Dwyer’s View: Ire v Fra and Aussie Conference – Disappointed!

Bob Dwyer March 6, 2012 20

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The Aussie Super Conference

Just a short note on the weekend’s Super Rugby.

Is it just me, or is the rugby being played by the Australian Super Rugby teams some way below the quality of that played by both the New Zealand and South African franchises. Our first weekend’s serving was Waratahs v Reds and Brumbies v Force and in both matches, it was a race to see which team was worse. The Brumbies won narrowly in a low standard “kick-fest” and, while I acknowledge that the Brumbies are virtually a new squad, it was not a game of Super Rugby standard. The Reds made one play of any standard, and that in the 80th minute, but that was enough to beat a Waratahs team, devoid of any quality attacking play outside of the set scrum.

This weekend’s matches saw big improvement from our top two sides, Tahs and Reds – especially from the Tahs – but one wonders whether or not this was down to the very low standard performances from their opponents, Rebels and Force, respectively.

New Zealand teams on the other hand have produced performances at the opposite end of the spectrum. Accurate passing – unknown on this side of the Tasman – straight running from flat (-ish) backlines with support runners offering options, pace to and intensity at the tackle contest, plenty of options at and around the tackle – all in all, a fair dinkum contest played by very committed contestants.

I never thought that I could say this, but even the skill level from the South African teams in general, is at a higher level than ours. Their passing has been of the highest order and, if they could learn to run straighter, they will be an even greater force.

What do our teams do at practice?

Ireland Take A Point, But Rue What Might Have Been.

Ireland scored two tries to France’s one at Stade de France – a big effort this. They led by 17 points to 6 at the half-time break – another big effort. But by the end, France had drawn level with no second half points for Ireland – a big disappointment this.

France had looked disjointed in the first half. Ireland’s defence, so quick off the line, were clearly frustrating them and we saw a couple of trademark “held up in the tackle” decisions for turnovers to Ireland. One wondered, in fact, whether this was going to be one of those “French” days, like the one they suffered at home against the Wallabies a couple of years back, but this team, led by the impressive Thierry Dusatoir, turned things completely around after the break.

On the back of a dominant set scrum and two stolen lineouts, they kept Ireland scoreless for the entire second stanza, despite Ireland having clear opportunities. Perhaps the rain, as it set in, made things too difficult for teams who can both play an expansive game. Gordon D’Arcy, for example, saw the ball simply slip from his grasp as he shaped to pass in one late Ireland attack on the French line.

It was an exciting game, played with huge intensity of defence and at the tackle contest, but I remain puzzled at the inability of both sides to finish opportunities with any score at all, in true “northern Hemisphere style”.  It has long been the mark of these teams that they clearly see an opportunity and take it by the scruff of the neck. No flippant squandering here. Yet Ireland had three lengthy second half visits to the French quarter and never really got close to any points. France had two late shots at drop-goal for one grubber and one charge down – surely Lionel Beauxis could have found a more secure spot in behind his pack. There was a lack of composure allround, from both teams.

Ireland, for the last few years, have looked threatening in attack, WHEN their fly-half – generally Jonny Sexton – plays close to the line. They fell away completely in the RWC when Ronan O’Gara, inexplicably preferred to Sexton, got deeper and deeper under pressure from Welsh defence and the same occurred on Saturday night. This time Sexton was in the pivot role, but most wider attacks were “second-line plays”. I don’t like them, even – which is rare – they are played well. They are, like cut-out passes, an excuse for poor catch-&-pass skills, and the resulting key attack is way too deep to pose any real threat to the defensive line. Add some cross-field running, seemingly an essential component of second-line plays, and most plays end up in the 5 metre channel, with some in touch. Poor play! Perhaps they have already forgotten the lessons so well delivered by Alan Gaffney.

France suffered similarly, but they at least have an understanding of eventually straightening the line, even if much too late for my likening. Still, the capacity crowd enjoyed it and their full two minute rendition of La Marseillaise in the closing minutes showed the support and hopes for a victory for their team. It was not to be.

I have been highly impressed in recent months in the quality of rugby played in the northern hemisphere and in recent weeks in the Six Nations Championship. Wales and France have looked very good; Ireland similarly in patches; England are definitely heading in the right direction; and Scotland and even Italy have some quality about them. With all of this in mind, I was eagerly awaiting this deferred match.

There were plenty of truly great players on display and most had their moments. Rob Kearney was majestic in the air and across the ground and has recaptured his Lions form of a couple of years back. Rory Best is at the top of his game, but his scrum ran a clear second.

Imanol Harinordoquy was his usual quality, Maestri looks a real player for the future, Dusautoir carried and tackled impressively.

But I expected much more and I was disappointed.

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  • meatsack

    Hmmmm… a coach blaming an attacking team for taking 3 points when the defensive team cynically infringes?

    Mr Dwyer, if you coached a team with a good kicker and a good attack that was stifled by cynical penalties slowing down the ruck would you instruct the captain to keep pushing on, kicking to the corners, only to be smothered by the defence slowing the ball down? Sure, after 25 minutes, you might get the try you deserved, but was it worth the time in dominance?

    Or would you instead, push in, every 5 minutes, take the first kickable penalty, and move on? I know you know math, so don’t listen to the league trolls. Its not the attacking teams fault penalties are more appealing, its the defending team.

    If you want more tries, I have the solution. Make penalties worth more. Commentators and pundits generally try and take the incentive away from the attacking team to kick by making penalties worth less. How about we take away the incentive for the defending team to infringe by making the kicks worth more?

    As a defender, currently, if your defensive line is out of sorts, and a try is on the cards, you’re better off playing ref roulette by slowing the ball down. If the ref doesn’t see it, you’ve given time to your team mates to set a line. If you fail, its 3 points vs 7. Make the ’3′ worth more, and you’re less likely to play the game.

    All said and done, Simmons did screw up a try (might be dislocated finger related?) And Genia is performing under par this season (though his 2011 standard is high).

    • Reds Fan 2012

      Never thought of putting the shoe on the other foot. The only problem with that is you will get smart teams milking penalties by holding players etc.

  • Joe Mac

    Im not sure I agree about the SA teams but the NZ teams look incredibly strong this season. The Tah’s are in for a really tough hit-out this weekend.

    • Old Weary

      Not sure I completely agree – Yes the Kiwi teams have looked good, but the Crusaders and Blues last week were woeful vs their previous week hitout. The chiefs blues game the week before had a terrible level of skills shown – mainly due to the weather – more than a couple of the Aussie conference games have been paid with heavy rain in the last two weeks.

      I am not saying that all the Aussie teams will be contenders – obviously that is not the case, but effectively putting them into a complete subset of the super rugby division is not accurate or some of the play we have seen

  • Guy

    I stopped reading after the first paragraph (just because im a bit ADD today), but i have to say, every year we hear and see what you are saying. The australian teams look woefully underskilled and under-mongrelled (!) compared to the blah blah

    yet we still keep bringing it.

    cant wait for the tahs v highlanders… this is going to be a massive game

    • Newter

      You should get some medication for the ADHD. Bob’s analysis is excellent and by far the best on this site.

  • Bill

    Bob another good article. The Kiwis depth is quite obvious in these early rounds as a batch of youngsters appear to be coming thru wheras the Oz S15 teams seem to include a several players whose contribution is on the wane. Should we be looking to bring some of our younger players thru more rapidly and also look at spreading the talent among the franchises like NZ. Finally on Will Genia while he is playing a different style he is having to compensate for not having Cooper outside him and they’ve been together awhile so no easy task and I’d rather have him firing at the end of the season than in rounds 1&2.

  • Alan

    Would love to hear your feelings regarding Mike Harris Bob. Alot of people – {me included} feel he should be involved with the wallabies this year

    IMO he is a fine player but most importantly his goal kicking is simply exceptional. He seems to be able to nail them from all over the field and in all manner of conditions.

    The wallabies have not had a consistent, reliable goal kicker for years – harris could well be the answer. There are plenty of other flair players in the backs for the wallabies, perhaps its time to inject a little more composure and someone who can nail the 3 and 2 pointers

    • Red Kev

      That’s a quality idea (since the retirement of Burke and Flatley the Wallabies have left a awful lot of points on the field for lack of a decent kicker) but where would you slot him in? At 10? Surely Cooper and Barnes are far superior options with their passing and attacking general play. At 12 perhaps, he could be an “Australian” Aaron Mauger but (a) I think Cooper-Barnes or Barnes-JOC are probably better five-eighth combinations than any set up involving Harris, and (b) Deans has a hard-on for McCabe in that spot. I don’t think he has the game for 13 (and I hope that McKenzie and Deans develop Tapuai in this spot because Australia desperately need a genuine centre and Rob Horne has yet to come close to the hype directed his way) or for the wings. That leaves fullback and Beale has a mortgage on that position.
      If Cooper-Harris-Tapuai gel as a combination in the second half of the season for the Reds they could be a shot for the Wallabies’ test against Scotland. But I can’t see Deans warming to them as a long-term solution.

      • Alan

        agree with pretty much everything you said Red Kev, I’ve no doubt that if the wallabies had someone of Harris’s goal kicking pedigree in the past we’d have won alot more tests.
        A reliable goal kicker will win you games that you have absolutely no right to win – thats why i think he should at least be making the squad. We have an abundance of great talent in the backs so squeezing him in will not doubt be tricky… lets just hope his form continues and that come test time we are mostly injury free, giving Deans and co plenty of food for thought

  • Robson

    Fair comment Bob, there was not just accuracy in the Kiwi conference several games so far, but a fair amount of fire. The counter rucking by the Highlanders when they defeated the Crusaders was pretty exceptional. Didn’t stay up to watch the Reds v Force – multiple yawns paralysing the “stay wake” instinct.

  • Baldy

    have to say that i disagree with you Bob about having 2 lines of attack. I am not a fan of the cutout pass, i like players to work through the hands and straighten, but when executed well, a 2nd line of attack can create just as many problems for a defence as a flatter attack utilising quick and soft hands!!

    Some of the Wallabies tries in 2010 (one against the Boks in SA comes to mind) and Reds tries from 2010-11 are perfect examples of how effective 2 lines of attack can be – although in saying all of this, the only instances in which i “like” 2 lines of attack have one common denominator – they include Quade Cooper and as I have said before on this site, nobody in world rugby can pass like he can and therefore 2 lines probably wont work for everybody else.

    Very much agree wtih you though on the SA teams Bob. Its been something i have wondered for the last 5 years, why do they only work through the hands from side to side with absolutely no deception, 2nd lines or changes of angle. They have good skills but seriously lack any knowledge of what constitutes effective backline play. I will say that i am scared that if they figure it out or get a coach to teach them they will be practically unbeatable (in the same mould as the Kiwis). In terms of pure athletecism they sit on par with the Kiws and i hope they continue to stumble in this area for many years to come :)

    On the whole – love your opinion Bob even if i dont agree 100% with everything, this site and the comments / opinions on it demonstrate why Rugby is such a brilliant sport!!

  • RJ

    Think we should remember reds started last season with a massive loss in Sydney and a 1 point win over the force and then they went on to win the title. Just an observation.

    Certaintly dont want to be playing your best rugby in round 1. Remember how unstoppable the tahs and blues were last year in the early rounds.

    Also, torrential rain didnt help last weekend. I just dont think you can compare two seperate games. Another mans grass is always greener.

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  • Blinky Bill of Bellingen

    When I watched the NZ games (I’m thinking Highlanders / Chiefs in particular here) and I wondered ‘how the hell are we going to match the pace & skill level of this lot’.

    Well here we are coming up to 3 weeks into it and the Tahs are starting to build nicely or at least that’s what I’m telling myself. Will we be good enough come Saturday?

    I’m liking our set pieces, urgency at the breakdown, quick ball from the 9 (finally) and defence generally. Hats off to the coaching staff there.

    2 areas I’d love to see improved are goal kicking and passing the ball infront for the man to run on to. I understand Burkey is working away on the kicks but why we still struggle with fundamentals such as passing the ball for the man to run onto is a mystery to me.

    This should be a bloody great match & can’t wait to get a better look at the new indoor stadium.

    Go the Tahs!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Jimbo81

    Reds are only warming up. 2011 was a long season. had some time off. As for South African skills – I couldn;t disagree more – they are a nation that won’t feature in 2012. They look OK at the moment because they’re playing rubbish opposition.

  • godfrey

    “If Cooper-Harris-Tapuai gel as a combination in the second half of the season for the Reds they could be a shot for the Wallabies’ test against Scotland”

    ahahahahahahahahaahahah, pharking reds fans dear me.

    Cooper cant tackle, Harris couldn’t run out of sight on a foggy night and Tapuai is 4ft tall. Yeah, leave Barnes, Horne, JOC and christ even Faingaa right out of the consideration!!

  • Bones

    Godfrey

    What you need when you pick a Wallabies team are players who can shine at that level. Tapaui always is in the right place to finish a try, step through someone, make something happen.

    JON has been a huge promoter of Horne for years, but I have never seen justification. One straight run I remember, and good defence (although he missed Shipperly for his try). Barnes is a journyman at international level. Sorry.

    The Wallabies have to avoid picking journeymen. 10 O’Connor, 13 Tapaui. If Harris can run as hard as McCabe, Harris for 12. He is already a better distributor. Cooper off the bench, like Samo, for unbeatable impact as the game opens up and defences tire.

  • Jimbo81

    McCabe should never again be picked at test level – no attacking ability whatsoever

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