Dwyer’s View: Bright points, with questions

Bob Dwyer May 21, 2012 64

No GravatarThe weekend started brightly for Aussie fans, with the Brumbies playing well again and picking up a valuable bonus point win over the well-performed Hurricanes – and in Wellington. One of my mates pointed to the interesting fact that three top NZ sides have each “surrendered” to three Aussie tries in the second half in the last three weeks – Crusaders, Chiefs, Hurricanes to the Rebels, Reds, Brumbies. Wonder what Graham Henry will have to say about that!

The Brumbies had some ordinary moments – for example, silly penalty by Hooper, then soft try to Perenara – but were again very good; some may say “basic” but I often think that quality rugby looks “basic” because it’s the simple things being done very well. They’ve had a few hick-ups with the vital fly-half spot this season, but yet again, their latest choice, Zack Holmes, came up trumps in all facets of his game, including goal-kicking. Importantly, in an after game chat, captain Ben Mowen expressed total confidence in him, saying that he may well have been their season starting choice but for an untimely injury.

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New boy Zack Holmes

The presence of Steve Larkham in the Brumbies coaching staff must surely be influential in the play of these three pivots used by them already this season. We’ve seen both Toomua and Lealiifano before, but never with this influence over their team. Larkham, along with a few other Aussie coaches, is certainly showing his quality. We can now begin to look ahead with growing confidence.

Of the “new” guys, Holmes, Tomane, Mogg, Fardy and Palmer impressed. A while back, I thought that Sam Carter showed great promise, but needed more time. Over the last couple of games, he has really come on and he may not be too far away. His ball-carries now are much more influential, he does his share of the defensive work, he has genuine pace and height and, in his try off Fardy’s pass, he showed urgency and desire – both irreplaceable qualities – to “get amongst the action”.

Moore and Mowen are in excellent form and Michael Hooper is a freak – yet another try to him from a “continue the drive, rip the ball and continue the forward run” action, which is listed in my BDRW Coaching Manual, first principle of Essential Level, Tackle Contest Options.

One weird thing about this game though was that the quality centres, Pat McCabe, Andrew Smith, Conrad Smith and Tim Bateman, hardly touched the ball in the eighty minutes.

Things were not quite so wonderful from Saturday onwards, but there some significant, encouraging signs. The Reds were not great against the Lions, but most teams would probably have the same thoughts in their review of their Lions match. On the plus side, Quade Cooper made his welcome return and looked right on track; within a few weeks he should be back to his freakish best. Genia continues his own return to form and was at the heart of most that was good about the Reds. Gill is a quality player without doubt and is probably the best “scavenger” of the Aussie 7’s.

The Reds frontrow all contribute massively in both attack and defence – frequently not a quality of all Aussie frontrows. Horwill continues to be more influential, running closer to the tackle contest and gaining valuable yards, but I want still more from him. Harris remains steady but good; Ioane is not far away from his best – which is very good. Not a fantastic performance, but plenty of promise for the Wallabies. Next week’s Reds v Brumbies should be a beauty!

The Tahs went down to the Stormers in Cape Town and more than a few teams can, and even more will, say that. But for “no intervention” by Craig Joubert when a second ball appeared on-field and distracted defender Brendan McKibbin, the Stormers MAY have had one less try. But for a spilled pass by Sekope Kepu five metres out, the Waratahs MAY have had one try more. I’m not suggesting that the Tahs should have won, but they could have won – and this was always going to be a very difficult game.

The Tahs scrum was very good again and this augers very well again for the Wallabies. (The Stormers lineout was equally good and this snuffed out a couple of late opportunities which the Tahs may otherwise developed.) Kepu is clearly our best tight-head scrummager and he carries the ball like the #8 he once was. If we can just get him off the ground with more urgency to get back into the action, he could become a world-class player. Benn Robinson played much better around the paddock; I had thought him off the pace so far this year.

Foley showed glimpses, AAC was always useful, Rob Horne gave us some hope (not before time), Dennis and Douglas are definite chances for squad selection in the near future. Elsom’s workrate was fantastic; now we need his effectiveness – and his team’s – to improve. At the 45 minute mark, the Tahs were still in the game, despite having made 92 tackles to the Stormers 31 – courtesy of a “let’s kick the ball back to them every time we get it” strategy. The excellent team try, from counterattack via a quick throw-in, scored by Horne, hopefully has given them some alternatives.

The Force against the Rebels started with great pace and enterprise. Defence was a little ordinary at times, but some of the attack was real quality. In this period, Kurtley Beale was outstanding and played the fly-half role with much more maturity than in his earlier stint with the Waratahs. He simply ran the game and would certainly not be out of place in a Wallaby #10 shirt. Importantly, his goal-kicking percentages are right up there also.

Once again Cadeyrn Neville impressed hugely. Previously I have noted his work in tight – we badly need another Dan Vickerman – but now we can see his footwork and pace. Not bad at all! Cooper Vuna again showed that he can convert the smallest of chances; he may yet be very good. Mark Gerrard was once again a serious contributor and Julian Huxley had his best game for some time. For the hosts, Alfie Mafi showed his resentment at his bench selection. If he continues to play like this, the selectors’ job will be much easier.

However, the quality of the game fell away in the second half and even Beale began to look ordinary, throwing some poor passes and then missing touch with a penalty. He did however kick the winning goal  from another “lottery” scrum penalty, courtesy of Marius Jonker. Whatever happened to home ground advantage?

The Wallaby team/squad is starting to come together – maybe we could get Robbie to start another four-year development process – but I can’t find a world-class lock pairing. As I said above, we need a hard-nosed rhs lock, like Dan Vickerman – should be James Horwill, but he runs straight past too many tackle contests for my liking – and an athletic lhs lineout soarer, like John Eales. There are a few possible here, but they’re all young. If we could have the James Horwill of a few years back, we could perhaps get there.

Maybe we could throw a few ideas around?

Discussion »

  • Barbarian

    I sort of agree about our lack of world class locks, but there are certainly plenty of young talented guys who very well could make the step up. I would like to see Hugh Pyle given a shot, with Luke Jones, Cadyrn Neville, Rob Simmons, Sita Timani and Kane Douglas all there or thereabouts.

  • Pedro

    Those mentioned by barbarian, but also Fardy and S.Carter are starting to look good. But like most of these young guys they’re a bit green. Simmons and Horwill seem the obvious choice and although they haven’t had seasons to remember I don’t think any others have done enough to unseat them. There’s also a bunch of blind side slash locks that could be useful on the bench (kimlin, Douglas timani etc).

    • Barbarian

      Yeah forgot those guys. Definitely in the same ballpark.

  • http://BigFella Big Fella

    Maybe the lock’s dilemma could come down to coaching.
    I like Horwill and if given the right brief, feel confident that he could return to his hard driving best and be the player Bob so correctly identifies that we need.
    So my question is, can Deans or his new Wallaby forward’s coach Tony McGahan bring out the best in Horwill?
    McGahan’s background at forward power dominated Munster should make a difference.
    As Horwill’s partner I’d stick with Simmons and expect him to go to the next level.

    • Patrick

      I reckon we need to give Simmons a rest and let one of these young guys like Pyle, Fardy, Douglas, Neville or Jones have a crack. They’ve all had some ripper games this year and deserve a chance – Simmons has had a few and done alright but not starred, maybe one of these guys will?

      I think we should pick the non-NSW ones first, obviously, since they have good basic skills and are used to a game structure that includes passing other than 9 –> 10, and support.

  • RJ

    I reckon the wallaby locks Woukd be just as good as an lock combo dished up by South Africa or New Zealand. No thorne/Botha/ matfield anymore. We are at least on oar there

    • aussie werewolf in london

      I think you’re dreaming. Lock is probably our biggest weakness.

      The saffas will definitley go with Bekker who stands at about 7ft tall and could play any nunber of young guys that we can not compete with in terms of the quality of talent. Elstadt or Etzebeth for starters. I mean have you not been watching any super rugby this year? As for the AB’s The Chiefs’ towering 20-year-old Brodie Retallick has just been included in the AB’s squad along with fellow uncapped lock Luke Romano to go with Ali Williams and Sam Whitelock. Our locks are not in the same league as these guys!

      Deams will probably go with Simmons and Horwill but its slim pickings i’m afraid when you consider test rugby is a huge step up from super xv.

      The welsh also have us at lock with about 4 very good options to choose from which is about 4 more than us.

      • Garry

        ‘Deams’? Oh, your talking about Robbie Dreams.

      • http://BigFella Big Fella

        Are you suggesting you’d take Ali Williams (2012 version) over Horwill or for that matter, any other of say 3 of our other locks.
        Have you been watching Williams play this year?

        • aussie werewolf in london

          I think anyone with a brain would have Ali Williams ahead of Horwill and any of our locks for that matter with the only possible argument that sometimes his discipline can be a bit off. He hasn’t been in bad form he is just playing for an uncommitted team at the moment. Doesn’t mean he won’t get back to killing people on the test arena. In saying that he’ll still only be picked on the bench for the AB’s i think.

          I tell a lie, I would pick Vickerman over Williams but Vickerman of course is injured.

        • johnny-boy

          Rubbish – the All Blacks would take Horwill over Williams any day, or any All Black lock at the moment for that matter. Your credibility is zero

        • the realist

          oh jonny boy how naively patriotic you are. Ali Williams is of course in their named squad for starters and secondly Horwill is not a very good lock at all. Still he’s probably the best lock in australia at the moment. That only adds credence to the fact that the wallaby locks we have are the weakest since rugby went professional.

        • http://BigFella Big Fella

          I think “Aussie Werewolf in london” might really be “Aussie in sheep’s clothing in london” if he rates Ali Williams above James Horwill in 2012.
          Making allowances for Williams playing for an uncommitted team holds no water.
          Horwill stood up for Qld when they were the easy beats and Pocock plays his heart out every week for the wayward WF.
          It’s easier to notice when William’s discipline is ‘on’ rather than his regular ‘off’ discipline performances.
          Also if Williams played any wider he’d be carrying a flag.

        • aussie werewolf in london

          jonny boy Ali Williams has just been named in the all blacks squad. who’s credibility is in question?

        • Dally M

          And Nick Phipps was named in the Wallabies squad for the World Cup!

          Doesn’t make him the best halfback.

        • Nabley

          Big Fella, you made the point that Horwill stood up for the Reds when they were the pits. Perhaps revisionist history there. He spent almost two seasons injured!

        • http://BigFella Big Fella

          Nabley, just for the record – Horwill did in fact play every game in Super 14 in both 2006 (Reds 12th) and 2007 (Reds 14th – last).

        • Nabley

          Pits is a relative word. What about 08,09

      • Red Kev

        That would be the Brodie Retallick who was completely outplayed and nullified by Horwill and Simmons in the Reds v Chiefs match 2 weekends ago.
        Bekker and Etzebeth will be a handfull along with Botha (I think from the Bulls) from South Africa but the All Blacks lineout is nothing to worry about.
        The Reds and Rebels locks are plenty good enough for the Wallabies.
        Certainly we would all like them to grow and improve and become more Eales/Matfield or Botha/Thorn like but give them time. The only veteran locks in Australia are Sharpe (who while playing well is not who the Wallabies should be looking to) and Vickerman who is out for the season as I understand it. There seems to be plenty of mail on Timani but every time I watch him all I see is a soft, lazy, ineffective forward – perfectly suited to the Waratahs but not someone I’d want in a Wallaby jersey.

        • aussie werewolf in london

          Yes cos the reds beats the chiefs that means Retallick hasn’t been awesome for the chiefs who are the best team in super xv this year!

          You really think Simmons and Horwill (who will be the starting locks for the wallabies) would make an AB’s team? They’d not even make their squad. In fact they wouldn’t get a start at any of the home nations or france. They might get selected for Italy?

          The best 2 locks in australia are still Sharpe and Vickerman (based on his RWC form) and I agree that Timani has been very disappointing this year. Douglas is now in front of him for wallaby squad selection. The brumbies locks have been good but i’m worried they are too light and not powerful enough for test rugby. I’ve seen locks before who play like champions in super xv only to be insignificant in the test arena. Samo, Chisholm, Mumm come to mind as players just not suited for the test arena. Super rugby form is not always a pre cursor to be able to influence a game at the next level. You just need to look at the size of the locks from other countries who are so much more powerful than ours. We need to pick who best fits the test arena and who is most likely to be dominant at test level not just those that are playing for the best provincial team ie the brumbies.

          Therefore with Sharpe and Vickerman not really logical choices, Horwill the captain and Simmons who has the experience of being part of the set up last year will be the locks, with Pyle and Douglas in the squad as the most likely to be significant in test rugby.

      • Pedro

        So you’re worried about playing against untested locks, because ours are untested? I don’t think we have any ascendancy, but our locks play pretty good against any of these guys. I think the most you can say is that all trinations teams are rebuilding in the locks.

        • aussie werewolf in london

          I’m just saying our locks are not as good as we make out and are not as good as the other nations’ lock talent mainly because they are not tall or powerful enough. The other 2 tri-nations teams are not going to have a hiccup replacing the likes of thorn, matfield and botha beacuse they have a conveyor belt of talent of increasingly taller and/or more and more powerful locks.

          I’m seeing a trend of locks just getting taller and wider in europe, NZ and SA and I’m worried we are going to get left behind. We can’t make a player any taller but we can bulk them up and or make them play much more physically abbrasive. I’d be sending Pyle, Timani and co for a season or two in european rugby maybe at leinster, toulouse, harlequins? I firmly believe europe is setting trends in the game that we are going to find hard to keep up with in terms of physicality which is as per usual, but now i see them doing it in order to play the expansive running rugby we so desire. This we should embrace and learn from. A season or two in europe would have our best young locks seeing the need to bulk up and man up in order to compete.

          Leinster for instance are the best provincial side in the world bar none because they are not only now as skillful as the most skillful super xv side, but they are also as physical as the most physical super xv side. A blend of Bulls and Crusaders if you will. The 6 nations also showed that if you want to play expansive you need to earn the right to do so. Having two monster physical specimens in the second row goes along way to doing that. I wonder if aussie players and fans see it that way? If we did we’d be asserting that our locks become much more physically dominant than they are currently.

          If we want RWC glory in 3years we have to look to where we are heading not where we have come from.

        • Red Kev

          Nor are the NZ locks anywhere near as good as you make them out to be. Retallick is the only one that Australia would look at seriously and he doesn’t offer anything that Pyle doesn’t. Williams is a powderpuff has been for the last three years, Romano is about as good as Simmons (i.e. may be a great international but has a way to go) whereas Whitelock is a solid journeyman worker, nothing about him that Horwill or Carter or Fardy can’t cover.

        • the realist

          are you kidding red kev. Isn’t about time you grew up and woke up to the fact that your parochialism is the only element of thought that you allow into your feeble mind to form your opinions?

          Whitelock is world xv standard and the other 3 AB locks are also just better than ours. If it makes you feel better we have better players in other positions just not that one. Hopefully that last statement appeased your parochial and or patriotic ego.

          Just keeping it real!

        • Pedro

          AWIL, can’t you see that the aussie locks are actually playing very well against any comers? While they continue to perform against what you might label superior opposition, I can’t consider the position to a weak one.

        • Patrick

          Well we play Wales soon, and by all accounts they are the bees’ knees in European rugby, so I guess we’ll see their awesome locks lock us out of the game?

          Or we won’t…happily we don’t have long to wait now.

        • Red Kev

          Sam Whitelock being world xv material may be the stupidest comment I have ever read.

        • Bobby

          Aussie werewolf are you for real? Rob Simmons has been on outstanding form the last few weeks. His workrate in the breakdown area has been imense, take your waratah/kiwi coloured glasses off and actually watch a player instead of listening to a commentator call their name.

  • AJ

    I’d like to see Sam Carter and Cadyrn Neville be rotated to start with Horwill. Fardy looks the goods but is a tad ill-disciplined at times. Maybe a bench role with WB’s at best. Simmons looks solid but doesn’t really impose himself on a game like Horwill or Vickerman could. I’m not overly convinced by his efforts at test level last year. I think Neville has the most potential and raw ability out of all I’ve seen so far.

  • Sky blue

    Besides openside flanker and maybe halfback. We lack in all positions..especially in the centres we cant afford to lose any backs to injury because we dont have international quality cover. Abs and saffas have just about 3 in every postion

    • aussie werewolf in london

      A good point. we have a lack of depth in almost every position. Openside yes we have depth but lets not forget Gill and Hooper are still untested at international level and test match rugby has a way of finding players out so lets not jump the gun just yet. Scrum half I don’t agree we have any depth at all. Genia and possibly White but not yet. I thought White was poor against the Canes which doesn’t bode well for test rugby. who else?

      I think the only positions we have real depth in are fly half/full back and only because Beale, QC, O’connor are interchangeable in these positions.Hooker is another you could argue we have depth with Moore, T-PNau and a number of good young hookers in Charles, Hansen, Fitzpatrick albeit the young guys are not quite there yet.

    • Garry

      Perhaps, better coaches would be viewing the upcoming test matches as a chance to blood new bench players and build on depth, rather than look to extend their own tenure.

      • aussie werewolf in london

        You say that as if you feel Deans has not done that? Thats exactly what Deans has done since he has taken over. Tuqiri, Baxter, Dunning, George Smith, Giteau, Mortlock, all phased out once surpassed by the younger, better more dynamic players that Deans brought through in Ioane, Robinson, Kepu, Slipper, Alexander, Pocock, QC, Beale, Oconnor, Genia etc etc

        Deans predecessor Connolly if you remember was the one that had failed in his duty to take any risks by bringing fresh blood into the mix. Even to the point of leaving all our best young talent out of his 2007 RWC squad despite common sense that these were the next crop of superstars. I’m talking Ioane, Ben Robinson, P-Nau all ignored and from memory Connolly even dropped Drew Mitchell from the starting side for the RWC QF that of course we lost, despite that Drew at the time was setting the world on fire and was the leading try scorer of that world cup. Now he was a douche coach! Since then Deans has done almost everything right and I’m sure he’ll continue to do so.

        • Garry

          ” Since then Deans has done almost everything right and I’m sure he’ll continue to do so.”

          WTF???

          There is something mysteriously fishy about you wolf. You’re too articulate to actually be Deans, but has Dean’s got a minder as part of the recomendations of the Top Secret ARU report?

        • Robson

          In my very humble opinion whatever Deans has done or has not done certainly hasn’t translated to consistent quality performances by the Wallabies. Team selections, use of the bench, tactics and motivation are all issues that seem to have been starved of any genuine decision making talent on Deans part. The results speak for themselves – very eloquently – but not in Deans favour.

        • Nabley

          Robson, do you not give any credit for being No 2 on the IRB list. When Deans took over, we were in free fall. Given the bounce of the ball aspects of rugby even at the top level, I think is OK. Not only that, but a TriNations Trophy win and 3rd in the RWC.Yes he did not get to the final, but at least he got to the semis this time round, which is better than most and certainly better than the time before him.I really do think we have to grow up and learn to accept that even good well coached teams get beaten from time to time.

  • BloodRed

    Anyone else notice the difference between the Saffa refs and kiwi refs at scrum time? The Saffa refs on the weekend were penalising loose head props almost every time one of them dropped their bind and pushed off the ground with the left hand. Mark lawrence even refered to it as “pushing off the hand and changing the angle of the drive”. On the other hand the kiwis had been letting it go to the point where the commentators had been assuming there must have been a directive from the reffing authorities. Anybody want to guess who the worst offending props have been …..and Wyatt Crocket you can put your hand down (or back up as the case may be).

    • Garry

      To get a top refereeimg gig in NZ, Paddy O’Brien made it essential for refs to attend a Mike Crone coaching clinic.

      Just rumours.

    • Dally M

      Joubert let it go in at least 1 scrum on the weekend. He said he had no problem with the hand going to the ground momentarily, but then the prop drove inward & thus he gave a penalty.

      • Patrick

        Which is consistent with the law, so fair enough. There isn’t a rule against putting your hand on the ground, rather, there is a rule that you must remain bound.

        So it seems unfair to penalise a quick ‘prop’ off the ground if it makes the scrum more stable, but definitely is unfair to not penalise a loosehead, much like the one mentioned above, dropping his bind, pushing off the ground and using that to drive over and in the opposition tighthead.

        • Dally M

          Yeah, he simply lost his bind, touched the ground so as not to collapse & then regained the bind, but of course then he bore in.

        • AndySm

          It’s not really consistent with the law at all. 20.3a says the prop must bind ‘firmly and continuously’. They can shift their bind as long as it complies – which putting your hand down certainly doesn’t. Don’t get me wrong – i’m ok with refs using some discretion to keep the game flowing but only when it’s consistent. The ‘saders making no attempt to bind against the reds wasn’t discretion (for example).

        • Patrick

          I’m definitely only supporting it to keep an otherwise legal scrum going.

          The Saders props are very regularly not bound, and boring in. They also use their hands to push off the ground. They should probably be yellow-carded in a lot of games, certainly against the Rebels and probably against the Reds Crockett should have been.

  • Timo9

    I’ve always been a big Nathan Sharpe fan and his last two Super Rugby seasons have been as good as any he has played. Sharpe and Horwill shape up as a powerful pairing in terms of ball carrying, scrum strength, lineouts & defence. The biggest inconsistency I see is restarts which was a big weakness last season gifting away possession after scoring points. Would also love to see a fully fit Wykes running round in gold, he has real purpose in everything he does.

    • aussie werewolf in london

      i was just about to pay that until i read you want wykes in a gold jersey. ish don’t think so! mediocrity doesn’t cut it at the top level i’m afraid.

  • wiggety

    Always look forward to your writing Bob, but I am curious this time to know more details of why you think Larkham has been so influential as backs coach? He was there last year, and we all know how that season went. The coaching difference this year has been White, not Larkham… so I am wondering what you see there? I ask this out of genuinely curiousity, and don’t at all intend to belittle the legend that is Larkham.

  • Red Kev

    Regarding the locks, pay Brad Thorn to come in and coach them, if they’re not working hard enough he can stare or beat them into doing what he says as appropriate.
    The more I watch Gill and Hooper the more I wish Gill was taller so he could be a genuine lineout option, and that Hopper were just … bigger, big enough to play umber eight, he certainly has the ball playing skills to be a real threat from the back of the scrum.

  • Homer J

    Last year we were screaming for more locks apart from Mum and Timani. Now we have Pyle (going well in his second season) Jones (probably a very good 6 though and very agressive) Neville, Carter, Fardy etc. to go with Big Kev. Most will get a go this year due to the four autumn tests, Rugby Championship and Spring tests along with the expected injuries.
    Would like to see Kev and Pyle together with Carter off the bench, but with thiose two you need a good jumping 6 to create lineout options.

    Dan Charles could get a run at hooker as well.

  • Jimbo81

    play Pocock at 7, Gill at 6, Hooper at 8. We would never lose the ball…

    • Patrick

      Other way around; Gill at 7 and Pocock at 6 :)

  • johnny-boy

    You lost me at Cooper Vuna Bob. Seriously, senility must be creeping up on you. He’s got the error rate of a 3 year old. The obvious starting locks seem to be Horwill and Kane Douglas. Douglas provides pretty good oomph at scrum time it seems and goodness knows we need it. The Reds are going to have to pull out something special to tame the Brumbies. Those tenacious sobs are good.

    • Nabley

      I use to think the same thing about Vuna, but something has changed in that team in the last three weeks and it has changed Vuna’s performance as well.

    • Tom

      i think you might be watching replays of last year boy.
      Your NSW me thinks

  • http://www.bobdwyerrugby.com Bob Dwyer

    Wiggety. I THINK that Jake sets the scene and maintains it. Organisation, discipline, motivation/support, link with admin & board, etc, and I THINK that he’s very good at it. Again, I THINK that the detail “on the grass” comes from Steve Larkham and Laurie Fisher (that’s my mail fro the inside). We’ve never seen any SA side of Jake’s play the way (style & shape) the Brumbies are playing. The way I hear it is that the detail work began last year and continued through an excellent off-season.

    • Nabley

      “An excellent off season” ? They had an awful pre season

      • Barbarian

        But pre-season results don’t mean anything.

        They began their off-season in July, and oddly benefitted from the fact they only had a couple of guys on Wallaby duty. They are clearly a very fit, very bonded side and you can point to their off-season as the reason behind it.

        • Nabley

          Pre Season is off season isn’t it? I was commenting on inconsistency in the comment.

  • http://www.bobdwyerrugby.com Bob Dwyer

    Re the locks.
    RHS. Should be good scrummager, hard-nosed, tough, work hard on the ball (cf. Vickerman.). We have:
    Fardy (198cms, 113kgs). Good body pos’n, leg drive, work rate. Bit small but tough.
    Douglas (202, 122). Great prospect. Developing well. Neville (202, 120). Coming on very well. Well worth a look. Horwill (200?,117) Should be the current answer, but I liked the 2009? model more. Needs to spend more time on the ball. Wallace-Harrison (200?,114). Not quite, but should not be forgotten.
    LHS. Tall, athletic, fast. Can support all over the park and carry long yards. (cf. Matfield, Becker). Excell. l/out man. We have:
    Carter.(200, 110). Developing very well. Maybe a bit soon, but a must tourist. Timani (203, 120). Was great last season, bit off the pace now. Still worth another look. Jones. (197, 111). Should spend anothe season or two at #6. He looks great there, for the present.) Pyle (201, 116). Great promise. has been overshadowed by Neville recently. Simmons (200, 115). Much more aggressive and effective this year. Not sure where he can get too, but he’s sure trying hard. Sharpe. (200, 115). Great lineout & scrum. High workrate. Should spend less time at centre and support the good centres. Got one more international season in him.
    The future looks great for us at lock. The franchises must continue to develop them. Eg. Douglads and Timani look a potentially world class lock pairing.
    Some serious and brave decisions needed!

    • Patrick

      Jones was perhaps only overshadowed by Neville due to his suspension. He’s back this week , in fact both are starting at 6 and 4 with Pyle at 5 – if they play well all would be in contention for a tourist spot, and frankly, if Neville can play as well in a damp Wellington (forecast light showers) then I think he’d be a bolter for a bench spot in the winter games.

      • Dally M

        There is no such thing as ‘light’ showers in Wellington…lol

    • aussie werewolf in london

      Are you not concerned that none of our locks are setting any standards in terms of world rugby. Take Richie Grey, the guy is almost 7ft weighs 120+ and runs and passes like an outside back. There’s also Charteris and Bekker that stand about 10cm taller than our current locks. Lawes from england is another athlete setting new standards as an athletic lock, and the french locks are setting new standards in power and strength. Then you’ve got any number of young SA locks and a couple from new zealand that are just better athletes than ours. 10 or 20 years ago our crop would be something to crow about but the game is moving into a place where 200cm/115kg locks are hardly par for the course anymore.

  • aussie werewolf in london

    Thanks for these stats and your optimism.

    Are you not concerned that there isn’t exactly a unique talent amongst them in terms of an amazing unit of a man that gets stuck in like a Richie Grey or an amazing athlete like Courtney Lawes. If you look at the rest of the world, being 200cm give or take and weighing 115kg give or take is only now par for the course. You need something more. Bekker, Charteris, Richie Grey are all 210cm/6ft10 or there abouts and there seems to be a lot of other locks around the 205cm/6ft 8 mark. In saying that if you are not 6ft 10/110cm then you then need to become a gym junky. The french locks for instance are under 200cm but they are probably candidates for worlds strongest man.

    I agree based on somatotype we should be looking at Douglas and Timani (Neville possibly) to compete with the locks of this world. I hope they continue to improve because I’m not convinced lock is not an area that we are lacking at international level.

  • the realist

    If I was Deans I’d select Horwill as blindside flanker at-least for the Wales tests.

    In my opinion Horwill is not in good enough form to be picked as one of our locks but as captain he will have to be selected if that makes sense. He plays his best rugby when he competes for the ball at the breakdown so i’ be giving him the no 6 shirt and asking him to play as a flanker. Dave Dennis is a good player but I fear he is going to not be physical enough against the heavy weigthts of rugby (i might give him a go against the scots) and I hear Elsom’s picked up another injury and besides he needs more time to get back to his influential 2007-09 form (if he ever does). With Horwill at 6 I’d play Simmons and Douglas at 4 and 5 and have Pyle and Timani in the squad maybe to play the scots. With Timani I’d be hiring someone to slap him around before he runs out to get him to fire up a bit.

  • aussie werewolf in london

    Bob thanks for the stats on players size. Very interesting but that only confirms my concerns.

    With one eye on the touring lions next year are you not concerned that we don’t have at-least one of our locks raising the bar in some way? I know Simmons, Horwill, Pyle are all 198-201cm or 6ft 6-6ft 7 and weigh around the 115kg mark but that’s only par for the course these days. Take Scotland’s Richie Grey who is about 4 to 5 inches taller (he’s only a tick under 7ft tall and weighs over 120kg yet he runs, swerves and passes like an outside centre). Certainly in this past 6 nations he has raised the bar in how dynamic a lock can be around the park. Kinda in the same way Eales raised the bar some 20 years ago. Wales have Charteris and SA have Bekker who are around the 6ft 10-11 mark but we don’t have anyone that tall. We also don’t have an athlete in the ilk of said Grey or a Courteny Lawes or any number of the young SA/NZ locks like Elstadt, Eztebeth or Whitelock or Retallick and we don’t have an enforcer either. Timani could be that type but he’s been very disappointing this year. As for the others I’m not saying they should take growth hormones or wear high heels but I would like to see one of them pumping heavier weights in the gym during next years off season. Take the french locks they are relatively short, all under the 200cm mark but they make up for it by looking like they could compete in the worlds strongest man contest. I like your optimism and I’m sure if it were 1995 we’d be delighted with the current crop of locks but the game is forever changing and as we are not producing more specimens like Vickerman/Timani we can’t delude ourselves and believe our locks are as physically prominent as other nations’. They just aren’t. I think I’ve just solved it… Let’s pay Vickerman a lot of money to stay in the game for another few seasons and pray Timani comes good as well.

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