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Friday’s Rugby News

Friday’s Rugby News sees us preparing for the match against the old enemy, spin from the Wallabies and Sevens camps, Twiggy defending Raelene and a new lad on the block at Brumbies HQ.


Finishing in Style

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It’s the final weekend of rugby for the year (with the exception of a Barbarians-Pumas match on December 1), so without further ado, let’s dive in.

The Wallabies will head into their last match of the year off the back of a disrupted week of preparation, further set by calls for selection changes and illness reportedly affecting a third of the squad. God help the team doctor.

While it has been, by all considerations, a shit show of a year, (with the exception of the win against Ireland) a surprise win against England at Twickenham would be a positive way to finish off the year.

Eddie Jones has been showing the sympathy card for the last few days, however with the pressure on him as well to perform, this match shapes up to be a key clash for both teams in their World Cup preparations.

Currently, as of me writing this at 10:30pm on Thursday night, the squads for both sides have not yet been named. Once they are, I’ll link it down in the comments section below.

It would be great if the lads pull this one off. Honestly, after the year we’ve had, it would be a much-needed moral win to shake the monkey off their back and break the five match losing streak against the old enemy. Even the Eggchasers’ own JB predicts the Wallabies can pull it off (see the most recent GAGR pod).

That being said, I’ve had the optimism beaten out of me, week after week, so I’m expecting the Poms to take this one by 7.

The season wraps up for many other teams this weekend too. Starting in Bucharest, Romania will come up against Uruguay, having both come off heavy losses to the USA and Fiji, respectively.

Next up, the Azzurri have to face the might of a pissed-off All Blacks in Rome, I can already hear the knives being sharpened. Following that, Georgia will face Tonga in Tbilisi and will look to add a second Pacific scalp following their defeat of Samoa last week.

Russia will host Japan in Gloucester, before a really exciting fixture between the Scots and the Pumas will take place at Murrayfield.

In the Iberian Peninsula, Spain will look to grab their second win of their campaign when they host Samoa, then Portugal will host Namibia.

Finally, to finish off the round, Wales will host South Africa and will look to continue their impressive winning streak, Ireland will host the USA in Dublin and France will look to finish their year on a high when they host Fiji at Stade de France.

So there you have it! One more weekend and then (after one Baabaas game), we’ll be done for the year.

How time flies…

Gold Speak

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The Wallabies were all talk yesterday evening, following an improved performance last week (albeit against a weaker side in Italy).

However, the lads made it no secret that they believe they can shut down the England set-piece, particularly in the lineout.

“It’s definitely improving, definitely turned a corner and (we’re) starting to get consistency back but we’ve got a big challenge this week,” Isaac Rodda said to rugby.com.au.

“England are quite good on the defensive lineout, they have a lot of movement, different structures so we have to be really keyed on to our moves and calls.

“They have a lot of different setups which makes it harder for the caller to work out where they’re going to call.

“For instance, [Maro] Itoje will be at the front at some lineouts but at the back at others and they just change their personnel around and play tricks with you when you’re trying to work out where to call.”

England’s lineout struggled against the likes of the All Blacks when they played a fortnight ago, and Rodda has admitted the lads will have to be more adaptable in order to counteract the English.

“As the game goes on you get a picture of what is happening and if you are smart enough you can adjust on the run if you are taking things in like New Zealand did,” he said.

“Definitely been taking things in from every team that has played them and working out what will work for us.”

Honestly, I’m at the stage where all the matters is the performance on the field. Less talking, more doing.

However, away from the Wallabies for a moment, the Aussie Womens Sevens team will be lining up to defend their crown when they play in Dubai next week.

Coach John Manenti has named two teen debutants – Sariah Paki and Lily Dick – in the squad that will head to the UAE.

Both players have been picked off the back of an outstanding season in the Aon Uni Sevens, playing for Macquarie University and the University of Queensland, respectively.

“It’s been a long time coming for them in a sense,” Manenti said to rugby.com.au.

“They’ve both been part of our pathway for a while.

“We followed them closely through the Aon series where they were both very strong and I suppose the Oceania was the icing on the cake for them in making the most of their opportunities.

“They should get enormous confidence and experience out of this and it will put us in great stead for 2020, 2024 and beyond.”

Manteni is determined to retain the Olympic Gold medal in Tokyo next year, following them losing the gold in the Commonwealth Games earlier this year to the women across the ditch. The girls unfortunately also had a disappointing opening round to the Women’s Sevens, finishing 5th in the first leg in the US last month, while arch-rivals New Zealand clinched first place.

“We felt we let ourselves down in our performance and credit to the countries we played – there were some really good performances against us there too,” Manenti said.

“The bar has been raised and in an Olympic qualifying year everyone is playing for keeps.

“We have to be better if we want to progress further and make the podium or above that now that we go to Dubai.”

“A Breath of Fresh Air”

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In what’s been a shit year for the governing body, Rugby Australia has been under pressure to take action on an underperforming Wallabies side, grappling with struggling against other codes in traditional heartland areas, and has also been dealing with the aftermath of cutting the Force in the form of a new competition in Global Rapid Rugby.

Many in rugby heartlands have been calling for the entire board to resign, with particular attention paid to Raelene Castle, who started in the role this year.

However, earlier this week Raelene received glowing praise from an unlikely ally – GRR’s very own Twiggy Forrest.

It has often been the narrative within the media (and fans) that Twiggy has been consistently frustrated by the lack of engagement from RA, beginning with when he approached them with a $50 million paycheck to keep the Force in the competition.

Twiggy has made it no secret of his struggles with the RA board, but at the GRR announcement he admitted that of all the folks in the governing body, Raelene has been the one most on-side with the competition.

All I can say is the new chief executive is a breathe of fresh air,” he said to Perth Radio earlier this week, as quoted in the Sydney Morning Herald.

“When I was trying to deal with Rugby Australia before she came on board, mate, it was like taking a refreshing dip into a swimming pool of glue.

“It was just so bad, you were just getting nowhere fast.

“Meetings would get put off, the other bloke would have a headache.”

I’ll be the first to admit that, while some decisions this year have been questionable, Raelene really did inherit a shitshow at the governing body. And, according to Twiggy, she “sees the vision” of the competition doing well.

“She looked at the world of rugby and thought ‘hey, this game really needs this new tournament, we really need this new tournament and the players in particular, they want new choices,” he said.

“We’re opening up new markets, we’re going where no one else has gone with rugby.”

Raelene did admit earlier this year that she was very open to working with the Force, and admitted it would be ideal to have them back, a far cry from less than twelve months before, when Cameron Clyne and Bill Pulver announced they’d be cutting the Force for the future of the game.

“[When the Force was removed] there was no moral, technical or intellectual reason why you would drop that side,” Twiggy said.

“I always believe out of every setback, every slap in the face, every time you slip and skin your shin, it’s a seed to equal or greater opportunity.

“When I saw the Force get cut, I have to admit I was no great rugby tragic but I’m deeply championing anyone who takes on unfairness.

“[But,] we got 15,000 through the gate almost every single game [this year], we averaged 100,000 for the seven games,” he said.

“We shot the lights out across Australia.

“These were the best attended rugby games, not by a bit, first by a very long margin. You’ve got to say, why would you knock back a community like that?”

The Force launched Global Rapid Rugby earlier this week, announcing sweeping rule changes and teams from across Asia and Hawaii, who will be competing for a $1million purse.

Re-joining the Herd

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It’s been a busy week for folks down at Brumby HQ, with the Super Rugby outfit releasing their 2019 jerseys and recently being named as the 14th most successful club (in any sport) statistically in Australasia (have a guess who’s number one).

However, this week they also welcomed back a former prop to their coaching ranks, with Ruaidhri Murphy signing on as one of ACT’s scrum gurus. Working with Dan Palmer, Murphy will be responsible for the Ponies squad back to its glory days, and making Canberra the fortress it once was.

Murphy has been rising through the ranks slowly in the Canberra system, coaching Gungahlin Eagles Colts and moving into the Canberra Vikings coaching outfit during the NRC.

All of this, and on top of that he’s been studying, running a cafe, oh, and he became a dad recently.

“My big ambition is to someday be a full-time coach. But at the moment, owning a small business and everything else will serve me well, and gives me a break away from footy,” Murphy said to the Sydney Morning Herald.

“In terms of coaching, I took a job to do the Brumbies under-20s to start with and it was a way for me to stay connected … then I started to like it and it kept going.

“I did Gungahlin Eagles Colts and first grade, NRC [with the Canberra Vikings], the Junior Wallabies and now this. It’s very different because you’re emotional, but you’ve got no control because you’re not on the field.

“I loved playing and training, but the rewards from match day were painful sometimes. The balance of a coach is very different, but I enjoy the same hard work and preparation and I can handle the game day better.”

Murphy was forced to retire in 2015 from the game due to a badly broken finger, which didn’t allow him the grip to scrum properly.

Now, he’ll be joining the likes of Dan McKellar, Palmer, Peter Hewat and Laurie Fisher in the Brumbies coaching panel, and will be helping Wallabies Scott Sio, Allan Alaalatoa, Folau Faingaa and James Slipper anchor the Brumbies set piece.

“It’s all very different challenges now. There are some great players [in the squad], but speaking to Dan McKellar my biggest challenge is what we can do for Angus or Tom to make sure they develop,” Murphy said.

“Setting up Scotty and Allan is about clearing up things and showing them pictures for the weekend. But there’s a lot of development in that next group, and a big part of my role is about that conveyor belt [of front-rowers].”

Interesting times in the Nation’s capital…

  • Hoss

    Well, good evening.

    Just back from a sensational dinner in the vines with Mrs Hoss celebrating the big 5-0. As many cricketing mates tell me it’s the first 50 I have ever got, well apart from a few nunfa’s anyway.

    Love the entrepreneurial attitude of my Hunter brethren. I had Haingina for a main. Got to bite into a juicy clam, with complimentary taxi ride home, but a bit exxy at $20,000 per serve, but well worth the investment.

    A little after 11 in Godsville and no sign of a team sheet yet – truly terrified at what Mr Segall will roll out, but in a grape juice enhanced stupor I have gone all in on Oz at 13+, paying $13. It’s been that kind of year that we are a shoe-in and if you can’t have a tipple, some Haingina and some luck on your 50th, well then when can you.

    Speaking of which, where’s Mrs Hoss and that gerbil…….

    • onlinesideline

      Congrats mate – you have just entered the guilt free stage of life. Its awesome.
      I just googled Haingina and thank Heavens no-one walked in on me.
      A Haingina for a main and then a juicy clam. Im starting to think what you say about the Hunter is true. Just is well you enjoyed before this team came out.

      • Hoss

        Just saw the team – FFS.

        Spanners at 12 again – Cheika is a compete and utter fuckwit.

        • onlinesideline

          yep – a totally untried combination in the second most important match of the year with the 12 playing in a position he has no experience in and is totally ill equippped to play in – why not bring back Gits then ?

        • Custard Taht

          Yeah there is, you know them:
          #CHEIKAMUSTGO

        • Huw Tindall

          The only plausible reason is the illness in the team. Look at who else is missing: Tupou, Beale, Marika, AAC.

        • onlinesideline

          and Jordan and Banks on the bench

        • Huw Tindall

          Yes true both good options to cover back 3 and Petaia 13 if required. We’ve got a 6:2 bench so minimal cover there now.

        • Old_Laurentian

          I thought AAC gave a winger masterclass last week. Surely he has to be sick .

        • Singapore Sling

          Not sure not sure it was a masterclass. He did miss an easy tackle on the Italian centre. What he did show was an ability to step off his right foot and come back inside rather than die over the sideline.

        • Who?

          Dropped his first high ball…

        • Old_Laurentian

          Oops.. I must have missed that. But now we know he isn’t sick either.

        • Adrian

          It turns out he is…in the head Old L

        • I have a memory of Giteau hanging up his international boots? I don’t know if it was a falling out with Cheika or he was just enjoying the highlife in Toulon too much. But he’s a couple of years older than AAC and he’s been in Japan for a couple of years now.

          Almost certainly still a better choice than Foley though.

        • Geoffro

          Gits is primarily an IC (likely better than Foley at 10 though) but he’s in semi retirement as a player now. Quade is probably the only alternative amongst specialist flyhalves we have I hope he really makes a statement in 2019

        • Hoss

          Gilberts is a straight dropping mate – no illness. According to RA’s propaganda site anyhow.

        • Kiwi rugby lover
        • Hoss

          The plot thickens. Gilbert & Two-Dads not considered for selection for breaching team standards after the Welsh game with having women in their rooms. It was two-dads sister in law and friends, but rules are rules.

        • Adrian

          I’d say:
          Big punishment for little crimes
          OR
          Bigger crimes than we know about.

          Four things are certain:

          1. Too much bullshit about why people were dropped
          2. Too much detail for an allegedly little thing
          3. AAC…read Brumby coupe leader + Link destabaliser + history of “leading” the impressionable + last minute ring-in over guys like English and Rona
          4. What about Tuopo? I don’t believe the reasons

          Unless we are thrashed by 50, I think this means we are given a “Team Manager” by 2019, and AAC is sent home to his mum. Beale needs help from normal guys in the team, not idiots who refuse to grow up. It wasn’t a hanging crime he committed

        • HK Red

          Will Georgina Robinson be harsh on Cheika for this decision? Like she was on Ewen, over the Dublin 6 incident.
          Seem to remember AAC being involved that night as well.

        • Ed

          Which one is that? RA, SMH or Fuxsports?

        • Hoss

          RA mate – rugby.com.au

        • Ed

          Thanks Hoss.
          Which fine dining establishment do you plan to celebrate your birthday? Sprout dining at the Crown and Anchor is a favourite of my better half and me.

        • Custard Taht

          Is Cheika being incompetent a plausible reason?

        • Who?

          Great point. Bench still to be named, I’m sure that at least 3 of them will make the bench. But I was wondering why Kepu was back at THP after playing LHP almost all Test season.

      • Custard Taht

        I googled it and nothing come up.

    • GeorgiaSatellite

      Happy birthday mate. Just crossed that threshold myself. Still breathing, thank goodness. Enjoy the bonhomie (until early Sunday morning your time).

    • Huw Tindall

      Happy birthday mate! Clearly the Hayne Train was passing through to pay his respects before he got distracted.

    • Richard Patterson

      Happy birthday mate.

      • Hoss

        Cheers mate – the sky hasn’t fallen for life in NZ yet ? A national week of mourning was called wasn’t it ?

        • Nutta

          HBD H.

        • Richard Patterson

          Haha. Very broad recognition we were outcoached and outplayed so you tip your cap and move on Hoss. As you know many here often have work to do being gracious in defeat but the lack of outcry this week means perhaps we are making incremental progress. Schmidt classy. Ireland team classy. Irish fans extremely classy. We can’t follow that example down here then we need to properly look at ourselves.

          2 losses again for the season but the key objectives of retaining the Bledisloe Cup, winning the Rugby Championship and beating England were accomplished. There will be plenty of soul searching over BBQ’s around summer beaches but everyone knows the really big prize is still 12 months away.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Absofriggenlutely mate

    • McWarren

      Thought I’d break my long silence to wish you happy birthday. I hope Mrs Hoss went easy on your 50 year old heart.

      • Hoss

        Thank you Macca –
        Wondered where you had been.

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Happy birthday Hoss. 50 not out is a good inninngs in anyone’s books.

      Just read the team list and some good but more bad TBH, I’m not hopeful for your bank balance

    • Keith Butler

      Happy birthday mate. I dream of being 50 again. Mine was special. Travelled to Aus spent 3 weeks in Perth watching the SDs win their RWC group. A weeks scuba diving at Rowley Shoals and ended up in Melbourne where I met the future Mrs B. Some 50th. Getting down to the serious business, I reckon us SDs will struggle on Sat. We’ve picked a FB in Elliott Daly who is really a 13/14 and will get bombed all afternoon with Izzybreathing down his neck. I also reckon our front five will be under a lot of pressure as Lawes cannot scrummage to save his life. Mind you all my fears could be cancelled out by the G&G having Spanners at 12 and Cheika will have the pack so wound up I can easily see Latu having 10 mins cooling on the pine. Let battle commence and I sincerely hope for a good game from both combatants.

      • Human

        Sorry KB … that was meant for Hoss.

      • onlinesideline

        We dont have the skills to bomb anyone mate. Maybe Toomua but Izzy cant kick and wings arent known for it either. Foley cant. So I woudlnt worry about that. Its forecast for rain. My tip it will be a brutal forward clash and pretty tense. Like always. If we had Thor on the bench I would we may of had a slight slight chance because he is a dead set game changer but alas. This underhill is a worry too. If the Poms get a roll on with the crowd we could buckle badly. Umm clearly Im not confident and want the seaosn to end and a new coach.

        • Keith Butler

          If the forecast is wet then us SDs may just shade it but it will be a slugfest. Underhill had a massive game against the ABs. Some see him as a 6 rather than a 7. Seems that neither the SDs or the G&G can get the back row balance right.

        • onlinesideline

          This is the best Pommy side Ive seen in a long time. Thing is the English beat us 3 years ago and their selections and play have improved dramatically. They know who they are now and each player is a genuine threat. They are being coached properly. The Wallaby team that lost 3 years ago is essentially the same bad selections and the same coach. To me this adds up to a nightmare scenario unfolding for us. A 3 year build up that just gets worse and worse. Poms by 22 and the nail in the Cheika coaching coffin.

        • Keith Butler

          Wish I had your optimism. I reckon it will be a lot closer. Irrespective of the result Cheika is safe until after the RWC. I read somewhere that the G&G have 5 more games until it kicks off. Not enough time to bed in a new coach no matter how good they are.

        • onlinesideline

          Tonnes of time. A whole mid winter camp plus a world cup camp. A good coach can work miracles mate. Totally re-do the team. Right selections, proper training. Not a worry. Its only rugby, its not finding the missing sub atomic particle.

        • A Dingo Stole My Rugby

          Or as Cheika’s insular arrogance would describe it – 11 more games until the RWC final. Such utter dick-headery.

        • Parker

          An underdone new coach (even an interim one) is better than a tried and true failure causing a deepening decline in the morale of the team and the paying public.

        • Birdy

          Cokanasiga? 21 year old, moved to England with his family aged 3 as dad in British army. Came through all the England age groups so Eddie would have known about him for a while.

        • Eddieandhismasterplan

          Eddie picked him in a couple of England squads when he was 18 as he could see his potential.
          Not the full package yet but rumours are he tops the speed and acceleration charts at Bath – who have Anthony Watson and Jonathan Joseph who are both very quick!
          It’s even more impressive considering he’s 6ft 4 and 120kg.
          He has his chance as Nowell is injured, but if he has a big game he could make the shirt his own.

      • Nutta

        Good luck this weekend. No smartarsery in that comment.

        • Keith Butler

          Cheers Nutta. Good luck to the G&G as well. Hope both teams deliver the goods.

      • HK Red

        You stayed onshore, or is that liveaboard? Always wanted a crack at Ningaloo, but liveaboard is so expensive from Hong Kong

        • Keith Butler

          Ningaloo is a fringing reef literally 50 m from shore in places so you just walk in – awesome and no bleaching. Rowley Shoals 200km off Broome. Expensive but best diving ever and worth every dollar imo.

        • HK Red

          Sounds good. I dived Sipadan a number of years ago, expensive but spectacular. Unfortunately the good spots always tend to be expensive.

    • Human

      Happy birthday Hoss…welcome to the other side of the hill – The view can be okay once you get there. I hate to spoil the party, but has your local proctologist made contact yet?

      • Hoss

        Thanks mate – yes, sent a nice card and his nail clippings as a gesture – it’s the little things that count.

        • onlinesideline

          Hilarious

    • Brisneyland Local

      Pure Gold. Happy Birthday old by.
      that is me next year!

      • Hoss

        Cheers mate

        • Brisneyland Local

          My 49th today!

    • John Tynan

      Happy b’day Hoss. I too had to google wtf a haingina was, and got this, so wondering which one you have/got?
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/634c8b0b3b2632fc334cbfc730528440ccefda3b3426eea25dfa7938d0a1d772.png

    • Brisneyland Local

      Remember, now you are 50:
      1. Never pass a toilet.
      2. Never forgo and erection.
      3. Never trust a fart!

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        Hahaha that’s gold

      • Keith Butler

        1. Tick
        2. What’s that?Thought it was a sign that I needed a leak!
        3. Tick

        Gold

      • Happyman

        Concur

        • Brisneyland Local

          The wonderments of getting older.

        • Happyman

          Remember when someone an older person says I slept like a baby. The subtext is I got up every two ours needing to go to the toilet

        • Brisneyland Local

          Oh so true.

      • HK Red

        Fark, I thought that started at 40! You’re doing well mate.

        • Brisneyland Local

          well late 40’s

    • Greg

      Happy Birthday Hoss.

      I hope the gerbils/Trevor/etc etc all went well. That might have been easy compared to what I fear is going to happen on the weekend.

      • Hoss

        Foreplay for the weekend you reckon.

    • Happyman

      Happy birthday mate welcome to the 50’s.

      Just add the Fifty to the price of the wine. You are no chance I would not take that Australia by 13+ at $50.

    • juswal

      Congrats on the half-century, Hoss. I hope we both live long enough to see the Bledisloe Cup come home one more time.

    • Many happy returns young man

  • sambo6

    Well, the team’s out……I haven’t even got the energy to rant about the selection of the world’s worst number 12…..

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5ceb7c7f62e63a5b84d14f2b853b2b5d5e95451f6bdf7c3a2179aa0cdbb3b69e.jpg

    • Huw Tindall

      Looking at the wider changes I think they must be illness induced e.g. no Tupou, Beale, AAC, Marika anywhere in the team

      • sambo6

        yeah. good shout

        • Huw Tindall

          If not then the coaching staff need to be committed

        • sambo6

          still no excuse for foley at 12.

        • Huw Tindall

          Yeah that’s a kick in the nuts. Assuming Beale is sick I’d swap Foley and Toomua. Toomua can play 12. Foley can’t. Simple as that. Otherwise I’d pop Beale at 12 and ditch Foley.

        • Andy

          I wish they’d try Beale at wing. He has played some of his best footy there. He has pace and can play the campo style winger that we have missed. Just keep him out of the decision making

    • GeorgiaSatellite

      So Cheik reckons the Dusty at 14/Sauce at 15 experiment wasn’t worth keeping. And it was working in reverse so let’s go back to it? Card-magnet Latu will be revved up by the SDs like a Torana at the Super Nats.

    • subfreq

      Ben Te’o apparently heard laughing as he ran over the top 5 ft 10in tackle bags in the captains run today.

      • Bobas

        No tackle bag can prepare him for the softness of Foley’s left shoulder.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Pure gold!

        • Bobas

          It’s like gold smoke

        • Brisneyland Local

          You just drift straight through it!

    • Wait this side doesn’t make sense. Why Banks now in run-on? Why Tupou out completely? Foley at 12 is terrible. Hayley Petty is our best fullback so he’s on the other wing. What is happening?

      • Human

        No Banks mate, sadly. Two slow wingers and fullback. AAC, Petaia must be sick or injured.

        • Sorry – Maddocks not Banks. Cheika either has 6 people in bed with the flu, or he’s picking an Australia A/Barbarians backline.

        • Ed

          I don’t know much about Joe Cokanasiga but Daley and May have pace. Bet May and Cokanasiga will be either contesting or tackling whichever Wallaby catches the ball when they hit the ground. England’s kick and chase is world class.

        • english twizz

          21 years old nealy 19 stone and fast

        • NickAJW

          I played against him a few years back before he made his breakthrough. He tore us to pieces as a 17/18 year old, think he is now doing the same in internationals and in a bath shirt.

          The guy is a truck, but if we had any quick wingers he could potentially be exploited defensively.

          Obviously at the level I was playing even our ‘quick wingers were slow by comparison.

    • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

      The most unfathomably strange Wallabies side I have ever seen.

      I don’t know what to say.

      • Geoffro

        The only reason on earth is that Foley/Toomua and DHP/Folau are interchangeable.If he’s been running last weeks vtapes constantly and telling Foley to just play the opposite to that he might get by…Ainsley over Tupou has got me stumped though , Taniela must be pretty crook.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Mate I agree, I just don’t understand this whole thing about picking people in a position and have them continually swap during the game. FFS it’s no wonder none of them are actually learning anything or improving their play, they haven’t got a friggen clue about what they are meant to be doing.

        • Geoffro

          I know and a player that can play a couple positions competently should be selected in their better position first (or something like that).I mean to say Foley should have been named at 12 if at all because he’s a hopeless 12 and DHP at 15 because Folau is a better wing.Now we have a Pooper,Foomua and a Fatty.Silly names for silly selections.

    • John Tynan

      Copy that.
      Let alone Ainsley getting his arse handed to him when he comes on.

      • Hoss

        Yep. My 3 yo pushes harder on the toilet then Ainsley in a scrum.

      • onlinesideline

        I do not want to think about it. Theres 6 points min.

  • Huw Tindall

    Team just in. Assuming some of the selections are down to illness enforced change e.g. no Tupou, Beale, AAC, Marika anywhere in the team :(

    http://www.rugby.com.au/News/2018/11/22/Spring-Tour-Wallabies-England-team-announcement

    1. Scott Sio (54 Tests)
    2. Tolu Latu (11 Tests)
    3. Sekope Kepu (102 Tests)
    4. Izack Rodda (16 Tests)
    5. Adam Coleman (30 Tests)
    6. Jack Dempsey (9 Tests)
    7. Michael Hooper (c) (90 Tests)
    8. David Pocock (77 Tests)
    9. Will Genia (99 Tests)
    10. Matt To’omua (41 Tests)
    11. Jack Maddocks (6 Tests)
    12. Bernard Foley (67 Tests)
    13. Samu Kerevi (24 Tests)
    14. Dane Haylett-Petty (30 Tests)
    15. Israel Folau (72 Tests)

    Reserves
    16. Tatafu Polota-Nau (88 Tests)
    17. Jermaine Ainsley (2 Tests)
    18. Allan Alaalatoa (30 Tests)
    19. Rob Simmons (93 Tests)
    20. Ned Hanigan (19 Tests)
    21. Pete Samu (8 Tests)
    22. Nick Phipps (70 Tests)
    23. Sefa Naivalu (9 Tests)

    • Brisneyland Local

      MAte you know I am not a fan of AAC , but he deserves to be in the squad. What the fuck has gone on there? This is utter shite!

      • Huw Tindall

        I’d just really like a journo to ask the questions we are. Just explain the reasoning, no matter how wrong headed, as I can’t fathom it. Thank christ I’m on a mate’s stag do this weekend and will probably miss the match.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Enjoy. Dont get too fucked up!

        • Ed

          I agree on the journos asking questions we want a response to. You watch the post-match pressers and the questions are mostly soft balls.

    • Bernie Chan

      Just got off a flight from Narita and read the team list…WTF…? Wasn’t happy that AAC was used (v Italy) instead of Banks, Maddocks or Naivalu but he did fine…Surely the Italy game was a chance to give the youngsters some experience, but Cheika goes with AAC. Now he gets punted when he could provide stability from the bench against a crafty rival. Cheika is just making shit up as he goes….and Foley must be the worst Test #12 we have had in recent memory yet gets another start…Is he marking Ben Teo…? Guess Toomua and Hooper will do a lot of tackling…

      • onlinesideline

        Madness mate. Wait till Tuilagi comes on. Busting through the middle passes to Johhny May over, in the corner, that bloody music comes on and those 1 – 2 fist pumps that only English lawyers and doctors do at Twickenham.

        • Bernie Chan

          Could be carnage in the 12 channel…Teo softens Spanners up for 50-60 mins and Tuilagi finishes him off. Mind you, Spanners may be hidden on the wing all game so Toomua and Hooper have to do the tackling for him. If Spanners is loitering on the wing, will ENG target that wing with Farrell lobbing kicks in his direction or just running the speed guys at him…? God I hope the Wallas win…but am quite fearful as IMHO this lineup has me stuffed.

      • Singapore Sling

        I guess if Foley is the worst wallaby 10 in living memory it stands to reason he’d be the worst 12, Timana Tahuesq. Cheika’s like Jack Black in Shallow Hal, when he looks at Foley he see’s a rugby colossus.

        • Bernie Chan

          Glen Ella said “I don’t inderstand it..” when commenting on Cheika’s backline for the ENG game. He also commented about Teo and Tuilagi as the opposing #12s and the sideways crabbing/drift we saw against Italy last week as the Wallas kept trying to go wide early. I wonder if that sideways crabbing/drift we are seeing (everyone bar Cheika and Larkham it seems…) is also exacerbated by the fact that both Foley and Beale are not great long passers of the ball and the fact we aren’t going forward first to earn the right to go wide?

        • Singapore Sling

          You could be right. They might be just running across the field to hand the ball to the outside man like the under 7’s kids. There’s nothing wrong with narrowing spacing of the inside backs provided the 13 has a nice pass, gives the winger more options and space. Oh wait can our 13’s pass? They haven’t had much opportunity this year so we’ll never know.

        • laurence king

          From as early as the Ireland series, I have seen Kurtley run sideways and then throw a pass that the receiver has to stop for and pick it up at his ankles. Talk about a momentum killer

        • Bernie Chan

          Kurtley has such a poor left-to-right pass…he almost always turns his shoulders, so inevitably runs sideways. The playmaker has to be willing to run with his shoulders square so the ball can passed left or right….?

        • Sevenwithasixonmyback

          Always running across the park and by the time we offload to the glamours out on the edge, we’ve lost any width and space for them to perform.
          Run straight, up and through, THEN spin it wide. Have YOUR forwards contain THEIR forwards and let the playmakers make plays unhindered by lost-looking forwards camped out in the backline.
          Backlines now resemble the queue for the f#kn Catacombes. How many people can we squeeze into a backline these days? No wonder the long-passing game has been lost. It’s become a game of pass the parcel. Oh oh, look he’s dropped it…
          Too many people out of position regardless the number on their back.

        • Bernie Chan

          Think the long passing game is not lost…but the ones who like to play this way are not wanted by this regime.

        • Sevenwithasixonmyback

          Watch Jake Gordon’s passing game. Esp. left to right He’s bullet quick in a short game and can confidently shoot it wide without a thought.
          The aspirants can do it (Jakey), but it’s those that make it into Gold that have it coached out of them.
          Our wide play is poor. Clumsy at best. No passing game from #10 out.
          No-one out wide expects quality ball and are usually surprised if it comes.
          Too little room and too little trust.
          Our Wingers are f#ked from the outset.

  • onlinesideline

    again Thor misses the English match at Twickenham
    we are doomed with this side
    If Izzy is so crook why not use Banks
    We are going to be pulversized
    Im tipping 20+ blowout – easlily
    with the players suffering a virus this really weakens players come the last 20
    Im not watching this match

    I prefer to just log on and just confine it to a quick headline and then just log off

    !) Wallbies suffer worst ……
    2) Wallabies finish horror year with 10th straight
    3) Australian rugby in crisis ………
    4) Michael Cheika’s men in disaaray as season …..
    5) England notch up record score as …..
    6) Wallabies implode under Michael ……

    • Huw Tindall

      The virus must have wiped out Tupou as he was a lock for the bench spot. Probably Beale ill as well because he is nowhere to be seen. Could be a case of who the last men standing are!

      • onlinesideline

        must be one hell of a virus – started 5 days before italy match

        • Huw Tindall

          slowly working it’s way through the team – maybe it’s swine or avian flu?

        • onlinesideline

          must be because – vindaloo is over in 2-3 days and then just recovery. This sounds like a really bad virus

        • Huw Tindall

          think our sub-continental friends may feel putting vindaloo in the same category as a virus is a bit much – although apparently vindaloo is an English invention! Not traditional at all.

        • onlinesideline

          why do you think the Poms called it Vinda”loo” then ? The English guy who invented it was called Vincent Thompson II and it was notorious for causing these kinds of problems.

        • Brumby Runner

          And wasn’t it Nathan Grey who was saying just last week that the virus didn’t put Izzy out of the Italy game because it was just something the players could play through?

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          You know as much as Cheika is proving to be such a poor coach, I think that the worst performer in that whole setup has to be Grey. Honestly what a complete wanker he’s turned out to be

        • Damo

          No mate, the virus is in his laptop. Slowly eating up the names of the squad members so he can’t put them in the team. Looks like it’s starting with the good players and working its way down. Plus every time he types in Bernard Foley it puts a 12 in front of it.

        • Custard Taht

          Is low morale a virus? It certainly spreads like one.

      • Andy

        Beales been dropped apparently.

    • Brumby Runner

      8) Cheika replaced by Larkham as Head Coach of Underperforming Wallabies.

      • A Dingo Stole My Rugby

        9) Cheika defiant in face of record loss. We’re on the right track.
        10) Hooper defiant in face of record loss. We’re training the house down.
        11) Foley defiant in face of record loss. We’re all behind Cheik 100%.
        12) Phipps defiant in face of record loss. Everything points to World Cup success.
        13) Wallabies suffer yet another record loss. Castle says Cheika has the full support of the Board.

        • Greg

          14) Boys are performing well on the training paddock!

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          15) The team is a happy family and really close to each other

        • Huw Tindall

          none of you have mentioned the ‘systems’ yet…poor show

        • Miss Rugby

          16) Tom Banks announced as Toulon’s newest signing

        • laurence king

          17) Cheika humbly admits to making an error in selections. ‘I shouldn’t have dropped Kurtley and I should have gone with my first instinct and chosen Foley at 10. You know that they have so much to offer and they bring a lot of intangibles to the overall game.’

    • Kiwi rugby lover
    • laurence king

      I think maybe that Banks is better kept out of all this. Being constantly ignored couldn’t be doing his confidence any good but the further away from Cheika he can get is probably a good thing.

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        Concur

    • GeorgiaSatellite

      Spaderunner

  • GeorgiaSatellite

    Thanks Nick. You deserve a long break after next week, mate. I’ll be freezing my Jackson Pollacks off on Saturday, watching the Lelos play Tonga and trying hard not to check by how much the Wallabies are losing.

  • Kiwi rugby lover

    Thanks Nick,
    Interesting that Twiggy rates Raelene, does this mean the power brokers in both QLD and NSW are going to see this as a challenge and try to get rid of her? She isn’t stupid and must have known what she was in for when she took the job on. Looking forward to seeing this pan out.

    Hope the girls go well, I think that rather than focus on the Olympics they should focus on getting better each game. That’ll stand them in good stead in the Olympics anyway.

    Got nothing on the team that hasn’t been said before or won’t be said later. Hoss would have gained more from burning his $50 as at least he would have got warmth from it for a minute or so. I’m sure the illness has driven some of the selections but FFS.

    • Bakkies

      Twiggy has to keep Castle close to work with her.

  • Nicholas Wasiliev

    Morning gents.

    As promised, please find the squad selections here. I’m not saying much, but let’s just say I’m curious Cheik is persisting with his 12 selection:

    WALLABIES SQUAD: Israel Folau, Dane Haylett-Petty, Samu Kerevi, Bernard Foley, Jack Maddocks, Matt Toomua, Will Genia, David Pocock, Michael Hooper, Jack Dempsey, Adam Coleman, Izack Rodda, Sekope Kepu, Tolu Latu, Scott Sio
    Reserves: Tatafu Polota-Nau, Jermaine Ainsley, Allan Alaalatoa, Rob Simmons, Ned Hanigan, Pete Samu, Nick Phipps, Sefa Naivalu

    ENGLAND SQUAD: Elliot Daly, Joe Cokanasiga, Henry Slade, Ben Te’o, Jonny May, Owen Farrell (co-c), Ben Youngs, Mark Wilson, Sam Underhill, Brad Shields, Courtney Lawes, Maro Itoje, Kyle Sinckler, Jamie George, Ben Moon
    Reserves: Dylan Hartley (co-c), Alec Hepburn, Harry Williams, Charlie Ewels, Nathan Hughes, Richard Wigglesworth, George Ford, Manu Tuilagi

    Discuss…

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      I guess some of the picks must be due to illness but Foley at 12 is just unbelievably stupid. I’m not hopeful mate

      • Greg

        What if we look at it the other way… If we assume that Foley at 12 actually makes sense…. what could the reasons be (besides embarrassing photos)?

        I don’t see it…. but surely Cheika is not just dumb

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          I think the issue is more to do with the pressure he is under. It’s a well known psychological fact that under pressure peoples decision making process starts going downhill and they tend to revert to what they know over thinking for other options. Having seen how despondent Cheika has been at the post game interviews this year I think he is starting to feel the pressure but instead of developing anything new he is reverting to type. He has always trusted Foley and he just can’t see past that at the moment. I think that’s also why Phipps made the reserves this week along with TPN and Hanigan, why Folau is back at 15 and why the Pooper is there.

        • onlinesideline

          Yep. Hes coaching each game as if its his last and thinks that his version of safety is saftey when in fact its what got him there in the first place. He just has nothing else.

        • laurence king

          Cheika has been making irrational selections for such a long time I wonder about his mental health, seriously. He keeps going back to the same players and the same systems the worse things spin out of control.

    • Human

      I hope you were on Double time last night Nick. Thanks for the report and teams. How long has Hartley been on the bench? Is there any chance that Farrell and Ford could catch the virus?

    • John Tynan

      I can’t even….can you imagine being in this extended squad and trying to work out where you stand and what you have to work on, let alone how to break into (and stay in) the 15 or 23?

    • onlinesideline

      This is a very good English side. There I said it.

    • Adrian

      I presume Tuopo is sick. A big worry for me, because Ainsley isn’t in this class unfortunately. He might be one day, but isn’t now.

      Surprised about no AAC. Sick?

      I can see he is bomb proofing the back 3, which is understandable, but not what I’d do.

      Might still be ducks and drakes going on with the 6:2 bench. If Pocock is out, I can see Beale coming in on a 5:3 bench

      • Ed

        As you say Adrian “bomb proofing” but our back three rarely all defend back there at the same time. Typically one player is at least defending in the front line so Spanners or Gilbert are on the defensive wing.
        Our back three also lack pace, something England have with May and Daley.

        • Adrian

          Agree Ed.

          Personally I’d use the the two fast specialist wingers + Folau and dare them to kick. I would have Banks on the bench as well.

          His philosophy on this is different to mine, but he might be right.

          England haven’t been firing all that well this year, but nonetheless better than us…by 8.5 points say bookies

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        I’m not sure that playing a 15 who can’t kick, doesn’t understand the game and so gets out of position, can’t tackle and only passes to the left is bomb proofing it mate

        • Adrian

          Its the other 2 who provide the proofing…KRL..or so the plan would go.
          They can both allegedly kick, and both can catch. Folau can catch.

          Not perfect, and not my plan, but I think it’s his

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          It’s pretty stuffed then mate

      • NSWelsham in London

        AAC was out and about at the Australian High Commission this week. He looked fine from where I stood.

        • Adrian

          Thanks NSW
          Puzzling, but I guess he did show he was up to the task of required in 2019

    • Damo

      Let’s just say for argument’s sake that Michael Cheika knows exactly what he is doing and we are all idiots. In 4 matches including B3 he has put the best possible side on the field.
      However no matter how you look at it, at a time when we really need to unearth some new talent, the fact that Tom Banks has not been given 1 minute of playing time on this tour is a complete disgrace.

  • Brisneyland Local

    Well holy fucking shit! I was making jokes about the spinning dart board of selection. Little did I think he would actually use it. My pissed off points for the day:
    – Folau to full back. A waste.
    – DHP (Sauce) a full back now playing wing.
    – Fucking Foley! Need i say more.
    – I am not the biggest AAC fan, but after last weeks game he doesnt even make the squad? WTF.
    – Happy with Toomua at 10, but with spanners at 12, he will fuck it.
    – Playing the Pooper yet again. And the man that cant Captain as Captain!
    – Thor gets dumped? WTF?
    – Tolu Latu guaranteed there is a yellow card.
    – Gordon doesnt even make the squad so we bring back the bovine sprinkler!
    – Ned Fucking Hannigan!
    Surely this squad selection has been made just to see what kind of a reaction he is going to get on GAGR! Everytime I think Cheika the Ass clown cant get any more stupid, he proves me wrong. Surely the other coaches are thinking that he is taking the piss too!
    OK Lads and Ladettes. England are going to pound us up front, and make us play out of our own 22. Where we will fuck up drop the ball, Foley will do a clearing kick that dribbles 10m and the Soapdodgers will at the least take 3, but more commonly 7.
    ENGLAND by 18 points.
    THIS IS FUCKED

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Mate I’m hoping this illness thing has driven at least some of the changes. It can’t explain Folau at 15 and DHP at 14 or Foley at 12.
      I know a lot of people loser to this team than me are talking about a rift between Larkham and Cheika but if that’s true and Larkham hasn’t got the balls to walk away then he deserves the smashing this rubbish brings to his coaching career.

      • Brisneyland Local

        If Larkham doesn’t already realise that his Wallabies coaching career is pretty much over, then it appears he is the one without the rugby brain!

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Mate, not just his Wallabies coaching career, I think he’d struggle to get a job anywhere after this disaster

        • Huw Tindall

          I’d let him coach my touch team in London to be fair

        • Bakkies

          He could play.

      • Bakkies

        Larkham doesn’t pick the side he works with the hand that Cheika has dealt him.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          More fool to him then.

    • John Tynan
      • Brisneyland Local

        Thats exactly it.
        He spins the wheel, then runs back and throws a dart at it.
        Double the randomness!

        • laurence king

          But first, he makes sure that only his favourites are on the wheel

        • Brisneyland Local

          Gold

      • Singapore Sling

        I love that JT. Is that a spoon collection above Cheiks head? He’d be best in class at that I bet.

        • Funk

          They look like they are silver though not wooden!

        • John Tynan

          maybe, but it’s not his – there’s not enough wood!

    • Dud Roodt

      I’m assuming a number of the decisions may have been forced by the virus. Still, I think we’d be better off playing a man down and not running out with a 12 than playing Foley there. Toomua would just have to chuck cut-out balls all day, without cutting anyone out.

      As someone else mentioned, Hooper is going to have to tackle his little heart out. For all his faults, you can’t fault his workload – and tomorrow night it’s going to be ramped up another notch.

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        The thing is the whole Kerevi at 12 and AAC/Petiai/Banks/DHP or anyone except Folau at 13 would be such a better side. I just don’t understand why Cheika and the rest of those muppets don’t see this, that’s what really gets me.

        I agree Hooper always plays is heart out and gives it 100%. I’m still not sure what it is exactly that he does and I think that he lacks dominance in either defence or taking the ball into a tackle but for sure he does give it everything he has.

        • Happyman

          You forget logic cannot be applied to the current selection criteria.

      • Happyman

        You can assume that DR but honestly this could be the actual team that the current coaching team wants to pick.

      • Brisneyland Local

        Yep agree.

      • Huw Tindall

        I’ve been banging on about the virus as a potential reason for the selections but nowhere has it been reported as a factor at all. Thus I can only conclude the coaching staff need to be committed.

        • Singapore Sling

          “But the boys were sick Rae, really sick” Michael Cheika cried as he threw himself at his bosses feet in the opening minutes of the year end review.

    • Funk

      My favorite part of this team is that he has selected a 6:2 bench thinking he is going to need some impact late ….and who does he select Simmons and Hannigan…he’s consistent if nothing else!!!!

      • Brisneyland Local

        The powder puff twins!

        • Parker

          Are you referring to Hanigan and Simmons?

        • Brisneyland Local

          Yep

      • Huw Tindall

        Well there are no other second left on tour rowers after Arnold fractured his eye socket so he is stuck with Simmons. Hannigan similar story. On a 6:2 bench there aren’t any other options in the tour squad left.

        • Funk

          Sorry Huw, these are the players he selected to take on tour, one injury to Arnold does not absolve Cheika from squad that he has to select from.

        • Normally if you’re on tour and there are injuries, you call up cover for them… Of course Cheika’s opinion of Simmons and Hanigan is higher than most GAGR contributor’s so for one game he might have decided he didn’t need to.

      • Damo

        I heard that Eddie and Cheika had a bet on the All Blacks v Ireland game. The winner got to pick the opposition team next week. Cheika backed the AB’s. Makes sense, right?

        • GeorgiaSatellite

          Superb

        • Funk

          I don’t know, I reckon that they would probably select the same team, but for completely different reasons and opinions of the players…

    • Kiwi rugby lover
      • laurence king

        How badly does one of Cheik’s inner sanctum have to play and for how long has the despicable form got to go on, before he get’s dropped. Well , now we know, A whole season.
        Truly, this should have happened so long ago. Cheika’s decision making is clearly irrational. It appears to me to be a case of someone being emotionally out of their depth.

      • Bernie Chan

        What Cheika said makes his selection policy all the more baffling…he is talking shit like a politician in election mode.

      • Miss Rugby

        Really worrying comments about Pocock. Not fully fit, hasn’t trained all week, still hurting, thinks he can make it, hopefully he gets looked after in there, I think he’ll be right ……. but he’s still named in the starting lineup.
        At what point does the coach have to be a grown up and say “Sorry David. I know you really really want to play, but in the interests of your health and long term career it is better that we rest you for this match. Neck injuries are a serious bloody issue and your first priority should be your own health. It is my duty as a coach to ensure you don’t sustain any long term damage.
        We have a competent back up for you, you’re not letting the team down at all because there is someone ready to slide seamlessly into the set up.”
        (I know the last part is not even a possibility – because there isn’t!)

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          He knows that without Pocock you’ll lose every ruck battle mate. He’s running scared

      • Ed

        Well the SMH is reporting Beale was “controversially” dropped.
        AND.
        “The benching of two form Wallabies (Kurtley and Marika) has left fans scratching their heads ahead of Australia’s final Test of the year at Twickenham on Saturday.”
        You fans, Georgina and Tom – yes, but not us fans here on GAGR. We are still flummoxed that Spanners is starting at 12 too.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Hahahaha those idiots at SMH are so far up NSW arses it’s a wonder they ever see daylight

    • Custard Taht

      In defence of Cheika and the goonies team selection…..a) you haven’t seen how the team is training and b) you aren’t part of the inner sanctum.

      I have heard first hand that Toomua and Foley have been tearing it up during unopposed training, and the Wallaby Scrum has been dominate against the lightweight scrum machine.

      • Brisneyland Local

        Gold

    • UTG

      I’ve tried to bring a bit of positivity to these discussions this week but mate cunt’s fucked. Even if the virus claimed everyone but the 23 named it’s still a bizarro team where the combinations are way out of whack (Folau at 15, DHP 14; Foley 12, Toomua 10).

      • Brisneyland Local

        welcome to the club! Just out there isnt it.

    • Nutta

      Breathe Dude. Breathe. Go admire the PA for a while.

      • Brisneyland Local

        I am not in the office today. So have total freedom! Am in the Qclub, watching Sydney airport eat itself as it is reduced to single runway operations, and half of the flights are cancelled. I am just sitting here drinking beer!

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Sounds like a plan. Hope it clears as I’m off to Rarotonga tonight

        • Brisneyland Local

          Check your flight. they are running out of slots very quickly with only one runway!

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          We’re safe mate. On our way

        • Brisneyland Local

          Safe flight. I just landed back in god’s country!

        • Geoffro

          Get to watch the game in Raro or blessfully spared ?

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          I think I’ll be spared. I wouldn’t mind watching it but will see

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Sounds like a plan. Hope it clears as I’m off to Rarotonga tonight

        • Perth girl

          I had the pleasure of being at Sydney Airport this morning as well!

        • Brisneyland Local

          Was it chaos then. I got there at 3 pm and it was bedlam

    • Hoss

      You’ll love this Briz Two-dads and Gilbert ‘not considered’ for selection for breaching team standards – has women in their room Post Welsh game. It was two-dads sister in law and friends. But leadership group acted and said nonsirrrreee bob.

      • Brisneyland Local

        Yeah see my posts about it. fucking appalling. Not so much the act. But the deliberate cover up. Mind you AAC has form. And Beale is a piece of shit.

  • onlinesideline

    so basically Lynagh “hints” in one article

    Foley and Beale whould be benched
    Kerevi should be 12 because it worked last week
    the Pooper should be scratched
    and the signing of Hooper and Izzy is ridiculous

    Poidevan “hints”

    our forwards are an embarrasment

    Can you imagine what they are all really saying behind the scenes. This is from one of our greates flankers and greates 10s. Why doesnt Castle do something is beyond me.

    • Custard Taht

      I can only refer to history as to why. Castles became obsolete with the invention of cannons and mortars. So whilst she is built tough, dominates the landscape and looks effective, the Board have the power of the guns, and have rendered her redundant

  • Happyman

    Gents the good news is that by the end of this weekend the International season is done and dusted. What is clear is that the current coaching and management structure has lost the confidence of the stakeholders who are outside the bubble.

    Let us hark back to the early days of MC’s reign and remember the commentary around thanking the supporters for getting up and watching them play win lose or draw. We are now in a place where it is an us against them mentality. Win lose or draw I prefer that team to this.

    I cannot truly comment about this team as it is not representative of the best rugby talent in the country.

    Something needs to change and unfortunately it won’t happen until after the RWC If at that time Larkham gets the gig I am getting out my pitchfork.

    • juswal

      Same here: no comment.

  • Hannes En Brianda Barnard

    I thought 2017 was the “shit” year when RA made the incredibly dumb decision in the worst possible way to dump the WA rugby community from Australian rugby by even driving Rugby WA into bankruptcy. RA proved however that WA was never the problem and did even worst in 2018 with many more dumb decisions like spending more on Hooper than they did on the Force and lock in mediocracy for another 5 year period. Who is looking forward to 2019? Not the Australian rugby supporters. The Wallabies are in tatters, the coach is under pressure, the administration became the laughing stock of world rugby and lost the ability to control the game within their own country. Our most generous philanthropist that already pump millions into rugby and want to do more decided that he would rather work with Hong Kong Rugby Union than the glue swimming honey walking dinosaurs of RA. My question to NSWRU and QLDRU is why is Cameron Clyne still the Chairman of RA, ? Why can you not see the obvious the RA misadministration needs new leadership? Come on NSWRU and QLDRU make it happen…

    • Bernie Chan

      Mate…our QRU are broke and busted. Being propped up by RA so they won’t bite the hand that feeds them…The QRU, NSWRU and RA need to be gutted..all of them!

      • Hannes En Brianda Barnard

        I cannot disagree.

      • Perth girl

        The “food” will eventually run out though

        • Bernie Chan

          Too true…RA still has this ‘top-down’ approach, pretty much ignoring the grassroots (in fact…pissing off grassroots rugby…) which hasn’t worked for how many years now…Only winning the RWC can save this strategy, and most of us can’t see this current coaching group producing that result.

        • Bernie Chan

          Indeed…

    • Bakkies

      Glue sniffing would be a more appropriate analogy.

  • andrewM

    “it was like taking a refreshing dip into a swimming pool of glue.”
    Now we know the real reason why the Badger has been in WA of late – he’s been giving Twiggy Elocution lessions

  • Funk

    In other news…Laurie Weeks has retired effective immediately. It’s a shame that the Rebs can’t give him a farewell game.

  • A Dingo Stole My Rugby

    After the player-power coup against Link, Cheika came in and, by any measure, did a really good job to get us to the RWC final 12 months later in 2015. I was one of plenty at the time who said that just getting out of our pool would be a pass mark. I was happy at the time to admit that I may be wrong about Cheika.

    However, the way I look at Cheika’s tenure since then, and the only way I can sleep at night, is through the words of a long-retired but very successful former international, who recently described Cheika’s selections to me as “an exercise in rewarding mediocrity”.

    I suspect that objective history will remember Cheika using that same word – he was a mediocre player, and ultimately, a mediocre coach.

    • Singapore Sling

      Agreed! Cheika’s soufflé rose in the 2015 RWC through a combination of luck and determined defence. Both have deserted him but as the old saying goes “you make your own luck”. His syphilitic madness will eventually kill his career.

  • Adrian

    Rather than join in the coach and Foley criticism, and bearing in mind that health issues must have effected Toupo’s non selection, I’d say:
    1. We are expecting a tight forwards game
    2. With Kepu and Alaalatoa being able to play both sides, the strategy will be to only use these three, even if one has to go off for an HIA at one stage
    3. Pocock no certainty so Beale could reappear, as there are no other fit forwards
    4. Team is already picked, so I’m thinking now of how to use it.
    5. Up the guts with close support and occasionally get to Kerevi quickly,… Folau to run off Kerevi
    6. My greatest fear is that we will kick it back to them, as we have NO …repeat no, competent kickers.
    7. The back 3 bomb diffusers have to run it up and support each other. They are unlikely to score on the counterattack unfortunately, but could avoid loosing field position.
    8. Scrum can hold, even without Tuopo if Ainsley stays off
    9. Simpler lineout can work
    10. Ref not pedantic..I hope

    England by 8

  • Nutta

    Gudday All

    Quick opinions from the village idiot:

    * Taff should start. But that would mean Ainsley lines up next to Latu at 65min and that would be shocking so it’s lesser of two evils
    * Pleased to see Dempsey
    * I think Foley and Too’s numbers aren’t relevant. Rather we are playing 2-ball players. There is no way Foley will be defending at 12.
    * With Foley in but no 2Dads the first couple of D lineups off scrum/lineout will be interesting
    * Ainsley is a worry after getting carved last weekend. Thank Fk Cole isn’t playing or I would just book an ambulance now
    * Disappointed to see the Folau/DHP swap. That smells of placating egos.
    * Hanigan… dunno what to say.

  • A Dingo Stole My Rugby

    Compare the two backlines. The Soap-ophobes have it all over us in one key area – speed.

    They have serious wheels in their 11, 13, 14 and 15. We have nothing like it in our entire back division. Once our line breaks (and of course it will), we’re stuffed.

    • Bernie Chan

      This has got to be one our slower Test backlines in memory…Maddocks be the quickest I guess? They’d better defend well as we won’t run the ENG wingers from behind (compare to Izzy getting run down so easily against Italy…). Wonder what the thinking is behind this nonsense…? Is Cheika so enamored of certain players that he simply must select them even it is to the detriment of the team…? I’ll add one other clear advantage for ENG…kicking, either out-of-hand in general play or off the tee. Our lineout may also struggle as our hookers can’t throw…

      • Brumby Runner

        It will be up to Will Genia to stop any breakouts because he will be patrolling behind the backline all night. We’ve all seen how effective that has been.

        • Bernie Chan

          That’s another weird tactic isn’t it…have your scrumhalf defend at fullback so he can’t be in position to distribute turnover ball, which is now the most effective attacking opportunity as defences are not set, and have your wingers running into defend in the centres…no wonder everyone seems gassed, they are running to-and-from needlessly. Part of the genius “plan” which no one understands! Love to be a ‘fly-on-the-wall’ during a strategy meeting between the coaches…:)

        • Damo

          The run on team certainly takes the cake but I reckon the most bewildering thing is the bench. Almost no proven physicality in the forward replacements and a half back and winger ( who has no experience playing any other position) as 22 and 23. An early injury caused replacement in the mid field will result in even more out of position musical chairs. I saw some report saying if Pocock drops out he will be replaced by Beale ffs!!! I’ve run out of craziness analogies for this lot.

        • Bernie Chan

          100% agree….bloody madness of some sort, enabled by an incompetent RA. Cheika has to own this clusterfuck as it is of all his own making. I know sweet FA about front row play, but am worried about our bench props as I’d never heard of Ainsley until he got picked! Why isn’t AAC on the bench….? If Pocock is out….we are buggered, as the positional musical chairs will weaken us further.

        • Huw Tindall

          Unfortunately there are no other fit forwards on a 6:2 bench after Arnold broke his eye socket and went home. Tui would have been a great reserve lock/6 option but alas.

        • Geoffro

          What about the apprentice ? or get big kev down from the commentary box. Desperate times

        • Who?

          Last time we had a ring in of the type Kev would be, it was AAC. Some irony in that, if Kev were called in…

      • Sevenwithasixonmyback

        Tolly Latu’s greatest weakness was always his constant crooked throw. Even in Club.
        He’s fixed that, but now he’s getting pinged as a Hooker for Jackaling like a top #7 (without McCaw’s authority). Yellow for sure this match, but not deserved. He Jackals with the best them. Knows how to do it. Just gets pinged ‘cos he’s not Ritchie.
        He can throw now, but.

        • Huw Tindall

          A lot of players are really pushing the boundaries on ‘supporting your own weight’ during a jackal. Guys like Poey and other ruck aficionados get away with it a bit as they have a reputation for being good over the ball so the ref can’t ping them. I agree with you that Latu, and others, get rough treatment as they don’t have that rep. The Whole ruck is a sh!t fight right now with the neck roles and dangerous cleanouts to the back of guys heads and people lying all over the place and going off their feet. Glad I’m not of playing age anymore!

        • Who?

          Latu can’t throw, and his jackalling technique looks terrible because he has bolt straight legs which aren’t nearly as splayed as Pocock’s (which have bent knees). When you start with your forearms on the ground, it never looks good. Not under current laws, not under old laws. Just ask BOD – first penalty of the Lions series in 2013 was against him for dragging his forearms on the ground. You might get away with a clean pilfer if no one else is around, but with unbent knees, I don’t see how you can take any cleanout – and survive it, as many refs require before blowing a penalty.
          And Latu’s throwing has no loop, it’s too flat and of singular speed. He doesn’t throw ‘up’, he throws forward. All our hookers have issues throwing, arguably the best technique is BPA’s, who is the closest to throwing the ball up and looping it down on his jumper. I watched those two warm up (directly in front of me) at the Bledisloe Irish Test. BPA’s throws went up and landed on Latu’s chest, wherever he told Latu to stand (BPA was on his knees). Latu went to his knees. His throws were far flatter, and BPA was struggling to pull them down from way over his head at a full jump. Not good technique, not good practice.

  • Greg

    Mr Cheika said “I don’t know if we’ve really fired this year in the three-quarters,”

    Gosh… I know. Unfortunately it has to do with Spanners and Gilbert. I am sure they are trying but it is not working.

  • Adrian

    I overheard today two guys who know guys who know guys etc.
    One said “They are all crook you know, ..even Bernie’
    The other said “How can you tell?”

    My thinking now is Foley will spend his time 50/50 at 12/10 as will Toomua, and Folau and DHP will do similar with 14/15.

    Beale a good chance for bench.

    Supposed “mind games” going on, but easy to read

    Overall, nothing to get too excited about.

    • Huw Tindall

      God I hope you’re right re the illness Adrian!

      • Brisneyland Local

        Nah this is simply Cheika’s mind games to try to convince the fans he isnt insane!

        • Huw Tindall

          Well it’s f#cking with my mind so is clearly working!

        • Brisneyland Local

          See all part of the Cheikmeisters master plan. the one he briefed raylene on.

      • Adrian

        Absolutely Huw, and on oh so many levels!

    • Brumby Runner

      Foley had the 12 jersey on against Italy and my recollection of that game is that he spent all of his time in the 12 slot where he ran cross field with every bit of gusto that Beale has conjured up this year. I really don’t recall Foley being at first receiver very much at all in that game. Why then, should we expect something different this game?

      • Adrian

        Only Brumby, because Cheika has used his gobbledygook language to say how they are interchangeable, and the same for the back three.

        To me, this means a second half backline that is close to what Cheika preferred before he started swapping around the 10s and 12s, and of course following Kerevi original injury

  • Huw Tindall
    • laurence king

      It’s tea leaves, crystal ball, crystal meth I’m afraid, nothing to with or prosaic as logic.

  • Huw Tindall

    It’s happened – Poey out as he has failed a fitness test re his neck.

    I guess Samu to start now but if we stay with a 6:2 bench the only other forward in the squad, besides hooker Folau Fa’ainga, is Valentini. Naisarani isn’t eligible yet obvs. I know Valentini is the ‘development’ player on this tour but technically nothing stopping him from being selected. Hell at this rate they really could be asking Horwill to step out of the commentary box!

    • Geoffro

      I’d throw Valetini in the deep end but reckon we’ll see AAC to the rescue

      • Huw Tindall

        Yeah I could live with either but would probably edge towards Valentini as England have Nathan Hughes coming off the bench who is a massive ball runner like Billy Vunipola. Simmons and Hannigan won’t do much against him!

    • sambo6

      I would have bet good money that I would never see the headline “Beale replaces Pocock in Wallaby squad”

      but this is Cheika-world…..

    • Birdy

      Horwill is on the bench for Harlequins Friday night, so they’d better hurry up.

    • Bernie Chan

      Samu in for Pocock and Koroibete on the bench….jeez our bench doesn’t cover many backline spots…a scrumhalf (well…sort of …) and 2 wingers.

  • Eddieandhismasterplan

    Apparently Beale and AAC omitted for breaking team protocols – something to do with taking girls back to team hotel rooms, some of them AAC’s sister-in-law and her mates.
    Not seen anything official but it apparently came from Wallaby spokesperson.

    • sambo6

      Worst part is, it looks like they tried to keep it quiet. Maybe it came from a wallaby spokesperson, but 24 hours after the team announcement, when questions were starting to be asked.

      I wonder what AAC’s mum has to say this time……

    • Bakkies

      They tried to sweep it under the carpet while the RA were getting hammered for hiding the Longstaff review.

  • MungBean

    Huge surprise. Serial morons, Beale and AAC have been stood down for bringing women to their room and breaking a team moratorium. At what point will people realise that there is a subculture of ‘Waratah heros’ that is poisonous to the Wallabies?

  • Birdy

    Stories broken in England a few hours ago that Pocock is out and Beale and AAC are out for disciplinary reasons. Women in hotel rooms in Cardiff, apparently.

    Kudos, if they’ve managed to find good-looking women in Cardiff.

    • Bakkies

      You don’t have to go far in a two street town.

  • sambo6

    “Taniela had a great game against Italy and his consistency in matches has been a bit of an issue but he’s only very young playing in probably a more mature position,” Cheika said.

    What the actual fuck does that even mean?

    • Who?

      Go away and show you’re enjoying your Rugby…
      :-P

  • sambo6

    “When South Africa trudged off the pitch in Cardiff in December last year, few would have backed them to win in New Zealand 10 months later. “We have new coaches and structures and are a different team,” says the No 8 Duane Vermeulen. “We started from the bottom, got the basics right and are now working on some of the finer things.””

    Come on RA….there’s precedent….#sackcheikanow

  • Nutta

    I simply cannot believe Beale and 2Dads behaviour.

    2Dads has multiple multiple form for disobeying team rules including both the famous Dublin6 and Tequiri/Canberra incidents. And as for Beales history well where the fk do we start there?

    These two are multiple-time disgraces to the national jersey.

    When will enough be enough? I’m not being puritanical. I’m leaving aside the whole issue of any negative behaviour towards women. I’m wound-up over the flagrant disregard of respect of team rules, decent culture and simply having a modicum of respect beyond the length of your own nose. This is the apparent credo of their profession and it’s just treated as disposable garbage.

    Beyond those individual pigs behaviour, this is yet another impact of an insular and inbred inner scrotum of players allowed to exist inside a no-consequence bubble. It’s another result of having too small a player pool.

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      More of having a protected pool mate. Leaving all this aside there are players in this team who do not deserve their place on form.

      I wouldn’t mind betting there is a huge rift in the tour party

      • Brisneyland Local

        Absolutely.

      • laurence king

        Haves and have nots

    • Brisneyland Local

      Mate I dont think it is all of them. there definitely is a divide in the playing group. This information leaked from the playing group to the media. The media pressure is what forced Cheika to make this public and he has directly stated this.

    • Old_Laurentian

      It reminds me of a story I heard from a few years ago about the hotel breakfast after an international in Paris where AAC hit one of his teammates and put blood all over the white linen tablecloths. At the time I didn’t think it could be true.. but now..

      • Nutta

        Rumour story and innuendo but I heard that was little episode was 2Dads, Cooper and Beale.

  • laurence king

    Cheika has tried to downplay the incident but I wonder what would he have done if it wasn’t one of his boys?

  • Adrian

    So much bullshit at all levels over such a minor thing suggests that that there is much more to this Beale/AAC story

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      I agree Adrian. Regardless it certainly demonstrates some leadership failure and poor judgement. I bet the newbies in the team are pissed at all this

    • Brisneyland Local

      Read my comment above. This is about a scism in the palyer group. The typical covering up and Waratah players protecting other Warathas! It is not the offence, it was how it has handled. Cheika has admitted the only reason they went public was that the Australian was hounding them. the Australian knew because the players are leaking to the media because they are extremely unhappy with the leadership group. Two in the ledership group wanted it dealt with the captain disagreed. They told him to deal with it, he didnt. they leaked it, and now we have what we have. Another Cheika fuck up. A dived player group being lead by a Waratah group being devisive and immature. This is fucked and tearing apart Australian rugby.

      • Bernie Chan

        Both Hooper and Cheika have shown a stunning lack of leadership…

        • Brisneyland Local

          Havnt they always. I have come to expect this patheticness under these two. Foley as well. The player group will turn on each other now in open revlot. And I bet it happens out in the middle of the park during this match!

        • laurence king

          It wouldn’t surprise, they don’t have Pocock and his character to keep them focused when it gets tough. I reckon that it would only take a look from him but now he won’t be there. It could get ugly.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Watch Genia. He will give Hooper and Foley a bucket load out there! And so they should. At least he has some integrity!

        • laurence king

          Mate, who is in the leadership group that oversees this sort of stuff?

        • Brisneyland Local

          Hooper, Foley, Genia, Pocock, and Kerevi. I bet those three are pissed at Foley and Hooper!

        • laurence king

          Certainly not a good look. Maybe soon that there will be some vacancies on that leadership group.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Yep. I bet RA ditch Genia, Pocock and Kerevi.

        • laurence king

          Nothing would surprise

        • Keith Butler

          I nice pass to Spanners to expose his ribs.

        • Brisneyland Local

          A beautiful hospital pass would be perfect.

        • Patrick

          In the first minute, if possible

        • Old_Laurentian

          Absolutely. Poor coach. Poor captain.

      • Adrian

        Thanks BL

        Not sure which other comment you meant, but do you know how they were split, and who are the group members anyway?

        I am wondering whether the bullshit about Tuopo not being picked relates to this or another issue… given bullshitting is acknowledged as an appropriate tactic.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Yet not sure about Tupou. Saying he wasnt up to scratch is bullshit, because he had a pearler of a week. I wonder if he was part of the player putsch pushing for this to come public. And this is his punishment.

      • laurence king

        We’ve discussed the possibility of dissension in the player group a few months ago and it appears that we were all correct with our speculation, well, it could all blow up very shortly.

        • Brisneyland Local

          I fucking hope it does. Very publically. then I hope the players speak publically. The RA will have no choice but to act.

        • laurence king

          I think with Glen Ella, Poido, etc starting to speak out and now this, I think the end is nigh, if England give us a towelling then that may be the last straw. What’s keeping him from not resigning now? Pride? If it’s belief, then it’s misplaced.

        • Brisneyland Local

          I think when all of the people presently supporting him turn on him, including some of the current players. It will be good night she wrote.

      • Keith Butler

        More divided than the LNP.

        • laurence king

          Does have that look about it, doesn’t it?

        • Brisneyland Local

          Yes but still more cohesive than the greens! ;-)

        • laurence king

          I’ve always thought that that was a funny name for a bunch of cultural marxists lol. Being somewhat of an environmentalist myself, I would prefer an environmental party without all the additional agendas.

        • Brisneyland Local

          That is why everyone else refers to them as Watermelons!

        • laurence king

          didn’t know that

        • Brisneyland Local

          Green on the outside, red on the inside!

  • laurence king

    What an unmitigated screw-up of a tour, this was known about after the Welsh test and the coach gets to here about it on tuesday, really, really and truly? Failings all over the place in terms of leadership. Two senior players, one brought on the tour because he could help the younger ones. We are going to get well beaten against England and so that will make two out of three and we were most fortunate against the Italians. A question, how bad does it have to get before something is done about this dreadful coaching group? If we keep them, don’t think that things will improve, because it won’t. We will be lucky to get out of the group stage because Wales and Fiji will be coming with the intent and BELIEF that they have our measure.

    • Geoffro

      Our best weapon now has to be complacency (on the Poms part of course) If they read into all the hype of how bad we….on the other hand they may just hammer us mercilessly.

      • laurence king

        I think that they would need an absolute skinful of the stuff for us to be a chance. Still this year we have had the ability to drag teams down to our level.

    • Keith Butler

      With all the screw ups that have happened, the G&G are just as likely going to pull this one out of the fire and win.

      • Geoffro

        Umm…sure Eddie (wink,wink,nudge,nudge)

      • laurence king

        I hope that England bring their best game, if our guys are good enough, great that would be fantastic. But if not, let the chips fall where they may.

        • Keith Butler

          I hope both teams bring their best game.

    • Custard Taht

      Yep, and it is the same core group of players that were front and centre of the problems with Link. Hooper, Beale, Foley and Ashley-Cooper.
      Beale and Ashley-Cooper may have been the transgressors, but I have no doubt it was the Hooper and Foley part of the senior leadership group who led the push to sit on it.
      I don’t believe it was Hooper’s call to eventually come clean to Cheika. I reckon Genia and Pocock forced the issue, and gave him the chance as captain to fess up, or they would do it.

      Regardless, that little inner sanctum of the inner sanctum seem to be toxic to the Wallabies.

      • laurence king

        Who knows, but this was known before the Italian game and yet that pair got to play, and that’s a disgrace.

        • Bakkies

          and plain moronic.

  • Nicholas Wasiliev

    On a side note, interesting news for the reason Kurtley and AAC were cut.

    *puts tin foil hat on*

    Even though the leadership group were the ones who decided their fate, the fact they even did it is interesting. By all accounts it’s been an unhappy camp all year, and considering one of Cheika’s pros was that he had the squad behind him, what does this event say about that apparent truth?

    *takes foil hat off*

    • laurence king

      We only have Cheika’s word for it that he wasn’t already aware of the issue, if he didn’t I bet everybody else did, including the young blokes.

      • Old_Laurentian

        Cheika puts on German helmet and adopts Sargeant Schultz accent…
        “I know nothing… “

        • onlinesideline

          wasnt that Colonel Klink ?

        • donktec

          it was Schultz!

        • onlinesideline

          ur right – klink had the eye glass

    • Who?

      Keep the tinfoil hat on, Nick!

  • Bernie Chan

    Iff the reports of the Beale/AAC incident are correct, then this is bloody disgraceful. Hooper only told Cheika 10 days after the players breached team protocols…? Then they get to play against Italy…? And Cheika wanted to keep it under wraps….? AAC was brought in supposedly for his ‘leadership’…he was going to help the younger players…Well, he has form as he was part of the Dublin group that Link stood down for breaking team rules, and wasn’t that a precursor to the ‘player power’ agitation to get Link…? Beale also has form as he was central to the Di Patson incident where he objected to being told he was inappropriately dressed on a tour flight.For fucks sake…these guys get paid bloody decent money to play a game and wear our National colours. The very least they could do is follow the rules…If Cheika thought that keeping it under wraps… was a good idea then he is worse than I thought.

  • Brisneyland Local

    Cheika has admitted that this would have remained covered up had it not been for the continual questions from the media.
    1. What the fuck? Cheika should be sacked imediately! For that alone. Trying to cover up a player discipline issue. The fact that it is two of his Waratah love children.
    2. Obviously some one in the player grouping is very unhappy and leaking. And so should they be when there is one standard for one set of players and a nother for the love children.
    3. It doesnt matter that the rule break involved a family member. A set of rules is a set of rules. Break it, suffer the consequence.
    4. This team is not a harmonious playing group.
    5. AAC has form in this area, being part of the Dublin crew. He should know better. Bought in for his leadership and example to the team, and within a week of being bought into the team breaks the rules.
    6. Beale has the worst track record for discipline out of any rugby player in Australia ever! Send him home and tear up his contract immediately.
    Fuck me, if we dont have enough problems we have this. This is the environment and era of Cheika! Fucking disgraceful.

    • Bernie Chan

      Didn’t Pulver want to sack Beale after the Di Patson incident? Would have been the best thing Pulver did for rugby…

      • Brisneyland Local

        Pulver tried and was not backed by the board. Infact he was told clearly, you sack him you are gone too!

        • Bernie Chan

          A friggin pathetic board…hasn’t improved much though…

        • Brisneyland Local

          I think this will be the incident that breaks the camels back. Same players, same leadership failures. If it is now not absolutely evident that there is a seperate Waratah rule, it never will be!

        • Brisneyland Local

          Damn straight

        • Bakkies

          That would have been two good things to happen in one hit.

    • Custard Taht

      Nothing will become of this, and this will lead to nothing. As Cheika said “It is only a minor rule”, so don’t hold your breath waiting for RA to take further action.

      If pressed on the issue, RA/Castle will just say something like this:

      We are aware of the minor breach of team protocols. We are satisfied that Michael Cheika and the leadership group have handled the matter internally, and that the 1 match ban is sufficient punishment. We believe the matter to be resolved and fully support Michael Cheika and the leadership group, and look forward to next year and the Rugby world Cup.

      • laurence king

        Or it might just be the excuse that is needed to ditch him. Goodness sake, let’s hope that someone has then intestinal fortitude to act appropriately.

        • Custard Taht

          I hope it is, but just can’t see RA giving damn. They have shown nothing to date that suggests they have any fortitude. They have the heads firmly buried in the sand.

      • Brisneyland Local

        I think that will be the initial push. But the Wallaby old boys like Slack, Ella,Burke and co will be baying for blood.

        • Custard Taht

          I hope so, but not optimistic.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Me too but there is an ex-Wallaby in my morning ride group tmw moorning so will see what he says. But knowing him, he will be pissed.

    • Old_Laurentian

      “Send Beale home and tear up his contract”. Should have been done years ago. Then we might even still have Ewen McKenzie. And Quade Cooper.

      • Brisneyland Local

        Agree. I think and have said many a time, and was panned publically on this site for saying that Beale is a piece of shit and should have been kicked into touch the moment he punched his captain out when he was at Rebels drunk on the team bus, in a match he didnt even play in.

  • Old_Laurentian

    I bet Ewan McKenzie is smiling ruefully. Same old, same old. Beale and AAC again,

    And why did Hooper leave it so late to take it to the headmaster? Cheika of course was then left with no option but to take some action. If, (and it’s a big if) the situation was as innocent as it is reported, wouldn’t an appropriate response have been for Hooper to have a quiet but firm word in their ears? At the time. Or did he do that and been told to f*** off? So many bad messages here re the team culture and the captaincy, and obviously a lot we don’t know. Seems like the final straw.

    • Brisneyland Local

      If they had dealt with it the morning it happened. Fine the players 100% of their match fees. And did it publically, it is done and dusted. Now it looks like shit, smells like shit, tastes like shit. It was a good thing they didnt step in it.

      • Old_Laurentian

        I think they rolled in it, not just stepped in it!

        • Brisneyland Local

          Pure gold!

      • Bakkies

        Wasn’t the RA getting a kicking two weeks ago for sweeping the Longstaff review under the carpet? Two bad stories would have been on their ‘table.’

        • Brisneyland Local

          Yep. I just watched the news and they are giving them a kicking. Cheika admitted lying to the media. This isnt going to play out well.

        • Bakkies

          What news service is this?

        • Brisneyland Local

          Channel 7

        • Bernie Chan

          How can a leader possibly think that sweeping things under the carpet is a good idea, or lying….Rugby is definitely newsworthy right now, but for all the wrong reasons.

  • Wish Mr. Ceika and the team well tonight – that is to say ‘I hope they can win’ to restore some pride. With the original team selected (no Thor, No Beale, No Andrews) I thought it would be a mountain to climb. NOW without Pocock it is like Mt. Everest. Good luck. Hope I wake up to success.

  • sambo6

    Well GAGRs….i’ve just booked my cab to get to twickenham today. Sadly I don’t think there’s enough beer in south-west London to blot out the rogering the poms are going to give us. i’ll give it a good nudge though…..

  • Patrick

    Well I’m a sucker for gold (and pain), I’m now going to the pub to watch this with my sons and a heap of bloody poms. If you aren’t already praying for Aus rugby pray for me! :(

    • Patrick

      F$%^ me dead. Fast if possible

      • Patrick

        So this is Australia without Pocock…

  • I Should be Coach

    Headlines tomorrow – “Brave Aussies go down but really trained well this week”

    It should read – “Cheika finally admits he is at a loss and steps down immediately”

    I swear to the man upstairs that in my day I was a better player than Foley. What a useless passenger. As with everything in life – timing is everything.

    Get rid of MC/Foley/Beale/ACC. Bring in QC. Build the team around QC and Pocock. If this means that the $6m dollar man is on the bench because our team is just not balanced right – so be it.

    Good news though – season is over and I didn’t go into cardiac arrest. I was close though.

    • subfreq

      Metres Run England 408 – Australia 390. The self appointed running rugby team couldn’t even win that stat.

      • I Should be Coach

        Yep. Take that last run that DHP did and the stat is not good at all.

        • Geoffro

          DHP ! what a Jekyll and Hyde performance .For him to make metres like that towards the end shows the Poms weren’t really interested

        • I Should be Coach

          Very true on DHP. Showed great skills in some areas and very weak on others. D was shiite

        • Geoffro

          He showed heart but his tackling technique is poor and lucky he didn’t get hurt a couple times

        • I Should be Coach

          For sure. There was that one tackle he tried that he ended on his ass. How he didn’t get completely ko’d is beyond belief.

        • Geoffro

          Well,I’m KO’d after watching that Think I’ll go back to bed and cry myself to sleep :(

      • Custard Taht

        In defence of the Wallabies, those running stats only include meters gained. If they concluded lateral meters, the Wallabies run meters would be 2.4km.

    • Geoffro

      Was Foley even on the park ? The backs were shit and the AB’s or Ireland would have easily put 60 past that lot today.A few of the forwards , Rodda,Dempsey,Hooper,(Genia) and Keps tried but what a shitshow England never got out of second gear.

      • I Should be Coach

        Totally agree. England were shit. That’s the most worrisome thing out there. NZ easily would have put 60 on us. What a waste of a year. It would have been so great to blood some new guys.

        • Geoffro

          Yeah,Maddocks started out OK but got lost in the mire,if he’d been on the end of a decent backline he would have gone well.Maybe try him closer in at some stage, we really need to find a decent flyhalf somewhere.Quade maybe. Toomua was poor and isn’t the answer at 10.Really was sad to watch

        • I Should be Coach

          Yep. Have to build a backline around QC. I just don’t get it. A QC bad day is on par with a good Foley day – which is rare.

        • Geoffro

          Yeah,I reckon he would have found a few holes in them today.Best performance by a flyhalf on the day was Kepu’s ball to Folau for his first try..very Quadish.

        • I Should be Coach

          That was sublime. He does have pretty good hands for a big fella. Also what hasn’t been discussed yet is a total lack of breakdown pressure. We truly only have one fetcher – Pocock. Besides a couple of balls ripped – I don’t think we had one steal. To me we didn’t even look like we were going to get one.

        • Geoffro

          I reckon they’re too reliant on Poey now.Samu is kak isn’t he ? the only good thing he did was that ripped ball.

        • I Should be Coach

          Definitely. No wonder he is getting pummeled each week. Opposition teams only really need to focus on him. It’s pretty simple to coach against him – you just tell your players that if he isn’t anywhere near the ruck then don’t commit.

        • Geoffro

          Well,we really missed him today.The only thing we had going for us was forward defence though the lineout surprised a bit too but you need possession to win a game eh

        • I Should be Coach

          Line out was surprising. I think we only lost one from an overthrow.

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