Dwyer’s View: Wallabies continue their stranglehold on the Boks

Bob Dwyer September 11, 2012 40

No GravatarThe Wallabies came home strongly in the second half to extend their winning streak over the Springboks to five on the trot. This is in total contrast to their recent record against the All Blacks and a number of South Africans have asked my opinion on how this is so. ‘We can beat or hold our own against pretty well all other teams, but rarely against Australia. Why is this so?’ They are puzzled and frustrated.

The Earl’s stranglehold over the Boks

Well, here’s my shot at an analysis.

  • The Wallabies are not short on courage and will tackle all night. We’ve seen numerous instances of this – last game versus NZ, RWC quarter-final, etc. If courage and determination are the only qualities needed, then we can hold out with the very best of them.
  • Quality attack is simply about asking questions of the defence. The more complex the question, the more difficult for the defence to consistently come up with the correct answer. NZ constantly ask complex questions; SA rarely do.
  • If the attack starts too deep, the question is partly solved before any answer is needed. Morne Steyn starts way too deep; Carter, and Cruden even more so, play much more in the face of the defence. This should be a lesson for the Wallabies also, where second-line plays (therefore much deeper) can take over our attack.

But, back to Saturday night’s game. I watched the game in a bar in the south of France – on, of course, a French TV channel. Nice spot to be, but not my first choice of location for a serious examination of a rugby match – or for a subsequent replay.

Our attack is not so hot either, especially without O’Connor and with Beale and Cooper still not back to their best. We should not forget that it nearly always requires some time for great players to come right back to top form after a significant injury. Remember that even Richie McCaw was somewhat off his outstanding best in last year’s World Cup.

In the first half, with South Africa clearly dominant, we were able to contain their limited attack. They had several opportunities to post tries, but were only able to achieve one – even that a pick-and-go from the excellent Bryan Habana. We held them to 6-13 for the half – only one score between us.

In the second half, we clearly lifted the accuracy of our effort and asked trickier questions – not super-complex ones, but better. The Boks were not able to contain us – I thought that they defended poorly on occasion – and we came up with 20 points to their 6 for this period of our dominance. Our improved attack was too good for their below par defence. That was it!

Only the Boks’ kicking – both from hand by Morne Steyn and Kirchner, and for the posts by both Steyns – kept them in the game. Most countries have moved ahead significantly in the professional strength-training era – not, I hasten to add, in vision and skill – and the traditional South African physical superiority is not nearly so marked. For example, we saw the previous week that the Pumas were their equals, and a number of other teams are up there also.

The Wallabies’ commitment and numbers at the tackle contest were improved and Samo and the front row were prominent. Samo, in the right mood, can be punishing – giving some of what Vickerman provided in the past – and he was clearly in the right mood. Both Robinson (he also is back after a significant injury) and Alexander made much better contributions than for some time. They were well overdue.

Sharpe has never played better than at present over the full course of his long career and I, for one, was concerned that he may have to be subbed. He is, thank goodness, made of stern stuff. Hooper handles this level with no problem and he is just as effective. Higginbotham, coming on around the 50-minute mark, was most productive. This may well be his most effective role – to commit his power, pace and footwork against less-than-fresh defence when his lower workrate can be carried more easily for a shorter period.

Our backs were more ordinary. Genia was better; Cooper a shadow of his former self and Beale likewise. With nothing happening inside them, our centres did not threaten at all. Ioane showed some flashes, but he needs his amigos at numbers 9 and 10 to be firing. Shipperley alone looked good. His instinct was to go forward – not the worst idea – and his speed, power and footwork make him a handful for any defence.

They tell me that Robbie constantly asks of his players that they consistently present ‘bodies in motion’ to the defence. In this way, tricky questions can be asked of the defence. The problem is that this rarely happens. Either they don’t understand his concept or they don’t agree with it. Either way, this is unacceptable.

We’re still Number 2 – and we’re still a long way from Number 1!

Discussion »

  • Redsfan1

    Totally agree Bob. I was shocked to hear that at half time Deans said the grubber kicks weren’t part of the game plan.

    Yet in the 2nd half they were still happening! I would be furious as a coach if players ignored me like that. And would hook them forthwith. Deans appears a bit too soft.

    • Nutta

      RF1 you have touched on an issue I think is at the heart of the “Dingo” problem.

      Deans comes from a fairly straight up & down place where they play hard, grafting, uncompromising rugby and expect to win. He coached teams who were were similar. I’ve chatted to “some who know” and they always commented that at the Cru’s, Deans spoke to McAwe & senior players (like Thorn or Carter) and then McAwe, Thorn & Carter spoke to the team and that was pretty much it. No pandering to ego’s, no trying to 2nd guess petulant GenY’ers, no Behaviouralism methodology. There was no need to. Just simple instruction via the chain of command. Given that context he could push youth comfortable in the knowledge that the simple foundation of the team-ethos would keep any temptation of over-inflated ego’s in-check, and if it didn’t, “hook ‘em” because in NZ every little kid wanted to play pro rugby and would do what was needed to get the break

      Then he came to Australia where man-management is VERY different and Rugby isn’t the be-all-and-end-all sport of the nation.

      Now he has to pander/manipulate/tolerate the petulant one’s with Brand, $BW and Twitter on their mind instead of Rugby. And he can’t “hook ‘em” too quick because the barrel ain’t real deep! And thus he struggles. Fk it – so would I!

      The exception to this situation in Oz is Wayne Bennett. But generally, given rugby’s lower status in Oz then in NZ and the lack of cattle from the non-existant development 3rd tier, coaching in Oz requires a degree of man-management bull-shit I don’t think is required in NZ or even SA for that matter (see what Big Jake is doing at Donkeys with a squad who WANTS to be there and knows what will happen if they don’t toe-the-line)

      BTW – please give Mowen a shot at the Wobblies FFS.

      • Blinky Bill of Bellingen

        Nutta – Seems to me that what you are saying is that when Deans finally does get around to writing a book of his time coaching Rugby in Australia……….that it’s going to make a bloody good read.

        I suppose that is providing you can actually work out what the hell he’s talking about.

      • Dirty Socks

        Nutta not a bad series of thoughts. I do recall however that a number of players during his time at the Crusaders, came from other NZ franchises as under performers and left as champs. Ali Williams was one and a guy whose name I have forgotten but was a blindside flanker another. I really do think that in the franchises, it is just not possible to get away from the man management issue. In fact I thought one of the big attractions of Deans apart from his record, was his ability to get down amongst the players and coach often one on one. So I would wonder about the validity of that point.

        But you are right about our fickled lot, look what they did to Nucifora (but I would hasten to add his performance with the U20s was not great). Perhaps more fickled players on the way.

        • johnny-boy

          Incorrect Dirty Socks. The Crusaders picked out the cream of NZ rugby from other provinces. Ali Williams was an All Black well before he spent time with the Crusaders. He joined the Crusaders to get away from the Auckland coach whom he despised, who just happened at the time to be one David Nucifora. That flanker you’re thinking of might be one Richie McCaw, whom the Crusasders recruited from Otago.

        • Dirty Socks

          Nah Johnny Boy, not McCaw. He was at university in Chch according to his history and got picked up from there. The one I was thinking of was Cribb, another Aucklander who could not make their side, but went to the Crusaders initially as a bench player but ended up as the No 8. Scored the only try when they beat the Brumbies 20-19 final in 2000 I think it was. According to the history I read on the internet, he was named an AB the next year, then played for the Blues and immediately faded with the only explanation being that he was away from the Crusaders. I remember at the time wondering what had happened to abilities previously exhibited. It could be the magic water in Chch, but I would suggest that is a long shot. I would think it was the environment of the team and the coaching by Deans that made the difference.

          Ali Williams was playing crap rugby, had been for a while and did not like Nucifora telling him so. I think he was even dropped from the ABs but could be corrected on that. I am more inclined to say he was a bit like the Wallaby young guys now. He got sorted out in Chch as his game returned and guess who his coach was?

        • Nutta

          DS – I think the clarity and simplicity surrounding the Cruz set-up would have attracted similar ilk players. In Oz I look at the example of Sydney Swans who had a clear, no BS coach who set a clear “no dickheads” policy and it attracted such players. The difference btwn that scenario and the Wobblies is that the Swans play AFL – the Oz equivalent of NZ & rugby. Thus they have the player depth to say “fit in or fk off” as there are multiple times more players to pull thru in AFL then in Rugby in Oz. The point is that the Swans could take that approach as they could afford to let a few players go if they tried to be prima donna’s. Can you imagine the fall-out in rugby if Apples, Beagle or JOC was actually told “Fine then- fk off!”???

  • Matt NT

    Nice article Bob, the SA attack was wanting. Good to see Samo playing well, coming on first and using Hingerbottom as an impact player worked well. Shipperly was a breath of fresh air, not only the go forward but ran at gaps not at the player, made the tackler work for it. The forwards in general lifted. 10 points to sharpe for effort but I thought he probably pushed the penatlties a bit too much. Sookface’s effort was ordinary at best. If we have a reliable goal kicker other than him drop him asap. Cooper and Beale improved, but got the feeling Beale may take longer than cooper to find his best form. Beale still seems distracted.

  • johnny-boy

    Good wrap Bob. I have a theory that instruction must have come from ‘above’ that the South African rugby board was not allowed to choose a coach who was smarter than PD Clown, for fear of making PD Clown look silly. Who’d have thought they could find one. Even Eddie Jones could outsmart Meyer. Sharpies showing the young punks that if you stick it up the bully boy Boks they’ve got nuthin and it’s not really his natural game but it’s entertaining nevertheless.

  • Josh123

    Did bob Dwyer really just compliment higginbotham?!?! ‘most productive’ is what I read, do my eyes fool me?

    • Red Kev

      Impact player is what Higginbotham seems to do best at test level. He has what, 10? starts or so and only once has really played well (the first test against Wales). Yet he’s come off the bench and been excellent pretty much every time over the past two years (he created a couple of line breaks against NZ at Eden Park in the Bledisloe last year, he created a turn over in 7 minutes against Ireland in the RWC, he cannoned over the line in last weekend’s game).
      Why he doesn’t do so well starting is an interesting question, but ultimately irrelevant for Deans – he has a great impact player, use him as one.

      • johnny-boy

        Keep in mind Red Kev it took Jerome Kaino several years of being consistently chosen in the one position at 6 to master it. Under Deans Higginbotham will never get that opportunity or direction. Kaino was dicked around at 8 for while as well. That’s why Higginbotham impresses the kiwis. He’s big and mobile and he can be brutal, if left to concentrate on 6. Deans just won’t give him the chance to develop there. He’s too busy plugging poor selection holes. Ben Mowen is Australia’s best no. 8 at the moment imo and while he may not be an x factor star we could really do with his consistency and maturity and leadership right now but he can’t get a look in. I reckon he would really surprise everyone in the Wallaby 8 jumper. What he did for the Brumbies this year was nothing short of outstanding.

        • Blinky Bill of Bellingen

          johnny-boy – I completely agree about Ben Mowen. He’s a wonderful player and a great leader for the Ponies. I’d have thought he was a shoe-in for the Wallabies. What bloody well gives?

          Seems to me his ‘size’ keeps being used as a reason for non selection. How many times is this size argument needed to be disproved before it’s put to rest. Give me a bloke with heart, technique, brains and passion any day over mere size.

        • Pie Thrower

          Blinky Bill – you have just described Richard Brown – heart, passion, technique etc – but he wasn’t big enough. Deans persisted with him for too long till he reaslied he wasn’t able to dominate like you need a number 8 to do. I think Mowen might be the same.

        • johnny-boy

          BBOB – the Brumbies have Mowen listed at 1.95m and 107 kg. The Crusaders have the All Blacks No. 8 Keiran Read as 1.93m and 105kg. Mowen too small ? Would we overlook Keiran Read because he is smaller than Mowen ?

        • johnny-boy

          Richard Brown 1.89m and 103kg. Wycliff Palu 1.94m and 118kg. Mowen same height as Palu pretty much, bit lighter but more mobile

        • Blinky Bill of Bellingen

          johnny-boy – Cheers mate for the stats on Ben Mowen.

          Hey you don’t have to convince me. I’m a fan. ;)

          But now his non selection seems even stranger.

        • Touko

          Aye, there are a couple of lads who you’d reckon don’t have what it takes physically, but you have the instinct they’ll step up anyway. I’d put Hooper in that category along with Fardy and Mowen from the Brumbies. Neville and Pyle from the Rebels seem to have much the same, ‘I won’t die wondering quality’.

          On a different note, Hugh, I mean Huge Piles parents must have a great sense of humour.

  • Red Kev

    I have a serious question for you Bob.
    If you were the coach and you had explicitly told the players not to try stupid grubber and chip kicks, and then 19s into the game with his first touch Berrick Barnes (already a serial offender in kicking away possession) tried a grubber from inside his 22 and botched it completely, would you have hooked him to teach him (and the rest of the backline) a lesson?
    What about after 5m when he’d kicked 4 more times?
    I was astonished (especially when Deans came on at half time and said it wasn’t part of the plan) that Barnes wasn’t punished for his terrible play.

    • Blinky Bill of Bellingen

      Red Kev – IMHO you can’t afford NOT to hook him.

      If you leave him on the field, then your failure to act is an endorsement of what he is doing. And I’d reckon most of us were thinking ‘ah this is the plan, turn them around’ stop them rushing up’.

      It was almost like Berricks little effort spurred on others to see if they could try and get away with it. But to me it’s such low % none sense unless executed perfectly and at the right time and place. Your own 22 doesn’t seem like the right lace to me.

      It’s just that it was attempted in an area of the paddock where it oh so easily could have been swooped-up by the men in green and a try resulted.

      So why isn’t Deans pulling him? Is Berricks goal kicking what’s keeping him on the field? I dunno, it seems to me that he offers less than he costs.

    • http://BigFella Big Fella

      2 thoughts RedKev;
      Me -
      I would hook him, enough is enough and he needs to get the message.
      Gee it would be good if there was interchange available like RL & AFL for this match.
      I could hook him and then yell into the coach’s box telephone at him while everybody looked on and then slam the phone down or smash it into the wall.

      Robbie -
      Would not hook him, my job is on the line test by test, he’s my goal kicker and we’re scoring less than 1 try per test, I have no confidence in my bench, I hate confrontation, I don’t yell, he was just playing what was in front of him,

    • Drop Kick

      There is a bit of a myth being created by some posters that most/all of the kicking was Barnes fault and that he should have been hooked for disobeying Deans instructions.

      The stats put a bit of perspective on that. If anyone should have been hooked it was Cooper or Beale.

      Cooper kicked twice as much as Barnes and gained far less territory per kick.

      Cooper kicked 15 times for a gain of 521m (average 34m)
      Barnes 8 times for 328m (av 41m)
      Beale 7 times for 222m (av 31m)
      Genia 5 for 165m (av 33m)
      AAC 1 for 28m
      Shipperly 1 for 26m

      Stats are from: http://www.rugbystats.com.au

      • Red Kev

        The problem is the option taking Drop Kick. At least 4 of those times Barnes kicked it was the wrong option (or 50%).
        Only 2 of 15 times (13%) was it the wrong option from Cooper.

      • http://BigFella Big Fella

        Barnes played centre.
        Do you ever see Conrad Smith or Nonu or SBW kick much if at all?

      • Razz

        Geez, no wonder Ioane never saw the ball.

  • Jimmy

    Bob, any opinion on Timani? My thoughts are that he has been suffering from lack of game time as Foley seemed to use he, and his brother, as bench warmers. His last couple of games, in my opinion, have been good and he will only get better as he builds experience and match fitness.

    Do you agree or do you see a better option there?

    • chasmac

      I agree. Seems Timani is benefitting from getting to start and getting extended game time. Higgers seems to respond better as a reserve.
      Why is Timani not used in the lineouts, this is his biggest negative at the moment.

  • http://BigFella Big Fella

    Trust you are enjoying the south of France.
    Noticed that Barnes didn’t rate a mention in your match review Bob.
    If the backs you did mention were ordinary, how did you see his performance?
    During the Wales series and since, Barnes has always seemed to me to be a stop gap measure at 10 or 12 while our best players were absent.
    IF playing at their peak the back line I’d like to see the Wallabies play would be;
    Genia
    Cooper
    Shipperley
    McCabe
    Ioane/AAC
    O’Connor
    Beale

    There’s power, real speed, creativity and flare, plus some great mid field defence and plenty of goal kicking options.

    • Jimmy

      No place for both Ione and AAC?? I’d have them both on – they are 2 players who both have guts and the ability to make metres and make tackles. Give me a whole backline of AAC and Ione clones over what we have now any day.

      • http://BigFella Big Fella

        Where would you play them Jimmy and who misses out?
        Remember it’s when everyone is at their best.

        • Jimmy

          Mate at present I’d probably have AAC in for Beale (given Beales shocking form).

          Assuming Beale returned to his best form (as you have indicated) then I would probably put O”Connor in for Cooper or McCabe (depending on the type of opposition you were playing) and have AAC back at 13.

          So an attacking back line might be:
          Genia
          Cooper
          O’Conner
          AAC
          Ione
          Beale
          Mitchell (or Shipperly if he was injured – I still like Mitchell’s go forward and experience)

          And McCabe and Shipperly could fill the Bench with Barnes.

        • Red Kev

          With everyone fit and available AAC doesn’t even make the bench.
          Genia-Cooper (White-Lealiifano on the bench)
          Tapuai-McCabe (JOC on the bench)
          Ioane-Shipperley-Beale
          (Mitchell is omitted because he has suffered three serious injuries in a row now, he’s never coming back in my opinion, even if he gets fit Shipperley, Ioane, Speight and Tomane will all be well ahead of him in the winger pecking order).

        • Jimmy

          Red Kev, so you are dropping probably our most consistent performer over the last 5 years for a guy who has maybe played 1 test and a couple of other blokes who have never played a test?

          I know you hate the Warratahs but surely you can see AAC has got to be one of the first back picked?

  • BloodRed

    Cooper may not have been back to his best as you say Bob but I thought that he was pretty good with ball in hand. Certainly better than Barnes and Beale when at they had a go at first receiver. Also better than what we saw from Morne Steyn and the Welsh 10.
    Quade took the ball to the advantage line before passing and always put the ball out infront of his outside backs which draws them forward with him and gives him multiple options. This also gets him in front of the forwards and presents them as options on the inside. I’d have thought that would sit very comfortably within the Dwyer attacking mantra.
    He’s not afraid to take the ball into the tackle and I can’t recall him turning the ball over once.
    A couple of not so good kicks but also a couple that were good options and well executed so at least 50:50 which is vastly superior to any of our other grubby grubbers.
    Tapuai or OConnor or even Mike Harris for Berrick and I think you’ll see Quade’s game lift futher.

  • Gunner

    I agree BloodRed, Cooper was ok, his passes were pinpoint and fast. Bob doesn’t really bag him – just says he is a shadow of his former self – well, that means he can get better which I’m sure he will, when he fires we’ll beat the Blacks, especially if the commitment shown in the second half is there. There is hope for the Wallabies, go boys!

    • Red Kev

      I am not sure that calling him a shadow of his former self is accurate. Every critique of his performances pre-knee reconstruction said that he needed to underplay his hand more. He’s doing that. Certainly he isn’t back to his best, and his kicking out of hand is probably the skill that is lagging the most, but he’s still better than any flyhalf in the country except Lealiifano. Barnes and Harris are far far far too limited; Foley is better but not ready; Godwin is not even close to ready.

  • Dirty Socks

    I thought we were lucky to get that win. The first half was a disaster of lost opportunity and possession through the ball being kicked away in a senseless way. The second half was much better, but……

    Habana subbed for M’vovo made the game for the Wallabies. The Boks will be questioning the lack of a penalty try for AAC two man tackle, high on both a certainly late on M’vovo and also done at the time of a penalty advantage to the Boks. They must be scratching their heads. But thats rugby.

    Alexanders try totally baffled M’vovo. He missed Blind Side defence 101. When fat prop has ball close to line forget anyone in support, just tackle him. He is unlikely to pass the ball. But that is rugby too. The point being we should not crow too loudly as those Argentina forwards, given what they did to the ABs and our injuries amongst the forwards, look the goods if they can last the distance.

  • Tahzan

    Bob, you conclude with “still number 2 and a Long way from number 1. Few would disagree. Do you think that this means that others are further from the All Black than we are? Or do you believe the All Blacks have worked us out and have our measure tactically and mentally more than they do others (as we appear to have over the Boks) ?

  • gerard flanagan

    Bob,
    I love it.
    To reduce it to simple English for all the Bakkies, Bismarcks, Fannies, Francois etc out there, it is simply this: bash and barge doesn’t work anymore. For as long as I can remember SA don’t use their backs. Morne Steyn is a great kicker but woeful attacker.’Nuff said.

    Australia? Worst attacking team I have ever seen (but maybe someone can check me) and I go back to 1976.

    Will we ever be like the old teams? Probably not. At least not until they get rid of the use it or lose it rule. Once the loose forwards get back into the tight then we go to the dance.

  • Will he or won’t he….

    Can someone please explain why rugby union is only played in private schools in Aust?

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