Dwyer’s View: Wallabies Grab the Clean Sweep

Bob Dwyer June 25, 2012 53

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A clean sweep, three–nil, against the Six Nations Grand Slam champions — that can’t be too bad, and indeed it isn’t. A growing ability within this Wallabies team to win the tight ones, to grind out a win when needs must — that can’t be too bad either. To gradually improve aspects of our play, week by week, month by month — that’s OK also.

But year by year, year after year, now into our fifth year, that’s getting to be way too long. How long can a project stay as a work in progress? Once upon a time, not all that long ago, a coach and his team were judged after 72 hours’ preparation, that being the maximum assembly time allowed under IRB regulations prior to a Test match. Perhaps three days is too short, but 4½ years is definitely way too long.

First, the pluses.

Pocock – outstanding captain

  • Pocock is outstanding. In fact, he has played better with the captaincy. Great captains do that. His position as leader must be at the forefront of our way forward. Time (and opportunity) for Robbie to bite the bullet and make the change – for the foreseeable future. He’s a certain selection, for starters, and there is not a whole host of them.
  • Genia is a great player and he is playing outstandingly well – but, dare I say it, clearance of the ball, straight from the ground, needs to be more prevalent in his play. Just watch Aaron Smith, for example, or many of the NZ scrum-halves of recent years. Not all, but many. Maybe the ball delivery from his forwards can be consistently cleaner, but much of the responsibility lies with Will.
  • Our scrum has improved, especially with Kepu’s work on the tighthead side, but we still have our hearts in our mouths before every scrum in tight, end-of-match situations. Surely, Alexander cannot possibly stay in the squad. Let’s work with Slipper and/or Palmer; we’ve at least got a chance of a result there. (Just by the way, Alexander’s play in the loose is just too loose and non-contact, way too often, for my liking.)
  • Barnes has got much better and he’s now good (not great, but good). Mind you, he’s had a few chances and let’s compare him with, say, Cruden or Barrett, who are both younger and less experienced. He’s just not as good. He is kicking better, both for goal and out of hand, but he’s missed touch from penalties in successive matches. Not good enough!
  • Our newer, younger players are coming through in our Super Rugby franchises and our depth — despite claims to the contrary from supposedly knowledgeable sources — is looking pretty good to me. Might take another year for us to be secure, but we are certainly going well in that department. Are we, however, in front of, or even level with, SA or NZ? I think not! Significantly, our performances in recent years in the Junior World Cup have been singularly uninspiring and eighth place this year is downright embarrassing. Liam Gill was, to me, the only bright light in the team and the young player (his name escapes me), singled out by Tim Horan a few weeks back as perhaps the best ever back to come through the Queensland schools system, was poor and ponderous.  (Surely it’s way past time to change the coaching staff in this age group!)
  • AAC and Ioane are both playing well; not certain World XV choices, but well. If we compare them, however, with (Ben) Smith, Gear, Habana or Pietersen in last weekend’s matches, we still have a way to go.
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  • Alan

    Interesting as ever to read your thoughts Bob. I am very concerned with our scrum. Watching replays of the last two tests against the welsh and our scrum again looks to be very unstable. I think its fair to say – especially with the match saturday, that the welsh were well on top of us at scrum time. Yes we did somehow resist them (heroically i think at the 3rd attempt while we were camped near our line) but apart from that they had us well beat.

    Now just re-watching some clips on youtube and this GNGR beauty from 2009 emerges:


    Our scrum was devastatingly good back then and we were comfortably bossing around the french, saffas, poms, irish and surprisingly…… the welsh!!!

    As far as i can tell, i cant see too many personel changes in the wallaby pack from then to now (elsom, mumm out) yet we are again being significantly bettered in the scrum… anyone have a clue why the alarming decline?

    Its puzzling and concerning to see that roughly the same blokes we had 3 years ago hammering the opposition are now themselves getting dominated or at least struggling to achieve parity.

    • robbo

      Well there was a bloke called Al Baxter in the team – he may have had something to do with it.
      The biggest culprits on Saturday were Robinson – who was monstered all day – and TPN, whose timing in all aspects of his game was off – I began to suspect he was carrying a concussion from the previous week.

      • chasmac

        I thought the starting front row were all good in the scrum, particularly Robinson. It does seem that Alexander is not a tight head and he does himself a disservice by allowing himself to play there. Moore from all accounts is a good scrummager. Unfortunately, it seems the problem starts and finishes with Alexander. We were a whisker off a penalty try against us.

  • MrMouse

    Some quality comments, Bob, as one might expect from you!

    I’d largely agree with you. I have to say I thought that in the 3rd test, the fault of overthrows lay not with the throwers, but some lackadaisical lifting! However, I admit that we need to be hitting all our targets and the unit was dysfunctional.

    As a prop, I cannot understand how Alexander is persisted with. Well, I can, but it’s the same focus which saw multiple generations of capable set-piece props overlooked in favour of seagulling, try-scoring “stylish” players. Given that Kepu can (just) switch hit, we can afford to have Palmer on the bench!

    Regards your match ratings, I thought you were generous to Genia, harsh on Barnes, Robinson and TPN, and pretty right otherwise. Genia has the ability to be the best in the world – he should be judged by that under your system, and found wanting. Meanwhile as you say Barnes is coming off a much lower benchmark and had a much better game.

    Alignment, accuracy, consistency of effort and some minor technical aspects – these are what see us appearing so far behind NZ and SAF at the moment. It will be very interesting to see how we go come the 4Nations/Rugby Championship…

    Apologies if I make no sense whatsoever – it is after all 3am!

  • matty_k

    I’m going to defend BB on failing to kick for touch in Saturday’s game. Someone in the crowd had an air horn which was used three times in the second half when Berrick was kicking for touch and then two more times when going for points.

    • http://anothermattkelly.blogspot.com matty_k

      Just watched the game on tv for the first time.
      44:50 – When BB takes the ball back into goal and has to kick it clear.
      46:33 – This is the kick for touch BB misses.
      48:56 – Kicking for touch again but this time successful
      There was a couple of toots after Wales score their try.
      72:38 – BB kicking for touch again.
      75 – When BB kicks the final penalty

      Wow. There were more than I thought.

      At the game I did see people in the northern end of the stand people were pointing to where they thought it was coming from.

  • Hooper for 12

    I dont know… BB at 10 or 12 will not get us to No. 1 in the world. But OK as inside backs cover off the bench.

    I would like to see the explosive Hooper given a shot at 12 during the last 35 mins of the first Wallys v AB RC Test, outside one of the 3 Amigos. And a Slipper, Moore, Kepu front row, with perhaps Radiki playing a leading role in a fine late season for the Reds earning him a starting lock role in RC.

    • Chucka

      Are you mr Hooper???? :)

  • commonasmud

    Bob, couldn’t agree more re the quality (or lack thereof) of our restarts. Terrible at all our S15 teams, and the Wallabies. Both NZ and SAF teams are masters of restarts, and we are clearly lagging them and others in the world.

  • jimmy

    Surely the amount of possession we had and the amount of territory we had, throughout the series, should have seen bigger winning margins.

    Yes it’s great that we were able to control those facets of the game well but let’s be honest, there is little chance we will dominate those stats come the 4 nations.

    Our inability to convert that dominance into points, and to prevent the opposition scoring points is a massive concern.

    Coupled with our complete refusal to put pressure on the other team in set pieces and on kicks.

    Deans has had long enough – it’s time to give someone else a go.

    • Blinky Bill of Bellingen

      Jimmy – I think you’ve hit the nail on the head about the amount of possession we had and our complete inability to convert it to pressure and points. You’d think the Saffers, Argies & Nuns would be looking at that.

      • jimmy

        I must admit Blinky, I’m a little torn. We don’t seem to be having quite as many “why the f&^k would they do that” moments this year as we have in the past. ie – we aren’t playing quite as dumb from my point of view. But our execution continues to be poor and we still don’t seem to have any “plan B” when the pressure is on.

        I’m trying to work out whether Deans and the team will improve enough over the next year or whether we really need him out now. The fact he has had 5 years (which is more than double what Connolly was given) suggests to me he doesn’t have what we need. If we don’t do well in the 4 nations I’d say we really need to replace him given we are heading into the most important 3 years of Rugby we will see for the next decade.

      • johnny-boy

        The Nuns – haha I liked that. Ironic.

      • Mighty Moth

        I reckon that has a lot to do with lack of creativity in the back’s gameplan. With Quade Cooper (10), Diggers (11), Tapuai/Barnes (12), AAC (13), JOC (14), and KB (15). Those moments of pressure would more easily be turned into points if the Piggies are doing the tough stuff right. On top of that, they would also make it easier for the Piggies with go forward ball over the AD line. The play of recent times is very one-dimensional and predictable. Hence, lack of tries (pressure into points),

  • johnny-boy

    That’s probably the best summary I have ever read from you Bob. Straight down the line, no agendas. The highest compliment I could pay Wales would be that they are enthusiastic, innocuous, pretenders. Like Australia, they have been stripped of their passion and pride in their country and rugby history by a dour kiwi coach and only try and play robotic, strangulation, mistake opportunism kiwi rugby. You only have to ask yourself, will the All Blacks be worried about the Wallabies scrum ? Answer = No. They will licking their lips and laughing at the opportunities to come because after 4 1/2 years and millions of dollars of salary to Deans, it’s still crap. Will the All Blacks be worried about the Wallabies attack if Barnes, or McCabe or Horne are involved (and they will be as Deans loves underperformers to protect his job). Answer = No. They will be chuckling at the lack of threat and opportunities to come. The All Blacks are masters at exploiting weaknesses and Barnes will be the first one they will target. As I have said before I think Barnes is a great player but not if he stays being poisoned by the Tahs, or at 1st five where he is good but limited and his fragility will be exposed by a ruthless team. McCabe and Horne are average workhorses. Draught horses and the All Blacks will work them inside out. Especially Horne. As for Vuna, have mercy Deans, don’t put him in that position because they will mercilessly destroy him.
    I have to hand it to Deans tho, he has mastered the art of being an international coach as the Wallabies are always building, growing, learning, developing. As long as Deans can keep dangling the carrot with new players, underperforming players and new combinations he can make sure he never gets there and can argue for more and more and more time ‘ to grow’ and the idiots in tbe ARU (including ex Wallabys who should know better) are getting suckered every time. This year might be the year they get exposed. PDV is no longer around to mask the shortcomings.

    • Nabley

      Jonny boy, while, like you, I like Bob’s comments. However, unlike you and Bob I do not have a downer on Deans. For god sake we are number two in the world and have been under his tutilage for sometime. Number one has been playing fantastic rugby when they put their minds to it. Its a terrible expression but we have problems of depth within our cattle. All top tier teams have good players and a number of excellent players. We do not have enough of the last lot whereas number one has them in excess and often not in the first team as we saw with Cane, Cruden, Barrett, Romano and Gear over the weekend. An expression about silk purses comes to mind. Deans will be gone shortly so you will then be able to hook into the next one.

      • johnny-boy

        It’s all very well Nabley to endlessly try and make excuses by convincing yourself that Australian rugby is no good, our players are no good, we will never be any good enough to challange the All Blacks blah blah blah and we are so lucky to have an amazing ex All Black coach who can cobble your amazing negativity to scrape us off the turf we are so lucky to inhabit with those gods in black. Mate you’re either a born loser or a kiwi doing his best to talk us down. Where would Bob Dwyer and Phil Kearns be with that sort of attitude. It’s just un bloody Australian !

        • Nabley

          I think you read with one eye closed johnny-boy. We suffer from a lack of depth in our playing ranks.

  • johnny-boy

    ps my prediction for the southern hemisphere teams to wipe the northern hemisphere teams by 60 points was pretty spot on. The All Blacks just got greedy. South Africa has still got it’s learning wheels on and the Wallabies have got ……

  • Blinky Bill of Bellingen

    Bob’s comment about a work in progress nailed it ” now into our fifth year, that’s getting to be way too long. ………. Perhaps three days is too short, but 4½ years is definitely way too long.” ;)

    The trouble I’m having with Robbie as Coach is working out if we’re at the point of no return with him or not. :(

    • johnny-boy

      BBOB – we are

  • Jimbo81

    This is Australia’s full strength side based on present form:
    1. Ben Robinson
    2. James Hansen
    3. Sekope Kepu
    4. Rob Simmonds
    5. Adam Wallace-Harrison
    6. Liam Gill
    7. David Pocock
    8. Scott Higginbotham
    9. Will Genia
    10. James O’Conner
    11. Digby Ionie
    12. Adam Ashley Cooper
    13. Anthony Faingaa
    14. Dom Shipperley
    15. Kurtley Beale

    Bench:

    16. James Slipper
    17. Tatafu Polota Nou
    18. Beau Robinson
    19: Nathan Sharpe
    20: Quade Cooper
    21: Ben Lucas

    Between Quade and Lucas we can cover every position in the backline, and Beale and O’Conner are also capable of the same. I have not included Harris because the focus must be tries – not relying on penalties. The team I have selected above would score four tries a match, every match, regardless of opposition. The scrum will be dominant, the backrow are lethal, and the four forward reserves will come on with enough mongrel at ruck and maul to overwhelm the opposition. That’s also the worlds most dangerous backline.

    Dagg, Kahui, Smith, Nonu, Carter, SBW, Fruen, Cruden simply aren’t enough – as we have seen all year ( Reds Vs Blues, Crusaders, Chiefs). While the Crusaders won by a point (dodgy reffing), the were kept try-less at home. Nothing NZ have in their arsenal can get through Faingaa and Ashley Cooper. It’s a brick-wall, and NZ don’t have anywhere near the superstar factor of Genia, Ionie, Beale and O’Conner, with a watch-this-space from Quade. There’s also the chance of Drew Mitchell coming back – but until then the in-form wing is Dom Shipperley.

    • Bullrush

      LMAO…..you must be smoking something?!?

      Stephen Moore is miles ahead of James Hansen for a start. And then to have James O’Conner at 10?!? He’s serviceable in SR and has done nothing there at international level.

      As for NZ not having enough superstar power when compared to the Wallabies?!? Nothing could get through AAC and Faainga??

      Puff, puff, give mate…..LOL

    • Pedro

      13 reds from 22 places. The reds aren’t leading the aussie conference are they? Beau Robinson?! No Brumbies? I guess picking on form must mean something else where you’re from.

    • Barbarian

      Jeez Jimbo there a couple of major oversights there.

      Kepu over Greg Holmes? Come off it.

      And how you think AAC is a better player than Chris F’Sautia is beyond me. Would have liked to have seen Jake Schatz, Peter Hynes, Campbell Newman and Bomber the Dog there somewhere as well.

  • Nick_Brisbane

    Agree totally with Bobs comments about Genias service – I noticed Barnes having to catch it above his head standing still a few times whereas when watching Aaron Smith an hour later the difference was marked, fast, off the ground, ball thrown in space in front of his flyhalf

  • Bobby

    Nick_Brisbane. You need to have a fly half willing to run onto the ball to throw in front of him. Plus there were plenty of passes from Smith last week which were horrendous.
    Timani proved he is just a big lump of a lad and nothing else. Simmons proved again that he needs to be there if not just for our caller in the lineouts. I can’t recall a lost lineout with him on the field, If I’m wrong it might have been 1. Timani is BIG yes but at the 30 minute mark he was already out on his feet. Same with Palu both of these blokes are not fit enough to be in a Test team. I rate Palu highly but he just doesn’t seem to be effective past half time.

  • RJ

    Oh by the way, his name is Chris F’Sautia. He is good. Try in his first touch for the reds.

  • Nick

    I think one of our biggest problems is that we have almost no structure in attack. Not long ago our backline had stability with the combination of Larkham-Giteau-Mortlock. The All Blacks have structure with Carter-Nonnu/SBW-Smith. In my opinion, the best our back line looked under Robbie Deans was in the 2010 Tri-Nations and tour of Europe with the Quade-Giteau/Berrick-AAC combination. Why we haven’t gone back to this combination since confuses the shit out of me. Without combinations like this it is impossible to run an organized and functioning attack. What I saw on Saturday was Berrick Barnes not trusting the players outside of him or not knowing who was going to be the second receiver. As a result there were too many dangerous passes that skipped three or four people out wide to Kurtley. This leads to a stifled attack.

    I don’t mean for this to be a personal attack on Pat McCabe. He gives 110% effort every time he puts on the gold jersey and I greatly respect that. However, he is not and should not be a center just as James O’Connor is not a prop and Sharpie is not a scrum half. I think McCabe’s enthusiasm could be used well as a wing/fullback option in the last 20 minutes of a close match. However, we need to bring back a combination of Quade/Berrick-Berrick/JOC-AAC and STICK WITH IT!!!

    As a side note, in 2010, the team that lost to Munster had McCabe and Faingaa in the centers. The team that lost to England in Sydney and struggled in the beginning of the Tri-Nations had either Faingaa or Horne in the centeres. Things got better once these three left the team.

  • http://BigFella Big Fella

    Bob said;
    I see little evidence in our play that would warrant description using words like dynamic, urgent, hungry, relentless, frenzy, pace, acceleration, ‘hands’, power, drive.
    ………………………………………………………………………………..
    Watching the game live, I was gobsmacked at the lack of desire by the Wallabies to put Wales to the sword.

    Wales were a combination of wounded and exhausted but still we plodded along to all the set piece scrums, line outs, restarts, and took an eternity to kick for goals and for touch.
    They were there for the taking and all of us know that NZ would have run Wales ragged with quick taps, counter attacks, quick line out throws, fast restarts etc.

    The only thing I saw slower at these aspects was Wales.

    Are we not fit enough, is it a lack of on-field leadership, a lack of conviction/confidence, blind adherence to a set game plan?
    The SA U 20 forwards gave a fantastic demonstration of hunger, power and drive in their win in the final and if you looked up the other words Bob uses above in the dictionary, you’d find ‘All Blacks” there as the definition.

  • Dally M

    Sad to say, but the 3-0 series over the Welsh has just papered over the obvious cracks in Wallabies play & team in general.

    It’s also given Deans the reprieve he needed to coast through the rest of the season.

    We won’t beat the All Blacks playing like we are, not even the 2nd string All Blacks.

    Deans play what’s in front of you style is basically cross your fingers & hope one of the x-factor players pulls a rabbit out of a hat & produces a try. When that doesn’t happen we end up with games like the last 3 – a mountain of possession but bugger all to show for it.

    It will have to take an ass kicking from the AB’s & the Boks to possibly get Deans gone so that there is some glimmer of hope for the Lions tour. If we beat the Boks & have a close loss or two to the AB’s the cracks will be papered over again…

    If mediocrity is what we are after, we’ve got it in Deans.

  • Ballymore kid

    The mediocrity is not with Deans. The mediocrity is with the players he can select from. As Bob stated in this review, our best is not good enough to come close to the ABs. The Wallabies can pull it off on a good day and if the ABs have a really bad day (2nd test against Ireland kind of day).
    Stop blaming Deans for Wallabies mediocrity. We have one outstanding player who leads by example. All the others are average and only randomly lift for these games. They need to do so consistently and at a level that is comparable with the ABs. Deans is working within the limits he has. 4.5 years is too long, but the poor results are also reflective of the players and not only this coach. The grass roots development needs to be looked at, the same problem will continue to occur. e.g junior rugby world cup – wt!?!
    High expectations from the Aussie crowd, not helped by the Aussie media blowing the team up to something they aren’t…

    • Dally M

      How come some of those players can match it with the same guys from the All Blacks in Super Rugby then?

      Sure some of those guys shouldn’t be there, but again that’s Deans selections.

      Why can someone Link & Jake White get more out of lesser players than Deans can get out of some of the same players?

      We’ve seen glimpes of what they can do & they didn’t suddenly grow an extra leg during those games. The potential is there, but we are not seeing them playing up to that.

      Having fuck all of a game plan doesn’t really help that & again that’s Deans.

      • Bullrush

        There is a big difference between being good enough at SR and then transforming that form to Tests. Adam Thompson is a star in SR but, IMO, is just average in Tests.

        I don’t think he plays worse in Tests but there is a definite step up that I’m not convinced that all the top performers in SR can step up to.

      • Nabley

        Dally M I agree with Bullrush. There is a massive difference between S15 and Tests. Have you never wondered why Cooper is so average in Tests, but fantastic in S15. Tests are much more accurate, gaps close faster, tackles more consuming, passes more accurate and play while generally simpler, is faster. Besides last time I looked we have a team in number three position only because of the Conference system and without that the Brumbies might be sixth. Right now we do not have a second team, although that could change through mainly intra conference play from now on.

        • Dally M

          Of course there’s a difference between Super Rugby & Test Rugby. And i’m not saying all Super Rugby players are up to that, but we have enough players that can match it with the best NZ & SA players.

          The current places on the Super Rugby table are irrelevant to whether individual players are of that standard. I doubt the Reds would be where they are had Cooper played the whole season, or the Brumbies still had Lealiafano etc.

          Cooper is average in the Test matches for the most part because he is expected to play off the cuff, what’s in front of him etc. He was far more successful with Reds because there was a structure in place & he played within that, playing off the cuff when he saw the opportunities to do so & not being expected to create everything.

          Berrick Barnes didn’t become a better player or grow an extra leg for just 3 test matches, he played better because he had another player in Genia directing the play, and had players in support etc.

          We have the players & they have the ability. The problems lie elsewhere.

        • Nabley

          Dally M when did you come down? Of course Cooper plays off the cuff, that is all he knows how to play. The Reds have learned how to play round him, not the other way round. It would matter little if he was given a structure to play within, because he would ignore it. Who was his childhood hero; Carlos and we all know what he cost NZ.

          We are the fourth sport in Australia that looses our best, most coordinated and capable individuals to the first three. I really think that you have an over inflated opinion of what is available to the sport in Australia. If we were like NZ where the other sports pale in insignifigance to rugby, we would be on top. But we are not and a large number of players that we have, come to us either from across the ditch or the long flight from Africa. We will beat them and grab the Bledisloe one day, but they will quickly come back as they always have. Get some proportion in your observations and stop blaming your wagering loses on Deans.

        • Dally M

          You clearly never watched the Reds play at all last year.

          Link must truly be a master coach if he can mold 21 other players to follow a game plan revolving around a guy who you say can only play off the cuff. Incredible how he & they managed to do that & win the Super 15 last year.

          I haven’t seen too many of our talented young rugby players heading off to play AFL or Soccer.

          Deans has failed. He himself told us to judge him on his World Cup results & that was a failure. Beaten by Ireland, failed to top our pool, only beat SA with some help by Bryce & Broussow going off injured & then well beaten by NZ with their 4th string 10 at the helm.

          Yep, he’s a real success story that Deans fellow.

        • Nabley

          Dally M, you must have missed GG article in the SMH about when he went to watch a Wallaby squad practice at a top Sydney school. The Wallabies had been relegated to the back oval while Aussie Rules had the run of the front oval. Given NSWs strength in rugby has always been through the Private schools, that is pretty telling to me as to what is happening to the young talent.

        • Dally M

          No i saw it.

          From memory the Wallabies were only training there as their first/normal choice was unavailable.

          Not sure if you aware, but they are played on different shaped grounds. Playing AFL on a rectangular ground doesn’t really work, so it pretty much explains why they never vacated in deference to the Wallabies.

          That still doesn’t equate to a flood of talented rugby players heading to AFL. I think there has been 1 in the last few years that was good enough to play either & chose AFL – Roberts-Thomson.

          They are 100 times more at risk of going to League than AFL.

        • Nabley

          I live in a State where competition is rampant. I think it might have been a long time since you were involved with junior rugby. If you had been, you would know what rugby is up against. AFL has invested heavily to promote itself and kids with talent get dragged in. I am watching with interest to see what happens in Western Sydney. So far it does not look good, for rugby that is.

  • Ro

    IMO Ben Robinson is not playing anywhere near where he was in previous years. It could be symptomatic of his knee injury recovery, but I think he has lost some size and he is ineffective around the park and was pushed around on Saturday. Slipper should get a chance.

  • ellabroz

    McCabe, Horne and Ant Faaingaa. Centres who don’t/can’t pass. Plus AAC who has never passed the ball for the Wallabies. This has to be a problem – predictable play and very little opportunity to quickly get the ball wide.

    Watching the Wallabies is becoming depressing.

    And if the All Blacks can beat Ireland 60-0, why can’t the Wallabies put similar teams to the sword. Annoying.

  • James

    Pointless for so many reasons but:

    Try tallies from the 3 game series’s's’:
    NZ 15 – Ireland 2
    SA 7 – England 5
    Wallabies 5 – Wales 4

  • ScrumJunkie

    @Alan
    Smit was scrummaging at tighthead, back then for the saffas, they had the weakest scrum of the top 8 sides.
    Pato taught all his tricks to Alexander the first season he was scrum coach. The other sides wern’t ready for this. Now they have him worked out, and so have the refs.
    Unfortunately our scrum has not improved since 2009, all the other teams have. Ours has in fact got weaker, as fat cat has not regained full confidece yet.

  • D

    Once again Bob, spot on. My sentiments exactly.

    The one problem I see with our scrum is that the loose forwards are not staying bound to the scrum to provide and substance for push or resistance (especially on the opposition’s feed). I understand that they are getting ready to break and go after the back line behind the advantage line or to get to a ruck when attacking, but why can’t they keep their heads down and push and listen for a call from the scrum half or fly half. With this style that is currently being employed, it is essentially an 8 man v 5-7 man scrum. No wonder it is weaker.

    Thoughts?

  • Apostle

    I always expect/hope that the Wallabies do better than they often do.

    Having said that, I don’t think we have better players across the park than the All Blacks. If we did, and we still couldn’t beat them, I’d have a massive problem with Deans. Being that I reckon most people would agree than man for the man the All Blacks are a little bit superior, being ranked number 2 in the world is not bad.

    That also does not mean I wouldn’t like to see what Link would do in the role…

    • Graeme

      My thinking. I would by far prefer Link to Deans, but I don’t think Deans is the worst option. I don’t agree with his selections and I think sometimes his tactics are poor. But at least he seems to get something out of his players. After watching the 8 or 9 Waratahs play during the series, and win, all I could think is thank god he’s not Foley!

  • NTA

    Not sure if I’ve mentioned this before, but Fat Cat’s issues on Saturday came down to one fact: laziness. The Welsh were packing low, really bending their hips and knees. Robbo was too high, and came down to meet them, hence spearing into the turf when it collapsed and looking guilty as fark. Easy penalty to get for someone of Adam Jones’ experience, just hit straight and let Robbo take you down.

    When he finally put the work in, it showed, with Robbo driving through Jones to turn the scrum into our ball when it mattered (2nd half when they were about 10m out). Why he doesn’t do this all the time is beyond me – he’s the best LHP we’ve produced for years.

    Time to shunt Alexander. He was a good LHP if you valued mobility over scrums, but isn’t a THP and never really will be. In a similar vein to BA is Kepu – is a good THP at provincial level but really a LHP who can hold up that side if required. Better LHPs are out there who will tear him a new one come the Rugby Championship.

    Blades’ quest to get everyone playing both sides is a waste of time – we need to concentrate on finding the best two THPs in the country and having one of them learn the basics of LHP. Perhaps the only exception to this at present is Slipper, who is young and has the potential to be a very good tight head and a good loosehead.

    Perhaps a bigger issue is Foley’s lack of… well, anything … at the Tahs. As we’ve seen with all the Waratah Wobblies, there is something there that Axel doesn’t have.

    Now that the important facts are there for all to see, here is the best team we can field at present:

    1 Robinson
    2 TPN/Moore
    3 Palmer – our lord and saviour
    4 Pyle
    5 Sharpe
    6 Dennis
    7 Pocock (c)
    8 Higginbotham
    9 Genia
    10 Barnes
    11 Ioane
    12 McCabe
    13 Horne
    14 AAC
    15 Beale

    16 Moore/TPN
    17 Slipper
    18 Timani
    19 Hooper
    20 White
    21 Faingaa
    22 Mitchell

    Thing is, Bob’s points above stand: pace-wise, for some reason we’re getting annihilated by the Boks and ABs. Our set piece is showing glimpses, but not really enough. Our commitment is just not there at a consistent level on support play, kick-chase, or defence.

    That is the best front row (with either hooker) that you will find in this country, and perhaps the Southern Hemisphere. Sharpe is there for the experience he brings (though I’d love big Kev back), and Pyle for his fresh attitude, work rate, and hard work. Same as Dennis, Pocock, and Higgers.

    The backline pretty much picks itself at this point, with the possibility of O’Connor coming back in at 12.

    We need guys who are going to work hard, who actually value the ball, and can turn on the attack like we only seem to do when we fall behind. The team above will do this. There are a couple of flash Harrys in there but mostly guys who are going to run through brick walls and DO THEIR JOB. If you pressure the ABs or Boks for 80 minutes, you win games.

    • Hugh Cavill

      NTA you espouse the value of ‘hard work’ and ‘work rate’ and yet you don’t pick the bloke who comfortably lead the team in both tackles and runs for the Welsh series- Palu.

      • Mighty Moth

        And also a less than creative backline. Good in defence, yes, but as we have seen, lacking spark.

      • mark conley

        Yes, Palu for ‘Neanderthal’!

  • Robson

    I would agree that the Wallaby player stocks aren’t brimming over with surplus talent, but imho, Deans is just not getting the best out of what he’s got, because a lot of what is executed on the paddock is often well below what can realistically be expected of international class players. Furthermore I don’t think he knows how to get the best out of them and if he does he sure is taking a hell of a long time in showing evidence of it.

    As Bob says four and a half years is just way too long and reminds me yet again of that highly descriptive slogan.

    “Slow starters are no starters”.

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