Exposed, out-muscled, out of contention: where next?

Roscoe Tims September 19, 2011 66

No GravatarThere’s no getting around it, the soft underbelly of Australian forward play was again exposed on Saturday night.

How many times now over the past few years have we had to suffer these feelings of inadequacy as our set piece fails? How often do we actually win the physical battle? Where has our intensity gone when we have to perform on the big stage?

A Tri Nations trophy win — weren’t we becoming more mature and playing with consistency? Or was this Tri Nations victory a mirage with a weakened competition, an underdone Springboks side and a jet-lagged All Blacks combo?

It’s usually the All Blacks who have done the most damage to us over the years but lately it’s been the Poms, Scots, Samoans and now Paddy McGinty’s goat kicking our arse.

You’ve got to give the Irish their due, they showed the maturity we all thought the Wallabies had. They played with craic, with purpose and employed the right tactics for the conditions.

We were out-coached by a canny quartet of experienced rugby blokes — steak and Kidney, the Gaffer, the long Kiss goodnight and the Feek will inherit the earth….

Robbie Deans is now defending his (and fellow selectors’) ridiculous decision to not take a backup specialist No. 7 to this RWC. It just doesn’t cut the mustard with me Robbie, nor with most rugby people. I’ve said it before but this was an out-and-out piss-poor decision. Pocock has a history of injury — it’s how he plays the game. It’s not McCalman’s fault, he’s not a specialist openside. It’s Deans’s fault and we’re stuck with it.

The only way of getting Hodgson or Robinson over is to ditch someone who’s injured. Heavens above, it couldn’t be Digby could it?

I know we selected some injured players who are returning to full fitness but I can probably understand why that was — depth, or lack of to be precise.

That’s also been exposed with TPN but maybe not too much choice with that one. Squeaky Moore was missed more than anyone would have predicted.

You also can’t blame QC or the backs for this schemozzle. They just didn’t get adequate front-foot ball to conjure up any momentum. We defended stoutly but the Irish threw us off our game plan through tenacity and willpower.

The media are focussing on scrum and loose forward inadequacies. Yeah, they’re right. Our loosies had to play it a bit tight. They made plenty of tackles but not many carries as such and couldn’t range out wide.

They were outplayed by their opposites because the Paddy tight forwards were more effective, allowing their loosies more licence.

All the negatives added up for the Wallabies: 18 turnovers to 12, scrum pressure from poor lineout throws (including penalties), maul turnovers, scrum penalties per se — it all points to disorganisation and disruption.

The Irish forwards were just magnificent in contact, scrum and in the loose. It was as if we had vacated the field.

Does this result put us out of contention for the RWC? You bet it does. Now that we’re likely pushed into the Southern Hemisphere side of the draw it will be virtually impossible to defeat the Springboks, All Blacks and maybe England on consecutive weekends, if that’s how it plays out.

Sure, occasionally we can conjure up a victory by stealth, surprise or even latent talent, but a seemingly callow and inconsistent Wallabies squad doesn’t realistically have much of a show. My longstanding 100 bucks bet on the ABs is safe I reckon?

OK, so you just don’t give up. What can we do to give us more of a chance (however remote) of stopping the bleeding and getting into the final?

Not much, I would think. Are there any players or combinations that could do better? First up, it would be advantageous to have the missing players back. Moore and Pocock are blokes that we just can’t do without (Digby later).

The reality in tournaments like this is that you’ve just got to rely on your depth. Ours has been found wanting through a variety of circumstances.

I’m expecting some mixing and matching against the USA and Russia to give everyone some game-time. I’m not totally convinced about our midfield. Sure, great defensively but it might need more oomph on attack.

Now that AAC is back into some sort of form, maybe a return to outside centre is the go? Drew back after a couple of warm-ups against USA and Russia.

Berrick Barnes should also come into contention but you’d be hard pressed to think that McCabe will get the chop after Deans has invested time and effort into him. Forget Horne — another one short of a gallop.

In the forwards, where the problem actually lies, there aren’t too many options to choose from. If Pocock is still unavailable do you try Higgers at No. 7? Slipper for one of the props — is that an improvement? Simmo or Sharpie for Vickerman? How does that affect the scrummage?

Robbie’s favourite — Ma’afu? Oh my God!!!!! We’re doomed….

Discussion »

  • Fatso

    The real problem is that we have a very inexperienced team and with inexperience comes inconsistency and an inability to respond to adverse circumstances.
    Why would selectors pick a squad with almost no RWC experience and not much test experience. The players individually gave 100% and the Ireland result was not their fault. Who can expect an apprentice to produce similar or better work than an experienced tradesman.
    The ARU pays the coaches, selectors and O’Neil to get results. The selections which led to this appalling situation are inexcusable. This is just gross incompetence and all involved should be sacked.
    We have the players to win the RWC but too many of them are sitting at home where O’Neil, Deans and co should be. Bring on McKenzie and a new era..

  • fetch

    Ill tell what our problem is.John Oneilllllllllllllllll.

    Ewen Macenkzie wasnt glamourous enough for him, not international enough, not merchant banking enough.Ewen IS THE BLOKE WHO UNEARTHED A BUNCH OF PLAYERS FROM NOWHERE..He was the guy who rediscovered Samo and Vickerman was a pre-Deans obvious..Genia and Cooper were well nurtured at the reds.

    The team just doesnt seem right with me.Deans is a purist and perfectionist and we all know pursuing perfection is like a bell curve – slippery and fat slope down if things dont go to plan.

    What does Kepu draw on when his lungs are bursting ? – his days at Wellsley and memories of Jonah Lomu ?? – for that matter what does Quade draw on when things turn to shit – Carlos spencer and his Tokoroa childhood ? ..I dont know..maybe I am off, maybe I am being cynical, maybe I am friggin depressed bout whole thing, but there seems to be too many components to this team that dont gel – the characters in this drama just all seem so different.

    Is JON a rugby guy ? Can Deans scream his head off at half time and say those fking Kiwi c..ts ..We need some physopaths in the team- maybe that what we should do – have a wallaby pyschopath open day – bring along your criminal history, your phyciatrists report and…Ive losttttt it

    Have you seen how good the Aussie netball team is ? – the Diamonds or something…..georgeous too.

    • james

      phil mooney for wallabies coach, he got digby, quade, higginbotham, horwill and the fingers going – mckenzie just gave them a little starch. – but on a serious note, a super side should snatch him up as an assistant.

    • Scarfman

      Deans likes the calm, cool type of player. Which is why our best back up 7 is sitting at home in Brisbane.

  • MattB

    Good point about our young team not having the composure required.

    Another thing that has niggled me for a while…I would like someone to review all the QC miracle balls he has thrown over the last 12 months, and then see how many of them have resulted in line breaks/tries, as opposed to how many of them really did not make that much difference.
    I am not talking about his sublime long cut out balls, or deft short offloads, but the no-look ‘around the corner’ ones.
    Steve Waugh cut out all horizontal bat shots due to the risk/reward factor, and while I wouldn’t want to see QC’s natural exhuberance crushed, there may be an argument for greater restraint.
    Stats anyone?

    • ’boutbloodytime

      On a similar theme,

      Carlos Spencer was/is an exceptional X-Factor player, but for the Kiwis to win consistently, he had no place in the big games…so they shipped him on…same deal when he played with Northampton…

      QC is a similarly amazing talent, outstanding when we have go forward & it’s no wonder Carlos is his hero…but when the pressure is on, maybe he needs to model himself more on a Barnes style of play, or Bernie or dare I say it Carter…these guys had/have cool heads under pressure & could come up with the goods even when the forwards were being out muscled…

      Isn’t that a coach’s job to encourage expression & temper it with tactical thinking & drills to promote better decision making?

      Robbie Deans keeps going on about the side not adapting & not learning etc…but it’s bloody hard to learn when you’re not being taught effectively…at school we always said that a crap teacher blames their students…

      These guys have the ability…they just need a better ‘teacher’…

  • JDog

    I think you guys are losing sight of what’s important here. It’s more important that the Wallabies made it to the RWC. It’s not about the winning or losing, it’s about the participation in such an auspicious event. It’s something that the players will talk about to their families for the rest of their lives.

    *ducks and runs*

    • http://twitter.com/sportamanda Amanda

      This reminds me of a Robbie Deans interview not long after he took the reins. He said too many blokes just wanted to make the squad, to be the best in the country. He said players should aspire to being the best in the world.

      I ponder this often and wonder if anything much has changed. We have a few world class players – Moore, Pocock, Genia. I think a few more need to set the bar a little higher for themselves, which means, amongst other things, consistency.

    • Graeme

      Like Robbie said they didn’t come there “presuming we’d be successfull” (check out planet-rugby article, the quote is there). He knows it’s all about Rugby Tour, the comradeship, singing a few rugby songs, having a few post-match drinks with the boys, win or lose.

  • AC

    Yes Lance, tough ask.

    My response to a friend who thought it could be a better draw now psychologically. Better??? Are you mad? I just prey Italy knock over the Irish otherwise we have gone from the dream draw to the draw from death.
    Now we have to virtually win the Tri-Nations again only to meet the winner of the six nations and the rest in the final! Sorry, but I’d rather we play Wales in the quarters and then France/Arg in the semis before getting to a big dog. We now have to face the two biggest before getting to the best of the rest (which now due to an easy fucking draw could be England!). Fucking nightmare.

    The fact that France will probably lie down is no bonus, I was counting on Les Blues to be the darkness’ choke facilitator again this cup. Now it is entirely on our shoulders to knock them.

    You think that it will be an advantage psychologically that the WBs now know one loss and we are out? I think the WBs treated the Ireland game as a grand final, we were just outsmarted, outplayed and out coached. I don’t think you can blame complacency though the forwards work rate was down.

    Its official, we aren’t good enough without BAM BAM, Squeeky and Diggers, but Deans fucked up with McCalman – not a seven, Sean Obrien (the best 7 in Europe) pissed all over him. Don’t understand why Robbie didn’t bring a backup fetcher – fucking lunacy. He looks rattled and to be honest, not all together there sometimes. He can spot emerging talent no doubt, but tactically there are serious questions. Remember when we got smashed by (i think) the ABs and he didn’t even use the bench? He looks like a bit of a fiddler when shit is burning – I think the pressure gets to him, internalising type of guy that he is.
    He brings on subs with 8 minutes to go when we are going backwards? WTF? We were very lucky not to concede two tries that game – the scoreline flattered us.

    McCabe is a fine defender but got found out and isolated in attack. It’s not fucking rocket science. Guy predictably runs straight as an arrow into the tackle, usually some distance from immediate forward support. So target him for turnovers, duh. There should have been a tactical reply to that.

    One thing is for sure, if we can find the superhuman willpower, fitness and tactical vision to knock over the three best teams in the tournament in quick succession after that horrible display, meanwhile breaking that Eden Park hoodoo, it will be the greatest Wallaby World Cup victory ever, if not one of THE greatest victory period. I’d love to believe but what a fucking task.

    • Bay35Pablo

      Neither McCabe or Faingaa are great attackers. Defence fine, but attack is last time I checked occasionally needed, and we seemed to lack it against the Paddies even with Genia and QC under pressure.

    • Munkie Magik

      Totally agreed mate.

      Been living in Ireland for last few years (receiving relentless sledging from my Irish mates about that fuckin shambles) and I’d only add one small point – Sean O’Brien isn’t the best 7 in Europe, he’s the best 6 in Europe. The Irish had no 7 on the field either, just the best 6 in Europe out of position and their back-up 6 playing 6. Their only real, top class 7 busted his knee pre-tournie against the Poms. That’s how badly they dominated our loosies.

      And I nearly lost my shit when I heard McCabe and Quade say they weren’t expecting the choke tackles – that’s exactly the tactic the Irish used to smash the Poms to pieces last March. I’ve obviously been watching lots of NH rugby for a few years now and it’s pretty fuckin clear to me that our boys didn’t do even basic homework and thought a bit of fancy Dan Super rugby was all that was required to win. Pretty fucking clueless and totally unforgivable for so-called pros.

      We’re probably buggered this time out – can’t see Wallaby junior 15 getting around Saffa’s after that monstering.

  • PastGlory

    Nice summary Lance!
    Deans knew it could come to this. Having to replace Pocock with McCalman. And he’s stubborn enough to continue with it, whilst the best performed No. 7 in the Super 14 this year, Beau Robinson, sits idle back in Oz (not that he can get a callup unless someone is injured).

    As for the centres, they are ineffective in attack. Barnes and AAC can defend just as well as McCabe and Fangaia, but would offer much more in attack. Time to get that combination going and get Drew Mitchell on the wing (at least while Digby is injured). Drew and Barnes could get their match fitness back in the next couple of games. But I think McCabe is a protected species. Needs to learn to run a little harder and not so upright so that he gets held up in tackles.

  • Janno

    Barnes for McCabe, not only do we need a strong defender, we need a playmaker. Whatever McCabe is doing, it’s simply not working. Let’s just hope his lack of penetration is restricted to the footy field…

    • AC

      Despite being held up twice in the tackle, Pat McCabe was man of the stats on this very site. I think that was a tactical area that should have been accounted for.

      • http://twitter.com/sportamanda Amanda

        Made more tackles than the loosies. Guy would do himself a favor by running at branches rather than tree trunks as a start. That said, I think we need Barnes at 12 desperately. Game control just cannot be neglected.

    • Bay35Pablo

      Barnes is lauded for his defence. Anyone think we’ll lose on defence, and not also pick up in attack, by replacing McCabe with Barnes?

      Anyone?

      Bueller?

      Fear is it won’t happen because McCabe is Deans’ pick. Fark, it’s starting to resemble the Alan Jones game of favourites from the 80s here!!!

  • Who?

    You know the funny thing about our scrummaging woes? Le Fuse predicted it in one of your podcasts earlier in the year, saying that there’d be nights like that one in this world cup, and we needed to take over Palmer for specifically those sort of nights. I know, Palmer wouldn’t have done as much around the breakdown as Benny A, but we needed work in the scrum out there. We needed a better scrummaging TH.

    We also needed Kepu to bend his knees more. And we needed to pack a little closer – Kepu couldn’t reach the opposition TH most of the time, meaning the packs were engaging stretched and hitting down rather than up. Unfortunately, we copped the wrong end of the stick on quite a few guessed decisions (for mine, a lot of the collapses were due to the scrums packing too far apart, therefore engaging on a downward hit, then continuing into the mud), but it’s something we should’ve adapted to (i.e. we should’ve crowded the mark better), and something that we should’ve overcome.

    • GoForGold

      I think the main issue was the Irish TH working the angle back in against Keppu straight off the hit – As soon as his neck bends or the shoulder turns inwards even slightly it’s pretty much all over.

      I also thought he and BA actually did a good job at the scrums but unfortunately the refs don’t really understand the little tricks & nuances involved. Odd that the scrum held up when near the Irish try line? Good job to the Irish front 3 – they did what they are supposed to very well.

      I’m not saying this was the cause in all cases but it seemed to be a pretty consistent theme-anyways that was my take on the fat-bloke end of the field.

    • Robson

      You are absolutely right about Kepu. He relies far too much on his upper body for scrummaging power. He exhibits very little drive from his hips and legs at all and, frankly, that’s where it starts for a front rower.

  • Jay-c

    You know the sad reality fellas- we are one loss away from not making it outa the group stages- we don’t have the luxury of resting or rotating players. We must have our strongest team playing – rack up some cricket scores and get the confidence sky high cause we are gunna need it vs south Africa. Once we hit 50 (points not minutes) then by all means call in the subs. This wc can be won yet but I’d be backing our young fit players to play some record minutes (swaps where needed- palu and Vicks look like they need a rest)
    A team who builds confidence in this way can go onto great things- check your history books a la the bulls v reds a few yrs back

    • Bay35Pablo

      “we are one loss away from not making it outa the group stages”

      It’s the World Cup – it ain’t no cake walk.

      And if we can’t beat both USA and Russia we deserve to go home.

    • redbull

      Cricket scores is the last thing this team needs.

      Tight finishes, struggle to a win over tough defence is the answer. Hopefully USA will provide the niggle and 80 minute defence.

      Big scores will relate to belief that they can “tear any team apart”

      Need to go into the finals with the belief they need to work hard over 80 minutes to win.

    • Garry

      “Once we hit 50 (points”

      Jayc

      That’s the talk that got us into this fine mess.

  • Bobas

    I’m usually a big fan lance, but taking a swipe at Maafu ruins the article,

    He’s probably the least at fault for the ireland loss.

    Him, Chis and Gits have been the scapegoats of Australian rugby, but now they’re not playing and we’re still getting exposed in key areas.

    Who becomes the wipping boy? McMalman or McCabe playing out of position? ANT F for playing like AAC did in 13 at the start of the season?

    Or do we put it down to the simple fact that it was poor tactics in the wet? We didn’t play for field position, we played the wrong type of rugby in the wrong areas of the field, which made bryce lawrences dubious calls even more influential on the scoreboard.

    but in saying that, we can beat the All Blacks, Springbox and England on the trott, and if we don’t, we didn’t deserve to win the cup in the first place.

    And whose to say Ireland will beat Italy anyway, who knows maybe Gower will do his countrymen a favour.

    • Garry

      ” but in saying that, we can beat the All Blacks, Springbox and England on the trott, and if we don’t, we didn’t deserve to win the cup in the first place. ”

      True. But we don’t have great depth in some positions, and a couple of injuries in those tough games could mean curtains. The easier route would have been very beneficial to our cause.

      Que Sera?

      • Bobas

        I don’t think we would have rested our best players in any game bar none and whose to say we’re more likely to get injured against supposedly more difficult opposition?

        retrospectively I could be wrong but so could you be.

        • Garry

          So that is what Robbie was thinking in not selecting a back-up for Pocock. He planned to play him in every game?

          I hope they have plans to use the whole squad so that our best will have time to (recoup and) be at their best. But who knows now?

  • KingofDubai

    I really don’t want us to smash USA. Let’s keep them all guessing and get through this match

    Nothing fancy boys, just smart tough rugby, punching the ball up, quick ruck ball, smart kicking and solid scrum.

    BACK TO BASICS and get back to enjoying being out there

  • Skippy

    Hate to say it but we needed to keep hold of George Smith. And the Wallabies should have done everything to ensure Mortlock was given the chance to stake a claim (aside from the Super 15)… I’m sure a 6 week speed/agility program in camp with the Wallabies may have got him up to speed (maybe not, but we didn’t even try).
    This current Wallaby side would have been far better for the experience of those two players. And Gits.
    Instead we are a young impressionable side. The iphone and blackberry generation whereby Twittering and running a barbershop in the hotel is all the rage.
    As for the whole no back up 7 saga – Ewen McKenzie was spot on when he recently said… the whole Wallaby style of play revolves around a fetcher at 7.

    • Dave

      I see what you’re saying, but I disagree: Giteau was given the chance, and didn’t really offer much against Samoa, a similar scenario to Saturday. His solution was the same in any given situation: run sideways.

      As for Smith, he served us well, let him accrue his superannuation. Hodgson or Robinson are capable replacements for Pocock, why both are watching the RWC on TV puzzles me. That said, it wasn’t just 7 that was the problem, we just had no tight five platform to build on, and no effective counter rucking.

      • Garry

        I bet both are sitting back chuckling (maybe over a beer) right now.

  • Skippy

    I got to say… if you want to be World Champs then you’ve got to be the best team in the world. I don’t agree for one minute with all this ‘easier side of the draw’ rubbish.

    Lets show some more respect to 6 nations teams because the conditions in this WC suit them too a tee and most have experienced, battled hardened line ups with plenty of world class players.
    if we had of beaten ireland… Wales on their day are just as capable of putting us too the sword as anyone. The Welsh scrum destroyed us last time we played remember?

    If we beat Wales then it’s either England or France and both are teams likely to cause us tremendous problems up front in a forwards battle like Ireland did. and if we got through to the final I think we would be so tired and beaten up by the 6 nations side we would have nothing left.

    To be honest although I don’t like the idea of back to back tests against SA and NZ… because our boys are not showing any ability to back up performances with another good performance. But… I think we are better off in many ways playing SA and NZ because we know what too expect and how to beat them and our weaknesses are ‘possibly’ not likely to be as exposed against SA and NZ as they would be against Wales/England and France.

    And then I come back to my opening point. If you are a true WChamp you are the best and that means better than anyone else. Anything can happen from here. NZ could choke in a semi or QF.

    But perhaps I’m just clutching at straws!

    • Robson

      You might be clutching at straws Skippy, but I absolutely agree with your opening sentence. Unfortunately the match that put us out of the running for winner of Pool C was exactly the match that exposed us as being a fraction short on those “best in the world”qualities.

  • Dave

    Here’s the thing: if we were to play France or Argentina in a semi, their tight five will still chew us up and spit us out – especially given how we fared against the Irish. Would that leave us equally as battered and bruised as a semi against the blacks?

    It just seems to me that either route will require us to take on a physical opposition, and will leave us drained, and our prospective opponents will also be taking on some physical teams: the ‘boks are still to play Samoa, and the blacks are yet to face their world cup nemesis which could dramatically change the landscape of the knockout stages.

    We mustn’t lose this in the dressing shed: there’s potentially five matches ahead to win, and while we got a (deserved) kick in the arse on Saturday, we’re still in the tournament and maybe a few bruised egos in the team may consider steadying the fucking ship instead of panicking.

    • Dave

      Hrm, not sure how I slotted the Argies in there… swap with England, same net effect.

      • Skippy

        Spot on mate.

    • Bones

      Dave – my thoughts exactly.

      Bill is just 5 wins away. The first 2 are gimmies. Then SA, who we really have the wood on lately, they have just got nothing in the backs. Then either France or The ABs. Again we have the wood on France, and the ABs in a knockout semi against us will be under HUGE public pressure. Leaves one of England, Ireland or Wales in the final. Of those 3, i am now thinking that the Irish are the most formidable.

      Saturdays game may well hace been a rehearsal for the Final!

      • Lee Enfield

        I think the Wallabies have shown there is no such thing as a gimme. It is that attitude which has got the Wallabies in the mess they are, we are expected to win this, so all we need do is show up.

        • Blinky Bill – Bellingen NSW

          My question is where do we get this wacky attitude from?

          A mean honestly it’s not as if too many outtings has us flogging teams (especially Ireland), so you’d reckon they wouldn’t actually need a reality check.

          Even now, after the loss, people are still referring to it as an ‘upset’ and failing to acknowledge this this is a pretty damn good Irish team, that’s well coached, well disciplined and passionate.

          The Irish always run us close. Why wouldn’t you respect them?

          I just don’t get it!

      • Antony

        ‘They have just got nothing in the backs’

        Did you watch that Fiji game?

      • Robson

        Five wins away from Bill? When did we put four wins together on the trot in the last four years?

        • paul

          Good point it was 2008 all up hill from here

      • what a hoot

        Once again such lack of respect for the other team. Bokke have no backs – do Wallabies have any real forwards? Ireland given no respect (they also have no backs!) but somehow they did not need them to give Wallabies a walloping. Did you watch the Bokke against Fiji – 6 tries. Yes a weaker team but please respect your opposition. Its this lack of respect for the other teams thats grating – Wallabies loose because of the ref or because they played badly – never because the other team outwitted and outplayed them which is definitely what happened against Ireland.

  • bokke

    If it makes you Aussies feel any better, noone in south Africa is thrilled about your loss to the Irish either, if anything we are probably more gutted because we had to pull a rabbit out of our asses just to beat Wales and avoid the Wobblies in the quarter finals and then those clowns lose to Ireland anyway..we are not impressed at all..maybe as a tribute to the Wobblies, respected pundits in the republic have been suggesting that the boks ‘lose’ to samoa in their final match so as to finish second and play Ireland..so we all share your pain from this weekend

    BTW Robbie Deans screwed you guys by leaving Matt giteau at home coz most teams would rather face mccabe than giteau,..but maybe deans knows wat hez doing, only time will tell

  • Hillston hog

    We need to get real.
    Our midfield is about as penetrating as a 9 pint member.
    TPN – needs more game time – but from bench
    Simmons is a year or 2 off being at this level – get sharpie in.
    McCalman has the heart of lion and the impact of a canary – as does hooker fainga.
    Quade is a game winner…….in broken play. A liability in tight matches – get Barnes on.
    Leaving gits at home is like me leaving holly valance in th sack……u just wouldnt do it.
    Dingo……is overhyped and over valued and will ALWAYS be a kiwi at heart.

  • kanguu

    im real upset. still real upset with the result.

    my man quade, i was in pain watching cos he diddnt just get enough help from the others! we all know he can do the magic but the others gotta help him! and they didnt! it makes me so angry!

    we can still win if they all just helped him, and thats what they’ve gotta do now, in the next games, just get the ball and get it to quade and let him do his thing, stop kicking it away with stupid little kicks, beale! just give the ball back to quade! we can still so do it but just gotta get things going again!

    • Muffy

      At first I thought you were serious, but after reading this five times, I realise that this is a very clever piece of satire.

  • Pedro

    As bad as we played we weren’t that far from winning. With some key personnel back for the quarters and semis we can still give the tournament a shake.

    They way I see that last match was, Australia were dumb, Ireland smart and the referee diabolical.

    • Bay35Pablo

      I was waiting from about the 60 minute mark for the arsey try that got us back in the game. We got close a couple of times (I wanted to shoot Faingaa when he threw the ball over the sideline after a great build up), but it never came.

      If we’d done that anytime up to about the 75 minute mark the Irish may have started to get the yips, as everyone knows we can do it.

    • Goldie

      It’s true that they could have won, but Ireland could have won by more as well. No point trying to say what could have happened, the result is in the history books now. My problem is that I can’t see Aus winning 3 tough games in a row. When was the last time they did that? They might beat SA, then the media will say they’ve got momentum, they may even beat the AB’s, then the media will say they can do it, then the inexperienced lads will believe what’s been written, think they only have to turn up – end result is losing the WC. Nope, I can’t see the winner being Aus now. Sorry guys

      • Pedro

        I think the loss would reduce the chance of what you’re saying (” the inexperienced lads will believe what’s been written, think they only have to turn up”).

        I’m just trying to look on the bright side and most would still give us a chance, especially if we beat sa and the abs. Only a mad man would think their chances were reduced in that scenario.

        Furthermore Ireland have to beat Italy as well if they ate to cement first place, a likelihood but by no means a certainty.

  • Muffy

    Are we desperate enough to get Ant F into the 7 jersey yet? I would let him have a crack at about 30 mins to go against USA and Russia, I think he will surprise a few…

    Pocock needs to be rested till the QFs as we cant afford to lose him through the finals.

    Berrick at inside, AAC outside, Drew one wing and Bieber the other.

    Beal to spend the week reciting..I am not a one man team..I am not a one man team

  • hooker

    the “we can’t win” mob depress me with their needless angst; and these journalists merely prove they perform for treats. I expect no better from them.

    yes – the Wallabies were beaten by a hard working, smart opposition, but recognise a number of issues unlikely to occur again contributed to this ‘perfect storm’ (as another of the shallow people called it)

    but firstly:

    * I really enjoyed the game, even though it was limited in the range of skills it presented

    * the scrums were awesome – if it hadn’t been slippery I don’t think we would have had many collapses:

    * the saddest thing is that rare chance of an All Black – Wallaby final is now unlikely

    * the 2nd saddest thing is the way NZ is treating Australia. (All you Cooper haters – if you didn’t cry out when Woodcock unnecessarily blind-sided Fainga in a Super 15 game where it looked like he might’ve broken his back – just bite your tongue now eh?)

    * (Nick Farr Jones’ endeavours to keep his name in the news are unbecoming. Note how the great Mark Loane never comments on current players, but then again, he always held himself to the highest of standards)

    * if you were supporting Ireland just to see Australia go down – have you realised the All Blacks chances of making the final (and winning the World Cup) are significantly less than if the Wallabies had beaten Ireland. A semi final between the Blacks and Wallabies looks like a 50:50 game to me – I for one would rather those odds in the final than a semi ?

    * one rejuvenated performance against Fiji does not make South Africa raging favourites – they still have the same issues (aged players, old style game plan) they’ve had all year against strong opposition. Brussow is their strength, and needs to be nullified, but Australia should have less trouble putting them away than possibly we would against England

    So, back to the issues contributing to Australia’s perfect storm:

    * we effectively played with 14 men for much of the match with Polota Nau running out of petrol very early – forcing the loosies to try and make up for it, thus losing their own effectiveness (Deans substitution policies are criticised, and I don’t know why he didn’t switch players, but he’ll have his (good) reasons – and sometimes you’ve just gotta trust)

    * our form no 2 and 7 were unavailable (only when he’s not there can I see some of the steals Moore makes, and his leg drive; and Pocock clearly is as important to us as Brussow to the Boks, and McCaw to the Blacks)

    * Ireland effectively played a home game, with the weather and crowd both on their side

    * most 50:50 calls went Irelands way – with some against the Wallabies real momentum killers

    * Ireland successfully played the referee, conning him repeatedly to reward the defensive side with regard those “mauls”. The 1st one was very well worked and smart, but Australia got in and drove some of the others so the ball went to ground and was immediately playable – indeed, fast ball for one of the few times in the match, but Lawrence rewarded the defensive side every time. momentum killer

    * for those who disagree – what would the ruling have been if Australia had driven one of those “mauls” 15 metres over the Irish line before bringing it down ? – an Irish 5 metre defensive scrum ? we now know how to stop a rolling maul don’t we – just claim, “its a maul, we’re holding it up, no matter how it ends up the defending side always gets the scrum”

    * Australia (rightfully) were pulled up for each crooked line out throw – Ireland were pretty good but the one time they did throw crooked it wasn’t called AND from the ensuing ruck they were given a penalty, which they kicked. Momentum killer

    * the scrums – as I said I thought they were great but much more evenly matched than every commentator claims. Two penalties in particular were awarded against Australia when they should’ve gone against Ireland, one of which lead to points. Momentum killing and discouragement for the effort the forwards put in. THIS is where they need to mature, and not become discouraged!

    * I thought a more scrum sensitive referee could’ve rewarded Alexander on one “hit” with a reset. The Irish loosie was going straight down, and Alexander bailed out by putting his hand to the ground – and was penalised. Alexander did well there – I just sensed that it was really dangerous, and if Alexander had kept the bind and followed the loosie down, someone’s neck was in danger

    * given his readiness and speed to award scrums to Ireland after “mauls” were taken down by the Wallabies, I thought Australia had done enough in disrupting Ireland’s scrum (81 degrees ? – 83 degrees ? ) to earn a turnover. Again – no reward for skilful effort – they’re momentum sapping moments.

    So, from the Boks and All Blacks point of view – surely they’d rather Australia had stayed on the other side of the draw. And I’m sure all the northern hemisphere teams fear that they could be totally cut up and humiliated by the Wallabies if they’re unlucky enough to strike them in that mood.

    The team that wins the world Cup has to win three games against good opposition in a row. I think we can do that, because when I look at how we’ve improved in our general play over the last year I see progress.

    With a full strength side we’re better than most other good teams – we’ll beat teams like Ireland and Wales 3 out of 4 times – the top All Black team will beat them 9 out of 10 times – and I think we have South Africa’s measure at the moment

    but importantly, of all these top teams, the Wallabies are the ones who can beat the All Blacks.

    So why the gloom? why look back? why not believe and enjoy !

    • BloodRed

      Amen Hooker.
      Best review I’ve seen of the game and where we stand. I do hope your right about Deans replacement policy, looked to me like we needed fresh legs from 50 minutes. Curiously flat performance by almost all of the forwards, perhaps more than just Moore affected by “tummy bugs”. Have we just had our “Suzie the waitress” moment?

  • Jimbo81

    One bad game and you say it can’t be done!

    B-O-L-L-O-C-K-S!

    pick the team that smashed the Allblacks for the game Vs RSA and we’re in a semi-final Vs the All-Chokes – the team we know better than anyone else – the snake to our mongoose.

    Yes the selectors stuffed up leaving Beau behind, and the ref and Irish ambushed us – but we won;t have bad refs every game, and Samo / TPN / Vickerman / Horwell / McCalman / Elsom / Kepu / Alexander is still a teriffic pack (they were absent last weekend but will learn from this and come out blazing come quarter-final time!).

    It’s not over yet. It’s time to stop the mourning, blaming, regrets and start supporting again: HARD!

    • Lance Free

      One bad game? Samoa, All Blacks (Eden Park) and now Ireland. There’s a pattern forming here….

  • Matt NT

    I’m a bit late in adding my 2 cents, but, I haven’t heard anyone complaining about Channel 9′s piss poor coverage. Not only did we have to suffer the indignity of playing like crap, but we had to watch a delayed telecast with New Zealand commentary.

    Shame channel 9, Shame. Is the ARU going to complain? Or is this what we expect from now on? I mean for fuck sake!

    Good to see the channel 9 calvalcade of sports stars can’t put together a commentary team (at least in past weeks we had Kearns and co – which channel 9 would not acknowledge). Bring back the voice of rugby – Gordon Bray (when does the channel 7 contract run out?). Or is that the last we’ll see of Gordon? No respectfull Alan McGilvray send off for you. Thanks for the memories Gordon and for all your services to the game.

    • Justtacklehim

      It could be time to get Fox…I know that you shouldn’t need to but on there you’ll find the voice of Gordon Bray commentating some of the mino games in this world cup.

      • GoForGold

        Fox + Sports HD = Friggin good.

        ALL games live. Record & watch later/re-watch. Good mix of commentators. Looks beaut on the telly. No ads during play.

        Winner winner, chiken dinner.

  • KingofDubai

    - We got fu*king dominated in every area of the game
    - Ireland could NOT have played any better and have just played their best game of the tournament
    - We played like a bunch of pansies and couldnt have played worse
    - We lost by ONLY a few points
    - Our try line remains UNCROSSED
    - Tell Digby to get on the blower asap and get some advice off Lockyer about toughening up.
    - I dont know what the WB talk about in those team huddles but we need people to get mental and possessed about bringing back Bill.

  • Cpt Crow Eater

    Think of it this way people, if by some charge of destiny we make it through to the final and hoist up Bill, the victory would be all the more sweeter and we could truly be classed as deserved world champions.

    I haven’t given up yet!!

  • bokke

    Springbok average age 28
    All black average age 29

    Oh maybe there are other ways of determining age seeing as the springboks are said to be too old…

  • http://Munsterfans.com the plastic paddy

    King of Dubai, you are falling into the trap again of seiously underestimating this Irish side. There is a lot more to come. Saturday was the first time that BR had ever played together, EVER. Cian Healy is not match fit, more to come. And our Backline, which is seriously talented, is not remotely functioning. Ireland can play a lot better than they did on saturday.

  • pombasedingermanyrugbyfan

    Guys

    Think the NH and the SH should unite in saluting the moment when my fellow UK (Ulster) man Stephen Ferris tucked Genia under his arm and carried him 20 yards. That is why we watch rugby……….

    Australia got bushwhacked (!) but are still in my book good enough for at least the semis if not the final

  • http://www.takingsmartrisks.com Abha

    I’m not sure that’s quite true Eddie, Carter’s injury is a blow to NZ but they are still a very good team and it will take a very good side to beat them.

    The groups have shown that the best two teams in the NH Ireland and Wales will knock each other out before the semi’s, whilst the other half of the draw could mean that SA, NZ or Aus pile up the injuries.

    Still this has been a really good world cup so far, really enjoying it and cant wait for our match against Ireland.

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