Five Good Things to Come From Argentina

Hugh Cavill October 9, 2012 62

No GravatarIn the wake of the last month or so I want to lift the tone a bit, amp up the positivity and rock the rugby Casbah, so to speak. Whilst the weekend’s game wasn’t the prettiest, there was a lot to like. Here are a few of the positives that I found:

 

Kurtley Beale is the long term answer at 10

While he plays a similar style of game to Quade Cooper the last few games have shown a few key differences that suggest KB is head and shoulders above QC at test level. First and foremost among these is his defence. In the last two games Kurtley has made 18 tackles and missed just one. In the two games before that Quade made seven tackles and missed three. That’s a 94% success rate compared with one of 70%. Against the same two teams, no less. No longer do we have a pivot whom oppositions ‘target’, or one we have to consider hiding from our front line.

If QC’s defence is like Swiss cheese, Kurtley’s is more like this fine cheddar

In attack I am similarly impressed by Beale. Unlike Cooper, his default setting seems to be to underplay his hand. This has not always been the case for Kurtley but has been evident in his first two games at five-eighth. When Quade is faced with a solid defensive wall and unhelpful backline his first instinct seems to be to try and create something. Throw a miracle ball, make a big play. Too often this leads to forced passes, silly kicks and dropped balls. Kurtley has been more circumspect. He is willing to put his head down and take the ball into contact if nothing is happening, and when he does his body height is good and he tends to make ground. He appears to prefer short passes to long, floating cut-outs. I think his style suits the Test arena better. At the end of the day they are similar players but for a few factors, and it’s these factors that have me sitting firmly in KB’s camp.

 


Higgers confirmed himself to be our best blindside

He finally produced the dynamic, skilful performance that we all know he is capable of but has never shown at the top level. We have been let down by both Dennis and Higgers this series, and I don’t blame Robbie for shafting both of them for the untried Timani on the weekend. But at long last Higgers came up with the goods after the early injury to Douglas forced Timani back into the row. I hope Robbie sees sense and keeps him at 6 for the upcoming game against the ABs in Brisbane and the EOYT after that.

 


We have a physical edge in defence that I haven’t seen in a long time

Normally our side is small and determined, with our tackling described as more ‘solid’ than ‘brutal’. At the moment though we are veering towards the latter of the two descriptors, and it is beautiful to watch. Pat McCabe throws himself at anything that comes near the 12 channel. Sita Timani is starting to use that 245-kilogram frame of his. Nick Cummins produced a couple of ball-tearing tackles on the weekend. Michael Hooper and Radike Samo are also pulling off big hits. TPN and Digby can do it too, and even Benny Robinson was getting in on the act in Rosario. I like it.

I survived!

 


We didn’t pick up any more injuries

This is now a cause for jubilation. Sure, Kane Douglas knocked himself out but that is nothing any more. As long as you have four working limbs you have done well.

 


We scored a try from a set move

And a good one too. The type of move that Steve Larkham used to run, with Dan Herbert running the hard unders line and Joe Roff or Ben Tune slicing through the hole to go under the sticks. It was simple deception but beautifully executed. Now obviously you expect this set move to be shelved and never seen again but it was still nice to see. The thing about this Wallaby side: just as you finally reach for the remote to change channels they do something to reel you back in.

 

Yeah, I was reaching on a few of them. There are still a fair few negatives and I don’t believe for a second that all is well in Australian rugby. But it’s nice to look on the bright side for once, looking at the few things that actually have gone our way in previous weeks. I hope we can add to this list another couple of points after we towel the All Blacks in Brisbane in a fortnight’s time.

Discussion »

  • pants

    Now if we could only score more than one try a game…

    • Goldie

      Where’s Bob’s review, it’s been missing for a couple of weeks, is he on holidays?

  • James

    1. Steak
    2. Wine
    3…

    • jay-c

      by far the best looking women in the southern hemisphere
      whoever the genius was that decided to blend beauties from europe with beauties from south america deserves to be honoured for his services to ‘man’kind

      • Fulltime

        Thank you!

      • Who Needs Melon

        Yeah, I read the headline and came here hoping for pictures. All I got was a picture of cheese! Wtf?

  • Red Kev

    I think that’s a reasonable list.
    Higginbotham finally delivering a game of his Super Rugby standard play at test match level was great to see.
    As was the arrival of Sitaleki Timani who more than vindicated the faith shown in him by Deans in selecting him. (I do find it very interesting that Deans still has the ability to pick players who will be good when a lot of us can’t see it – I don’t like the guy as Wallaby head coach but he is one hell of a talent scout).
    Beale is being over-hyped.
    Had Cooper put in the performance Beale did at Loftus we’d be hearing endless criticism. Yes Beale was pretty good, better in Rosario than a week earlier, but let’s not forget he is only there by virtue of injuries to Barnes, Cooper, O’Connor (Deans’ preferred him at 10 on the EOYT remember although I don’t think he’s a flyhalf) and I’m even going to include Lealiifano in the list. I would like to see him play at 10 all year for the Rebels, but Cooper is still the best try creator in the country – whether he can play under JON and Deans is another matter.
    Neither of them (Beale or Cooper) should be given the 10 jersey until they start kicking goals, the fact Deans felt the need to include Harris or Barnes in the team for goal kicking all tournament is not good, neither is good enough to make the “fully fit” Wallabies that we will hopefully see against the Lions.

    • vidiot

      “Yes Beale was pretty good, better in Rosario than a week earlier, but let’s not forget he is only there by virtue of injuries”

      Doesn’t matter how we got here. What matters is that someone makes a fist of running things at 10.

      • Red Kev

        Beale made as many mistakes as Cooper and created fewer tries, the difference is the public don’t want to hate Beale.
        If Cooper had put in that air swing grubber attempt there would be howls from the peanut gallery.
        Beale did okay, he didn’t do any better than Cooper has this season.

      • Who Needs Melon

        Red Kevin is right: Beale is being ridiculously overhyped. There are comments and articles everywhere claiming we’ve found our long term answer at 10.

        Yes, he played okay. But we’ve got to see more. I want to see him play a full season at 10 for the Rebels for a start. Then some games against the darkness to see if he fares better than Cooper under REAL pressure.

  • Bay35Pablo

    What about the meat?!?!!?

    “Higgers confirmed himself to be our best blindside”

    No, more like “Higgers finally suggested all that whanging on about him being our best blindside might be correct, if he can keep it up …”.

    “We scored a try from a set move”

    Which as someone else commented somewhere, suggests they HAVE been training it, so why the hell (and I’m looking at you players) haven’t we seen this more often, and maybe Deans isn’t 100% to blame – just 99%? 97%? :)

    Finally, it wasn’t the ABs or Boks. You only play as well as your opposition lets you in many ways. The Argies are no slouches as we have found out (and wahoo for the TRC as a result), but when we can do that against ye olde Enemies (no not England, the real opposition), then I’ll be content.

  • Jimmy

    I’ve got a million negatives to throw in but I’ll just agree with Barbarian…..it’s good to focus on some positives after 5 years of watching us slide.

    Great effort and plenty of heart shown on the weekend and some tough stuff shown by the pack. And I’m going to regret this, but, I even thought we had scrum dominance once Robinson got on.

    Keep promoting the players who want to have a go – it’s better to watch than the supposedly “talented” ones who don’t give a F*&K

  • Pedro

    Goal kicking was pretty good too.

    • Fletch

      It was bloody good in fact and Mike Harris is not getting a mention here but it needs to be an issue because he should be in the team long term.We dont have a really world class kicker who can consistently slot 6 from 7 every game under pressure and we need this more than ever as we aint scoring tries.JOC is good but not as good as Mike Harris.We better find a place for this guy because hes making the difference.Since Matt Giteau went off the boil after his Scotland meltdown we haven’t had anyone who has really stepped up to be world class and guess what we have stopped winning games too.And I don’t see anything wrong with him as a player, maybe he is just a kiwi but no one is saying anything because we are still getting our heads around it and the issue is uncomfortably close to another player ( think we all know who). Point is, maybe its time to start facing reality and embrace this guy long term as a real find who can win us test matches.

      He seems to have some humility about him and seems to respect the jumper.

      Just some thoughts

      • Blinky Bill of Bellingen

        Totally agree about a bit of praise for Mike. How long have we lamented that ‘if only we had a 80% goal kicker’? Then along comes this bloke and we all assume the ‘ho hum’ posture. We may well have lost in Rosario without him.

        I’m not sure of his best position but I reckon he was pretty reasonable at 13 and not too bad at 15. He has some size and good hands. Not sure about his speed and defence but he scored a try of Beale’s pass in Africa.

      • Rob

        I’ve never understood the hype behind JOC as a kicker. Something I’ve noticed with Aussie kickers is that when they get a kick from a tough angle we are all suprised. When carter, steyne, wilkinson miss from the sideline we are honestly surprised. JOC is mud. Harris is a great kicker, but I don’t think the rest of his warrants a starting spot. Not test quality.

        • Fletch

          JOC is mud ?? – u may not regard him as a kicker but mud is a bit much for a 20 year old who stepped up in Hong Kong and got the money and the girl don’t you think ?

  • vidiot

    Higgers looked pretty stale early in the international season (Like Dennis does now). On the weekend he looked fresh and eager. The amount of rugby these guys are playing is telling.

    • Vboom

      Telling indeed but how much of it is just bad luck?
      South Africa and New Zealand have had just as long seasons but injuries are barely phasing them and some NZ players have even been playing games in their weeks off for NPC teams! It certainly is a tough season to go to out of a world cup year

  • JJJ

    Pat McCabe is solid, committed and reliable in defence but brutal? He’s just not big enough for that at international level.

    It was nice to have the size edge in the forwards though. It’s been a while since I’ve seen that. Maybe we can try that the next time we play England.

  • Rob

    Completely agree re Beale v cooper. I’d be interested to see how many times cooper was tackled during the rwc. He was afraid of being at the bottom of the ruck. I’ve seen people commenting saying Beale runs too often, a 5/8 should be a distributor blah blah blah. Quade didn’t do this. When he is isolated he throws a ridiculous blind/behind the back pass so as not to mess up his hair. He’s too soft for international rugby. Good riddance, Beale is better anyway.

  • piggy

    How many of those tackles did Beale make in the 10 channel? He and Harris did a fair bit of swapping in defence – likely due to Harris’s inability to read the play as a fullback.

    I imagine Cooper would have been widely criticised for the air-swing grubber that Beale perfected.

    I think many people have forgotten that Cooper is just nine games back from a full knee reconstruction (5 for the Reds, 1 for Souths and 3 for the Wallabies), his style of play is going to be affected by that. Most AFL footballers that do ACLs take at six months of games to get anywhere near their previous performance, many never get back to that level.

  • Scotty

    i’m not sure if someone’s going to write a review of the Rugby Championship, but how good was it otherwise just to have the Pumas in the RC now!!
    showed it’s worthwhile and they could definitely beat us or the boks next year.
    good to have the tri-nations revitalised (i was getting bored).
    plus it’s got me thinking i might need to make a trip over there next year to be at a couple of games – looked fun as.

    • Packy

      Yes. And if they can let a Samoan or Tongan or Fiji team in, world rugby will blast off

      • cantab

        yer…look…it sounds good, but in real terms that would be as effective as putting a super rugby team on the gold coast.

      • ‘Boutbloodytime

        Or maybe put a combined Pacific Islands side in the Super XV & combine the Force & Rebels, could raise the bar for running rugby & consolidate the Aussie provincial sides…just a thought

  • murph

    One swallow etc

    Unless it all changes, we are going to go without a win in November

  • Robson

    Yep it’s good to put some positives in the mix, because the negatives are easy to find. And the five that are mentioned are worth highlighting. But beating the ABs in Brisbane? The possibility always exists, but only if they play a stinker of a game and the Wallabies play a blinder. It’s happened once before though, so there is precedent.

    • S Paddy

      It ain’t gonna happen mate. That big black wave ain’t gonna get pushed back this year. 12 players the best in the world in their position and they play like a team. Expect to be disappointed.

  • TD

    I think quade has gotten better at taking the tackle but i agree with what youhave said.

    I hope Deans retains players like cummins in our starting 15 so we maintain this ferocious defence. As this is what wins trophies

  • Pie Thrower

    I’m happy that Beale played well at 10 as when he is full of confidence and in form he can be such a good player. But so is quade and he hasn’t been like that this year.

    I’m a little worried that we are getting ahead of ourselves with regards to Beale at 10. He only had one ok game. I can remember some games he played at 10 for the tahs where he was horrible. And let’s not forget that at the end of the spring tour last year we were all hailing Beiber as the solution to our problems at 10. Seems we are going down the same path. Lets not get ahead of ourselves!!

    • Fletch

      I cant understand why Cooper gained a reputation for being soo good at his best. I honestly cannot think why people say when he was hot he was untouchable.I have scanned and scanned the old memory bank and all I remember is some bullet passing.Beale is easily capable of that and more.When Kurtley does something different my heart doesnt sink 40 floors , when Cooper does it I wait for the cringe to envelope me.His kicking was a 50/50 at best as to whether he was going to spray it which he invariably did. Like other ppl have correctly stated, he never put his head down, he never tackled, he threw the ball away when he got dazed and confused.Yeah he has a step, yeah I do too, its called the hokey pokey.

      KB is a much more instinctual, all round skillfull and physically committed footballer with leadership skills.

      In my opinion he has the potential to be one of the greats and his treatment should be done properly, not f..ked up by changing him from wing to full back to first five.Just pick a f..king position for him and let him steer the ship long term.

      Case closed ( fudge I wish we had a decent coach)

      • ‘Boutbloodytime

        I actually think that KB has greatly benefitted from QC being unavailable in that he can now settle & develop a proper dialogue with Deans to realise that he has a chance to now settle in one position & without having to constantly look over his shoulder, he will continue to develop in a very positive way.

        He has a bit of Mark Ella in his style of play in that he takes the ball to the line well, favours shorter passes and quick hands and is good at finding the holes & putting himself or others through them…

        I like the idea mentioned above with a Link/Larkham coaching combination which could reignite the backline & build on strong forward play & an intelligent approach to all of our play…

        Yes we have numerous problems to work on, but it’s bloody nice to see some positives come out of adversity…Cummins, Timani, Phipps beginning to add some spark, Hooper going great guns & a 22 willing to work their arses off for the full 80…

        Without a coherent & intelligent game plan, I think the ABs in 2 weeks is still a bridge too far, but if we build on the small successes and focus on key elements of our play, it wouldn’t surprise me if we give them more than a bit to think about…or at least more than we did in the first two Bledisloe games…C’mon Wallabies.

      • Pie Thrower

        On the back of one ok game it is case closed?? I think you have missed my point – we have been there and done this before – as recently as last year when we toured the NH – Beiber was our solution to 10. He then plays pretty poorly at 10 for the Rebels and we have moved on.

        Lets all jsut take a minute and a deep breath. KB MAY be the answer – but lets wait a bit of time to see if it is a false dawn or not.

        • Fletch

          JOC was never the answer at 10 and we all new it.it was a ridiculous selection by deans.JOC is a 12 but deans just won’t do the obvious.he puts him on the wing, at fullback , everywhere but – deans doesn’t have a clueeeee

        • ‘Boutbloodytime

          Absolutly KB is not th done deal…but given a chance to settle into the role, I expect more pleasant surprises and less shockers…

  • Mart

    Good article. All spot on. And good to see a 5/8 that will make a tackle round the legs. Not the attempted strip the ball slap down

  • BloodRed

    All good points Hugh except for the now expected G&GR pot shot at Quade.
    To counter your comments re QC vs KB I would point out that Kurtley may have only missed one tackle but it led directly to a try and I recall that on the wing and at fullback he missed 2 other tackles that led to tries whereas Quade has had no tries scored against his defence.
    Kurtley plays a short passing game because his long passing game is poor. It is improving but but compared to Quade’s passing it is like comparing McDonalds to Heston Bloomenthal.
    And if you don’t think KB hasn’t been one of the main offenders when it has come to horrible kicking options, chips and grubbers then you need to have a look at the first 4 games of the RC and re-evaluate.
    Other than that I agree totally.

    • Barbarian

      Missed tackles are missed tackles, one is not better than another. It’s irrelevant what part of the field in which they take place. Defending at wing/fullback is a completely different thing. KB seems to struggle a bit at the back, but in the front line he has been great. Tackles low and hard, where QC tends to go in high and try to strip the ball.

      Agree his long passing game isn’t as good as Quade’s. Hopefully it will improve with more time at 10, it was brilliant in his schoolboy days. As for chips and grubbers, he seems to have smartened his act since coming into 10. By my count he has only done two in the last two games- one airswing and one which came off beautifully.

  • Fulltime

    Have you all thought for a moment how horrible was for the Argies to be beaten by a team with the Brazilian colours …. priceless.

  • Parksider

    I can’t wait to to see the comments from Gagr faithfuls about Richie McCaw’s recently published appraisal of Robbie Dean’s capabilities, character and unsuitability to coach a national side.

    • BloodRed

      Where’s the link to that?

  • BloodRed
  • BloodRed
    • ‘Boutbloodytime

      quite diplomatic by McCaw, but also very telling…

    • Robson

      I’ve made similar comments myself at least once here about Deans, albeit delivering them in more energetic language. I don’t have to be as careful in my choice of words as the All Black captain; although he WAS very blunt for all that.

      The Wallabies don’t have a comprehensive, efficient and effective coaching structure like the ABs have for only one reason. Deans doesn’t want such a structure.

      Robbie Deans is a great talent scout, but that is where his rugby talent stops. Other than that he is a control freak and Australian rugby is paying the price of his stubborn, self focused rugby mindset. Sadly it looks very much like that price has several more instalments to meet yet.

      The ARU need to grasp the nettle and sign him off while there is still some sort of rugby ethos left for his successor to work with.

  • Slim 293

    I wouldn’t lock in Beale as our long term answer at 10 just yet.

    If Lealiifano plays as good next year as he did this year he would have to be first choice with Beale probably going back to fullback.

    Another option would be to play Beale at 10 and Lilo at 12 if you’re after duel playmakers.

  • Brumby Runner

    I am very unsure of the best No 10 option for the Wallabies. I still think Cooper is the most creative player, but he and Deans don’t seem to be on the same page with regard to their approach to Rugby. And after Quade’s recent criticisms I don’t see Deans putting him back in the team. Beale showed last game that he could also be a creative No 10 and if he can rid himself of those grubbers and chip kicks I think he could excel. I also think Christian Lealiifano was the stand out 10 in the Super 15 Aust conference until he was injured, Definitely the best and most punishing defender in that position as well as getting his outside backs humming in attack. Almost pulled off player of the conference even though he missed many games.

    Christian can also play 12 just as good as 10, but then so can JO’C. One of these should be the long term 12 for the Wallabies, with Tapui also in the mix.

    Fot the moment, Beale is the right answer, but next year?

    • BloodRed

      Consider this backline for next year
      9. Genia
      10. Christian or Quade with the other on the bench
      12. Tapuai
      13. AAC
      11. Digby
      14. JOC (give him a little bit of training and he could cover Genia in the hopefully unlikey event he is injured again)
      15. KB if fit and in form, otherwise Morahan

      Bench take your pick out of Morahan, McCabe, Shipperly, Lucas, Honey badger, Harris or Nic White if you’re desperate for a reserve 9

      • All gold

        So who’s the 80% goal kicker in the team, tapuai to small for a crash bash centre because thats all he’s capable of,plus he hardly put his hand up in the tests he’s had.As for leilafano he hasn’t had a test yet,his name shouldn’t even be thrown around until he can show more than a few good super rugby games.

      • All gold

        So who’s the 80% goal kicker in the team, tapuai to small for a crash bash centre because thats all he’s capable of,plus he hardly put his hand up in the tests he’s had.As for leilafano he hasn’t had a test yet,his name shouldn’t even be thrown around until he can show more than a few good super rugby games..

        • BloodRed

          James O’Connor had an 81% kicking rate last year as quoted by Green and Gold Rugby’s very own Scott Allen.

          Ben Tapuai was the best Australian centre by a country mile in this years Superugby and has deserved more than the single test start he got this year. As for size he is heavier than Pat McCabe, has better handling skills and is and outstanding defender. He runs superb support lines and has a good kicking game so I’d suggest your assertion that he is a crash ball runner and nothing else is a big pile of do do’s.

          Lealiifano was the form 10 before he blew his knee out and if you have no interest in picking people based on form then we are not going to agree on a single selection.

  • Roscoe Tims

    The best thing that came from Argentina was Gabriela Sabatini…

    • Red Kev

      Hot damn, the legs that woman had … god bless short tennis skirts.

    • Cave Dweller

      Come on!!!! Argentina Sabatini?? we got thousands of hotter girls: Carolina PAMPITA Ardohain, karina Jelinek, Luisana Lopilato, Cinthia Fernandez, Pamela David, Zaira and wanda Nara and can go on an on!!

      • Roscoe Tims

        OK. I’ve checked out fotos of your hot girls and….OMG! How do they do that?????

  • Cave Dweller

    Move Digby to 13

    • pedro

      Totally agree, I beleive the best outside centres start out as wingers, it stops them going sideways.

  • LeftArmSpinner

    Hugh, excellent assessment and One that I concur with, if not in different words. But I like Berrick’s telex even better………..fantastic and cant wait for more from your pen

  • rugbyinmyblood

    Cummins is in my team over any of those over paid loud mouth poor behaving kids.
    9 white genia
    10 beale
    11 digby
    12 job
    13 cummins
    14 aac
    15 morahan

    When did the wallabies lose sight of skills specific to there position. Eg fullbacks can catch the highball

  • tc63

    Kurtley’s kicking (barring his missed grubber) was outstanding and something that has not been mentioned.
    He made massive territory from penalties and his clearances. Much more than Quade and I think was a big factor in the Wallabies win in not having to face the Argies in on the WBs line.

  • Jimbo81

    More Tapuai
    Less McCabe

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