Dwyer’s View: Looking forward to it

Bob Dwyer June 4, 2012 63

No GravatarWe had two teams with a bye weekend – Reds and Force – but we still gained some valuable information, for both the immediate and long term benefits of all of our coaches and teams.

The Brumbies seemed a little off their game in their match against the Rebels and, as we saw with the Crusaders a few weeks ago in Melbourne and with the Sharks yesterday away to the Lions, any team can win any game, if you’re not switched on and ready. I hope that the Brumbies can refocus during the break and get back to doing the easy things well and let the talent of the players do the rest.

Nic White’s play, for example, had been an object lesson for all other Aussie scrum-halves – including Will Genia – but recently he has developed a back-swing and a little skip-step before delivering. Whilst seemingly minor problems, they are actually big faults which detract significantly from his team’s attacking play.

Hooper about to be penalised. Pics thanks to @goodday_toyou

Michael Hooper gave away three penalties in 30 minutes, giving opportunity, points and confidence to the Rebels. But to me, of much more importance, is the indication of a negative mind-set on his part — ‘I have to cheat in order to beat my opponent’. He played OK, but I want to see the fresh, brash, ‘let-me-at-’em, I couldn’t care less about their reputation’ Michael Hooper again. The good signs for the Brumbies were that Kimlin was great again, Fardy was effective and non-stop, Andrew Smith has a bit more about his game each week, Coleman again showed his pace and balance, and a 20-year-old prop, Scott Sio, did not look out of place.

The Rebels are not a great side, but they did very well for half a game, showing great commitment and determination. As I said a few weeks back, Luke Jones looks good at No. 6 and may well develop to the next level. Phipps had his moments, but boy, do we need some quality scrum-halves to support Genia. They deserve their five players – plus O’Connor when fit – in the Wallabies squad and have given opportunity and direction to Neville, Pyle and Vuna. This is significant.

We learnt a few things also about the Waratahs; perhaps we already knew them. They ask no questions in attack and they’re not fit. We’ve probably seen one or two well executed starter plays from them, all season. And this is the easy bit. You get to rehearse these repeatedly at practice, against both little and increasing pressure. You’d think that with Barnes, AAC, Horne, Foley and the wingers, you’d be able to come up with something. But no, virtually nothing at all!

Perhaps the fact that they cannot pass accurately for any sequence of plays, could have something to do with that fact! The Hurricanes had only to tackle – not read quality attacking threats, just tackle – for a number of phases, then prosper from a Waratahs mistake. Then the Tahs ran out of puff and the quality attack from the Hurricanes – accuracy, pace, support, urgency – gave them another try.

I was remembering the Hurculean defensive efforts from the Wallabies versus the Boks in Wellington last year and then I saw the same from the Stormers versus the Bulls in Pretoria yesterday – now this is fair-dinkum commitment! (By the way, if you want to see a genuine contribution to team performance from a No. 6, take a look at Siya Kolisi with the Stormers yesterday.)

Positives came from TPN, Dennis and Palu. Foley had his moments and Mitchell played a game. The Waratahs need some more good players – Hooper is a good start – and they need to train harder and tougher. Surely backs coach Alan Gaffney, with all his ability and experience, can help Barnes get his attacking line going. (Standing about five metres flatter and getting rid of a preponderance of poorly executed second-line plays would be a start.) If he can’t, then Barnes is going to have to move, possibly even to the bench.

The Test selection looks good – especially so, given the Saturday-Tuesday-Saturday programme.

I like the front row. I think that Slipper at loosehead is our best; Moore is in form and very good; Palmer is a great tighthead, almost in the old mould. It’s best to start with Timani; he plays best with the game at pace. Tomane, Ioane and Morahan should be a potent force from the back. We lack creativity from 10, 12 and 13, so counter-attack will be important for us.

I’m looking forward to it.

Discussion »

  • werewolf

    Absolutely bang on yet again Bob. I come on here to really let loose on anyone talking nonsense (there is a lot) and I rarely have anything to disagree with you about. Trust me if I do disagree I will take liberty to let you know…. in a respectful way of course Sir.

    May I ask your opinion on the scheduling of two matches this week against two 6 nations sides forcing us not to play our freshest and or strongest sides in either match. I think it is a recipe for disaster considering this is the year that counts for the 2015 world cup draw. If we drop out of the top 3 in to say 4th we’d draw the all blacks in the semi presuming they are ranked 1st of course. We need to stay 2nd or 3rd and giving the scots and welsh a good shot against us is madness in my opinion. Should O’neill have told the scots to jog on?

  • Red Kev

    Hey Bob – given that you were once a decent coach with international experience you should at least know that Siya Kolisi from the Stormers is an open side flanker. Yes he wears number 6 instead of number 7 but that’s a South African affection. Nice attempt to denigrate Scott Higginbotham without mentioning him though, just a shame you got your facts wrong, again.

    • Joe Mac

      Big Kev,

      If you don’t like Bob’s articles. Troll somewhere else mate.

      It’s a privilege to read articles from a world cup winning coach. Especially when he writes them for free.

      Thanks again Bob, would you consider ever coming back to coach the Tah’s? They could certainly do with some help!

      • jimmy

        Bob, the Tahs could certainly use someone to teach them how to “do the basics well’. They seem to have forgotten how to catch and pass the ball properly.

        Apart from also being out of shape, the rest of their game isn’t all that bad.

        Please come and help us Bob – surely there is someone in Australia that can turn around a team with that much talent.

    • johnny-boy

      Post of the year Red Kev. Hilarious. Bob’s “indication of a negative mind-set on his part – “I have to cheat in order to beat my opponent.” would be straight out of the kiwi mccaw coaching manual woudnt it ?

    • Antony

      Mate, can you stop having a go at Bob? I actually enjoy reading these articles, and if you keep being a dick he’ll stop writing them.

      • Red Kev

        If Bob can post two articles in a row where he resists the temptation to have a go at the best performed Australian forward of the last two years (well second best, I would keep Pocock as number one) then I will stop having a go at him.
        I enjoy reading his column as well, I just dislike this thinly veiled unjustified attacks on players that are performing well. It reads like petulance and I expect better from a man who was one of rugby’s great innovating coaches.
        I also expect better than “not far off” spin regarding the Waratahs, I can get that nonsense Michael Foley.

        • TerribleTowel

          Bob didn’t have a go at the second best performed forward of the last two years… he only had nice things to say about Stephen Moore! ;)

        • Alan

          give yourself an uppercut mate and quit being so ridiculously pedantic

          Bob has never hidden his praise and/or criticism of any player in his writings here, so why would he start now?

          Now i may be wrong, please correct if so, but im guessing that Bob is more knowledgable and has achieved more in our beloved sport than you??

          you could show a little more gratitude in being able to get an insight into the thoughts of not just ”a decent coach with international experience” – dont belittle his achievements you hack, he’s a WC winning coach, give him the respect he deserves

        • Red Kev

          Alan, as a coach I would grant Bob Dwyer all the respect he has earned if he were coaching me.
          As an opinion writer I will grant his written articles only the respect they deserve.
          Bob’s comment about Kolisi was a designed to be understood reference to last week’s Dwyer’s View in which Bob heavily criticised Higginbotham’s contribution to the Reds’ victory over the Brumbies. It was yet another cheap shot against Higginbotham by bibby-bob and I have little doubt it was deliberately written to provoke a response.
          If Bob wrote an intelligent critique of Higginbotham’s performances within the framework of the gameplan and structure of a match I would read critically and pay attention. But week after week of trashy one line attacks on someone that most other rugby opinion writers (Horan, Marshall, Loe to name a few) have praised for consistent good performances this season is nothing but lazy writing based on inherent Waratah bias.
          As such it and Bob (and you) deserve nothing more than my barely concealed contempt.

      • Rhino

        Mate, it’s an opinion site. Red Kev is as entitled to his point of view as Bob is to his. Wouldn’t be much fun if we all agreed 100% of the time.

        And Red Kev – that’s gold. Higgers will be having a chuckle.

    • johnny-boy

      Bob’s protective love for Elsom knows no bounds. He’s like a werewolf under an English moon.

    • werewolf

      you have serious paranoid issues re scott higcantbebothered. he didn’t mention him.

      [DROP THE PLAYER SLANGING - ED]

      • werewolf

        Thats ridiculous and you are out of control! I am entitled to my opinion. If i think he is a shit player than I will continue to write it.

        Scott Higginbotham is an over rated, lazy, fairy floss player and is not worthy of the gold jersey.

        Censor it and I’ll just continue writing it.

        • Antony

          You need to calm down as well.

        • http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/ Matt Rowley (Gagger)

          Good luck with that

        • the realist

          I’m confused. Where did it become not okay to express opinions on this site that are not necessarily popular?

          Could we get a list of acceptable opinions please so that we know which ones to express now that we are living in communist china?

          Gagger what is the point of this site if you’re not allowed to say a player isn’t any good?

          Keep it real!

        • Tahman

          I am with werewolf. Gagged are you really censoring opinions on certain players. This blog site is becoming a joke. All he’s been saying is higgers is not a good player. That’s his opinion and it’s backed up by stats and atleast one world cup winning coach!

        • Realist

          I am with werewolf. Gagged are you really censoring opinions on certain players. This blog site is becoming a joke. All he’s been saying is higgers is not a good player. That’s his opinion and it’s backed up by stats and atleast one world cup winning coach!

        • werewolf

          Gagger we all have different opinions. Censorhsip on a blog site now thats one for the ages. Is this communist china? Thanks for the personal email. As you have banned me now I shall no longer blog on your website and I wish all my fellow bloggers the best of luck with a reminder only blog the opinions allowed!

          And Higginbotham is *********************************************

          Werewolf out!

        • Rj

          I have concluded from 1 month of research that The Realist and the warewolf are the same person. Not keeping it very real with all your aliases.

        • Pie Thrower

          werewolf you are a bore. You (like the realist) are fast turning this site into something that many of us come here to avoid. A place where small minded loudmouths come to to shoot off their unsubstantiated views. You remind me of Barnaby Joyce – you seem to think that if you repeat your views enough and shout them everyone will all of a sudden agree with you. So why don’t you slide back to the walkabout, order yourself a snakebite, and hang out with the other ferals that inhabit those places. I’m sure some of the lowbreeds in there will be able to debate you on your terms – i.e. shouting over the 4th replay of Land Down Under whilst not actually being able to hear you.

      • blaa blaaa

        My pal werewolf has asked me to post this on his behalf because gagger has banned him due to his anti Higginbotham sentiment. Bob’s blog that you are entitled to your opinion is actually not so.

        Clearly this website is not what it seems. You must not think for yourself and you may only blog pre-approved opinions otherwise you will be banned!

        Communist china anyone? Sure you have your little bubble of opinion back but at what price!

        • johnny-boy

          Good on you Gagger. There are obviously some smart arse kiwis and mungoes who have been assigned to belittle and undermine Australian rugby on Aussie blogs. Tell them to f… off to the Roar.

        • Bobby

          Werewolf and realist have been out of control on this site for 2 weeks now. Some may think they are one and the same?

      • Patrick

        I’m glad that comment got moderated.

        It is easy from our armchairs, and in our fairly founded frustration, to lose sight of the fact that precious few of these guys are deliberately doing any less than their best.

        It’s fair enough to say that players don’t appear to have certain skills, or are playing the wrong way, aren’t working enough, appear to be badly coached/advised or don’t appear to be giving it their all.

        But it seems silly to personally hate or abuse players (unless they wear black, in which case it’s obviously fine).

    • Baldwid

      Red Kev – mate if you knew anything about Rugby you would know that South Africans dont really play a proper number 7! Their number 6′s although the same effectively as our 7′s have never really been fetchers in the Brussow, Pocock mould. They have all effectively been another blind side flanker who cause destruction at the ruck and smash past the ball, not pilfer – Burger, Krige etc… I honestly reckon when you win the RWC you have a right to comment in the same thread/page as Bob

  • Red Kev

    I’ll pay that TerribleTowel. Touche.

  • muffy

    As much respect as I have for Bob, and I look at things in a different way after every one of his write ups, I think Kev does have a point…. we all know Higgers is a player that polarises the supporters…and there are very few fence sitters….I am in the Higgers camp, and will be even when he is a Rebel…but there are many that disagree with me (they are all wrong but :) )

    Bob has broad enough shoulders to take the criticism, clearly he is not bothered….he is not about to pick up his bat and ball just because some people take issue with one of his opinions.

    Could be worse… he could sign off with “just keepin’ it real”

    • jimmy

      In fairness to Bob and this site at least the articles are posted under the “opinion” heading.

      In NZ, opinion pieces are generally found on the front page and contain lots of terms like “fact” within them.

    • RJ

      gold muffy. He keeps it real, I keep it red.

    • the realist

      Somebody has to keep it real.

      Many of you actually believe the shite that dribbles out of your mouth.

      Just keeping it real.

      • Trys NOT Kicks

        I usually enjoy reading the comments section. I like to see other peoples opinions. I believe it helps to develop my understanding and look at the game from a different angle. Hell I even enjoy reading some of your opinions. The key however mate is that it is an opinion just like anyone else’s, not fact and not better than the next man along’s opinions-so play the ball and not the man and I will be more inclined to read your opinions (I reckon the rest will to) without automatically labelling it a, as you would put it, “as shit that dribbles out of your mouth.”

      • Wolfie

        Nicely put.

        Realist I think you have a wealth of rugby knowledge and love the game, which is fantastic, and because of this you’ve formulated some strong opinions. Some I agree with, some I don’t. But that’s exactly what it is, an opinion, not something you have to ram down everyone’s throat with (occasionally) breathtaking arrogance.

        I respect anyone who stands by their opinion (incl. yourself, RedKev etc) but the way some of you blokes go about it is, quite honestly, pathetic.

        I’m crossing my fingers that with 4 tests in the next 3 weeks plus the finals of S15 that this site returns to intelligent discourse on rugby, rather than a slanging match. I can’t read much more of Growden’s “rumours” and I’m terrified of going back!

  • The Other Dave

    Good article again. We all know his views on Higgo, and not all of us agree with them… however unlike Werewolf and The Realist, he doesn’t spend his waking hours trolling teh intenets with ‘em. So yes, it goes unmentioned; he also gave a pretty scathing critique of Barnes’s work this year, yet didn’t mention his selection – we can read between the lines.
    I completely agree with his assessment of the NSW backline. Australian Rugby prides itself on having attacking backlines, largely because of the heavy mungo influence, and the tahs have the cattle to unsettle any opposition, but they just seem directionless, and if they don’t have the fitness to close out games, what exactly were they doing all summer?

    • Red Kev

      It would be pretty unfair to criticise the selection of Barnes, he is pretty much last man standing. Hopefully he can take a leaf out of Stephen Donald’s book and just do the business.

  • http://www.bobdwyerrugby.com Bob Dwyer

    Kev. If I, and others in fact, have a different opinion to you, and others also, that is acceptable in a forum such as this. If one person can assess a performance as excellent and other/s disagree, and vice-versa – then they are entitled to that view – especially so when supported by many years of high-level experience and /or stats, etc (from others). A more intelligently expounded view, rather than claims of bias, blindness, man-love, etc, would also be entirely acceptable and more appropriate and helpful!
    Re Kolisi. Strangely I also understand that SA have their open-side in #6, however, I referred to Kolisi’s performance, which for me was a benchmark #6 performance as I want it. It was certainly not a “fetcher’s” performance. Just by the way, if jersey numbers are vital to you, SH has been playing in the #8 jersey of late – with no difference whatsoever in his performance – and will again on Tuesday.

    • Red Kev

      I said it somewhere else and you can make me eat the quote next year if you please, Higginbotham will be the Wallabies’ first choice number eight by the time the Lions arrive regardless of Palu’s fitness. He has made the shift to eightman and it will only be cemented at the Rebels.
      If you dislike the way a team plays their number six surely your ire would be better directed at the coach who is directing the game plan?

      • the realist

        Red Kev Higgers has done nothing that a world class forward should be doing. He has become in reality the Elsom you perceive.

        Palu is clearly the more influential player. It might be that Higginbotham’s destiny is to usurp him but that has not gone close to happening yet.

        Red Kev try to keep it real. (I know you won’t, you are too parochial….. a form of ignorance in my opinion)

        Looking forward to the test. Pay attention to what SH actually contributes. I’ll be happy to eat my words if he plays a blinder.

        • Trys NOT Kicks

          I have to agree-in my opinion a hard as nails ball wrecking player is what we need-something to get over the gain line and get us going forward

    • Goldie

      You didn’t need to reply Bob, everyone know’s Red Kev is really SH’s mum. I think most people also understood you were making the point about the way Kolisi played, not insinuated others played poor. If Kev want’s to chase shadows, let him, he’s got every right to I guess.

      On another topic though, I am concerned with what seems to be a lot of missed forward passes. Do the ref’s have a debrief and talk about how to reduce the number of missed passes? If they do, their solution isn’t working. I believe in some cases, it’s changed the momentum of the game.

    • the realist

      Bob would you agree that the benchmark no 6 play this year has come from wales’ Dan Lydiate in the 6 nations.

      If not he’ll be giving a master class starting saturday with the course lasting for the next 3 weeks.

      None off the fairy floss all of the substance. Watch and learn Red Kev and co!

  • mjw

    Bob, interested in your comment regarding the Tahs not being fit. Is it possible that the end of year tour last year was responsible for interfering with the traditional strength and conditioning time pre season? Any other reasons for Tahs having such a poor season? There must be some reason good players and good coaches are not delivering.

    • RedMan

      Serious heart-lidge injury?

      • Joker

        It is very infectious and communicable. Rocky brought a vicious new strain to the tahs.

        • werewolf

          Yes Elsom is also solely responsible for global climate change, the economic down turn in Europe and he was the second gunman on the grassy knoll.

        • Red Kev

          No Rocky Elsom was supposed to be the second gunman on the grassy knoll, but he sprained his trigger finger the week before JFK’s tour hit Dallas and so sat on his couch for 12 months collecting pay.

  • mattyinred

    For Godsakes – lets all take a breath and agree our backrow depth is not an issue (our bickering over the past few blogs justify this).

    Lets focus on the part of Bob’s commentary and more importantly the challenge we face in our squad – WTF is happening with our midfield and could we please find/settle some depth and stability in the 10,12,13… that is what is going to kill the wallabies during this period.

    • RedMan

      Totally agree. The make up of the Wallabies backrow has been debated/argued/bitched about enough for the past couple of weeks. I think it’s time to give it a rest and discuss something else.

  • muffy

    Can’t wait….getting excited….got to say we have started to piss and moan a bit too much as a collective, not so long ago this was a mecca for positive rugby chat and constructive abuse….sigh…those were the days

    Anyway…tally ho…Onward an upward…..,.CAAARN WALLABIES!!

    See you at Suncorp … the fortress and Queenslands gift to Australia (just for this weekend that is)

    • jrsONE

      I think we all know what influenced the change … just keeping it real.

  • From the Republic

    Despite residing at altitude in the republic with dark green blood flowing thickly through my veins, I thoroughly enjoy bob’s columns. I believe you’re spot on in your analysis of Nic White – there has definitely been a drop in the “crispness” of his service. I disagree on your assessment of Hooper on the other hand – he’s is a future superstar and a great understudy to Pocock. His penalty issues on the weekend were simply inexperience and I back Jake to work with him through it (think Schalk in 2006…). I hope he gets some game time against scotland.

    The thing (note: singular) that has impressed me most about Australian rugby this season is the young talent typified in the brumbies play. Wow – Jake is a superb “team manager” and understands the softer elements that make up a good team.

    Personally, I believe the wallabies will be undercooked in the winter tests with too many “rent-seekers” in the older players and obviously inexperience in the debutants. It’s a pity Horwill is out as he’s a strong leader. Berrick is your only choice at 10 with no one else putting their hand up.

    Robbie Deans has got to view the 2012 test season as his final stand on road to 2015. Fail and he’ll be shipped back to New Zealand faster than Quade jumping over a fence after a bachelors.

    • muffy

      Thanks Dutchie, its good to have objective insight (except when it comes to JW)…now, what about that Higg…no…no…dont go there :) :)

      Keep posting..

  • bill

    ahhh! yes, well…what would i like to see? Epic Rap Battles of History Scott Higganbotham vs Bob Dwyer… that’d be f*ng awesome!

    Bob has some points, and we should hold people to performance, we should also recognise when some guys offer something outside the neat little pigeonhole convention ascribes to them.

    Qld couldn’t replace Hugh McMenimen when he went, they won’t replace Higganbotham next year either. Just like you don’t replace the Wally Lewis’s, Darren Lockyer’s, Matt Cockbain’s, Will Genia’s, Toutai Kefu’s, David Peachey’s, Greg Inglis’s or Billy Slater’s of this world.

    But that’s the benefit of being a rugby nursery, eventually someone steps up to excite.

    • Patrick

      Ok, seriously, Higginbotham may or may not be good but he is certainly not in Genia’s class, let alone Wally Lewis, Darren Lockyer or Greg Inglis.

      And comparing him to Billy Slater????

    • liam

      that is well mental bro. you do realise that a guy like darren lockyer is a giant in his sport? like, living legend? slater is undisputed and has been for years, most consistent freakshow genius ever. these guys DOMINATE their code and have for years and years.

      scott who? seriously. the guys an ok player, with pros and cons, but for gods sake. even he would be embarassed to see you stick his name next to guys who have proved themselves actual legends.

      then again genia needs more than one good year under his belt to sit in with those names too. what have you been drinking.

  • Robson

    Bob can you explain why you want Berrick to stand five metres flatter than he is? I’m not contesting your statement, I’m merely curious as to why you say as much as 5 metres or maybe this was just a generalisation. I’d be grateful for your feedback.

    • mark conley

      I was thinking the same Robson, would love to know, mark

  • Durp

    Lol at Red Kev. Bob is just praising a brilliant performance from Kolisi (you obviously did NOT watch the game – you’re a reds fan, not a rugby fan)

    Higginbottom is useless and a fake hard man.

    • commonasmud

      Oh change the record Margaret!

      BTW – that must be 400,000 of fake shekels the Rebs handed over for the fake hard man too. He should have gone to the Tahs, they’ve been faking it for at least 10 years now.

  • Dave

    Any chance someone from the site can just bite the bullet and make a Scott Higgenbotham forum that all these fools can waste their life on so we can talk about literally anything else?

    No matter your opinion on Scott or Bob nothing is going to change. Scott will keep playing, Bob will keep writing and the only two people whose opinion of Higgenbotham matter will be Robbie Deans and Ewen McKenzie who are picking him to start.

    Isn’t anyone else tired of how every week the forums consistently digress to Higgenbotham? Bob is a world cup winning coach and while I personally disagree with his views on a certain player I would hope we could read past one line in parentheses and discuss some other thoughts he has about Australian rugby.

  • Damo

    Changing the subject and rolling right to the bottom of Bob’s article re creativity in the midfield. I don’t think there is a more outcomes positive skill in midfield (and maybe elsewhere) than passing to an outside player in space and putting the ball out in front of him. The skill seems to have no priority any more. The objective now seems to be simply to shovel the ball out 2 or 3 passes to a new contact point. I wonder is it an absence of the skill, the result of so much defensive pressure at this level- or no priority in practising the skill under pressure. No better illustration than watching a Chiefs game and see the effectiveness of SBW when he recives the ball in front of him vs reaching behind him to collect a crap pass. (I’ve got a similar view about the pass and wrap around- it almost always works, but is rarely used anymore)
    Apologies for moving off topic here but I think we covered it enough.

  • Skippy

    I cannot beleive a former World Cup winning coach can write an article, an opinion piece on a website and then lower himself to reply to some mugs comments. Bob… next time mate, don’t bother, your better than that.

    I think the late Jacin Sinclair (Former Tiger and Rabbitohs player) once summed it up best when journalist Piers Akerman fronted a media conference when some match fixing allegations arose. I recall Sinclair’s response to Akerman was “who are you? You’re an egg… you’ve never laced on a boot”. Bob, feel free to dish that out in the future.

    For what it’s worth… Higgers is an elite athlete…just like anyone good enough to play proffressional sport. Is a world beater? No. Will he be? Maybe one day. But there is certainly plenty of criticism that can be thrown his way about his failings and areas of improvement. The boy has a long way to go before he can rightfully claim to be better than Rocky Elsom at his prime and many of the other fine 6 and 8 players in Wallaby history. Personally his starting position in the Wallabies says more about the quality and depth of Aus Rugby than his ability/brilliance at this stage of his career. But good luck to the kid.

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