England vs Pacific Islanders – Australian perspective

Matt Rowley November 9, 2008 7

No GravatarPoms vs Wallabies – crunch day approaches. What does the run out England had against the Pacific Islanders last Saturday tell us about it though?

The bad news (or good news if you’re a pom)
It was a 5 try to 1 win for the men wearing soccer players kit. So any hopes of a ‘new team set up’ shmozzle are out the window for starters. England have had a knack of taking a bunch of guys excelling in the Guiness Premiership or Euro Cup, and turning them into chumps. Against the PI, to a man they at the very least put in a solid professional performance.

And there were a bunch who showed more than that. Rees (7) and Easter (8) are hitting their international stride. While I’d put Rees a step behind Smith for speed to breakdown, he brings more impact and physicality. Easter is a pommy Palu with more nouse and footballing ability. The hooker Mears has a touch of Jeremy Paul about him, with a few more kgs.

The tight 5 found yards whenever they wanted them, but didn’t monopolise the ball. Halfback Danny Care was almost Burgess like in his speed of ball clearance and nose for an opportunity, but more accurate with the pass. Clearance speed at the breakdown is a factor that England tend to forget to the relief of the rest of us, but with Care in the chair, it looks like his natural game. As we all know, big boys coming onto quick ball is lethal.

And the big boys aren’t limited to the pack. Essentially the back 3, in terms of size and pace, are 3 Lote Tuqiris – the debutant 15 Armitage having a man of the match performance. Against the PIs, out was the ponderous pommy side to side predictability, and in was dangerous open field running from taps, turnovers and kicks.

The good news
They have props for centres. Flutey and Noon are big boys (there’s a theme here…) but didn’t show the agility to get through a hole. I also wonder about their defence against a stepper like Giteau. Mortlock would worry them less.

For Cipriani, read Beale. Talented no doubt (for chissakes, check out his girlfriend) but it’s early days for the wunderkind. The PI’s only try came from a charge down on a kick he could have made 3 times over.

Wingers. Ball in hand they look dangerous. But ball over or behind them? This does rely on the Wallabies having a kicking game though…..

Speed to the breakdown. Smith, or even Pocock should have the edge here. Latu did a great job. As we know though, this is very ref dependent.

The PI scrum not only held up, it milked a few penalties….. wishful thinking?

Discussion »

  • Pedro

    http://www.rugbyheaven.com.au/news/news/fleet-street-lines-up-against-deanss-team/2008/11/10/1226165429498.html

    Check out this story rubbishing our scrum (again). Lots of excerpts from English rags, this is from the SMH website.

    Ever heard of trying to beat a team on the field? Anyone would think that a scrum is something so sacred that only a few God ordained teams should be allowed to perform them.

  • True Brit

    Wow, a very optimistic and flattering commentary on the English team. I’d say we’re a bit light weight in the second row. Kennedy looked quick, but is he big/hard enough? Breakdown was very poor and agree the centres are donkeys. Anyway, we’ll see on Saturday…

    Pedro, have you considered an anger management course?

  • Patrick

    I’m looking forward to our scrums against England, amazingly. Maybe I’m just a complete fool!

  • Pedro

    I probably should True Brit, you wouldn’t like me when I’m angry. That last post was just my whinging pommy side coming through.

  • Matt @ Green and Gold Rugby

    Pedro – yeah, I’m working up to a post on that one. It sure suits british journo’s and pundits to keep this one alive. The truth is that until Baxter and Dunning are gone things wont really change on that front though. I like what I saw vs the Kiwis, but am not quite at the ‘looking forward to it’ stage like Patrick yet.

    TB – Yeah, it such a small pack, you really need to bulk up!

  • Ferdy

    Matt – a flattering report for England. Are you talking them up? I mean, how long did they have in camp to get together as opposed to the PI-landers?

    England are bloody hard to beat at Twickenham I admit. But I still think the Aussies will be harder.

    I agree with Pedro re the scrum too. Its about time the English press stopped trying to talk up their team, and just let their team do the talking for them (yeah right).

    I mean, it’s all very well to get five tries against the PIs (but when was the last time England got five tries against the Wallabies or the All Blacks for that matter?)

  • Gallagher

    To make things even more hilarious, sports betters are placing australia at slightly WORSE odds to win! What a joke! I think at best the English would be 3-1 odds, even considering they are playing at Twikenham… oh I just worked it out, they realised Dunning is on the bench, now it figures…

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