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English chariot runs over Wallabies

English chariot runs over Wallabies

The 2018 season is finally over for the Wallabies after they went down 37-18 to England at Twickenham.

Despite the 19 point margin, it wasn’t all plain sailing for England after the Wallabies rallied to level the scores at 13-13 on half time and could have even been in front after what looked like a shoulder charge from Owen Farrell on Izack Rodda went unpunished by referee Jaco Peyper.

It didn’t matter in the end as four England tries and the kicking display from Farrell were too much as England ran away with it in the second half to make it six wins in a row for Eddie Jones against Michael Cheika.

The Match

It was a dreadful start for the Wallabies with a slight bobble from Will Genia putting Dane Haylett-Petty under pressure and his clearing kick was charged down leading to a five metre scrum. The English scrum put the Wallabies on skates and a simple pass to Jonny May on the right wing opened the scoring after just two minutes.

The Wallabies were able to reply with a penalty goal to Matt Toomua but they still looked rattled with a pass from centurion Will Genia intended for Toomua finding the grass deep in their own end.

Owen Farrell kicked England further ahead with a penalty goal at the second attempt after his first hit the post to make it 10-3 after 15 minutes.

The absence of David Pocock was evident around the breakdown as they struggled to get much front foot ball and resorted to kicking away possession at times when they actually retained it.

The Wallabies thought they had a try just before the 30-minute mark to Haylett-Petty but his pass to Samu Kerevi in the leadup was forward although it took booing from the crowd for referee Jaco Peyper to get the TMO involved after initially awarding the try.

England went out to a ten point lead after Farrell’s second penalty goal but the Wallabies replied with a brilliant try to Israel Folau who ran a great line and left two English defenders in Farrell and Youngs in his wake.

In the shadows of the half time the Wallabies leveled the scores with a penalty goal at 13-13 but could even have been awarded a penalty try after Owen Farrell stopped Izack Rodda right near the line with what could have easily been a shoulder charge. Jaco Peyper told Michael Hooper that he thought ‘your ball carrier also dropped the shoulder’ going into contact after being questioned about it.

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England started off the second half well with a nice try to Elliot Daly who ran pretty much untouched from 40 metres out to the line.

England went 14 points clear not long after with winger Joe Cokanasinga getting in on the try scoring action. The Wallabies defence looked all at sea as he bumped off Haylett-Petty on the wing and then managed to stroll through passed defenders to score.

Farrell made the Wallabies task harder as he pushed the margin out to 17 points with his third penalty with 15 minutes remaining.

With the end of the game approaching, Farrell added salt to wounds with a try of his own after playing the full 80 minutes side and shouldering the load for his side.

There was one last roll of the dice for the Wallabies with Folau claiming his second of the game as time expired off a grubber kick from Foley after a line break from Haylett-Petty but it was too little, too late as the curtain came down on a disastrous 2018 for the Wallabies.


The Details

Score & Scorers

WALLABIES 18
Tries: Folau 2
Conversions: Toomua
Penalties: Toomua 2
ENGLAND 37
Tries: May, Daly, Cokanasiga, Farrell
Conversions: Farrell 4
Penalties: Farrell 3

Cards

Nil (Somehow)

  • Bernie Chan

    The ENG chariot has wobbly wheels, but still too good for a shambolic Wallabies. They monstered our scrum and the ruck/maul area, while their forwards carried the ball through our line with apparent ease. Several players made no positive contribution, but the sad part is that none of us is surprised by the result. Castle said a pass mark would be 3 wins, and we only got 1. Then the disgraceful handling of the player discipline issue…the Capt only tells the coach 10 days after the incident? And only after 2 players forced his hand? And then the Coach thinks he can smother it…and fibs to the media in the process? This Tour has been a train wreck for Oz rugby…how will Cheika and Hooper spin it…? Jeez, really dislike losing to ENG…and Eddie Jones!

    • Huw Tindall

      England should have one by 7 points. Wallabies aren’t that far off. The shit re player discipline is more concerning.

      • Alister Smith

        What’s worrying was that we had ill discipline and a poor finish last year too – though perhaps more on field Ill discipline last year – and some of our more experienced players – had this been addressed when it happened then the two players could have been sent home prior to Italy with a strong message sent to the rest of the team

        • Geoffro

          I’m sorry mate but I don’t have the same opinion of the whole AAC/Beale issue. Just more grist for the mill of the media and disgruntled Wallaby fans.My main concern would be the disharmony in the camp where one group seems to be set against the rest.It sounds Tah-centric (It’s galling to me being a NSW rugby tragic) and as much as I try to brush it aside as fantasy the fact that the under performing and misbehaving players,the captain and two of the coaches are so tied just makes it too real.The clique has failed miserably and makes a complete lie of any notion that some historically held that whats good for NSW rugby is good for Wallabies.The core of great Brumbies sides and prior to that great QLD teams have led the Wallabies to triumph. It’s terrible this group of tools has had such a negative effect.Glad the year is over.

        • Brumby Runner

          Great to see a pair of eyes opened to the cruel realities.

    • SkoomaAddict

      England are missing 15+ players and Hopper has more caps than their entire backrow. They are allowed to look a little wobbly.

      • Pedro

        Man you sure love England for a Welshman.

        • SkoomaAddict

          Who said I love England? I come from a country that defines itself almost exclusively by its neighbor, particularly in sporting terms. Which is something I frankly hate but thats another topic

          My interest is seeing how the game is fairing in Australia because from the outside it looks like the place is on fire.

        • Human

          It is on fire and RA keep buying petrol to throw on it.

        • Sevenwithasixonmyback

          It would be interesting to see how the Wallabies are now honestly perceived by other rugby nations…
          Are we now akin to West Indies cricket?
          Once so fearsome and now merely a shadow…
          The Windies suffering began with unrealistic player payments.
          Did ours?

        • Pedro

          That’s why it’s weird that you rush to the defense of the English when the rest of the post was referring to the poor nature of the Australian team.

      • While I agree England are missing a chunk of players, Itoje played most of the match like the offside line didn’t apply to him – and got caught a few times. He looks like a YC waiting to happen and with a different ref it could have. Farrell is going to get caught – tonight should have been penalty try, and that’s an instant YC. Sometime he’s going to do that, catch someone in the head and it will be instant red, and given his history of doing it often, the disciplinary committee might just throw the book at him.

        Unlike Ireland, who mostly defended from a clear step onside and rushed very hard, in a focussed way, England (Australia too) lined up offside and rushed. If the referees tighten up on that, England’s defensive structures will crumble. That’s not the players, that’s just lining up a step too far forward. In the commentary I saw, Mike Tindall, never afraid of pushing the offside line in his time, commented he thought they were probably 1.5 metres too far forwards for him to feel comfortable!

        And they were still comfortably worth at 17 point margin or more on the night.

        • onlinesideline

          Itoje was playing the ref. He realised what he could get away with and kept at it. We need some of that inteligence.

        • Smart play EXCEPT we would get pinged for it!

        • onlinesideline

          then adjust

        • Mica

          This is the point. Teams at this level need to be able to adjust to make things work. God knows why the Wobblies can’t.

        • Geoffro

          Leadership is a big part.Hoops just doesn’t have it and the backline leader was hiding somewhere near the sideline most of the night.

        • SkoomaAddict

          What have Maro or Farrell got to do with what I said? Or the defensive structure? or Mike Tindall…

        • Some of the “wobbles” are coming from senior players. They’re not things that will be fixed when the injured players return, they’re systems being taught or errors in the techniques that Jones is going to select in Japan.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Well said mate. I think Eddie and his boys got the “home team” advantage in a big way. This will disappear in Japan and I think they’ll struggle

  • Cameron Sim

    Is shoulder charging ok…if Owen Farrell does it? He gets away with one every England game.

    • Pedro

      It’s ok if it prevents a try.

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      That was the wrong decision for sure. Unlucky ruling there

      • Haz

        Peeper Peyper poor.

        To be fair to him there’s obviously no drive in the organisation for refereeing ‘interpretations’ to be brought into line.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Actually there is. It’s hard though because WR say one thing but then the country has a slightly different view and then in Aus you have states also sayings slightly different things

        • Geoffro

          Peypers “interpretation” for not penalising a blatant no arm tackle was that Rodda had also dropped his shoulder :O.I find it difficult to be fair to him, he’s considered to be one of the top three or so referees in world rugby yet cant rule correctly on an obvious shoulder charge with intent preventing a try.

    • adastra32

      It is OK, if unpunished tip tackles are also the order of the day. Peyper was his usual self…

  • onlinesideline

    I cant type anymore.

  • skip

    This simply cannot carry on without changes. I know we can’t afford to sack the head coach (he ought to do the decent thing & quit) but everyone else ought to be fired. Every single thing with this team is wrong. Tactics, skills, selection, team culture. You name it, it sucks.

    • onlinesideline

      We can definiely afford to sack Cheika, we cant afford not to. There is a whole super season and and mid winter campaign / camp and whole RWC camp. There is oodles of time.

      Can the code / our international profile afford another a FIFTH year of 8 or 9 losses ??
      Because that is exactly what will happen. 1000%. Why will this team with this coach beat teams next year. Ireland, England, NZ and SA will absolutely destroy us next year.
      5th year in a row.

      #CHEKXIT

      • laurence king

        Agreed, this team has lots of problems, but the biggest one is the head coach. All the other problems stem from him.

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        Mate I hear you. The only thing I disagree with is enough time and who else would want the job of dealing with this bunch of pretentious playing group. If this were to work I’d see getting rid of; the entire coaching group, Hooper, Foley, AAC, Beale, Folau (unless he gets an attitude change), TPN, Hanigan and maybe Latu and start again. Anything less will have the same poor attitude and self centred focus continue. That’s why I think we need to accept RWC in Japan is fucked and initiate the plans to start post this period

        • onlinesideline

          Im one of these blokes that belives 2 things that go against the grain of most peoples opinion.

          1) – in 95% of cases a player either has it or doesnt have it. Experience is over rated
          2) – coaching is not that difficult. You can remould a team very quickly into a good team if you know who to select and how to coach those selected.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          I tend to agree with you on the first point certainly. One could argue that what AAC brought into the team was experience in acting badly and losing for example.
          I do agree on the 2nd as well, but with a caveat that it’s a coaching team at this level. It’s not about finding a replacement for Cheika, it’s about finding a whole new team.

        • onlinesideline

          Granted the job is a big one but 2 responses.

          1) I do believe there are players to bring from Super rugby in Australia that could handle the pressure and prosper as part of a better slected and coched team.

          2) When we are losing 9 test matches a year, year in year out – could it get any worse? If there is one thing I will never understand in sport or business is peoples reluctance (fear) to change when things are diabolical.

          There is not a chance in hell this team is going to fire. Can it now and start again. At least the new team will have the RWC as experience for 2020 and beyond.

        • laurence king

          Agreed, as a Waratah’s supporter I’m sorry to say that the playing group would largely be better off without some of them or most of them. The coaching has been diabolical. I think that the SR coaches are going to have a lot of repair work to do over the summer to undo the damage that Cheika and co have done

        • Parker

          Get Muggleton for defence.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Your point about nothing being worse is very valid. I think there’s more hurt coming tbh

        • Dally M

          Where is all the money coming from to do this?

          Paying out 3 coaches contracts, buying out these others you are suggesting as replacements because they are also contracted at present + giving them a new contract on top of that….

          RA simply does not have the money.

        • HK Red

          Why aren’t there some KPI’s in these coaching contracts? If I performed that poorly at my job, I’d be tinned. Simple as that.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          Depending on the strategies teams can be turned around quickly, or slowly. Schmidt’s game plan is pretty complicated and took Ireland a long time to learn; Jake White’s game plan can usually be learned fairly quickly.

          However, I think we should target 2023 at this point, not 2019.

        • ozrugbynut

          re your second point, that is precisely why Cheika has to go in order to ensure there is change across the board. No use tinkering with the coaching team when we will get effectively the same vision. A proper selection panel is a no-brainer. Could someone like Laurie/Cron/even White come in in an advisory/support role a la Jones for White?

        • Alister Smith

          A lot of these blokes bring their teams with them – I think it could be done in time for the rwc but I am inclined to support the the current mob as best as possible with resources available until our inevitable (early) exit from rwc 19 while working behind the scenes to get the best possible set at both the top end and in development for life after rwc19 – I think personally that over focussing on the rwc cycles is partially to blame for the mess we are in – we sign coaches to long term deals that cover this period supposedly to give us continuity but effectively locking in non-performance, we match players to long term deals so we will have them for the next rwc with little guarantee that they will be still at a level to earn their spot – we give coaches graces allowing to «rebuilding period » after a World Cup and to « develop » a squad – surely picking the best players available at the time and having the emerging players compete for their positions is the best way to really develop rather than blooding half a dozen blokes in a particular position in the hope that one might be up to it? Our focus should be winning the Bledisloe and the rugby championship and any incoming tours EACH year and that will put us in the best position to win a World Cup anyway. A disappointing result last night and the spring tour generally and the season as a whole. I could say there is always next year but I have a feeling that the way rugby is travelling in Australia there might not be a next year soon if something isn’t done and it’s not limited to changing this coaching team unfortunately it’s just not that simple

        • Geoffro

          Short term contracts aren’t unheard of and if we’re working with this core of players for the next WC would probably be the go.Larkham has worked with White before and Jake is a bit of a mercenery and gloryhound I reckon he’d bite (sorry to sound derogatory so I’ll soften that by saying I think he’s a very good coach) and he’s less connected to the trainwreck which is RA.He’d be my pick in the mould of the short term Dutchies the Socceroos employed in their WC bids.Jake would probably get rid of Grey straight up because I think he knows what it takes to assemble a decent defence.Refresh after the WC

        • While I accept your point that focussing on the RWC means you tie your coach in to a four year contract and if they’re producing crap, you’re stuck with them, there’s an issue on the flip side of that.

          Every other top tier nation offers its coaches those four year contracts too. There are a few exceptions to that but if you want a coach with an international record, you’re mostly looking at coaches who have tried, failed, and fallen back to coaching in Super Rugby or similar. Now, many of those have a record of “failure” that is better than Cheika’s record of unsackable success, and while they may well not offer any better chance than Cheika of winning in Japan they would offer a change of personnel and tactics – good, and a chance to start building for the future – even better. They would probably offer a chance of going further through the contest too.

          But lets say Schmidt is available after 2019. (He might decide to stay in Ireland, he might not get the top job in NZ if it’s available and he decides to go for it.) If RA offer him the top job in Australia on a year-by-year basis, he might just say “no thanks.”

        • Alister Smith

          Yes fair point. I think it depends on who we can get – i don’t have an issue with giving a coach a 4 year contract so much as linking it along with everything else, to the World Cup. I think a four year contract that begins 2 years before and runs for 2 years after would be preferable in some ways. My main argument is there is little point to me losing most of our games for a four year period and then performing reasonably well in an 8-10 week tournament once every four years and then telling ourselves that everything is OK.

        • That’s certainly true. While I think a four year contract from World Cup to World Cup is kind of inevitable, I think a good coach might be more willing to sign a 2+2 year contract. So there would be a meaningful performance review after two years, and if that’s OK, you get the next two years.

          Things to write in for the first two years I think are negotiable but should be made public. I think there’s a pretty tough ask to be honest. There clearly needs to be a better winning percentage. That has to be tempered against the current stupidity where there aren’t decent options in a load of positions because the head coach has stuck with bad players, players in decline and so on. So there needs to be a wider squad where ideally by the end of those two years you have three players with 10 caps in their specialist position, and four for the front row.

          Those two policies are in tension with each other – the wider selection policy is probably going to cost the team some matches. But, if it costs the team some tight matches where the team generally plays well and the fans see improvement, fans can buy in to that. If Bledisloe matches become thrilling again, if incoming June tours, whatever they look like in future, become good test matches, then perhaps at first only the diehard fans start watching once again. But if they’re not taking to GAGR and bemoaning the same faults, the same issue and mounting their own hashtag campaigns for the sacking of the coach… that IS an improvement!

          And when there’s a wider squad that gels, a team that plays well for each other as a team and the results start to come in, the more casual fans that only want to watch when the Wobs are winning will come back too.

          Sorry, that got longer than I expected, I’m writing a blog post for my own blog looking at the November tests overall. But there are some bits about the state of rugby in Australia and how deep I think the damage that Cheika has done, how long I think it will take to fix, bubbling around in there too. That two years is on the generous side tbh.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          I think part of the issue with Cheika’s current contract is that he was in such a strong negotiation position that he could dictate the terms that have got us here. This was due to the imperative to get someone at short notice. If RA sack Cheika now they’ll be in the same space with whoever is next. As much as it hurts this almost has to play out.

        • Geoffro

          I s’pose it would be typical of RA to not have any contingency plan.Discussion should have been had with a caretaker coach in the event Cheika became immediately unavailable for some reason.If that caretaker has to take us to WC until the best qualified head coach is appointed so be it.

        • Richard Patterson

          I sense OLSL that what you outline with No. 2 is Michael Cheika – until you move to the all important “how to coach those selected” stage.
          Michael Cheika is not alone. The sporting world is full of coaches who arrive into a broken situation, initate immediate changes, introduce a hard edge, get everyone rowing in the same direction, eliminate the idiots, non-believers and the show ponies and introduce a style based on very simple basics of conditioning, tackling and physicality. It often gets immediate results. But it’s a style with no substance or expertise to it. It’s not complicated to dissect or breakdown. Once it is broken down it’s actually really simple to beat — especially when the players running out every week don’t have the skills to adapt, evolve or improve. A fit but skilled player will always beat a fit unskilled player and this is where Cheika coached teams unravel. In the past 2 years Italy are the only Top 10 side not to beat Cheika’s Wallabies. The other 9 have — some multiple times, many comfortably. That tells me the world has worked out to beat the Michael Cheika coaches Wallaby teams.
          Some coaches are suited to turning around broken situations – but poor at advancing them further.
          Some coaches are poor at building a foundation to deliver a turnaround – but clever at advancing teams that have.

          I think we know in which category Michael Cheika belongs. The challenge of finding the latter must be the goal for Rugby Australia.

        • HK Red

          Agreed KRL. RA and the Australian rugby public have to accept that RWC 19 is gone. Cheika’s peak was the 15 final and it’s been 1 step forward and two steps back since. Clean sweep of the coaching staff. Foley, AAC, Beale, TPN definitely cut. Latu and Hanigan binned from the team until they sort themselves out. Folau is an enigma, is he currently the laziest player you’ve ever seen in test rugby? So often he just gives up, where the fck is the fight in this bloke??? Hooper, is a great player, but not a 7 and not a captain. He should be coming on with 30 to go, running at tired legs, which would also allow us to give Pocock some rest as the bloke is clearly on borrowed time.
          So take a broom to the whole organisation and start afresh, looking at RWC19 as an opportunity to give some youngsters an experience and mould them over the next few years to target RWC 23.
          And you’re spot on about the coaching options. Who the fck would want to take this on? With the attitude of the senior players and the shower of clowns that is the administration, why would anyone bother. The argument that gets put forward about Head Coach of Australian Rugby being a prized position, is a furphy.
          Arrgh so fcked off with Aus rugby right now and to make matters worse, I also have to deal with The Reds!!

        • Certainly agree with most of what you say. Poor selections (blame Cheika for sure); poor coaching staff (bring back Link McKenzie IF he would come after the treatment he received, and John Muggleton); replace the Captain and put Pocock in his righful position on the open side. We must be the only country in World Rugby which doesn’t have its best player playing in his best position!! Bring in a SPECIALIST inside centre!

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          I think we need to get rid of Haylett-Petty too. We cannot carry these players that cannot defend.

        • Parker

          We’ve got as much time as there is.

        • joy

          You could at least try to conceal your intentions. Unbelievable!

        • mark conley

          based on current form what would your team be today for a match next week (pocock’s cervical vertebral ligamenture intact)

      • Andrew Luscombe

        There is no winter campaign in a world cup year, and the Rugby Championship is halved. We have about 1/3rd of the games you’ve assumed.

        • onlinesideline

          Every side Cheika picks is a new side. Every week. So whats the difference. We havent benefited from any consistent line ups. So what would we be losing ? To put Foley in at 12 is treated the jersey and the side with utter contempt. He is NOT a 12. Simple. How desparate is that. Its unbelievable. If you are going to take a risk play Kerevi at 12 and Jordan at 13.

        • Ed

          At most they will have five tests, if they can get a warm-up reportedly against the US like in 2015 before Japan.

      • Wallabrumby

        #CHEIKXIT
        Trending
        But likely ignored

    • Parker

      We can’t afford to NOT sack head coach.

    • Old_Laurentian

      Who set up a contract where you can’t afford to sack a failed coach?

  • adastra32

    Notwithstanding the general malaise for the WBs, I would be very worried at the over-reliance on one or two key players – Pocock especially. World Cups test most countries’ strength-in-depth once they progress. The WB pack looked lost without him. If he crocks early on next October, it could be curtains…

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Mate unless there are big changes, and I don’t think there’s enough time to embed these, then it’s going to be curtains regardless

      • Old_Laurentian

        Agree. So let’s make the change now!

    • Alister Smith

      I think there is very little chance Pocock will be available post rwc given these neck injuries – I may be biased by my own circumstances as that was what convinced me to stop playing but I played through knees and backs and a ruptured Achilles tendon but when the doc tells you your neck is dodgy that was a whole different thing

  • Simon

    In the presser Cheika apparently once again complained that the Wallabies kicked too much. He’s had three years in charge and kicking too much (and kicking poorly) has been a constant issue. How shit a coach do you have to be to recognise the problem and make no progress on it whatsoever in three years? These constant deep up and unders are entirely predictable – they make 10 metres of territory and hand over possession to the opposition in broken play in our own half, usually to dangerous outside backs like that Cokanasiga tonight.

    If they are kicking too much then CHANGE IT. If they won’t change then cut players, or even coaching staff.

    Don’t spend three years worth of press conferences whining about it!

    • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

      Huh? We barely kicked at all from 2014-17 from my point of view. We have kicked way too much this year as the team has been in terminal decline, lacking all confidence and out of ideas.

      • Andrew Luscombe

        It doesn”t matter much how often you kick, how well you do it is much more important e.g. Ireland.

        The problem is kicking too far for the chasers to chase or not chasing.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          I basically agree, but I do think we kicked too little from 2014-17 – we left no doubt in the opposition about what we were going to do during that period.

        • Andrew Luscombe

          Yeah. You do need to kick a bit. They were lacking there particularly for the England tour in 2016.

          It’s worrying that Cheika thinks the issue was kicking too much, rather than not doing it well. Against that defence a good kick and chase is useful.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          Yep, absolutely.

          The old adage that a kick is only as good as the chase is also true, however. Hegarty did a bunch of shit kicks for the Tahs this year, which he singlehandedly turned into good kicks through fantastic chases.

        • Alister Smith

          Yes that’s also very true no doubt – the results from some of the poor kicks today would have been made better by a good chase. Is the chase poorer because we aren’t on the front foot when we are kicking but on the back foot and sliding?

        • Alister Smith

          I have a theory on this. The issue is we only kick as a last option and only after « premeditated «  ball in hand play has failed. Our decision makers are not deciding is this the best option here to kick or to keep ball in hand. The are deciding to run it first, often in a predetermined fashion and when the line fails to be broken and we have lost perhaps 15 metres backwards (by going sideways) we then kick as a matter of last resort. There is very little « attacking » kicking – unless you count the Hail Mary’s to Folau on the diagonal. We could do with a bit more early kicking for position and then using our defence to pressure the opposition in their own half rather than trying to run everything then kicking out of desperation when it fails.

          having said that when I look at how we run our attack I find a lot of similarities to what opponents are doing and the key difference looks to be our inability to effectively perform skills under pressure to the same level as our opponents. Put more simply we miss more tackles throw more poor passes, mis kick more kicks and have poor execution at set plays.

        • Mica

          Hit the nail on the head. The chase can make a poor kick good.

        • Geoffro

          A good chase is key but popgun kicks down the oppositions throat are poor.Was Toomua even looking where he was kicking to or communicating with his team.Unfortunately he was playing like Foley which is hardly an ambition.

        • Mica

          I guess the point I am trying to make is for all players to turn a bad play into a better play through showing urgency and endeavour. Get to the loose pass. Close the gap in the defensive line. Chase and contest the crap kit. This is what the good teams do and this is what lifts a team and swings momentum.

        • Geoffro

          Sure,I get it and agree but that is on the players , it’s fundamental not coached but the poor tactical kicking seems to be a plan badly executed. (I s’pose thats on the players too but ultimately a poor game plan)

      • Queenslander

        Sorry kicking is the province of the coward. Gifting hard fought possession to the opposition means you have sacrificed control and now are in the land of hope. The only kicking we need is punting the entire coaching staff (and add the vicar of dibley to the list completely out of her depth if she doesn’t sack cheika

        • Queenslander

          SorrybDB that was not directed at your post

      • Simon

        I remember frustration at the kicking going way back earlier than this year – more usually the box kick and kicking a Hail Mary just as they get into a good attacking position which drove me to yelling at the TV. But I agree it’s gotten worse this year. Now they’ve mostly switched from box kicks to too-deep up and unders, and we hardly see the box kick at all. It’s typical Cheika – totally predictable and no subtlety whatsoever. All box kicks, finally decide box kicks don’t work, switch to all up and unders. Makes it extremely easy for the opposition to work out what we’re going to do.

        As discussed below it’s less about the frequency of kicking and more about the frequency of poor kicking. If you’re kicking a lot but it’s working then you’re not kicking too much. I have never felt the Wallabies have had a good tactical kicking game under Cheika.

    • Haz

      At the end of the day he did well to reach the final in 2015 but he’s been done 5/5 or 6/6 by Jones since then. 3 of which were at home.

  • SkoomaAddict

    As a Welsh fan I have no dog in the fight but surely Cheika cant continue to the World Cup? Or will binning the coaching staff under him be enough?

    There is no way Castle can spin this into a positive

    • Fatflanker

      He should do the honourable thing and resign – but he won’t. Like a gambling addict he’ll look to double down on his losses next year. RA needs to step in to inject some rationality into his selection decisions and appoint assistant coaches worthy of the title – there is a smorgasbord of candidates in the NRC that could be relied upon to do a better job.

      • laurence king

        Cheika said in an article the other day that ‘he is his harshest critic’. I would suggest that he goes and gets his hearing and eyesight examined lol. There are a few coaches around like Fisher Cron and Ella who could be relied upon to make better selections and to get the side playing intelligent rugby.

      • Brumby Runner

        FF, new Assistant Coaches will achieve nothing. Clearly, the main issue now is with Cheika. He is nowhere near being a head coach for a national team, and anyone working with him will be tarred with the same brush, as are Larkham, Grey and the forwards coach. Nobody in their right minds would want to be associated with Cheika right now. It would be a certain career killer.

        Really, the whole lot need to go, and they need to be pissed off now. Not after the RWC.

        • Old_Laurentian

          Immediately. If not sooner.

    • st saens

      Rumours abound that at least one of the coaching staff has had a major falling out with Cheika, and they hardly speak.
      Cheika demanded absolute power.
      Cheika has proved an absolute failure.
      SACK CHEIKA NOW.

      • onlinesideline

        My money would be on Bernie.

        • Singapore Sling

          If RA really cannot afford to hire an interim coach then don’t. An alternative could be to hand Cheika a mop and bucket and the clip board to Larkham. Knuckles said on a podcast recently the attack coach should be the head coach to ensure no misalignment in strategy.

          I’m not an advocate for the current assistants but at least we’d see the direction an unencumbered Larkham would take.

        • onlinesideline

          cheik would walk mate

        • HK Red

          Yes please!

        • Patrick

          oh well.

        • Old_Laurentian

          So call up Knuckles as a temporary head coach?

        • Singapore Sling

          Knuckles would be good as an interim coach as his strength is simplifying the game plan.

    • ozrugbynut

      If not Cheika, then there needs to be accountability from the coaching staff after a period of sustained non-performance. In my view there has been a marked and relatively rapid decline in attack, defence, set piece and I cannot see any noticeable improvement in skill set/kicking. Considering the cost of paying Cheika out, i think there is a strong and clear case to remove grey at a minimum on results only. Cant see how Mick Byrne has added any value, Ive heard zero from the new forwards coach but results have tanked, and attack has been aimless for some time.

      • HK Red

        Surely we won’t have to pay him out. Hasn’t he said on multiple occasions that he doesn’t do this for the money?? Well, money where your mouth is matey, bugger off and cxl your contract. Lords knows, given the tripe he is serving up, Cheika is very poor value for whatever the amount is that RA are currently paying him.

      • Packy

        Pay out Cheika.
        Offer it to Hoss + Adrian + Who for 12 months
        live blog every meeting and training session
        Comedy + brains
        We could not do any worse

  • onlinesideline

    The overall discipline of the player group is outstanding. They are a very well behaved bunch of blokes. AAC oversight is extraordinarlity dumb and I wont start bagging the team for this mistake that a guy just called into the team has committed.

    Hooper’s reluctance to tell Cheika is also dumb and wrong too. He is not a captain. He seems highly strung, unhappy and emotionally volatile. He should be free to just play. Pocock is definitely the better choice, although not perfect as he is a very quite guy and a bit inroverted but hes respected by everyone.

    But for me, if we are speaking “dumbness” picking Foley at 12 against a team full of huge, fast, impactful backlne players leaves me speechless.

    Our whole team is wrong. Our tight five are not strong enough, no tough enough, not impactful enough. Oddly we do have the makings of a good loose 3 but the combos area ll wrong. Our backlne midlfield is a compelte mess and our chopping and chainging of wingers and full backs is ridiculous too.

    I really do belive there are players left out that could be in the team. Cotrell and Holloway type players and there are many more. Even guys like the Ruan Smith and JP Smith. These guys are tough and have totally ignored. Cheika seems to be obessed with Islander strength. Why ?

    Kerevi is totally exposed and ineffectual when playing the top 3 teams. I dont get it with him. He is not fleet footed and is out and out slow.

    If I was coach I can safetly say at least 10-12 of this 23 day sqaud wouldnt be near my team.

    The damage done to the code since 2014 has been almost irreversable. We are the south hemisphere easy beats now. England cut through us like butter. Truly embarrasing. When the crowd starts laughing when Cheikas face comes on camera, well what can you say. No words left..

    • Shtinatina

      ” AAC oversight is extraordinarlity dumb and I wont start bagging the team for this mistake that a guy just called into the team has committed.”

      Huh?? Why AAC isn’t coping more heat is beyond me.
      The man has 100+ Wallaby caps, he’s no rookie.
      He’s been part of the set up for years and knows team protocol, I don’t care if it’s his “sister in-law” this time. Funnily enough, he’s been in trouble before in Dublin, under similar circumstances. Hardly an “oversight”.

      I can understand Hoopers reluctance to tell the boss, but he did, pity it wasn’t sooner. AAC, should take a good look at himself for putting his team mate in the hard place to tell the boss of his mistake. That’s a shit spot for anyone to be put in & have to negotiate. Says more about AAC than it does about Hooper.

      • onlinesideline

        ACC should cop it but hes been out of he team for 2 years and just called in 2 weeks ago – thats my point.

        • Shtinatina

          And the rules & protocol haven’t miraculously changed in that time. He has no defence in this situation & has played under Cheika for years. He put himself ahead of the rest of the team.

        • onlinesideline

          Mate Im NOT disagreeing with you.

        • Shtinatina

          Mate, well it seems that way, as you keep qualifiying AAC’s stupidity that’s all.

        • onlinesideline

          I wasnt qualifying his stupidy. I was saying the rest of the team shouldnt be caught up in his dumb behavour, as he has been out of the team for 2 years and just been invited back in. Hang AAC all you want I agree but the team recently have been outstandingly behaved. Why should the team suffer because of him and get brushed wih same stroke ?

      • Mike Thompson

        Beale should be coping it as much.

    • HK Red

      OLSL is was about to write a ranty missive about your sentence “hooper’s reluctance to tell Cheika is dumb” and then I read the rest of your post. You addressed that point well and for me, it’s o ne of our major issues. Our leadership team is flawed. Hooper and AAC have form in this sort of behaviour before. Until the players start to understand that they are not bigger than the team that we pay to support and provide them with a livelihood, then Australian rugby will keep treading water with their legs tied together.
      Good post mate.

      • Richard Patterson

        No disresepct to the guy because I have met him and he’s a decent fella when away from the playing field. But how Nick Phipps is part of the Wallby leadership group is extraordinary. This is a guy littered with a series of poor decisions on and off the field. Getting sanctioned by Nick Phipps would be trying.

        • HK Red

          Hahaha I thought exactly the same thing when I saw his name listed as part of the leadership group!

        • Patrick

          No doubt he’s a great bloke and from the discussions we had in Melbourne I’d happily have a beer or a kick with him anyday. But that’s got nothing to do with the price of fish!

        • Geoffro

          Is he literate?Usually if you can string a few words together eloquently without sounding like a neanderthal for the media and teammates you can qualify.Talent isn’t necessarily a criterion.

    • Bakkies

      Australian sport will never learn and grow up when people call these incidents mistake. Even people called the sandpaper incident and Smith lying in a press conference a mistake. FFS they aren’t mistakes.

      • mark conley

        Sorry Bakkies what particular incident? genuine question, am gettin old
        just read the other posts so i assume you mean aac-beale

        • Bakkies

          The ball tampering incident in South Africa in March that led to captain and vice captain both receiving 12 month bans.

    • ozrugbynut

      would not let Beale off the hook either – he was present and really should have been in AACs ear about the protocol, just shows you even the experienced players lack the leadership qualities or feel there is no accountability/oversight over their actions either due to the coaching teams apathy or perhaps knowing that there is heat on the coaching staff so they can escape punishment or a combination of both. The fact it took Hooper 10 days to advise Cheika suggests he is not the leader the wallabies need, though I cannot see anyone else in the ranks. Sadly, it reminds me of the loss of leadership after Mowen departed.

      • Brumby Runner

        I seem to recall many criticisms of Mowen here and in the press at the time for “dobbing” on his team mates. Think it was the catalyst for his eventual omission from the team.

        I agree Hooper is not captain material, but there is a lot of inconsistency across the fans.

      • formerflanker

        Did Hooper know about the incident for 10 days, or did it come to his attention more recently?

        • Dud Roodt

          By the sounds of it from this mornings’ article – Hooper only found out about it days after the fact from other senior players

    • Haz

      It’s a fair point. As hard as Farrell hits, could you imagine him stopping Etzebeth or Retallick there?

      • Brumby Runner

        Rodda was off balance after beating the previous tackle which was around his right leg. He had only taken one step further to his left foot when hit by Farrell. I have no qualms at all about Rodda’s toughness and the momentum of the collision actually sent Farrell two or three metres into the goal area.

        • onlinesideline

          Farrell fell backwards in an exaggerated way and feigned / took a dive to lessen the look of shouldering someone just like he did when he shouldered the saffa bloke 2 weeks ago. If you watch carefully on both occassions he pretends to be partially knocked out, has a quick looksee if ref responds and gets back up.

        • Greg

          I thought yellow + penalty try tbh.

          He took the same dive after the shoulder charge in the previous game.

        • Timbo

          PTry and yellow every day. Made no effort to wrap arms and attempted to make it look like a collision rather than a tackle. Takes nothing away from the Wallabies woeful efforts but that is the pivotal moment in the game. First 10 mins the English have 14 men and are down by 4…

        • Damo

          Rodda was certainly not the worst out there last night.

        • mark conley

          well said BR, exactly
          i read many posts and wonder if they ever actually played

    • Singapore Sling

      Spot on with everything. Rodda should hang his head in shame, Farrel should be waking up with a beard. DHP’s miss on Cokawhatsisname was extraordinarily bad, Coka takes the ball and his arms are raised a little as DHP hits him….should have absolutely drilled him.

      I think there was a camera shot in the first half of Cheika blowing up with Shaw and co. in the row behind scowling at him. Could this be the end my friend?

      The Wallabies backrow were outplayed to a man. Hooper was industriously ineffective, he simply does not have the body mass to be effective against a big side like England. The lineout was good and Latu hit his targets so there’s that.

      Defence….FFS, the Wallabies made half the English backs look like Lomu. Cheika will be remembered for “turning Englishman into legends since 2016″.

      Hey Rae it’s bin night, you know what to do!

      • Brumby Runner

        SS spot on about Hooper and his lack of physicality against big, harder sides. But he looks like the Hulk in comparison with Hanigan.

        • Singapore Sling

          It’s just madness isn’t it. Playing these lightweights is like taking a troup of fast bowlers on a tour of the subcontinent.

        • formerflanker

          Yet Hooper managed to clean out a ruck in the 79th minute, the possession leading to Folau’s try.

        • Parker

          Cooper the faster one is Jetsam to Hanigan’s Flotsam.

      • HK Red

        Think that’s very harsh on DHP for that missed tackle. He got his head in the wrong spot and copped a right hip to the side of his head. You can see him momentarily stunned, he just sits right on the ground.

        • Singapore Sling

          I just watched the reply and still feel the same. If DHP botched the tackle it’s harsh? He was sitting on the ground in disbelief that he’d just been megged badly.

        • HK Red

          Head in the wrong spot, got stunned, extraordinarily bad, fair enough

      • mark conley

        i have to disagree with coka / dhp
        where you hit; where they choose you to hit and CENTRE OF MASS
        100% with Hooper; i do remember him getting under a ball and another was him crawling 3-4 metres which may be more than he ran it
        Samu just not NATURALLY big enough and i do not mean those USELESS big biceps-triceps on some players

      • Mad Panda

        Rodda was wrong footed. His body was shifting upwards when he got bumped.

    • Bakkies

      The Smith brothers aren’t eligible they broke their eligibility after they both left the Brumbies to go overseas.

      • onlinesideline

        shame – I thought they had potential

    • Bakkies

      The Smith brothers aren’t eligible they broke their eligibility after they both left the Brumbies to go overseas.

  • Pedro

    Australia unlucky not to have two more tries heading into half time. Farrell’s shoulder charge was the most obvious example of a penalty try you can get. Peyper’s assertion that both players were using their shoulders is contrary to what the rules state.

    • SkoomaAddict

      But why are the Wallabies always the victim? Its a continual list of if, buts and maybes. Doesnt matter who you are playing there is always something that robbed you or conspired to make you lose.

      Once or twice fair enough but it is an alarmingly consistent trend that seems to have enabled Cheika to stay as head coach far past his sell by date.

      • Pedro

        I didn’t say that decision made the Wallabies lose, or that we were robbed. I was merely highlighting a controversial aspect of the test match and giving an opinion on it.

        I think you’re struggling to read the room if you think the general consensus is that Cheika should stay.

        • SkoomaAddict

          I said not two comments below mine that I think Cheikas position is untenable? Its obvious he has to go. Nothing to do with misreading a room.

          But I stand by what I said.

        • Pedro

          If you’re referring to the isolated incident I referred to then yes, I do think Australia was hard done by.

          Over the course of the match England were clearly superior, sorry I didn’t add that to my initial comment.

        • juswal

          No need to apologise to him, Pedro. He’s being an arse.

      • Australia aren’t always the victim of this, read around, even in the British press, and Farrell was considered pretty lucky by most not to have been sin-binned for exactly the same thing against SA a couple of weeks ago.

        Some time soon, he’s going to have a ref that doesn’t say (mentally at least) “Oh, he’s tiny, he’s a 10, I’ll let him get away with it.”

        And I really don’t see how it makes a difference to Cheika staying in his job. The only thing that makes any sense is that the person in control of the money at RA has said “We cannot afford to sack him, keep paying out on his contract and employ a new head coach.” A few of the fans on here might do it for the glory and a sensible salary that RA could afford. Hell, if RA will relocate me, house me for a year in a nice 3 bed place and pay me $90k, I’ll do it. They can afford that on top of whatever small fortune they’re paying Cheika I’m sure!

        • SkoomaAddict

          What relevance does anyone’s opinion have on that incident have with what I am saying? Yes it probably was a harsh call for Australia but that is neither here nor there. Games consistently seem to be ‘decided’ by those decisions for Australia. You go through Australian twitter pages linked with GAGR and their feeds are littered with gifs and webms of something egregious that has been done to the Wallabies.

          People are bringing up the same criticisms of the coaching set up here now as were brought up and dismissed during the 2016 England tour.

          Have you heard Cheikas press conferences. He is never wrong, there is always a reason why the Wallabies didnt win and its usually got nothing to do with them. That, in my opinion, is very similar to the comments I see here and on the podcast. Its gotten less and less this year but I feel that in general is the attitude that has allowed Cheika to stay as head coach for far too long. Enough people buy into the excuses, the performances have gotten so bad that its just not possible anymore

        • Pedro

          You’re complaining about people on Twitter mate.

          Do you know how pointless that is?

          No one here is saying that any decision cost Australia the game, to the contrary in fact.

          It’s quite acceptable though to discuss controversial decisions about the match on the match report.

        • SkoomaAddict

          Who cares about the medium? The difference between someone posting here and some posting on twitter is wafer thin.

          You are completely right, discuss it till your hearts content

        • Pedro

          I mean if you have a problem with what someone says on twitter, take it up with them on Twitter. Don’t shoe horn some pre prepared argument here where it makes no sense.

        • Parker

          I thought it apt that the article stated, “Farrell added salt to wounds with a try of his own after playing the full 80 minutes side and shouldering the load for his side.” Shouldering indeed.

        • juswal

          You’re right, Eloise. The often-floated idea that RA can’t afford to pay Cheika out is a furphy. There’s no multi-year payout needed. He just gets his final year’s pay.

      • Mica

        Yep some seemingly bad calls but the Wobblies were nowhere near good enough to say the ref took it away from them. Didn’t deserve to be even at half time. Some real rubbish in that performance.

    • Fatflanker

      Peyper predictably disappointing – again demonstrated he is the ultimate home-town ref.

      • Haz

        Just disappointing. Was he giving home advantage when he nearly gave a try without looking at it? Or didn’t give a yellow for a clear tip tackle? We say yellow but Warburton got a red for less in 2011. Peyper just poor.

    • Haz

      Yeah you could say that but England were by far and away the better team.

      Peyper is an atrociously inconsistent ref though. I’m not sure many others would have given just a penalty for Rodda dropping Daly upside down…

      • Pedro

        Yeah, there are many talking points, who the better team was isn’t one of them.

  • sambo6

    So I went to the game with my team from work. One guy is a Russian guy, who’s lived in london for a year, and never seen rugby. Even he said that Australia looked like schoolchildren with the occasional stroke of brilliance.

    • Singapore Sling

      I read your last sentence with a Russian accent….sounded right!

  • sambo6

    2 phases of behind advantage line trackball…then kick……..

    Rinse and repeat……and that’s our game plan

  • Fatflanker

    The 2015 coach of the year…what an all-time con that has proven to be. FFS, what was he thinking with Foley in that backline? And what a motley crew of worthless assistants he has surrounded himself in too – I cannot see a single area of the WB game that has been enhanced by his assistants in the last year. We are relying on fading individual brilliance disguised as a game plan.

    • All we need for 2019 is:
      New coaching panel (won’t happen – too late now – so let’s say the coaching panel is modified – out with Larkham and the forwards [non] coach]; new Captain; and a ‘Money Ball’ team. I.E. Pick the best player per position. Pocock to the open side for sure. If that means Hooper has to play off the bench then so be it. In the past we had THE Great George Smith and an ‘almost’ equally talented Phil Waugh but it was horses for courses. I can’t recall then both being in the same team at the same time. Personally I’d like to see a specialist Inside Centre – Carmichael Hunt or Reccee Hodge with Beale on the bench. Subject though to the rising young stars in the Reds.

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        Mate Smith and Waugh played together a fair bit. The difference was they played their role the number on their back dictated you also had a couple of big hard charging 8’s to compliment them

        • subfreq

          What’s this 8 you speak of. Haven’t seen one of them in years…

        • onlinesideline

          Cliffy Palu ?

        • subfreq

          He was the last great one for sure but faded after the Lions series in 2013.

        • Mica

          Tee Hee.
          Only when he wasn’t having a rest.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          It was a loooong time ago mate

      • Bakkies

        Eddie played Smith and Waugh in the starting side together with Lyons at 8.

    • They could REALLY use Hunt at inside center

      • Old_Laurentian

        And QC at 10!

    • Bernie Chan

      Yeh…got that Coach of the Year gong because of a very lucky RWC semi-final win. Done sweet FA positive since…Our worst year of results ever…
      If Foley ever wears the #12 jersey again then the coach that does that needs to be in a room with padded walls.

    • Simon

      Ironically the Coach of the Year gong probably made it worse. Just reinforced his bias and misplaced confidence in his own abilities.

  • sambo6

    Hey cheika…..its just took me 2 and a half hours to get home from twickenhan…..plus my 115 quid ticket……

    fuck you

  • Deeeeeejay

    I woke up bleary eyed about 20 minutes into the game, and after watching the game and have finally come to the same conclusion that many of you have.

    The wallabies look like they’re trying to score off every phase and I have no idea who is driving the bus on the field. It’s just a mish mish of crap, but the sad thing is the basic skills are not there or are not being demonstrated. It just looks panicked.

    The kicking game is dumb dumb dumb. I didn’t even realise Foley was on the field (was he?). I didn’t mind the hard and straight running by the centres when it happened, and DHP and Folau can turn anyone inside out when given the opportunity, but they’re not given the opportunity.

    Cheika’s Plan of more, and faster is basically spiralling our teams’ reputation downward the same way. The continued refrain of willing minds and poor execution is no longer a satisfactory mode of operation. I think it’s time for new eyes, and as much as I love Bernie as a player, I’m not seeing many positives as an attack coach. GIven his tenure at Brumbies it might a combination of Cheika’s game plan and his own coaching abilities. He did take brumbies through to another couple of finals campaigns but I felt he was just holding the fort after Jake left.

    I disagree on the whole that the talent isn’t there. I think there’s a nucleus there but I think its time now to blood some new talent. As a Brumbies fan, I’d like to see Powell take on a larger role – lots of potential, but still a little rough. But there are any number of players across the super teams who are at least comparable in skill to the current squad. At the very least we should be picking players in their natural positions, so pick the best 8, the best 12, the best 2, and then coach them to work together.

    And kill the stupid defensive coaching which seeks to hide shitty defenders. If you have to do that then there’s the wider question of why that player is in gold in the first place. They’re not the complete package.

  • Hoss

    Hoss player ratings

    1. Sio – 3.5. Complete shit and new nickname ‘Origami’ – folds under pressure
    2. Seaweed – 4. Line out ok, bugger all carries and went missing
    3. Methuselah – 4. Hard to shine when your 1 is a tool
    4. Rodda – 5 solid in line out – minus 1 for being knocked over by a 10’s shoulder – wimp.
    5. Felix – 4.5 shows aggro in push and shove, would be good to see same in general play as well – hence ‘Felix the cat’
    6 Sour mash – 5 ok in D would like to see more carries
    7. Lee Magors 6 was busy but again minus 1 for not sticking it to Peyper over that call. A real captain would have stood his ground
    8. Samu – NA, did he actually play ?
    9 Sanchez – 3, was pure shit in his 100th, pure, utter, undiluted faeces.
    10. Two-cows 2.5. It must be that jersey, all who wear it seem to turn into complete shit
    11 Maddocks 5.5. Everything this kid goes has class written all over it. Of course you’d replace him at half time…….
    12. Spanners. 1.5, what more can I say

    • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

      To me that match seemed like a team that had given up. It reminded me of the first half against Argentina. I’m not sure ratings are even really relevant for a match like this, as the collective performance just seems to be reflective of a team that has lost it.

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      4 is spot on. What sort of a limp wristed lock gets knocked over by a 10 shoulder charge. Pretty much sums up this team at the moment

      • onlinesideline

        and with a full head of steam too. What an absolute joke. The English commentator noticed the Walaby mascot puppet thing get soaked on the sideline and said that even their mascot is soft. We really are a joke.

        • mark conley

          then why haven’t you been selected?

        • Custard Taht

          He isn’t a Waratah.

        • onlinesideline

          too fat

        • mark conley

          lol, yep, i’m back to my playing weight; only thing i’ve lost a lot of muscle

      • Geoffro

        Thats why he used an illegal tackle because he couldn’t have stopped him otherwise.Pen try and yellow all day long.Problem was the crowd didn’t boo so Peyper wimped out.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Mate I agree but still pretty wimpy for a lock

        • Geoffro

          Well,Rodda looked pretty surprised himself.I thought he played OK though.Coleman is the wimp to me.

        • mark conley

          he still must be carrying as he ain’t the man he was; still remember a couple of hit-ups from him at PACE from NOT a flat position

        • Geoffro

          Definitely but he seems to have gone a bit gun shy.

        • Brumby Runner

          Can’t agree KRL. Rodda was clearly off balance when hit by Farrell and just fell sideways. Farrell otoh was knocked 2 – 3 metres into the in-goal area. I know who felt the full force of that collision.

        • Greg

          imagine if he had used his arms and held on to the player?

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Mate it’s a bit tongue in cheek as it is all about timing. I just think Rodda could have set himself up better in the contact

        • Greg

          only just watched the replay and was looking for your comment on that shoulder.

          wtf…. how can that be OK. He took the same dive as last time to try and cover it.I hope he is cited.

          Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice…..

          Was it a game changer? Maybe.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Mate don’t get me wrong that was a yellow card and penalty try all the way. A very poor decision..

        • Bernie Chan

          BTW…can anyone wit Refereeing experience rationalize what Peyper said…ie the attacking player also dropped his shoulder, so it wasn’t a penalty. Never ever heard that reason used to deny a penalty. Don’t know why Cheika says we were denied 3 tries…the DHP pass was forward. Excuses, excuses…

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          It’s a bullshit excuse for a very poor decision. Penalty try and YC every day of the week

        • Bernie Chan

          I haven’t seen where WR holds Referees accountable for poor decisions like this….everyone on the pitch makes mistakes, but this seems glaring. It’s wrong on so many counts…if attacking players are going to get pinged for using their shoulders, then it becomes ‘touch’ rugby…Surely RA has to lodge some form of complaint…?

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          His game will be reviewed by World Rugby and the decision will be covered. The real issue here is that there’s no transparency in how this is managed and I think this is wrong. I believe referees need to be more accountable and this will start with more transparency over their reviews.
          He’ll learn from this

        • Custard Taht

          Perhaps if Rodda, Coleman and pretty much every other Wallaby impersonating a foward had a lower body height in contact, he would have gone straight over.

          But when you run into contact like an erect penis, no surprises you end up on your arse.

        • Geoffro

          Sure,but they train these giraffes to rise in the lineout ,push scrums, tackle and clean rucks not to be burrowing over the tryline.They most always look a bit startled and upright when they get in the clear

        • Custard Taht

          They do indeed, by why is it we are the only tier 1 nation whose forwards are unable to enter contact with a low body height. This shit is Rugby 101.
          If we figure that out, we will probably also answer why our fowards are incapable of running onto to the ball, instead of standing flat footed behind the gain line when they receive it.

        • Geoffro

          No surprse, the whole team is failing at the basics except a very few.

        • jamie

          I feel like there’s a dirty joke in your last sentence somewhere…

      • Patrick

        KL I played AFL a bit (badly, Il’l admit) and there is no doubt you can shoulder charge someone a lot bigger than you if you driving through it and they aren’t set for the hit.

        There’s a reason certain of your countrymen were aiming for Pocock with their shoulder only all last match.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          I know timing and everything mate. But he should have got through that if he’d positioned himself right. Yeah we’re all cheats it’s the only way we win

        • Patrick

          I agree he should have got through it- body height has been a problem all year. Which is utterly mystifying because I’m sure I remember being taught about that in U16s.

          Don’t worry I don’t think that all of you are cheats all of the time ;)

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Hahahaha fair enough. I call it being smart enough to play to the referee

        • Patrick

          In principle me too but I did think there were a few pretty borderline hits on Pocock last game. Almost makes me wish he was a lesser man and could just raise an elbow from time to time, but really I’m glad he isn’t. Certainly does make me wish that his teammates would hit the breakdown a bit harder so he wasn’t doing it all alone!!

    • Brumby Runner

      Overall, that team performance would barely rate a 3. But I think you are harsh on Toomua and lenient on Folau.

      Toomua’s kicking was as atrocious as the customary games at 10 from either Foley or Beale, but surely now it must be the case that kicking the skin off the ball is part of the game plan. The evidence is that it doesn’t matter whoever is wearing the 10 jersey, he is the nominated kicker in general play and for goal. It is the magic number apparently in Cheika’s insane world. Remember how many times we were calling for Hodge to be given the kicking duties when Foley played 10? But, no – the 10 must be the primary kicker.

      Apart from his poor kicking, Toomua actually offered the quite a bit to the misfiring attack by running straight and trying to set up the outside backs. I’d give him a 5.

      Izzy’s best position is 15 and he puts in his best games when playing there, But he is som limited in his range of skills that he really doesn’t warrant selection at all. His first half try was exceptional but otherwise his involvements were very ordinary. Even his last try was the result of a fine piece of attacking play from Sauce, and anyone in the same spot as Izzy would have scored the try. So no more than a 3.

      I agree with the 0 for Pete Samu. Only time I noticed him was when he was being shrugged off in tackles.

      #sackcheikanow.

      • mark conley

        got to rate this post an 8
        have to add you to my xmas card list

    • Keith Butler

      Just watched the game. Farrell should have been YC’d and a penalty try awarded. Not sure if it would have changed the game though. Sauce try definitely forward by a good metre. What is it with Izzy? Brilliant try and then appears to be coasting. Made no effort to even get close to SD players when they scored in the 2nd half. Other ratings harsh but fair.

      • onlinesideline

        Told ya mate +20 points – easily. Best Pommy side I’ve ever seen by a running mile. Best Irish side Ive ever seen too. You have some good times ahead. Eddy has done wonders. Will be hard to beat for a good couple of years at least. We on the other hand …. will take a decade to forget these last 3 years.

        • Keith Butler

          Cheers. The jury is still out for me. Will be interesting when all the injured players return. EJ should have a decent squad by RWC time. For one brief moment the England midfield was Farrell, T’eo and Tuilagi. I shuddered but I’m sure EJs eyes lit up. The death of running rugby personified.

      • Hoss

        I nearly got on the FF’s to cause an upset mate. Paying $21 for a win.

        Bugger

        • Keith Butler

          Tough luck Hoss you win some you lose some.

        • mark conley

          did you take the $1.34 england!!!
          alas by the time the neddies had finished with me i only had $5.40 ($5) to wager on them and weep

        • Hoss

          No mate, but had the Northern Kiwis at 1-12 win over the Saffas so came out just ahead.

        • Geoffro

          Nicely played mate you hedged your heart bet with your head.SA are nearly as disjointed as we are so good call.

    • laurence king

      The only good thing about last nights game for me was that the local towers were down and I had no television and no computer, therefore I slept.

    • st saens

      To Hoss, KRL and OLSL
      I usually agree with almost all your posts, but I think you are being unfair to Rodda on that non try. (btw I think we have several good locks coming along, and despite a positive comment I made about Rodda on GAGR last week, I think he is just one of the several)
      I just rewatched the Farrell shoulder charge 20 times over from different angles and with the pause button…IMHO Rodda was slightly off balance after stepping out of the English 3’s attempted tackle. His core was slightly to the right of his base and he was trying to regain balance when Farrell’s shoulder hit him from the left. He is a tall man….I don’t think even Retalick or Etzebeth could have stayed upright in that scenario.

      • Brumby Runner

        Exactly.

        • mark conley

          exactly ‘Exactly’

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        Mate I’d agree he got blind sided and was in a poor position when he was hit. I was being a bit tongue in cheek with that comment but I also think he should have seen it coming and set himself up better for the hit. I would have been embarrassed if that had happened to me when I was playing and I was a 7

      • onlinesideline

        I see where you are coming from. Ive watched a number of times also. He was definitely off balance and he is tall with a big stride which makes him vunerable bit like a baby giraffe. I dont agree for one second that Etzerbeth would bounce like that though. Simply by compaing Rodda with Etzereth re their impact when taking it forward in general play. Etzerbeth smashes blokes and big blokes, 3 or 4 at a time and can send blokes flying. I have never seen Rodda do that. On that basis for mine he would never fold like that. Not a chance in hell. Rodda has skills but he is no enforcer and wouldnt make lock for any other top 7-9 teams. To be world beaters we need better. He is average gain line driver at best.

    • A Dingo Stole My Rugby

      My message to Cheika, on behalf of Hoss and anyone else who cares to put their name to it… https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b0af8b48897e607b2e7190d3953071162a1ce71662ce0f7e11c194f07f02db4a.png

    • mark conley

      Like half the rugby world love your posts but would you please include and index? indicating which players correspond with which ‘names'; it was easy in this post obviously but i have memory recall issues and i really don’t know who posters are referring to with these transitory nicknames, thanks

  • Scott L

    Senior players are shielded by backended contracts and they know the coach can’t hand pick younger inexperienced players, because the ARU is running a closed shop. As an example, ACC gets a recall instead of a new kid getting a chance to shine. But when the wooden spoon was up for grabs in Argentina, Cheika found a way to wake these old hacks up at half time, reminding them to make one on one tackles, not to kick the ball away, not to throw forward passes, not to drop the ball, and to throw in straight. On the last point, he started the second half in Argentina with a new front row. I predict a pool game in the RWC, where the winner goes thru, and the Wallabies go home, but I won’t blame Cheika. The ARU gave him undisciplined overpaid footy players..

    • ozrugbynut

      nice post. We will never know precisely the set of conditions Cheika is working under so for that reason there is some benefit of the doubt for him, but the results are too clear to ignore. Hoopers 5 year deal was a disgrace. I’m not sure in AACs case that blooding new talent in the year before the world cup would be the right thing and I can see how he would add some value in the same way Gits did at the last WC imo.

  • Andy

    Didn’t see the game. But noticed the score line and not surprised at all. Especially the amount of points against.

    I know they can’t afford to sack Cheika but surely Nathan Grey has to go.

    • ozrugbynut

      grey definitely first in line as there is a clear track record of non-performance by every measure, a little harder to determine larkhams accountability in my view. cant see at all what value mick byrne adds and the new forwards coach arrival appears to coincide with a decline in the scrum.

      • laurence king

        The defense structure is because Cheika picks certain players who are poor defenders, so they both have to go.

      • laurence king

        The defense structure is because Cheika picks certain players who are poor defenders, so they both have to go.

    • MCOD

      Hi Andy I’ve just finished watching a replay and I have to say Cheika also needs to leave. Ive given him the benefit of the doubt over the last 18 months or so but watching that was a complete shambles from the get go. There is no system. The players literally do not know what they are meant to be doing on that pitch and it’s painful to watch. Imagine what Schmidt would do to this playing group. There is talent aplenty but no discernible cohesion or plan or system or coaching. Hence the panic passes, forced plays,aimless kicking and desperate scrambling defence. Not sure I can take another image of Genia being rounded as the “sweeper” / human traffic cone. How exactly will they improve between now and the WC without major overhauling?

      • Andy

        I agree. He has to go and I too was ok with giving him time in the role. I though he was great for the tahs (long suffering fan here) as was McKenzie but the regression of our game over the last 2 years has been amazingly bad. Sure, he has things going against him that being mostly how badly the game is managed in Australia and how players at the provincial level are not bettering their game at all. But when it comes to selections, team tactics, staff appointments and most importantly, outcomes he has failed miserably.

        I agree we have decent enough players to compete with 2nd to 8th. If I’m being honest our playing pool of talent probably sits around 4 or 5 in the world but we have the benefit of playing nz players more than anyone. As such we should be doing a lot better.

  • Old_Laurentian

    What do we think of Eddie Jones’ “”free advice” to RA after the game?

    • Old_Laurentian

      If you haven’t seen it..

      “You can criticise a coach but if your system is not right then you have to look at the system and if I was involved in Australian rugby and I am not, you cannot have two of you biggest provinces bankrupt and still having all the control in the game,” he said.

      “With Ireland and New Zealand – particularly with Ireland – if you have a centralised system for a small player pool you can be a very good team and consistent and Australia doesn’t have that and that is what they need and that advice is for free.”

      • Spot on. Australia might be large but has a small player pool – four teams just like Ireland. It won’t happen because of dumb Randwick/club/state pride, but it’s the underlying reason for Australia spiraling down. The world is getting better and more organized, and we are operating on a 1994 “she’ll be right mate” structure.

      • Alister Smith

        I think he has identified the major long term problem with the game – and we might get better Wallabies coaches but until that issue that he has identified is fixed then any success will be Bukit on sand and short lived at best

      • voodoo economics

        It seems rugby admin at all levels in this country is crook. Run by a bunch of overpaid under skilled, arrogant bunch of tossers. To stupid to to admit and learn from there mistakes they have done their best to destroy a fine game with a proud tradition and managed to alienate even the most hard core fans. I have never ever not supported a Queensland side in any sport in my entire life being born and bred in the state. However next year my interest will be only be tweaked by the Rebels. To be honest I haven’t really been supporting the Wallabies since 2014 as the whole Link thing just reeked of self interest and cover up. Sad Sad indeed.

        • Old_Laurentian

          My feelings exactly.

      • Andrew Luscombe

        For a centralised system to work well it needs to be controlled by the best people. Who here thinks giving the current mob at the top more control would result in an improvement?

        • Geoffro

          Who else has the power or balls (sorry Raelene) to make a hard decision like say sacking Cheika and crew and implementing broad changes.If they can’t make that call who can ? I don’t think it’s a question of power more one of unification amongst the top dogs.Typical of corporations every executive is watching his own back usually to the detriment of the stakeholders.

  • Hills boy

    Go on guys man up and say it, “Robbie we were wrong, come back you weren’t so bad after all!. Australian Rugby was the problem not you!”.
    Australian rugby has structural problems that have been evident for years, fix the grass roots first. The old boys network is holding it back, get out into schools and clubs all around, not just areas of privilege in Sydney and Queensland.

    • Ad Tastic

      Robbie suffered from his fair share of unwarranted criticism but he made plenty of howlers too. By the end of it, he was put out of his misery and it was best for all concerned.

      • Fatflanker

        As I recall most of the criticism of Robbie came from over the ditch, actually. Fair point though.

  • Ad Tastic

    By any metric, England are in a different league to Australia and this result is nothing more than confirmation of that. In fact, if we played their full team, I wouldn’t be surprised if they put 50 on us.

    We can complain about selections, coaching and players. All of these have changed over the past 20 years but the game has only been heading in 1 direction in this country.

    The only hope I see is a country like Ireland. If they can have a world beating team then we can to. But the game will have to be gutted and restructured in Australia. Australian rugby has continued to be run like it was in the amateur era. Petty political factions and a lack of vision and purpose are what’s brought the Wallabies to this point.

    Unfortunately there is still life in the old dogs. It will have to get a lot worse before it gets better.

    • Andrew Luscombe

      They seem to be playing better with their B team. Probably lucky to have so many injuries and effectively replacing last year’s team, which Eddie had going downhill fast.

  • Nicholas Wasiliev

    I can’t fault the team. They tried their best. There is a team capable of great things. I believe it, somehow after this shit show of a year.

    But this current trend cannot continue. There has to be somebody accountable. I’m tired of being disappointed in the game I love so much. I’m so tired of mismanagement, competing egos and a genuine lack at the top to work together for the good of the game.

    I hope everyone in the team has a good break. It’s been such a negative environment in camp by all accounts, so I think the chance to get away from the game for a bit might be needed.

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Mate while there might be team capable of great things, it’s not this team with the protected players, piss poor coaching and failed tactics

    • Alister Smith

      I would be interested to have seen just how one positional change might have worked with Foley at 10 and To’omua at 12 – I know Foley is incomplete but he is clearly a better 10 then 12 and Toomua has experience and much more robust defense. I agree the team need a rest – we probably all need a bex and a lie down after the season that is gone – go the wallabies in 2019!!!!!

      • Parker

        The only position for Foley is out of the squad.

    • Brisneyland Local

      I am tired of a lack of integrity from a coach, and A captain who cant spelt it let alone demonstrate it!

      • Bernie Chan

        BL, at least the Fiji win over France provided some rugby cheer…that is a massive result.

        • Brisneyland Local

          YEah I watched that game. What a stunning win. Go Fiji.

      • Alister Smith

        Slightly ironic as you misspelled spell as spelt ;) f@&$ing autocorrect probably

        • Brisneyland Local

          Yep! I hate autocorrect.

        • Funk

          Can’t you get your PA to proof read your rants before posting???:)

        • Brisneyland Local

          I wish! She wont touch anything to do with rugby. Being a Saffa her dad and brothers were rugby rugby rugby. Now she has to endure me!

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        Spell

        • Brisneyland Local

          Autocorrect

  • Geoffro

    So,two of our upcoming RWC pool opponents racked up wins against solid opposition and are improving (notwithstanding Fiji’s horror show against the Scots).If we dont have a cleanout now it looks like curtains in Japan next year.Cheika should fall on his sword,it’d be an honourable thing he must realise.He’s got a long flight home to think about it.I’d put an SOS to White if he does I reckon he’d relish the opportunity.to go to another WC

  • Roachie

    Let’s not forget Farrell is 6ft 1inch and weighs nearly 100kg, so no surprises his shoulder makes an impact, that said it was a yellow all day.

    Obviously Chieka has lost the plot, but it is all a little academic without a world class 8 or 10 anywhere in the country at the moment. Mind you that’s not an excuse for not getting the other 13 positions right!!

    • onlinesideline

      to a guy who is 6 foot 7 and 120 kg and running full speed that should be like playing footy with your neices.

      • Greg

        not the point.

        Any legal tackle would have seen a try scored.

        I agree with a few posters….one day he will be called and could end up with a long rets.

        • onlinesideline

          yeah it was a yellow for sure but you telling me the kiwi locks wouldnt have found a way over the line despite the shoulder?

  • Keith Butler

    Here’s one for conspiracy theorists. Sauce’s try should have stood. The pass was forward but was not picked up by the officials and the TMO was not asked. Only happened after it was shown on the big screens at the ground by the tv companies and not therefore part of the official process.

    • Brisneyland Local

      Jake White said he would take the role. And I would have Jake Ball of the Ass clown!
      Anyday and twice on Sundays!

      • Geoffro

        Has White put his hand up ?? Be mad not to use him in some sort of capacity.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Yes. He has publicly stated in the last 2 weeks that he would take the role.

    • Old_Laurentian

      Not too late. Inevitable in my humble opinion. And I hear Knuckes is available.

  • I Should be Coach

    Everyone – please stop with the criticism. The boys really trained well this week. Let’s not forget this.

    • Geoffro

      If I hear that one more time I think I’ll strangle myself :)).I don’t care if they train at the pub as long as they can put it together on gameday.

      • I Should be Coach

        Makes you sick didn’t it.

    • Bernie Chan

      Gave the scrum machine a thorough workout…Kicked the cover off the balls too…

      • I Should be Coach

        Well it’s obvious that the tackle bags didn’t make it on the flight over.

        • Bernie Chan

          No one wanted to hold them…

    • Human

      …and they are really hurting.

      • Geoffro

        Fiji v France presser: ‘Coach Jacques Brunel claimed there were only negatives from his side’s eighth defeat in 11 game this year.
        “It’s a big disappointment. It’s difficult for me to find anything positive from tonight,” the 64-year-old said.
        England v Aus presser:“England were the better team and had us under pressure for a long time but we defended well,” said Cheika. Then goes on to rant about the ref.
        He really needs a good kick up the backside.

  • Bernie Chan

    Meanwhile, Peter Fitzsimmons thinks it was “an outrageous betrayal….” for AAC and Beale to be referred to the coach. So it is OK in his eyes as it was only a minor breach and nothing untoward happened…? Rules don’t apply for some…? Good on Liz Ellis for taking a counter view, that either the rules need to be followed by everyone, or the rules need to be changed.

  • HK Red

    The other thing about the Beale / AAC party night, how bloody big are the rooms these guys are being put up in?? Given that there’s bound to be kit bags and other paraphernalia around the room taking up space , yet you can comfortably fit five adults for a few hours for food and drinks?? Maybe RA could do a review of the accommodation budget for the Wallabies. Reckon they’d save a bundle by giving these over pampered blokes a reality check and booking them into any local motel instead.

  • Greg

    Well there we go. The last game of a very disappointing season.

    The thing I find so tough is that that there seem to be obvious improvements that can be made in skills, tactics and selections.

    Firstly, I have no doubt at all that the players are giving it everything they have (a few disinterested periods notwithstanding) but…..

    Foley -> super rugby
    Beale -> super rugby
    Hannigan -> school of hard knocks
    Don’t drop the pill
    Take the ball to ground rather than throw the hail mary which is intercepted
    Straighten the attack (this is starting to happen)
    Play people in positions – best 7 is 7, best 12 is 12…
    You tackle in position or you go and learn to tackle
    Need to change captain
    Gordon and Bastards – give them a run

    I am not a coach…. but these things have to be worth a try.

    No doubt we will be chatting over the next days but just in case… all the best to the regular correspondents and contributors. the articles each day are much enjoyed. The analysis/rants/vents are always fun and usually have some pretty sound thoughts contained in them. A special cheerio to Trevor.

  • Wonder whether the citing commissioner will review the Owen Farrell (non) shoulder charge! Clearly both Jaco Peyper and Owne Farrel are big fans of Billy Slatter in the NRL. In fact Farrel could run the same defence argument – No Intention to [non] shoulder charge and get away with it!

    • Geoffro

      Hopefully,Peyper deserves a bit of a hit to the ego.I don’t blame Farrell so much as in the heat of the battle there’s brain explosions but Peyper had the opportunity to review it in time and made a bullshit decision.

    • bruce bendall

      What about the tip tackle?

      • adastra32

        Answer came there none. Cognitive dissonance at work.

  • Larry Jorgensen

    So now I have another reason to justify my extreme dislike of Owen Farrell. His day will come and I sincerely hope that it is at a critical moment in a do or die match against us.

    Who the fuck is that pompous ankle providing colour commentary for the UK feed? His day is also in my diary.

    Despite our failings this year, I maintain a burning, painful commitment to the team.

    • Geoffro

      It’s good to bleed green and gold but think we’ll all be lining up for transfusions before too long.

    • the balkan

      He got yellowed for a dangerous tackle in a WC loss to Australia. Surely his day already came from your perspective?

  • Larry Jorgensen

    And something to ponder re supporting runners and linking to them.

    https://www.instagram.com/p/Bqk2JogFltq/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=rb8mls20tckb

  • jamie

    I’m not sure if it’s me growing to be more cynical and miserable at the ripe old age of 21, but I have almost entirely lost interest in the wallabies. For 10 years I’ve watched every wallaby game, be it if I’m overseas, hungover, out, away, on a date, drunk, camping or whatever. I’ve gotten up at 1.30am in the bush to drive an hour to a pub that was staying open for a wallaby game, to then drive back before sunrise. I’ve missed mates birthday speeches at because around 10 o’clock is when they always happen, right towards the end of the game. However, this year, I’ve probably watched 3 live (rest replays) – Including the Ireland game at AAMI Park that was just horrendous.

    I’m sure there’s a few that’ll just tell me I’m a fairweather fan and I’m not a true wallaby supporter or something, but i just have lost interest. It’s not the consistent losses that hurt. It’s the fact we have devolved. Cheika loves the wallabies for sure, but he doesn’t love them enough to change, or resign. He’s not an unintelligent man and yet his tactics and his behaviour is just dumb.

    And the players. I’ll always be a little bit gay for Pocock, but the other players out there just don’t seem to give a shit. They still get paid when they lose, and I can’t be expecting them to win every game, but I don’t want them to. I just want them to show some heart, and some brains. Australia was never a nation renowned for its kicking, or its power plays, or its scrum. We were smart. Even when we were on top we played like underdogs.

    The brand of rugby we play has no real purpose, no real motivation behind it, no flexibility, and importantly, no soul or identity. We know how the other nations play. Their basic game plan has always remained somewhat consistent. But ours? If i were an opposition coach I couldn’t begin to say what the wallabies strengths and threats are. We pick players based on past performances or promise – half cooked players like foley and Beale that sit in the hottest defensive channels with no tackle ability between them. Hooper is a great rugby player: he is not a great flanker or ruck pest. Izzy is a great finisher and is brilliant in space or 1 on 1, but not a great player. Kerevi is incredible on attack and a great tackler, but lacks the vision required to sit at 13 and defend: especially when foley of all people is inside him

    I know a lot of this may be nonsensical and doesn’t follow any structure, but I am well and truly disillusioned with how the wallabies perform. I rarely comment on here anymore, as I have lost interest – not in you guys, your contributions are always a good read – but in the players and the performances of the wallabies. They just don’t bleed canary yellow like they used to.

  • Human

    The first England try proves, again, that Maddocks is not a winger….stranded in no-man’s land; eyes in, he left all the options open for Youngs.
    The third England try showed that Sauce is not a winger nor a frontline defender, stranded in no-man’s land he allowed Cokasinga the space to get inside…the dreadful tackle technique helped England.
    The fourth England try showed one of Hooper’s consistent failings combined with Grey’s poor system….rushing out of the line leaving a hole the size of the Super Pit for Farrell to stroll through.
    I did not see the second try.
    All the England tries showed why genuine pace should be non-negotiable in any representative team. Every English back, except maybe Youngs, is quicker than the fastest Wallaby.
    Depressing.

    • Geoffro

      Our best centre is slow as a wet week as well and not the greatest defender….I s’pose he’ll probably feature on the wing at some stage

      • joy

        He’d make a great hooker.

    • joy

      Except it wasn’t Maddock. It was DHP.

      • Human

        My recollection has Maddocks on the left, Sauce on the right…regardless, neither is a winger.
        Having faster times than the opposition is not a lot of use if you are sitting in the stand. I know a dozen 17 yo’s with faster times than all of them but they aren’t playing so it means nothing.

        • Brumby Runner

          Maddocks spent most of the night defending in the 13 spot, even when it involved a 40m run to the other side of the field. Early in the game with England hot on attack, Kerevi who was standing on the left wing had to tell a perplexed Maddocks to get to the other side of the field to defend the 13 spot. He didn’t do a good job of it, but most blame for defensive errors must be placed at Grey’s doorstep, not necessarily the player who has run double the distance he would be required to if everyone defended in their own spots.

        • joy

          Maddox switched to the open side as Kerevi moved to the blind as the scrum was set.

          Your original comment that speed on the wing is not negotiable is in my view correct. Your assertion that we don’t have it available is not. Every English back is slower than Wallabies Koroibete and Naivalu who both appeared on the field. DHP was a starter simply because he’s good under high ball and can kick. Ditto Maddox to a lesser degree.

        • Human

          Apologies, I saw DHP as Maddocks, incorrectly. I did not say that we do not have pace available…there are several quick players in Australia including Koro, Naivalu and Banks…however they are used sparingly or not at all and usually as an afterthought. Cheika does not seem to value speed. I did not see Koro or Naivalu on Saturday…Must have nodded off by the time they appeared.

  • Nutta

    Hello Fellow Trojans

    High Points:
    * Lineout worked well after being dysfunctional for quite a while.
    * And when our pods were actually moving forward they made ground.
    * Dempsey had a good game I thought as did Sio.
    * Folau seemed to wake up a bit but still isn’t back to consistently beating the first defender.

    Low Points:
    * The scrum work embarrassed me. For a scrum led by Sinker of the TH side to out-scrum us was a return to the dark-days.
    * Kicking was poor. Aimless and too easy to recover from. It’s not smart, pro-active kicking. Rather it’s ‘Shit I’ve run out of ideas’ kicking. Eat Sleep Rave Repeat.
    * We have to own or at least have parity at the contact zone. Too often we were muscled off ball.
    * I thought Samu was a bit anonymous and expected him to have a bigger impact.
    * By God we missed Pocock.

    General Comments:
    * 2 – arguably 3 – tries denied versus an opponent like England will always make life hard.
    * Gifting a team like England the opportunity we did at the 1min mark will always make it harder
    * This is an immature group, poorly led, who consistently lose games in the 50-70min gap. The attempt to bring older, wiser heads into the group has been farcical – the wise one got barred for stupidity. How apt.
    * Owen Farrell – we cannot blame that decision for costing us a game. But any idiot knows that a penalty try and the Capt getting 10min in the Bin at that point of a game changes things immensely.

    Closing Comments:
    * Despite not being a fan of his Captaincy, well done Hooper on the handling of the live interview by the shit-stirrer after the game. Good job there.
    * Regarding Cheks – the same squad doing the same shite for the umpteenth time – and we expected what exactly? An unprepared opponent? The ONLY thing that changed was that our lineout actually worked.
    * The same simply must be said for Larkham on-top of the fact he was shoe-horned into a job doing swt-fk-all in terms of apprenticeship. The Golden Child has not delivered.
    * Who exactly is the forwards coach? What the fk has he been doing?
    * The embarrassing debacle that is RA must own their share in this. Whilst the players played poorly, I actually blame the people who refuse to broaden the base, who value gym stats over players, who refuse to hold fkn anyone accountable for anything, who picked them, groomed them and put them forward as the flower of Oz Rugby talent pool. My Da used to say ‘Don’t be surprised when a sheep grows wool Boy.’ Yeh well, this mob just produced the fleece we expected.
    * Congratulations England. Well won.

    Oh yeh – I forgot. I heard over the weekend that Beale has been resigned. Anyone know details?

    • Fatflanker

      Screaming shame Thor wasn’t available against England, yet again, but the WB scrummaging has been deteriorating at a great rate of knots since the departure of Mario. The new bloke has been hopeless. The scrum had been the only area of improvement we’ve actually seen under Cheika and now we are back to square one with our set-piece reputation again in tatters, just before a RWC.

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