Dwyer’s view: Tahs Find A New Way to Lose

Bob Dwyer February 27, 2012 42

No Gravatar    I’ve been really looking forward to the new Super Rugby season. I’d looked at the Tahs squad and I’d picked my starting line-up and save for a few worries about one centre position, I’d figured that this team will take some beating. High excitement!

Then came the reality. Half a dozen or so of my selection – and that of quite a few others, I suspect – are unavailable. First match v the Queensland Reds, the champions, and although they are without Quade Cooper, they can still field the highly competent, Mike Harris. I can’t see us winning, I thought!

Nevertheless, I set out on the nearly two hour drive from my farm to ANZ Stadium. Loyalty is needed and, with strong home town support, who knows? Undaunted by a highway closure and an extra 40 minute detour, I knew that I would still be on time. I had planned for most delays and allowed plenty of time.

Cliffy was looking cut. Pretorius would provide a proper scrum-half. Our test front row was together – incredibly! Rob Horne playing! Maybe our plan to have virtually no serious pre-season games could work – after all, Cliff, TPN, Benny, Rob, all on the pitch together. It was always going to be tough against a hot Reds team, but, at home, maybe.

By midway through the second half, I was happy – but only with the scoreboard. We were ordinary. Alignment and realignment was all over the place. Players standing in the way – perhaps “loitering” is more accurate – frequently had to duck to allow the pass. Our support play was – once again – atrocious. You may think that I’m exaggerating and a harping critic. I’ll give you the example of Benn Robinson, in the 66th minute. Now I have been a Ben Robinson fan for a long time – since he played Reserve Grade for Eastwood, actually – but he was dreadful.

In this incident (video below), Pretorius put Halangahu through on an inside pass and he carried to around five metres from the try-line.  Robinson was well positioned to support, but as he arrived – first man to arrive actually – he moved to the side of the tackle, about one metre away, and just stood there and watched. The try line a dive (long) away and he stood there! When I add his pathetically lazy off-side penalty on the stroke of half time, I have to wonder just how much work he has done, or if, indeed, he was ready to play.

He had plenty of mates. I can’t recall, for example, one instance of a “second touch” – always a sign of enthusiasm and accurate lines – from a Waratah player in the entire match. I watched and did not see Daniel Halangahu “chase” his pass once in the entire match. There were around three instances in the game where a second touch, or just a loop around the ball-carrier, would have set up overlaps and potential tries, but no-one seemed interested. Rob Horne – another player I have rated – seemed in fact, totally disinterested, in any action which would have provided continuity with urgency.

Then we come to the off-field decisions. Our two best players were, unquestionably, Cliffy Palu and Sarel Pretorius. Who did we replace? Cliffy and Sarel, of course. Why not take off our best players and put on those well-know match winners, Lopeti Timani and Brendan Mc Kibbin! Is there some deal which demands that certain players get match time? Why otherwise would we take from the field, the two players most likely to set us up for the win. And to top that off, McKibbin gives the ball back to the Reds, in the dying moments of the game, to see if they are good enough to get a last second try for the win. Well he found out. They were good enough. They had the enthusiasm, the courage, the commitment, the skill and the pace to score. Well done to them.

But what about the Tahs? Just when we thought that we’d seen it all, they come up with another unimaginable way to lose. I wonder if our players watch any top level rugby. Perhaps they feel that they are top level. They are mistaken. It is not unimaginable that they may have watched the final of the World Cup last year and they may have seen New Zealand recover possession from France with a few minutes to go. Did New Zealand give the ball back to France to see if they were good enough? Not likely!

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  • Dally M

    Can’t remember any of the forwards running on to the ball in the match either, it was all hitting it up from a standing start.

    • Bay35Pablo

      How is that different from the last few years? My constant gripe ….

  • Fin

    I spent a fair bit of time throwing shit around my loungeroom after the final whistle.

    I think they were still the better team, at least they created some turn over oppurtunities with their defense.

    I assume you saw the first match of the round, once again the aussie sides seem to be a far way behind.

  • Jimbo81

    no heart NSW – why QLD will always win!

    • Barbarian

      Except for the times they don’t win. And even then they are a gutsy second to NSW’s flukey first.

  • Guy

    If there us one thing a NSWelshman should appreciate; Never give a QLDer (or a kiwi for that matter) the ball when they need to win the game. Unbelievable

  • theyank

    Just watched the highlights of the famous wallaby win over all blacks in the 90′s, Dwyer rules! Wish that type of aggressive kicking/ excellent ball movement was still around in wallaby play. Although I do think some of it has to do with the incredible athleticism athletes today possess, (i.e) the ability to undercut passes or make line breaking.

    I too was shocked when they took out Palu and Pretorious, my only guess was that they felt confident in their backups, and possibly also wanted Palu to finish on a high note, (scoring that try), without risking any injury or strain at the beginning of the season.

    What I enjoyed the most about the wallabies of old was that their kicking wasn’t a way to take pressure off as much as it was to put pressure on. Ball control is much more secure late in the game than kicking to a fullback or wing who has fresh legs from standing around all game. HA!

    • Bay35Pablo

      Foley is still clearly reading “The Chris Hickey Guide to Substituting Players”.

      Rule 1 – Replace your MotM when he has just scored what should be the winning try.

      Given Tom Carter (the best inside centre in the world – sotto voice) apparently called for McKibbin to kick long ending in Shipperley’s try, the substitution may have actually lost us the game. Can you see Sarel listening to such a dumb call?

    • Bay35Pablo

      I take it back. One report managed to actually repeat what Foley said in the post game, that ”Sarel had started to tighten up and get cramps so we made the decision to take him off,” Foley said.

      http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/union-news/waratahs-not-losing-heads-over-lapse-of-concentration-20120226-1twky.html#ixzz1nXweUOKM

  • Blinky Bill of Bellingen

    When written like Bob has, it looks bad, really bad. But I ask myself ‘how then were we in front & scored more tries’? I’d have to reason that Qld were even worse. In fact if not for the penalties (most through ill discipline) and the magic boot of Harris, I’m left wondering where Qld could have gained points at all.

    I’m still not completely over how we gave that ball back with seconds to go & what needed to be done instead (retain possession & wind down the clock). However I think it’s time for Tahs fans to get behind the boys, look for the positives & let Foley & his team deal with things.

    • commonasmud

      That’s the spirit Bill! Great to see Cliffy in good form and (touch wood) uninjured. Taf was busy, but for christ’s sake can’t one of the other forwards throw in the ball instead of him! (maybe one of the loosies – he plays like an extra backrower anyway)

      If I was a Tahs fan, I’d be taking more out of that game than the Reds. There’s some seriously good depth in NSW rugby.

      All the same – go the Reds!!

      • Willy

        Why not play TPN at openside?

        I’ve suggested this in the past, and been shot down… but I reckon he looks a natural.

  • Joe Mac

    I watched the replay of the last ten minutes maybe five times after the game. Chris Alcock went out of his way to miss at least five tackles. It was like he was trying to create gaps in the defence so the Reds could score. He has heart but is incredibly ineffective, unless of course he was trying to throw the game. Jono Jenkins on the bench would have plugged all the gaps. Why they persist with Alcock is beyond me…

  • Willy

    I’m a Tahs fan in the S15 and a Tigers fan in the NRL, so I see a lot of these two teams.

    The difference in basic passing and running skills between those two organisations is incredible.

    The Tigers are absolute masters at quickly moving the ball with aggression – passes are quick and out in front. Support players hit the ball at pace, and run into the gaps between defenders (as opposed to into defenders) with real purpose.

    The Tahs on the other hand are… well, they’re exactly the opposite.

    They struggle with support play, they struggle to use space, they struggle to master basic passing skills… I saw half a dozen potential overlaps on Saturday night that would have resulted in tries if the right basic skills were applied. Instead, they were squandered.

    There is a lot to admire about how this Tahs teams plays rugby – they’re physical and committed and spirited. But the lack of basic skills is killing them.

    • Bay35Pablo

      Let’s hope Gaffney saw all that then ….

      … because Hickey & Co didn’t the last few years, or fix it.

      • Stin

        Bob, can you actually call Gaffney please?!!!! At least suggest they try some ‘pass following’ and loop plays etc. I think you probably have his number!

  • Brax

    A bit more focus on the Reds would have made this a good article, but it was just a whine on the Tah’s shortcomings….. I thought this was an all inclusive Australian Rugby site, hope it’s not turning into yet another NSW centric wankfest….. we’d all die of boredom!

    • Dally M

      Apart from the fact Bob is a confirmed Tah’s supporter, QLD were pretty ordinary, so guess there wasn’t much to write about.

      • Brax

        They were less ordinary than NSW….. scoreboard says so.

        • Dally M

          Clearly you didn’t watch the match, or are just a deluded QLD fan.

        • Timo9

          Brax is right….. Look at the scoreboard, Reds were better team when it mattered most end of story!

        • Bay35Pablo

          I take the PdV approach …. :)

        • Dally M

          Yeah & Steven Bradbury was the best speed skater at the 2002 Winter Olympics.

          Who said Queenslanders couldn’t be funny!

        • RJ

          The better team on the night was the one with the most points on the scoreboard after 80 minutes. nothing else matters. It’s all just excuses and denial after that.

          Well done reds for being the superior team on saturday night. Ya smashed em.

        • Reds Fan 2012

          Dally. If the Tahs didn’t give away penalties every time the Reds started attacking then the score could have been a lot worse against the Tahs. How a yellow card wasn’t lifted in that first half was baffling because they were all for the same thing.

        • Brax

          Dally, the same things were said about the Reds at the beginning of last season, if you look back I think you’ll find they were crowned champions, hence there is no such thing a “deluded” Qld fan, at least not this year.
          I think you’ll also find that the Reds lead for most of that game, due to cheating from NSW, therefore, apart from around a 20 minute spell in the 2nd half, Qld were the superior side…. plenty to write about there and not a delusion to be seen!

        • Dally M

          I guess I and pretty much every other journo watched a different game than you did.

          The Tah’s scored 3 tries to 1, the Qld scrum was given a lesson & the Reds gave away almost as many penalties.

          Don’t get me wrong, i’m not saying the Reds are no good. Far from it. I even made $150 on the fact the stupid bookies had the Tah’s as favourites & the Reds $2.20 outsiders, but they were less ordinary than the Tah’s apart from the last 30 seconds & the Tah’s deserved to lose it because of that.

          But at least i am honest and admit when my team gets lucky & wins, when they weren’t the better team. Something it seems you guys can’t do.

        • Brax

          You obviously did watch a different game mate…. 2 tries to one in the game I watched. Going by the amount of penalties the Reds kicked, if the Tah’s hadn’t have been cheating there may have been a good chance of the Reds scoring more tries…. first game of the year, beating NSW at home, we’ll take it & the losers can please themselves.

        • Brax

          P.S.

          When did journos start sticking to the facts with their stories? The reason I and others come to forums such as this to get my rugby fix speaks volumes about the poor quality of journos & the mainstream media.

    • http://landoftheunit.wordpress.com/ Sully

      Brax the is an Australian Rugby site, but we have writers from every province. Bob Dwyer was obviously writing as a Waratah’s fan and voicing his displeasure at the way his team played. Perfectly acceptable by the site in fact most of the writers here have written similar articles about their team. This is an Australian Rugby website run by Australian Rugby fans for Australian Rugby Fans. IF you want to voice your displeasure about how the Reds played why not jump on the forum and put something up. If it’s good enough and you ask us it might make it on to the blog.

      • Brax

        Thanks all the same Sully, but I’m a reader not a writer. Point taken & I didn’t mean any offense to Bob, I generally enjoy reading his insights of the game.

  • MisplacedCanuck

    Mumm needs to go….he frustrates the shit out of me. He’s the lettuce in a ham sandwich….

  • Reds Fan 2012

    Two things were confirmed on Saturday night.

    1. TPN is possibly the biggest sook/fake/pussy to play rugby. He goes down when a 10 year old kid would get up.

    2. Tom Carter. Well what can one person say except “baaaaaaa haaaaaaa haaaaa haaaaa!!” you are an idiot.

    • James

      Agree on TC. Used to half like him… then his celebrating and trying to rub it into the reds with a couple min to go…. as a reds fan i thought we were lucky, but in light of TC my thoughts were also – get it up ya!

  • godfrey

    Bob,

    Do you think Andrew Blades will have much input into forwards selection as Deans assistant? He is horny for Dan Palmer, as am I. Is it not coincidental that Australia’s RWC wins occurred when we had two potplant THPs and a stable scrum?

    Turning to the game. How many penalties did Cliff give away? Several. Sure he looked encouraging but you are getting carried away. Pretorius pass looks limited in terms of distance; not as strong as Burgess, but definitely a lower trajectory. So Cliffy gets the big-ups, but Robinson gets castigated: I dont know about you but I revel in a dominant Australian scrummaging performance and we saw one Sat night. I am sure Robbie Deans will forget the Tahs and Dan Palmers fine scrummaging and pick Skinny Alexander or Babe in the Woods Slipper come test time….

  • godfrey

    I might add: its round one. Bit of rust to be expected, but there was a lot of go on display Sat night from both sides.

    Anyone else think “Tune B.,” seeing Shipperley streak down the sideline? Strapping, pacy bugger!!

  • Nabley

    Good report. It was hard to believe that guys at this level gave the ball away with less than a minute to go. We know they have the skills and ability so I think there is something systemically or culturally wrong in the Tahs organisation.They are simply not hungry enough, not motivated enough or not well led.

  • Blinky Bill of Bellingen

    Let’s be honest here, if that kick had resulted in another Waratah try we would not be having this conversation. Instead we’d all celebrating the new winning style of entertaining football that the Tahs had discovered. ;)

    I can’t help but feel that we got caught out with the absence of a strong on-field leader. Maybe having every man & his dog as a leader is the reason our young number 9 listened to instructions that were clearly pretty dumb rugby. :(

    • andy

      fairly dumb rugby AND coming from a considerably more senior player who is in the leadership group.

      maybe that’s the problem rigth there, if Tom Carter is one of NSW’s best leaders…

      • Dally M

        Well he was destined for the bench if Barnes was fit & looks like he will definitely go there this week.

        Fingers crossed it becomes a permanent thing.

  • Wolfie

    Cast your mind back twelve months… Can you imagine Phil Waugh letting a back kick the ball away in the final thirty seconds?? Think not

    There is something fundamentally wrong with a mgmt team that feels we need 8 in the “leadership group”, especially when one is Tom Carter. Case in point, his chat with Digby that backfired. Always has been a muppet

  • Gary Russell-Sharam

    After reading Bob’s comments I tend to agree with his intellect. I have a couple of criticisms though, Sarel Pretorious was great around the park and his try was pure heaven for a old half back but his passing is not that great. Tom Carters days are numbered he is just not up to it nowdays he has slipped over the edge. I am a Reds supporter but I was surprised that they won the match. The Tahs found every which way to loose. Al this being said I thought that the difference in the side was Higginbotham in the forwards for the Reds. You can say what you like about Palu being good and getting through a game uninjured but while your on the park you have to contribute, and sadly IMO he didn’t do that much. Robinson was good in the set piece but only lumbered about the park and I agree the Reds need to get a lot better in the front row to be any chance this season. I thought Harris was good, much better than “hangers” who is another that is not up to Super rugby standard.

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