Dwyer’s View: Wallabies Deserve Their Victory

Bob Dwyer June 10, 2012 84

No GravatarDuring last week an Australian rugby journalist called me for some comment on the coming first Test against Wales, the Six Nations Grand Slam champions. ‘There is no way that I can see for the Wallabies to win,’ I replied. ‘Our scrum, our lineout, our midfield attack, our counter-attack, even our back row — I can’t see any area with a significant enough advantage on which we could build a victory.’

That's, erm, awkward

Wrong again, I’m happy to admit. We were well worthy of the win. David Pocock completely outplayed Sam Warburton and with great support from TPN, Rob Simmons, Nathan Sharpe and Wycliff Palu, the forward pack did what was required to give Will Genia the quick recycle and the opportunity to show his world-class ability. Sekope Kepu was again improved, but, along with Benn Robinson and Scott Higginbotham, needs to do much more.

Having said that, this was the best I’ve seen from the Wallabies forwards — in an overall assessment — for some time, with much improved urgency at the tackle contest. If we can get another lift in accuracy — and urgency from the three named forwards — we have a real foundation to build on.

Barnes played well; he didn’t look anything like the flyhalf who played on Tuesday night against the Scots. He played a lot flatter and contributed to the questions that the Wallabies posed, right across their attack. His kicking out of hand returned to the high standard that I commented on a few weeks back and he consistently carved off large chunks of territory for his team. Ioane played on an 80-minute high and was a constant threat. He did make a couple of errors in the back-three role, but he could certainly not be questioned on his enthusiasm. AAC was great at fullback; I think that it’s his best position, even though he plays well wherever he’s selected. Now, if we can just get any two of the three injured superstars on the paddock together, we should be able to threaten most teams.

When interviewed after the game, Sam Warburton said that ‘the game was played at a great pace and intensity, and we struggled to keep up in the first half’. Brian O’Driscoll also mentioned the pace of the game — completely understandably, given the pace and intensity of the All Blacks performance. England clearly succumbed to the Springboks’ third quarter lift and Stuart Lancaster cited the same high tempo of the opposition game.

Given the consistency of these comments, it must be that the Northern Hemisphere teams were somewhat taken by surprise and they appear to think that they are now better prepared for their next encounters. In my opinion, they’ll need to be just that, because I think that the Wallabies and the Springboks can lift the consistent pace of their respective games by some amount.

Ieuan Evans, the former Welsh and British Lions winger, had predicted that a first-up win was a real necessity for Wales, but I’m not so sure. The accuracy of their play was way below their normal standard and we should expect a big improvement by next weekend. Given that they put around three genuine try-scoring opportunities on the ground with unusually poor passing, an improvement here could make a considerable difference on the scoreboard. Further, neither Toby Faletau nor Dan Lydiate played up to their excellent Six Nations form and I’m expecting a lot more from them next week — on the other hand, perhaps the Wallabies didn’t let them play well. We’ll see!

Of much more concern to the Wallabies, I’m sure, was their 50th-minute, Waratahs-like slump that allowed the Welsh back into the game. With the score at 20-6, following Barnes’s well-taken drop-goal, the Wallabies lost the restart; then their lineout throw was not straight; then a penalty and three points to Wales; then another penalty to Wales from the restart; then a try to Cuthbert, plus the conversion; then another successful penalty. So, for a period of twelve minutes following the drop-goal, the Wallabies completely lost control of the game, allowing Wales to close the gap to one point. This, to me, shows a lack of game understanding on the part of individual players, a lack of focus and a lack of leadership, and it remains most concerning!

Thankfully, the ship was righted — well done — and the Wallabies finished the game on top. The stat of three tries by the Wallabies compared with three tries in total against the Welsh in the whole Six Nations speaks for itself.

Discussion »

  • murph

    Higginbotham needs to do more??
    Do you want him to wash your car and mow your lawn??

    • pedro

      I tend to agree. Without qualification, this seems a bit harsh.

    • Chucka

      He may as well do that as he plays far enough away from the ruck that he’d have time

      • http://www.doubletakeproductions.com.au/sports/ armatt

        For the Reds? Yep, he does – as per the coaching staff’s intention.

        As for last night, I would argue that he got stuck in and did plenty of tight work. I’d say the same for the other bloke singled out for Bob’s disparagement: I thought Fat Cat also got through plenty of work and was effective.

      • murph

        Yeah. He was playing really wide, which is why he scored right next to the ruck…

    • Skippy

      What a suprise hey??? Bob Dwyer writes an ‘opinion piece’ and straight away the idiots of the world jump on anything to do with Higgers. Well the reality is… Higgers does need to do more. They all do.
      Gee this is getting boring fellas. Dwyers’ entitled to express an opinion.

      • Red Kev

        He posts like that just to get a response.
        I sat with a remote and a pen and paper and Higginbotham significantly out-played and out-worked TPN and Palu. The difference is Higginbotham is a Red and bibby-bob only likes Waratahs.
        Bob doesn’t like to use facts though.
        Perhaps more importantly TPN and Palu despite not playing on Tuesday could only manage 50 minutes before starting to fade very hard getting subbed by 60. Yet Higginbotham played 80 on Tuesday and 80 on Saturday and still managed to have the pace and awareness to make a covering tackle to end a line break at minute 76.
        NSW supporters will always believe nonsense that makes Queenslanders look bad, it’s not worth trying to correct ignorance, especially not in a man with as much grey in his hair as Bob, he won’t listen.

        • Richo

          “NSW supporters will always believe nonsense that makes Queenslanders look bad, it’s not worth trying to correct ignorance…”

          Now that is nonsense.

        • rugby nerd

          Yes his covering tackle where he was bludging on the wing for the final 10min of the match. He is excused for having to play two matches in 4 days mind you! I was more concerned that he was bludging on the wing at the end of the scotland match and that really cost us.

          Reminds me of when Kearns used to bludge out on the wing only for the commemtators to state “He is everywhere”.

        • Robson

          For me there was one really noteworthy improvement in Higginbotham’s game and that was the way he charged at the line with his head and shoulders down to score the try. Very different from his “head in the clouds” crack at the Scots line on Tuesday.

        • JimmyC

          Taf and Cliffy also played a game last Saturday. Taf also knocked himself out. Bob also pointed out that Kepu and Robbo need to lift their game too so that is just some rubbish chat Big Kev.

        • Joe Mac

          Two things are certain on this site when Bob’s writes an article. An insightful opinion piece from a world cup winning coach and severe and offensive trolling by Red Kev.

          Red Kev: If Bob was only interested in praising Tah’s players, why did he slate the performance of Fat Cat and Kepu?

        • Red Kev

          @JimmyC
          Professional rugby players play every week, a Saturday to Saturday turnaround is standard, that is not even worth mentioning. The fact Higginbotham and Pocock played 80 minutes on Tuesday and 80 minutes on Saturday is. If you don’t think the extra 3 days of recovery is significant then you’re … tragically uninformed.

          @Joe mac
          The only thing that is certain is that every time Bob writes an article he will be unable to resist the urge to take a swipe at Australia’s best blindside flanker.
          Last week Higginbotham didn’t even play but he still managed to work one in by using the same wording he’d used in an earlier criticism of Higginbotham in his praise for Kolisi.

          I posted then and I will repost for your benefit:
          If Bob can post three articles in a row without criticising Higginbotham I’ll lay off him.
          If Bob posted an intelligent critique of Higginbotham’s performance within the parameters of a specific match and gameplan I would pay attention.

          This week I even spent three hours with a remote collecting stats (further down the thread) just to prove that Bob was being overly critical.
          He doesn’t get a free pass to make baseless comments and scathing one-liners just because he once coached the amateur Wallabies to a World Cup victory.

        • JimmyC

          Big Kev thanks for further rubbish chat not taking the whole picture into account. The QLD and Force had byes and an extra week to prepare their bodies for two games (which is still a huge task) in quick succession. Training was tapered with this in mind. The tahs came back from a tour of SA. Played on the weekend then joined the Wallabies squad. Cliffy’s multiple injuries over the past two seasons have been soft tissue. Why would they bother risking him?

        • kos1nsk1

          How do I pay this comment mutiple times?

    • rugby nerd

      I noticed higgers spending more and more time out on the wing as the game went on. Same against scotland for the last 10-15min which cost us. I say he needs to be subbed after 60min or come on fresh as Palu’s replacement after 60min. Either way I do not see him as an 80min player.

      • Who?

        To be fair to Higgers, and most of the Wallabies, a slump at 60 minutes shouldn’t have been a surprise. Several players were on their third game in no more than 8 days. Barnes was in his third in seven days. Higgers and Pocock played 80 minutes on Saturday night, and I believe both played 80 in Newcastle, too (though it may have been Higgers and not Dennis who subbed for Hooper there). Interesting that Robbie set up to sub Palu off, even though he’d had a night off on Tuesday, and play Higgers the full 80…

    • old weary

      Have the stat’s come out for Higgers workrate/ involvement?

      From watching the game, I thought very noticeable Higgers getting involved in rucks and tackles

      Bob, you have to be seeing something most others are not, so please can you throw some more light on what was lacking from Higgers game.

      Maybe he simply needs a haircut and a shave?

    • The Other Dave

      Looks like the trend on the Qld man-love index is a bit exaggerated…

    • ula

      you’ve been out of the game too long bob

    • bernie

      If Bob Dwyer is paid by the word by GAGR, they should deduct the copy-paste every week of “Scott Higginbotham contributes nothing and plays too wide” from his pay. We get it Bob, you’re not a fan. We cottoned on around the 934th time you mentioned it.

    • mark conley

      I just don’t see it. Would love to see a compilation of his work (or lack of it), he was playing blindside flanker?.

  • Scotty in Devon

    Hi Bob, that seems a very fair analysis – and thats for pointing out the “speed and intensity” thing across all three games – I hadn’t joined the dots before you said that. I was pleased that we won, but at the same time (having lived in the UK since 2000) I know that Wales were not firing on all cylinders especially in the back row, and Priestland was a shadow of the player he was at the RWC. I also worry about our front row against these guys – they pushed a few around in the 6N and if the next game has a few more scrums…we need to be 100% on our mettle.

    Its shaping up to be a great series. I wish there were more 3 game series and tours like ye olden days in the 80s when I first started watching rugby.

  • Disco

    The problem facing wales next week is that the Wallabies will be rested & even better again next week. It’s hard to believe that the ARU are so greedy & stupid that they would ask the two best players in the nation (Pocock & Genia) to play 160 minutes of test rugby within 4 days. Would the NZRU ask the same of Carter & McCaw?

    It really was a fantastic victory for the Wallabies & it’s no surprise that they slowed down around the 60 minute mark.

    Really liked the impact made by Dennis & Hooper when the Welsh were well on top & only 1 point down.

  • D.

    Barnes was better than he was Tuesday (that’s obivious) and I think he playrd his best game of yhe year, but he totally hasn’t redeemed himself in my opinion. There were some aimless kicks straight to the opposition. Three that I can think of and if I’m not wrong, one of them resulted in a Welsh try or at the very least a huge loss in territory.

    Berrick, stop with the aimless kicking!!!!!!!!!

    If this Walkabies side played the AB’s on the weekend, I think tge score would be the same as it was against Ireland, or bloody close.

    History has shown that when we win a big one, next week we normally lose by a record. Hopefully this trend will stop too.

    Genia was awesome. It’s amazing how much ground you can gain when a player runs onto the ball at pace as opposed to shifting it wide like U8′s. If the centers did this, the score could be double.

    • First time / Long time

      Great game boys!

      “Running onto it at pace” – would love to see more of the forwards around the ruck running onto it at pace off Genia or Barnes (like Hooper did), not taking it flat footed.
      An inside back with options is generally going to look good.

      Nice to see the good sportmanship of the Welsh tunnelling the Wallabies off the field. Something sadly lacking in Super Rugby where the losers sulk off to their corner.

      Barnes’ best game of the year for sure. A lot of his options still look premeditated but hope he keeps playing better.

    • Fin

      You’re harsh D, you could say the same about Genia ( kicking away possession), i thought both had great games and the errors they made were in attempt to keep their foot on the throat of the Welsh. Well done boys.

      • D.

        The reason I brought this up is because I think it is a major flaw in the Wallabies. We don’t need “x factor” players. We need players to stop making a wrong decision, or if they make that decision to execute it properly. This is the difference between Australia & NZ. How often do you see Carter kick it aimlessly to the opposition? Is it mindset, is it fatigue, is it lack of vision when you’re told to “play what’s in front of you”? I’d rather see the ball passed to Diggers and him have a run tge quick recycle to another player taking the ball at pace. But that’s me.

        • Fin

          I don’t disagree, just thought it was unfair that Barnes was the one you singled out. I have no doubt Carters execution is better than Barnes( and every other 10 in the world ) he also has the luxury of the likes of SBW , Dagg and the rest outside him. As you rightly pointed out Barnes has Digby- and he proved with a couple of errors late in the game that his tank is not bottomless.
          I agree Genia was awesome but that was on the back of alot of quick ball from the forwards, and his kicking wasn’t without fault in both option and execution.
          I thought your comments were accurate, just could have been attribruted to more than just the 10.

    • Who?

      The good thing for us is that, whilst we’ve got Berrick who’s known for being ‘kick-happy’, the Welsh have Hook. Did he not kick it once on Saturday night..?

      • D.

        I commented on Barnes because it’s http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com not http://www.redandwhiterugby.com

        • Deez

          While I am another lover of running rugby and hate to see ball kicked away aimlessly, I see the need to keep some kicking in the halves to keep the opposition guessing – otherwise, they will continually rush up on defense and give you no room to play. I thought the halves’ kick:pass ratio was about right – just need better execution (read accuracy)

        • Who?

          I’m just pointing out that those who complain about Barnes could do well to remember he’s not as bad as some, and Hook’s an example of that.

          And, as an U8 manager, I should point out that U8′s don’t shift it wide – U8′s don’t believe in passing! :-D

    • old weary

      Thin ka little harsh – I thought the majority of his kicks were excellent, and a major contributor to a lot of the pressure we put on them in their own 22.

      Obviously there were some aimless kicks, but on the whole I thought very good. If they produced the same vs Scotland it would have been a cricket score.

      • D.

        Don’t get me wrong, Barnes had a good game. My point is that these aimless kicks are one of the problems that get the wallabies into trouble. Unnecessary pressure is put back on themselves which allows opposition to get themselves back into the game or if it’s against the AB’s, to take the game away from us.

        It was a good win, and the intensity and pace caught wales napping in the first half. It will be different this weekend and giving the opposition easy possession will not help the Wallabies win.

        • old weary

          yeah completly agree – the unfortunate fact is that the quality of kicking we saw on the weekend is an exception to what has been all to common sight of slotting it down the back three’s throats.

  • chuntsah

    Spot on Disco, I had actually forgotten about the contribution of Hooper and Dennis until you mentioned it, but I think they were both great. Dennis had to take a few shitty passes but picked them up and stood his ground and Hooper just went forward. Like JOC, Hooper seems small but has explosive power in the tackle.

  • Alan

    that photo and caption is hilarious!!

  • Apostle

    Always like reading your analysis, Bob – thank you for the articles!

    Faletau is out for the series with a broken hand – Delve in to replace. Well deserved replacement, I’d say, but unlucky for Faletau – and for us viewers, I was looking forward to seeing what he could do.

  • Disco

    Yeah every pass Dennis received was at his ankles.

  • http://BigFella Big Fella

    Agree on the quick recycle ball, that’s when we play our best rugby.

    We’ll have to be able to sustain that against NZ as they’ll smash us if we play static ball attack.

    I would also like to see some improvement on our leg drive supporting the ball carrier.
    Apart from TFN and occasionally Palu we don’t have any wrecking ball runners to get us through and over the advantage line, so driving support play up their hammer is critical.

    Yes Barnes kicked better but still not good enough for mine….the AB’s will run EVERY stray kick back at us in numbers so his kicking errors will be amplified.

    Well done Wallaby scrum. The Welsh have shoved plenty of good packs around, and in the main they stood firm.

    Loved Hooper’s contribution too. Yes he gets bitched sometimes, but he’s made of rubber and has enormous strength when ball carrying.

  • mad italian flyhalf

    A few keys of yesterday victory:

    1) quick balls: Genia and Barnes were put always on the front foot, in the most perfect condition to fire their attack thanks to a great effort from the forwards. How?
    IMO in these few SuperRugby months we’ve seen a new approach in the rucks, where body position of the man hitting the ruck has much changed in a “positive” style, takeoff direction, lower hips, legs driving up and it’s more effective!
    The Wallabies didn’t do this way in the few past years (and they were penalized often for going off feet at ruck), but the attention at the bd from referees has probably made more coaches working on this aspect (I’ve noticed it at the Brumbies and Reds this season).
    I’ve found Welsh attacking rucks more men-piling-style, therefore slower than Aussie’s ones, thanks also to the work made at bd by Pocock, TPN and Simmons, sometimes illegally, but IMO not so often as many thought.
    Direct consequence of that was also an incredible defense larger in numbers than Wales’ attacking line. At some stage I’ve notice 4 or 5 australians back in to the depth waiting for Welsh kicks that were forced by many defenders up front.

    2) Welsh pairing centre: apart from the lack of creativity from the 10-12-13, 12 and 13 channel never threated too much Wallabies defence, no offloads (bar the beauty from Beck, too late though), no different angles movements, the real threat has been George North until he came off (a shape, hope he’ll be there on saturday) because, IMO, the best quality of this player stays between his ears! Yes he’s big, he’s fast, but he’s smart and he has a great vision and plays not only drove by instinct

    In defence both centres were caught in no mans land a couple of times, Horne butchered a certain try, McCabe ran good angles and the simple structures of the 3 forwards with the fh running behind and getting the ball from them, put in troubles Wales.

    3) Good set pieces… scrum was solid (until Dennis locked in, he probably and understandably has some difficult at test level as he isn’t a real lock cover), lineout worked well also with TPN, that gives you great platforms from which launch attack

    4) Adam Ashely-Cooper was superb under high balls, taking off pressure from a nervous debutant Vuna, always making the right decision on what to do. He should be more involved in attack, he’s helluva player he needs to be in the 13 spot, but injuries…

    5) Good effort from the bench, even though Dennis has some difficults in scrummaging as he uses to play more on the backrow, in open play he, Ant Fainga’a and Hooper boosted the Wallabies when they needed it!

    Oh yeah.

    And Sanchez.
    Some team has Sanchez, some others not. They have to deal with it (him)

  • rugby nerd

    Bob I am surprised you were so pessimistic before the match. They were missing two locks and Jamie Roberts, and they had a rookie hooker and both Lydiate and Davies are carrying injuries that require surgery (which they’ve delayed until after the tour). plus suncorp, plus our strongest available, plus the loss to scotland.

    Dan Lydiate looked sluggish playing on one leg. I’d send him home because although he topped the tackle count with a couple of bone rattlers, and his work rate with carries and rucks was again very good you can’t play at your best on one leg and he looked liek he was struggling. They have a very good no 7 back up anyway (Tupuric?) who was excellent with warburton missing games this year with injury. So i’d not be surprised if it was two opensides against us for the the rest of the series ala scotland who also like to played two against us.

    Davies also looked like a player struggling to run.

    If they do the right thing and send their two injured players home as they should it could bring a change for them to be able to keep up with us a bit better.

    I thought Foletau was disappointing. He is usually much more destructive. Look for he and others to up their game as well. Plus they get Wyn Jones and Evans their locks back this week and they now have a good video of us to get their defense right. I have no doubts they will bounce back and the next game will be closer.

    • murph

      Who were the two locks? Davies, Charteris & AWJ are almost always 1st choice

      • rugby nerd

        I mentioned them. AWJ and Ian evans who were indeed their incumbent locks from the 6 nations (with Charteris and Davies only playing a limited role) both had weddings to go to. AWJ was the week before so he hadn’t trained with them and hence was on the bench and Ian evans was getting married.

        Davies and Charteris hardly played for them this year so indeed you must be mistaken. They were heavily involved at the world cup from memory so perhaps that is what you recall.

        • Fin

          What colour ties were they wearing to the weddings? Rugby Nerd -indeed you are.

        • Handles

          If you are going to be a nerd, do your research! Charteris is definitely first choice after his RWC form. He had a wrist injury, and missed 5 months, was rushed straight back in for the last 2 6N games against France and Italy. Davies started once and

        • rugby nerd

          Handles I watched the 6 nations. Charteris was in the starting side for the first match and whether he got injured or not i’m not sure but for atleast the last 3 games AWJ (who is a lion) and Evans were the starting locks and Charteris the benchy.

    • Dave

      Let’s not forget Gatland was injured too! I imagine not having their 6 nation winning coach on hand would be a wee bit disruptive.

    • Who?

      A Rugby Nerd should read the comments above his before posting – that way he’ll know that Faletau has an injury and is being replaced in the squad by Gareth Delve. ;-)

      Bob wasn’t the only one pessimistic before the match. The Wallabies over the past 12 months have shown little clue about alignment and lines in attack. Many (most?) of their tries have been from individual brilliance (think back to Suncorp last year – Genia sniped, Samo rumbled, and Beale made a break), and we’re short of creative players at the moment. We’re without Cooper, Beale, JOC, Taps, plus Mitchell. Our pack’s pretty good – we’re only really missing Horwill. But there was a real chance we’d turn up, obtain enough possession, but fail to use it well and not score enough points. I was pleased that didn’t happen.

    • Trys NOT Kicks

      To be honest Davis always looks like he is struggling to run-but appearances are deceiving…

    • Nutta

      Why was Bob pessi re the Boyo’s?

      ‘Cos we just went 0-2 vs fkn SCOTLAND!

      A loss to the 6N LOSERS and 4 days later face the 6N WINNERS… I expected a loss to be truthful. As an Aussie I was hoping for a win but as a realist I expected a loss.

  • Handles

    ..came off the bench a couple of times too!

  • Red Kev

    So Bob, I have a question.
    TPN and Palu provided “great support”
    But HIgginbotham needs to do “much more”
    According to you.
    So please explain this breakdown of the first half.

    TPN:
    Runs = 6 (including 1 linebreak and 1 knock on)
    Tackles = 4 plus 2 missed tackles
    Tackle Assists = 2
    R/M Involvements (Wallaby Ball) = 10 (of which 2 were ineffective or lazy)
    R/M Involvements (Wales Ball) = 3 (including 1 conceded penalty)

    Palu:
    Runs = 7
    Tackles = 5 plus 1 missed tackle
    Tackle Assists = 2
    R/M Invovlements (Wallaby Ball) = 11 plus 1 just after a whistle (of which 2 were ineffective or lazy)
    R/M Involvements (Wales Ball) = 4

    Higginbotham:
    Runs = 6 (including the try)
    Tackles = 5 plus 1 missed tackle
    Tackle Assists = 3
    R/M Invovlements (Wallaby Ball) = 11 (of which 2 were ineffective or lazy)
    R/M Invovlements (Wales Ball) = 6 (of which 1 was ineffective or lazy)

    I counted 3 occasions when I thought Higginbotham should have gone into a ruck but didn’t, 2 occasions for TPN and none for Palu.

    I should also note that on TPN’s linebreak Higginbotham was running great support until his jersey got pulled and he was held back.

    Of the three Higginbotham certainly plays wider but he also runs better support lines – this was quite noticeable on the third and fourth viewing.

    Sounds to me like you just see what you want to seem Bob.

    • johnny-boy

      Higginbotham apparently has fijian blood in him. It’s in his DNA to look for space to run with the ball.

    • bzr macca

      Red Kev

      You have proved Bobs point. First, by virtue of playing in the front row, TPN (a) spends significant energy scrummaging and (b) is further away from first phase breakdown from set pieces. Given Higg’s marginally more impressive stats, I would argue that your spurious comparison is simply evidence of your stupidity, rather than Higgs poor match. Second, Higgs stats are about the same as Palu’s, who is coming back from injury/2 years off and is probably only at 80% fitness….another ridiculous comparison drawn; ditto conclusion….

      I am not saying he played poorly, just that you are stupid)

    • rugby nerd

      I’m not sure where you got these stats and why you are only going off the first half?

      T Pnau is a Hooker so comparing his stats to a backrower is one of the more questionable comparisons I’ve seen.

      It may be fair to compare Palu with Higginbotham and their stats were almost identical in terms of work rate….. except that Palu played 22min less than Higginbotham. Palu made more tackles, carried one less metre, and hit as many rucks. (Rugbystats)

      A good comparison would be to compare the two no 6′s. Lydiate who is playing injured made 6 more tackles than SH.

      So there is room for improvement as Dwyer points out.

      • Red Kev

        Allow me to respond to both of you.
        @Rugby Nerd, I got the stats by virtue of 3 hours work with the remote, and I only did the first half because it was a lot of work and I had other things to do.
        Good hookers play like a fourth backrower in general play.
        @macca, marginally better is a stretch, 25 involvements vs 31 (excluding scrums and lineouts), is about 20%.
        To cite Palu’s injury is disingenuous as he has played all of the recent Waratah matches. He’s not fit because he’s a Waratah and they are all 60 min players.
        The entire Wallaby backrow played very well, all out pointing their opposites. Bob’s and your inability to give credit where it is due is the mark of small minded fools.

    • chief

      Kev, as you know I haven’t been a great Higgers fan previously.
      However I am starting to become one.
      I like how hard he is driving himself now.
      He looks like his confidence has increased as he is getting a regular game.
      Also looks like he has bulked up a bit.

  • Guy

    can we see a stat for the effectiveness of disruption or setting up for turnover that occurs when TPN hits the ruck as opposed to Higginbotham? Numbers mean nothing if you arent creating an advantage for your team

    This game of QLD vs Bob is very boring. Bob’s comments are perfectly accurate.

    • Red Kev

      TPN hit 3 rucks on Wales ball, on one of those he went straight off his feet and had absolutely no effect; on the second it was a solid involvement but nothing came of it, on the third he and Palu went in and were penalised for being on the wrong side off their feet.
      So not much of an advantage at all.

    • Red Kev

      I should specify, that is three rucks on Wales ball in the first half.

    • Red Kev

      I should also specify I specifically cited those involvements that were lazy or ineffective.

      • JimmyMosquito

        It will be interesting to see how Higginbotham plays for the rebels next year. I have a feeling that Dwyer will change his tune once he sees Higgers playing under different insruction and able to continue to deliver the goods and prove his versatility.

  • Bobby

    Palu was good not very good for only about 45 minutes. He isn’t fit. People need to get off the Higgers bandwagon of bashing. He was solid not great but solid for the entire 80. Something Palu can no longer do. Dave Dennis I thought needs to improve and the calls that he is better than Higgers are way off mark and only made by one eyed Tahs fans.

    Side note to all Simmons bashers. He does more work in tight that I have seen from a lock in a long time. That’s the reason we had quick ball. Surely you must acknowledge that.

    • JimmyMosquito

      For mine, Simmons lacks the power of an International lock. He continues to get bullied and pushed over at rucks in super rugby. Hopefully with time he will develop.

    • rugby nerd

      I’d like to see Dennis a bit more at test level before I pass judgement about who is better. You want your no 6 with a very high work rate and that is not happening. Dennis would provide that work rate but of course SH has a bit of x factor and we won so no change needed except as Dwyer said, SH needs to do a bit more.

      Simmons? he hit 2 rucks in 80min of rugby. Simply not good enough in the modern game where the breakdown is key. He made 2 runs. He made 15 tackles but also missed 5. A poor performance in my mind.

      • murph

        Where is your source for the stats?

        • BloodRed

          They look like the figures from rugbystats.com.au so that is most likely the source but their numbers look a bit odd to me. Can anyone explain how they come up with a total team ruck and maul figure that is the same as the number you get if you add up the individual player ruck involvements? My problem with that is it implies that at any given ruck only one player can be involved or else there are rucks occuring with no one in them. Is each ruck only credited to one player which could mean that someone could get to every ruck in the game but not have any counted against their name? They have Digby hitting more rucks than anyone else on the field including both opensides and as much as I love Diggers, is that possible?

          Gagger you love stats. Is there an explaination?

        • BloodRed

          PS they had Genia with 2 tackles, 6 runs and 2 rucks and mauls pretty poor man of the match if you reduce his contribution to those same stats.

        • rugby nerd
        • Red Kev

          Those stats are useless because if you look Australia had 87 rucks and mauls, and.if you add up the player stats column it comes out to exactly 87. So sites like that only give 1 player credit per breakdown, either as the first player forming the ruck from the side with possession, or as the tackler.
          That is why I spent 3 hours with the remote showing Bon that his calls for more work were nothing more than his typical myopic drivel.

        • johnny-boy

          Good work Red Kev. It’s that sort of effort that keeps australian rugby honest …. and Gagr (not a suck up)

        • muffy

          At the game a comment was made that Rob S was always getting up off the floor. It seems he does an enormous amount of grunt work, that does not show up in the stats.

          Stats say what you want them to say….they do not tell you that the Welsh avoided SH channel because of his physical threat, that Vuna was craping himself when North and co came his way…or that David Pocock was twice the player of anyone on the field.

          In fact Rugby Stats show that Pocock was outplayed by Lidiate, who according to the stats has more turnovers and more tackles…check for yourself…now I don’t know about you, but I know who out played who …

  • Hannibal

    It seemed the big difference here was the speed at which they recycled the ball. Genia and the backs were getting very quick ball and looked very dangerous as a result. I couldn’t quite pinpoint what the Wallaby forwards were doing better or else where Wales were getting it wrong to make such a difference. Any thoughts?

  • Fulltime

    About G Henry in Argentina ; “Hired as an adviser for the Argentines but not allowed to coach in games, Henry summed up Argentina’s greatest challenge.
    “Need to score more tries,” he said. “Simple.”
    Henry said he was given a contract to work for seven weeks — five in Argentina and two in New Zealand and Australia — as Argentina prepares for a tournament that’s been renamed the “Rugby Championship.”
    He said his main job will be to work on player development and coach Argentina’s coaches.”
    The Canadian Press

  • NTA

    I’ll give you the drum – the Wallabies will need to improve from here to get anywhere near the All Blacks. They’ve got a halfback who can actually PASS with accuracy and speed*, and what we produced on Saturday will not be good enough.

    * I still can’t believe they left TJ Peranara (sp?) out of their squad in favour of Fattie Weepu. Madness.

  • http://www.bobdwyerrugby.com Bob Dwyer

    Guys.
    I didn’t “slate” anyone; I said that some players need to do more and I still think the same. I look very closely, like Kev, at “all” involvements. “All” would be overstating it, but I try. Like Kev, I find that it detracts from the enjoyment of the game, so a couple of looks, minimum, is required.
    I thought that ALL of the forwards lifted their involvement and effectiveness, but I judge all players on my assessment of their potential – not relative to other players. For example, I’m always looking for plenty from Will Genia! I know that the three forwards mentioned are capable of more – BR from some past performances, both SK and SH from their huge physical capacity.
    My “stats” on SH are: 14 and 15 “involvements”, 1st & 2nd halves. I have counted tackles, t/c work, carries, etc. His try is included. I might be one or two out and I don’t count “totally useless involvements”, like put a hand on the side of the ruck. Amongst my count, I have included eight that I would describe as “innocuous”. He spends a heck of a lot of time “walking”, “pointing” and directing other players. I actually thought that he played better v Wales and was much more effective toward the end of this match, but I’m still looking for a lot more.
    I’m going to do the same with another player or two this weekend, so I’ll be interested to see whether or not I’m being harsh in my assessments.
    P.S. The Reds are also looking for more from him!

    • chasmac

      Hi Bob,
      Always enjoy reading your articles and generally end up learning something from them.
      If you plan to watch a player next weekend can you make it Simmons please.
      Plenty of 2nd row issues on the horizon with Kev from the Reds (not Red Kev from cyberspace) injured. Also Sharpie is retiring and the incumbents are all showing potential.
      Pyle, Timani, Neville, Carter, Wykes, Dennis, Douglas, and others have very few Wallaby caps and at least 2 of them will need to make the next step in a big hurry.

    • Red Kev

      Bob (and I think I’m gonna disappoint gurchin here)
      I would like to apologise for being so rabid in my comments, and for questioning your motives, I tend to get fired up (although I am still certain you view the world through sky blue glasses).
      In the interests of being honest I will admit that on re-watching the first half several times my opinion of player performances changed. After the match initially I thought Palu had a decent game, but relatively quiet, after rewatching specifically for him (and SH and TPN) I was much more impressed with his work, most notably the power that he injects into his ruck work. Similarly, I found myself frustrated by the number of times I saw Higginbotham doing exactly what you said above “pointing” or putting in “innocuous” involvements. Perhaps it is merely your more practised eye that sees these things on the first viewing; and so you comment on them.
      Sadly I can’t contest the charge that Higginbotham should do more (I hope you realise how hard that is to post given my one man cheer-squad behaviour). That said I think he has improved much in the last two seasons. I also do think you have been overly harsh on him; but again perhaps that is because you see the potential for so much more, whereas the irrational Reds supporter that I am is satisfied with the good enough performances that he puts in to help win matches.
      I would like to add my voice to Chasmac’s – I’d like a view on Simmons. Even I (who does rate Simmons) was surprised that Timani (who might still be injured from Scotland match I guess) or Douglas (who was released from the squad) or Pyle didn’t replace him as a starter for the second test.
      Lastly, it may not seem like it, given I’m spewing out vitriol every week, but I do enjoy your articles. Perspectives from people inside rugby (like yourself or Clyde Rathbone and David Campese on The Roar) are very interesting.
      -Commie Kev

      • kiwi

        Well played Red Kev.

        It may be (slightly) harder reading Bob being an AB supporter than a Reds one, but I also always try and catch his assessment of recent games.

        Don’t always agree, but usually appreciate. He has “been there”.

      • chasmac

        Yes well played Red Kev.
        Did you form a solid opinion on Kepu’s performance. I’m hoping he can start having a heavy impact in the loose.

  • gurchin

    Waiting for Red Kev response now.
    All this one-eyed nonsense is boring. I have tried to remain loyal to the tahs, and they’ve made it incredibly difficult; as have the wallabies made it frustrating over the last few years with their inability to string wins together.
    I used not to be an SH fan, but he’s growing on me (unfortunately so is that hellish thing on the bottom of his face).
    The point BD makes here about involvement vs potential is the obvious one. The question that rises above the result is always whether the player has done all he could. I think this is the difference between ABs and Wobbly sides of recent years: there is never a chance that an AB will leave anything on the field. They will die trying, and there is not always obviously the same sense of bloodlust from the Wobs

  • http://www.bobdwyerrugby.com Bob Dwyer

    Kev, Anyone who “views the world thru Sky Blue glasses” is a masochist, and i’m far from a masochist. I, like many others, keep “hoping”, but that’s the limit of my attachment.

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