a shoulder instead.

      Proper training. And yes, fk off the Twits & I/Me-Phones. They are only distractions to the committed and toys for the self-obsessed…

      • Nabley

        Ah Nutta, its been a long time but at last we have found something to agree on!

      • Dave

        And get the public in to watch. Seeing Wallabies push around an old kingswood and get chased around by cattle dogs might just be the exercise in humility they need.

        I’d pay to see that!

    • Nabley

      NTA good stuff. But take it easy on Pocock, most international captains take time to adapt to the role. Time we do not have I know, but time that is needed.

      What disturbs me probably more than anything, is Sharpe on the edge of retirement, being the only one putting his hand up.

      Too many bloody Tahs, which really means our stocks of top players are not what they should be.

      • NTA

        I see your point, but Poey has been in professional rugby ranks since he was 17, including mentors like Sharpie who knows how to talk to a ref. There is no excuse there.

  • Mart

    Exactly Dumping Beale would be a bad move, he’s a game breaker.

    And Robbie would probably replace him with Mccabe or someone with a similar vein of creative nous

  • Robson

    “Insanity” doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results”

    “Retardation” not being able to see that.

  • Joe

    It is ridiculous to say that this poor preformance is entirely because of Deans, the entire system is to blame. He is stuck with a whole lot of underperforming inconsistent senior players who should be at their prime but instead chose to turn up only after an embarrassment or a thrashing. They are so complacent they feel no need to do any more than the bare minimum during the super rugby season as they know their position is secured. And the super rugby coaches ALLOW them to get away with this!!! As long as they are getting paid and every other country loses to the All Blacks then they don’t seem to care. Im sure Deans would love to drop Beal, Robbinson etc for another but that just isn’t possible, experience is vital and the next tier of players are currently not at test level.

    The biggest injustice is being done to the young talented Australian rugby players of the future. I firmly believe the majority of the blame needs to go onto the Australian Super Rugby coaches and the ARU for appointing such incompetent fools (excluding Mckenzie and White) It is their job to condition and get the best out of their players. Senior players excel and grow as leaders under good coaching, within a winning environment, while young talent can flourish and gain confidence as their apprentices. This talent needs to be identified and developed and that is up to the coaches of each franchise. Good coach + good coaching creates winning environment + winners = happy days all round.

    The All Blacks would not be as good in 2012 if they had all come out of the Blues, instead the majority of the squad come from the Chiefs, a franchise that last year finished 10th and have this year won the comp. Players are now being rewarded for their hard work. This is where Deans can be blamed for appointing far too many Warahtah forwards who were pathetic all season. Where are all the Brumbs??

    In NZ, young players who perform and stand out consistently at super rugby level are rewarded by being named in the AB training squad where they learn the ins and outs. From there they will either make the bench or will be recalled later in the year when they are ready, giving them an incentive to work harder and putting pressure on senior players to retain their position.

    Players who preform consistently, should always be rewarded – This simply does not happen enough within the Wallabies, caps are given out far too easily and far too regularly and to the WRONG blokes usually resulting in a disastrous premature debut for the next unlucky young man who’s bright future and dreams of playing for his country are now tainted after being fed to the dogs.. now just another ‘could have been’ added to the scrap heap because didn’t live up to his ‘hype’.

    • Who Needs Melon

      Spot on Joe.

    • NTA

      Take it back another step – the private school system needs a shake-up. Look at the props we picked for U20 World Cup: the biggest, fattest Islander kids who dominated their age group here through size alone. The french took them to the cleaners on technique. Until we fix the game starting with the small numbers at the lower levels, we’re going to be behind except the odd batch of superstars coming together in a perfect storm like Eales, Gregan et al. There is less hunger here because the pool isn’t as deep for schools, the competition not as fierce

      • Nabley

        You have to be careful about relying on the private school system for upcoming professional players. Many of the good ones have other aims and opertunities in life rather than follow a professional career.Could fit well when it was all for the love of the game and not 365 days a year, but sometimes it just does not fit.

        • NTA

          Have you just woken up from a 20-year coma? The private school system is the place where almost all of our professionals get noticed and developed, and even then, have a read of the GPS scorelines to witness the existence of haves (Joeys, Shore, View etc) to have-nots (Grammar).

          Public schools give approximately 0.5 fucks about rugby as a rule, because they have league which is a far tastier prospect to the kids coming through – bigger player pool and more money around, even in the shitbag Jim Beam Cup (which I’ve seen live and am not in the least impressed with).

  • Can We Talk About Robbie?

    An open letter to Mr John O’Neill and his wife Mrs Robbie Deans-O’Neill:

    Dear Arse-Clowns,

    I am currently travelling through Europe, and it’s hot. Really hot. The only hat I brought with me has a large Wallabies logo on the front.

    Everywhere I go, I see people walking past me on the streets, sniggering and pointing at my hat.

    Please do something to relieve my embarrassment. Resigning would be a good start.

    Yours faithfully, but without confidence in either of you,

    An Australian abroad.

    • rae1

      lol,I think John O might be Robbies bitch(tail wagging the dog)

  • Mongrels Required

    Our team lacks physical aggression, both with and without the ball.

    Who in this current lineup will rip and tear to the extent that some of the ABs might actually occasionally not dominate the collision?

    Yes, we’re probably missing QC and the Brand, but I’ve reached the conclusion that the bloke who we’re really rudderless without is Big Kev.

    PS. Isn’t it the job of the national coach to improve the team? If so, why are we a worse team than when Dingo first took the job? And where is our future when Nucci has also turned our under 20s into a steaming pile of crap too?

    • Who Needs Melon

      Agreed. Did anyone else find the handshakes after the game a little too chummy too? I know that’s a great part of rugby – the no hard feelings bit – and a lot of these guys are close but…

      • boutbloodytime

        Yes, I was waiting for someone to offer champagne & condoms to Beale & SBW…

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  • Bruiser

    I’ve read in other forums that Beale is devastated (i believe Digby said ‘sad’) with his performance, as he should be if its true. But I have to say it irked the hell out of me post game when you could see him laughing and joking with SBW? Devasted? Didn’t appear so. To me it reaks of self importance and a lack of pride in the jersey and until that sort of attitude can be changed across the entire squad, we’ll never be able to match (regularly and not for 1 performance out of 10) the standard pride and attitude of professional sides such as the AB’s. Talk is cheap and we do far too much of it…the AB’s simply get on with the job.

    We were frankly lucky to be that close in the end and it felt strangely like watching the Tahs play. I beleieve ground hog day may have been mentioned by the wife…i would have thought Dingo had had the time to change things but its just all too familiar sadly.

    What about rewarding performance, attitude, professionalism for what its worth rather than picking the majority of the Tahs squad who simply failed to deliver during the year? In the corporate world its like paying a bonus for underperforming…doesn’t happen.

    If they were devasted, if they had a real crack then that’s all you can ask and as a supporter can handle that as dissapointing as it is. Oh for a little of the AB’s mentality and willingness to have a go and congratulations to them on a good victory.

  • Richard

    Thank you Bob, why is it that anyone who has aninkling of playinging an attacking game appreciates what you say yet these things have been lost on Wallaby officialdom for years, ever since the loss of McQueen as coach.
    Out entire platform is predicated on no losing and against a sublime attacking side even our defences are negated.
    Rugby is an attacking game, our backs are too deep, you are so correct on the delivery by Genia (and all halfbacks in line – Mat Lucas in the u20′s is even worse).
    One reason is I se is that our #10, #12 and #13 are not ready and that is because they are just ‘basic’ players, not up to this level. They need marshalling, they do not have the rugby ‘heads’ to position themselves correctly and quickly.
    One only neds to look at Crusader and AB bteams, watch how at EVERY moment there are players in a position to receive the ball and mount an attack – immediately. They do not need marshalling, they are ready to go and with the mindset to attack.
    From ages 15+ in rep tems we do not coach our players to attack, they are coached to defend first and if an attack happens then we improvise.
    We have promoted the wrong players, we cherise the wrong characteristics in players and as such we do NOT, at test or super level have players with the rugby intelligence and ability to compete against a good attacking team.
    Being second best in the world is a misnomer – it should be not as good as no! and I’m afraid that will not happen until our entire coaching culture changes from those damned walla ages.
    Walla – not played in NZ.

  • BloodRed

    IMO this has been feeling alot like the time after Bob’s last tenure as Wallabies coach when Greg Smith took over (forced upon us by NSWRU just so they could stiff Connoly).
    We had unfathomable selection choices, rubbish or broken players getting clear favouritism, undecipherable comments from the coach, inconsistency when dealing with injuries(remember when he said any player who couldn’t train on Mon after a Sunday game wouldn’t be considered for the next weekends game and then had to back down when 5 or 6 starters had Monday niggles), not to mention a weak scrum and generally poor utilization of the set piece as well as a lack of a cohesive game plan.
    Rod MacQueen takes over a bunch of players who are more concerned about the standard of their hotel accommodation than the arse pounding they had just taken on the field (substitute in current concerns about hair styling, brands and twitter followers). Within 12-18 months basically the same core group of players are beating everyone and go one to win the world cup, the TriNations, the Bled and beat the Lions establishing names like Gregan, Eales, Larkham, Kefu and Horan as worlds best and all time Wallabies greats.
    I don’t want the Reds to lose him but the Wallabies need Link before next year, a couple of key selection changes and a big dose of harden the fuck up or fuck off.

  • BU

    Bring back Rod MacQueen.

  • richard

    To redkev , my apologies, read that line, and just saw red (no pun intended) as a lot of ozzies have used this canard v nz. Was scrolling down, and didn’t read the whole article

    My mistake!

  • Colly

    Bob, when are you taking over again! I remember when we delighted in the attacking flair of the Wallabies. The midfield and full backs were dangerous and unpredictable. Look what we have now, no matter how long we persist with the current no 10-15 we will not change. We have the younger generation turning off the Waratahs and Wallabies.
    Why don’t we start with Digby in the centres outside Quade, maybe we can get that spark back.
    The selection has been negative for so long, why?

  • Dally M

    Thought this was a good summary of why we cop so much shit from the Kiwi’s as well.

    The All Blacks frequently bag Australia for not walking the talk, with Steve Hansen again digging in a gibe post-match on Saturday by saying: “We’ve been reading all week about how they were going to do this and do that. They’ll probably be disappointed that they didn’t do this and do that.”

    Moore said it was a “pretty fair call” by Hansen and “very hard to argue”.

    In reality, however, such Kiwi barbs are calculated and often mendacious. Mild comments by Wallabies – said in the duty of promoting the Test – are routinely twisted way out of shape and cited by All Black coaches as evidence of Australian arrogance.”

    We as the 3rd or 4th ball code in Sydney have to do everything we can to promote the match, meanwhile the Kiwi’s do bugger all promotion & it’s then used against us.

  • Sledgey

    The media has long history of hyping up the rivalry between sports teams and individual sportsmen. It creates news and adds a little fire to the competition.
    However any intelligent sportsman or coach would use that “hype” as incentive to go at it harder and better, whatever fires up the boys can only be a good thing. The public buy into it as can be seen by the sold out stadiums for the upcoming games of this Championship, whatever puts bums in seats right, thats really the point!

    • Dally M

      Sure, but only one team has to do it & then has it turned against them by all and sundry.

      Take the example of the Melbourne Bledisloe’s of the past. The Wallabies are out there throughout the week trying to generate publicity and interest & the AB’s lob into town the day of the game or just before & do sweet FA to promote it.

      The Boks are the same, but we had PDV to entertain us & generate publicity in the past.

      I’m sure the Wallabies would love nothing more than to just keep quiet all week and just turn up to play, but in the Australian market it’s just not possible.

      • BloodRed

        You should also point out that when the wallabies are in new Zealand and south Africa they always visit underprivileged townships, run clinics and tours local schools effectively helping to promote the sport and the upcoming game. All we get in return is a raised middle finger and a fuck you.

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