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Friday’s Rugby News sees Dan McKellar hopes for the future, WR upping their offer! Uelese found dark places, the Crusaders robbed and a random feature image from Stephen Tremain.


 

 

SUPER RUGBY ON FTA!

Dan McKellar

We’ve all said it and thought it for years but, finally, someone high up in the rugby community has said it.

SUPER RUGBY NEEDS TO BE ON FREE TO AIR.

Quick! Go set off the fireworks, let the church bells ring. say a prayer to your false idols. The truth will set us all free.

McKellar says the crucial next step is getting the game into every home in Australia and not just the 30 per cent which have subscriptions to Super Rugby broadcaster Foxtel.

The next television deal will be negotiated from 2021 onwards and McKellar said it was paramount to get games on a free-to-air network.

“Get it on free-to-air, definitely get it on free-to-air. Whoever is doing the next television deal, make sure that happens so that all the kids have access to see the best players running around,” McKellar said.

“Your (David) Pocock’s, your (Christian) Lealiifano’s, your (Scott) Sio’s, Quade Cooper, Henry Speight … all these sorts of players, we’ve got to make sure every little boy and girl in the country has access to them and aspires to play rugby union.

“At the moment we’re sort of hidden away. Fox are tremendous in their support of the game but I think free-to-air would certainly be a real positive change.”

The Brumbies came under criticism for their game style by former player Justin Harrison earlier this month and McKellar said it was time the rugby community banded together.

“Just talk positively about the game. We’ve got rugby union people that are bashing rugby union, like why are we doing that?” McKellar said.

“We’re starting to see the benefits of four teams and two Australian sides might sneak into the finals. We’ve got a World Cup this year … let’s start talking about the good things and the footy instead of worrying about beating ourselves up all the time.

“All we can do is perform well on weekends and put on a good product for our fans … then hopefully they’ll come back and drag a few more people along.

“People love the game, it’s the people that are sort of 50-50 that sit on the fence. At the moment they’re on the other side of the fence and we have to bring them back.”

WORLD RUGBY WILLING TO PAY MORE!

I guess that really means In-front Media has upped their offer and World Rugby are trying everything they can to get people interested.

This from Stuff.co.nz

World Rugby has upped the ante in an attempt to secure agreement for its controversial Nations Championship proposal by increasing the original offer of £5 billion ($9.7 billion) to the competing countries over the next 12 years.

It is understood that an increased offer was made during discussions at the World Rugby council meeting in Dublin on Wednesday

It is unclear whether the increased offer from In-front Media, the backers of World Rugby’s proposal, will be enough to convince the sceptics within the Six Nations. The Rugby Football Union was thought to remain “open-minded” about the plan.

Discussions will continue and if progress can be made, a World Rugby council meeting will be convened at short notice next month to vote on whether it will be approved.

Frankly, there’s a lot more than money to sort out than money to get the Nations Championship up. Travel issues and relegation have to be sorted before anything happens.

 

UELESE TALKS ABOUT DARK TIMES

Jordan Uelese

Jordan Uelese has opened up in a great article by Iain Payten on rugby.com.au Uelese talks about his love of rugby from an incredibly young age, his knee injury and the dark places it took him. There’s also the most adorable photo of a two-year-old Uelese in an under six team photo

In 2017 Uelese was a wallaby bolter playing two tests and a game against the Baa Baa’s. He followed that up with a strong 2018 super rugby season and was again named for the Wallabies for the June tests against Ireland. But that was where disaster struck when Uelese tore his ACL the day before Wallaby camp.

What came next was eleven months of recovery and rehab.

“That (injury) was pretty tough, I won’t lie. I was pretty heartbroken and I was in a pretty dark place for a long time,” Uelese said.

After finally getting back on the paddock for Gordon in Sydney club rugby two weeks ago, Uelese returned for the Melbourne Rising in a curtain-raiser clash against the Japanese Wolfpack (alongside his brother Junior).

He has flown to Tokyo this week with the Rebels as one of three hookers, along with Anaru Rangi and Hugh Roach, and may make his long-awaited return to Super Rugby on Saturday; almost a year on from his injury.

Now seeing the “light at the end of the tunnel”  has allowed Uelese to let go of the devastation of last June.

“It’s been a rollercoaster. I first did my knee the day before going into the June series, where I’d been named and was poised to play a couple of games there,” he said.

“So coming off that real high, I was pretty shattered with your whole expectations of the year crashing to the ground. I was pretty grateful my parents where there for me pushing me through the tough times.”

“I won’t lie, there are times when I dropped my head and cut corners, and thought, ‘I don’t want to be here’,” he said.

“In rehab, you are not really with the team. You are off at the gym, doing stuff with physios. You are by yourself and you are isolated. You are in a dark tunnel.

“But it is something I have learned how to deal with, and I wouldn’t be here now probably without the support of my teammates and my family. It was hard but I am kind of grateful at the same time.

 

MARIUS ROBS THE CRUSADERS.

2019-reds-v-crusaders-double-header-9

It’s minutes to go in the Crusaders away game against the Stormers and the Kiwis are 19-16. Braydon Ennor pops out to the right and fires a pass to Sevu Reece who chips, chases and regathers to score a beautiful try in the corner. The try is awarded and the kicker lines up his shot when Jonkers pipes up and says “I’m going to show you a forward pass,” 

About now I say to Mrs Sully, ‘the Crusaders are about to get robbed.’ She says something about lines and I launch into a physics and geometry lecture and suggest she looks at Ennor’s hands when he passes the ball.

And then.

After a couple of replays – both from the same view – were shown, Jonker said: “So, we have a forward pass, it’s clear and obvious evidence of a forward pass.”

No, Marius, it wasn’t clear or obvious! It was vague and murky.

Sanzaar’s definition of a forward pass is as followsWhen a player throws or passes the ball forward i.e. if the arms of the player passing the ball move forward.

As Sanzaar’s confirmation to the Crusaders the decision was incorrect confirms, Ennor’s hands were going backwards when he fired the pass wide to Reece.

“It’s a momentum game. Look, they [Sanzaar] just cleared up that the ruling was wrong,” Crusaders coach Scott Robertson said of the call late in the 19-19 draw with the Stormers. 

“It would be a pretty tough game of rugby [if you had] to stand still and pass backwards.”

 

  • IIPA

    So I went and read the stuff article relating to the Crusaders no try decision and the scariest part is the line:

    “Jonkers will be a TMO at this year’s World Cup”.

    I won’t call him a cheat…. let’s just say he’s an incompetent narcissist.

    • Geoffro

      To suggest that Jonker with his experience didn’t know the definiton the same as the multitude of viewers who told the tv that it went backwards out of his hands to a player that was behind him is just ludicrous.I’ve no idea what reason he called a forward pass when he had the benefit of the same vision as everyone else or why the onfield ref didn’t pipe up (they show the replays on the big screen at the ground don’t they).but crusaders have good reason to be pissed off

      • A Dingo Stole My Rugby

        I have no issue with the debate over whether the pass was forward or not, although my personal view tallies with the vast majority.

        Where I think Jonkers’ actions and advice are highly questionable, at best, is his declaration of it being “clear and obvious”. Can we get our hands on some of what he was smoking?

        • Geoffro

          HAha,when a liar believes his own story he usually backs it up to the hilt.

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      No mate. That’s definitely cheating at that level. He should be pulled from the RWC

      • Geoffro

        Well,ok,lets just give him the Hansie Cronje award for fair play.He’ll only have to travel locally for Egon to hand it over.

        • GeorgiaSatellite

          Ah, Hansie Cronje. World record in cricket for ‘shortest lifetime ban’.

        • Hoss

          And the person i’d least like to sit next too on a plane. Just ahead of John Denver.

        • Greg

          just to clarify, both of those gentlemen had less than perfect landings on their last plane flights.

        • GeorgiaSatellite

          Yeah, they’d probably smell a bit by now. But at least you could claim the arm rest.

      • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

        I would hesitate to call it cheating. To me, cheating implies that he knew the pass wasn’t forward and said it anyway.

        More likely, I suggest he just demonstrated incompetence in that moment. Or at least, I hope so…

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          mate, I think that for anyone who has been around as long as he has it has to be a deliberate act.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          I remember a case a few years ago when DHP did the clearest knock on before Coleman went on to score for the wallabies. The TMO called it back and he and the referee had what felt like an hour long conference about it before deciding it wasn’t a knock on and awarded the try.

          Even Kearns, the most one eyed commentator on earth outside of those two Irish fellas, couldn’t believe it – they cut to Coleman and he started laughing out loud the knock on was so obvious.

          Sometimes, I think there is just inexplicable incompetence. I think I’m good at my job, but sometimes my mind isn’t working as well and I find myself not nearly operating to the best of my abilities.

          I hope it was just a moment of incompetence, but you’re right that after that it is hard to justify his place at the World Cup.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Absolutely mate. And look I know I make a few mistakes in every game I referee. At least according to some spectators I do lol. But, it’s not at this level and I’m not paid for it. There’s no excuse for that sort of mistake at his level and if it is incompetence then he should be pulled

        • Who?

          There’s another issue, though. And that’s whether the TMO protocol was breached. After all the ‘interference’ last year, didn’t they change it so the TMO can’t overcall the ref? Especially when the laws of the game have always clearly stated that the ref is the sole judge of time, law and fact on field.
          That little law doesn’t mean that refs can’t admit they’re wrong, or that guys like TJ won’t try to convince them otherwise, but it means if a ref feels annoyed by TJ, the ref can penalize him, march him 10, and then bin him, if that’s how the ref feels (and TJ keeps going with it).

        • They did, with a few exceptions. The TMO can still alert the referee to incidents of foul and dangerous play. But, although that’s not tightly specified, loosely it’s things that probably merit a YC sanction or higher. The ref may decide not to award a YC when they all look at it slowly, but that’s the basic threshold.

          If the ref refers something to the TMO, they can look for anything within a certain number of phases. I think that varies from competition to competition, but it’s usually 2 or 3.

        • Who?

          That’s what I was thinking Eloise. Two phases back before a try, except for foul play, and TMO’s can overcall – at a break in play – for foul play.
          But they can’t overcall for a suspected forward pass.
          .
          Hope the move’s gone well. :-)

        • It has thanks. We’re starting to get into a routine.

          We’re down to the last couple of boxes of things, well the last that will get unpacked anyway, there’s a box that is full of bags of cables – the essential detritus of living in the 21st Century it seems. Ethernet cables, power cables, HDMI cables, phone extension cables, you name it, they’re in there. And they’re going to stay in there until we need to use them.

          The kitchen, which we never thought we’d get everything into, is still a mess, but we’ve got the extra cupboard up, we’ve sorted out the extra worktop, so that’s coming along, and we’re on top of cooking in there.

          Our next big job… refitting the bathroom. We knew we were going to do it, but now we’re getting settled everywhere else, time to get on with that too. Fun, fun. I think that will mark the end of spending lots of money (thankfully) and the transition from it being a weird place we fall into bed, to somewhere it’s comfortable to sleep and eat (where we are now) into somewhere that starts to feel like home.

        • Who?

          I didn’t pick up how big a reno job was involved in your move… We moved 2 years 8 months ago. Before moving in, we turned a rumpus into a master with ensuite, had the house painted, and the floors done. And we had a shed built. After moving in, I finished the ensuite (tiling, etc), built an office inside the shed, landscaped the front and back yards (drainage, water tanks, turf, pavers, plants, gravel), last Christmas I built a deck… Still yet to renovate the main bathroom…
          .
          It’s great when it’s done (our bathroom’s still functional, hence why it’s not been done yet), but it’s a rough old time while you’re still building! Glad you’re almost done.

        • Geoffro

          There’s the thing that irks me though.There was little to no banter between
          Berry and Jonker or even the touchie who should have had the best view on the angle

        • Nutta

          I would suggest checking betting and bank balances.

        • Greg

          This is the point, I think.

          The ball always traveled backwards wrt to the passer (relativity anyone?). That is obvious to a high school player. What was the confusing part for an international referee?

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          It’s actually not measured against the passer, the definition is about “backwards from the hands” that takes any future movement by the passer out of the play. i.e. he stops, sprints forward, goes sideways etc.

        • Andrew Luscombe

          Yeah, but in this case the passer didn’t change direction or speed, so he’s a reasonable indication that the ball did come backwards out of the hand. Agree that’s the rule is not about what the passer does after the pass, just a visual guideline in this case.

        • Pedro

          Hanlon’s razor.

    • Kevino

      How about when a player takes a drop goal conversion because they know the pass is forward and it won’t allow the TMO to review it. That’s really not in the spirit of the game is it?

    • Damo

      And as a true narcissist, he hits the replay button 20 times, not to provide honest information about the game, but merely to gaze at his own reflection on the monitor.

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        That’s gold. I almost snorted my coffee reading that

  • Hoss

    Greetings Earthlings,

    Gotta love World rugby. The model is flawed so we will offer more money. The model is still flawed so here is even more money. I wonder what the ‘sweet spot’ amount of money is to remove all concerns over the proposed structure. Every body has their price, the rest is just a negotiation.

    Good to see Ueleses back and interesting comments about the solitude of rehab. A lot of players touch on it but he is real honest. Hard to believe there isn’t some sport science behind the mental health aspect of recovery – but will defer to much smarter on here for some insight?

    Incompetent Saffa refs – how dare you ! Next thing you know people will be saying we have a Nearlies side ‘pushing the boundaries’ of the laws, or that Nigel Owens eyes are two different colours – black and blacker, I recall the RWC Final – “away with you Schteevun”, contrasted with ‘Are you happy with the calls so far Ritchie, can I help you in any way, neck rub anyone?’

    • Geoffro

      Now that those darn Kiwi’s have been shown to be as homophobic as us Aussies Nigel’s eyes may strike a different hue.I s’pose the psycho science treating going to a dark place after any loss or trauma is applicable to professional sportspeople and their troubles the same as us mere mortalsl.Must be a few Psychologists on the staff of RA and rebs

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        Nah mate, you need to listen to all those conspiracy theories. We’ve got WR and all the referees so far on side that we could post a tweet about them going to hell and we’d still be ok.

        • Hoss

          The truth shall set you free brother. Your amongst friends, it’s a safe space.

        • Until the WC starts anyway

        • Hoss

          No armistice lasts forever!

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Nah, that’ll only be an issue if we meet in a match. Not much chance of that unless there are BIG changes

        • ouch.
          Only wish I could disagree

        • Hoss

          That’s harsh – your side should make the quarters – even with 4 French ref’s.

          Chin up.

        • I feel its starting already…
          That ANZAC bond could be under duress in the ensuing months..

        • Hoss

          Yep, the Kiwis need us – otherwise all their left with is ANUS……..

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          That’s gold

        • Im still lost for words after that burn from KRL… Ill make a coffee

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Not at all. It’s always been together alone mate

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Never mate. We’ve been through shit for years but the ANZAC spirit always wins

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Hahahaha Probably more of an issue than I think we are accepting at the moment. I think all of them hold grudges from both 1987 and 2011 that 2007 didn’t resolved.

        • Damo

          And Rainbow Warrior…!!

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          hahahah true. Funnily enough I met the female part of that team in France when I was in. She was actually a really nice person. Just doing her job

        • Who?

          I’m amazed she admits to it… Could easily understand if she chose not to tell anyone her role. Just doing her job, but that doesn’t mean others would treat her that way.

        • Geoffro

          yeah,everyone loves a winner damn you

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      As you say, there is a price people will accept and by all accounts they have big pockets. It’ll be interesting to see how this pans out and what further funds become available.

  • Custard Taht

    For this week, wins for Brumbies and Rebels, and losses for Reds and Waratahs.

    As for the Saffa refs and tmo’s, I find them to be a weekly highlight. I enjoy seeing them invent new ways to out do their colleagues, and influence the outcome of a game. They are not cheating, they are just pushing the boundaries.

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      See just like Richie. Nice to see someone over here get it finally

      • Greg

        @KRL
        We get it.
        You know we get.

        Just as we know you got the sarcasm above!
        :-)

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Yeah but on this site if I let it go my friends baaabara and Meeery will smash me

    • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

      Jouber and van der I can’t spell Westehuizen are quality.

      • Geoffro

        Joubert ??? Last time I recall one of his howlers he had to run off the field under escort at the end of the game

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          All referees make mistakes? He made one mistake as to who touched the ball last, and wasn’t able to use the TMO to check the call. Look at Barnes, who had a huge clanger despite being a truly fantastic referee.

        • Geoffro

          He’s retired now I believe but you’d also be hard pressed to convince the French he was a decent ref after the 2011 WC final as he chose to ignore blatant illegal play by the AB’s.I don’t really call that mistaken reffing.

        • Who?

          Don’t think many Kiwis love him, either, after not taking action against Rougerie for gouging Richie…

        • Patrick

          Ok, after Richie took out Parra??? Rougerie, Picamoles and Dusatoir did what the rest of the team should have been doing and stood right up all day that match, just as McCaw did for the ABs.

        • Who?

          I’m not debating who’s right or wrong, just pointing out that no one had much love for Craig that day.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          That was a tournament in which referees were letting everything go. It was a strange one.

        • Who?

          The only ref who followed the IRB Directions in that tourney was Allain Rolland, who’s been defamed from pillar to post for correctly giving Warburton a RC ever since!

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          The mistake isn’t the issue. As you say we all do that. But at that level a statement like “it was a clear forward pass” needs more behind it

  • Nutta

    Oh how I adore the obvious in life:

    FTA – Would you rather be seen by 1 devout person who already committed themselves or 10 passer-by’s who might commit themselves? Well if I am NSWRU and/or live east of ANZAC Pde I choose option 1. I’m not allowing ungodly commercial exposure to potentially open the gates to the unwashed filth to smudge my Precious. The rest of the known universe…?

    Nations Championship – People who stand to make a motza being willing to spend a tiny bit more cash to make battle-ship of cash? Bugger me that’s novel.

    Self-important people interfering? Well I recall an idiotic pop-tune wailing ‘Aint no party like a West coast party!’ to which I reply ‘There aint no Ref like a Jarpy Ref!’

    • You can lead a horse to water…or send them to the knackers

    • Geoffro

      At least twiggy has made rr free to air but must admit felt like I was watching 15 a side sevens when watching last weeks Fiji v Samoa match

      • Is a much faster game.
        Prob get yelled at, but watched a few RR games then went to watch SR and got bored after 10mins.
        Still not sure what that means…

        • Geoffro

          Whatever floats yer boat of course but I still enjoy the tactical kicking,set piece lineouts etc of the standard game

        • A few weeks ago I would have agreed with you, not so sure anymore.
          Maybe I was bored because it was the 4th game in one sitting and needed air

        • Geoffro

          Yep,you were just overloaded and jaded.Maybe need to get into the condensed replays Kayo sports are providing.

  • Kiwi rugby lover

    Thanks Sully,

    FTA would be fantastic. Let’s hope it’s not like that pathetic attempt a few years ago where you got one game on Sunday after it was already played. The games need to be live to be worthwhile and I’m sure they’d be popular. Maybe like a lot of things it’ll take the crash and burn of RA with no money and not able to be propped up by the Sydney bigwigs that’ll force the changes this game needs here in Australia.

    I find it interesting that all of rugby over here seems to ignore the mental side of the game so much. I personally think that it is the main reason why there are so many brain fades o the field and why so many good people have such fluctuating performances. It is even stranger that there is none of that sort of assistance to those in long term rehab as why anyone would think it’s not an issue is beyond me. Glad to see Ueleses get back and hope he keeps improving as he has the potential to be a pretty dynamic player.

    Ha! Up you SA. Live your dreams with your cheating referees but know that in every game where they aren’t there you are going to crash and burn big time. I Don’t know why the SARFU don’t get onto this as while it looks good in the short term they must know that it’ll actually prevent their temas, especially their national team from reaching their potential.

    • Who?

      KRL, we still get a game each week. Sunday morning, 8 or 9am.
      We also get ‘Super Rugby Wrap’, with Louise, Drew and usually Hoilesy. That airs 3 or 4 times through the week at odd times of day on the old ONE (whatever it is now – 10 Bold..?).

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        I actually didn’t know that. I’ve forked out for Foxtel so record those I can’t watch and let my wife lie in on a Sunday while I get up and watch the games

        • Kayo is no doubt the go for sports, as long as you have reliable internet.
          Cheaper and replays.
          Just my opinion

        • Geoffro

          Just changed to Kayo.Like the features and is cheaper (by a few bucks) plus got a couple months at a cheap rate through telstra.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Yeah one I’ll be chasing when I deploy to Korea for 6 months in October

        • Who?

          If you’re going to be in Korea…..
          RugbyPass..?

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          I’m doing a reservist role. 6 months with the UN in Korea. Find out more in Aug

        • Who?

          I figured you’d be with the UN. Let’s hope big Donny and Lil Kim stay civil… If they do, should be a good trip, I’d reckon. :-)
          .
          But I was suggesting maybe, if you’re overseas, look at RugbyPass. Cheaper than Kayo, and carrying pretty well all the Rugby you could ever want (except in Australia, where they don’t have any SH rights).

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Thanks. I’ll look into it. One of my mates is a CEO over there and I’m hoping for semi or final tickets through him

        • Who?

          I don’t blame you mate – no one watches it, it’s never publicised, it’s not on a ‘main’ channel.

  • Pedro

    Yeah that’s a terribly bad call on the forward pass. I mean if they called it live you’d stomach it, but even on the replay the passer remains in front of the ball untill reception. The ref should be stood down for a lack of understanding at least. and possible corruption.

    Go to 4 min to see it

    https://youtu.be/tnVoV-_9VGU

    • Greg

      fair try and great play

  • Crescent

    FTA coverage – oh we can dream. Of course, we can expect to be heartily rolled by laughing Foxtel execs while they offer their pittance for the next media deal. I still remember the frustration of being shown one Super rugby game around 11:30pm, preferably of two teams no one gave a shit about in the city of broadcast. Good luck getting the game to a broader audience – we can’t even look out for juniors in the largest population base for…. oh, I am just preaching to the converted. Any avid reader of Nutta’s posts will know what I am banging on about.

    McKellar is bang on the money – we need to hit a broader audience (while taking a gigantic broom to the NSW and QLD administrations) as a start to revitalise the code.

    Changing gears, recognizing the Saffa refs have worked hard to destroy their reputations – how is it we get “blessed” with Peyper and Seconds for the Bulls game here, but cannot appear to afford neutral refs for matches in the republic? Another self inflicted gun shot wound to the code…..

    Might have put the cranky pants on today, if I can get my godawful loaner laptop to work, I may end up coming in off a long run up – hard to rant through the phone

    • Brisneyland Local

      Mate as a profound contributor off the long run up, I wholeheartedly endorse rants off the long run up. Get it on!

      • GO THE Q REDS

        Good for the soul!

        • Brisneyland Local

          Yes, and is truly my greatest strength in communicating! ;-)

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          And fun to read

    • Keith Butler

      Should be neutral refs for all games except local derby’s. Removes any ambiguity.

      • Who?

        Even local derbies. You can’t tell me that a NSWelshman would be happy with a Qlder reffing the Festival of Hate?

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Bahahawahaha

        • Greg

          Get Mr Seconds? He wouldn’t know who to penalise!

        • GO THE Q REDS

          He clearly goes by the name slipped to him pregame….

  • juswal

    When Australian teams are dudded by a ref’s call, they’re told to take the game out of the referee’s hands and win by playing better.

    When the Crusaders are dudded by a ref’s call, the SANZAAR Wahmbulance arrives to sacrifice the ref.

    • Patrick

      Shades of Paddy O’Bastard jumping in for the precious little 124kg AB props after the Italians bent them into pretzels

  • Jason

    Apparently the then ARU and NZRU wanted some games on FTA but SARU insisted that they would only be PTV.

  • Greg

    Just noting we are now 1.5 days IFF (Israel Folau Free) and actually back on the rugby…. well the refs actually….

    • Who?

      DON’T TEMPT FATE!!!!! :-P
      Come on, admit it, you’re missing it. :-P

    • Hoss

      A poof, a drunk and a rooter walk into a bar…….

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        I could be either of the last two

    • Who?

      You had to tempt fate. Now Cameron Clyne’s come out and said the game’s suffered reputational damage. Please…
      .
      The game’s clearly come out as they wish to be seen, and the game has suffered much worse reputational damage from Mr Clyne’s efforts in ‘running’ (or ruining?) the game.

      • Greg

        “Cameron Clyne’s come out”??

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Hahahahaha

        • Who?

          Thankfully not – we’d all be accused of being homophobic for the fact that we have no respect for him, and constantly denigrate him…

  • Bobas

    This is when the TMO couldn’t review themselves and Jonker was the on field referee.

    Jonker has been a cheat for a long time. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/23b7ff04c5b668b54f2012e053bba6c2eb81b14deb521414b40fa98f6f89098b.gif

    • Bobas

      and who can forget Shaun Veldsman

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pK3MEJPvgz4

      • Greg

        It was debatable if the gold play was illegal. It could be argued he was trying to get into position to support his man. Either way the black player was burned.

        On the other hand… if we made better decisions more often…. it wouldn’t matter!

        • Bobas

          It doesn’t have to be argued, he’s allowed to run behind his own player with the ball.

        • GO THE Q REDS

          And your allowed to bump and shoulder side by side too! Speight was too far in front regardless anyway! Poor decision….

        • Who?

          The issue is that DHP changed his line. So there’s a technical penalty there. Though any ref with any form of feel for the game wouldn’t pay it, especially given Savea had effectively taken out DHP and held him off his line when the initial break was made…
          .
          But ‘the world’s best ref Nigel Owens’ (I never held that view – Barnes was always better in my eyes) chose to be directed by an incompetent TMO. There was no argument back from Owens, no consideration that DHP had equally been put off by Savea, no consideration of the fact that Speight was gone and not to be caught by Savea regardless of DHP’s actions.
          .
          But why are we surprised by refereeing incompetence anymore? So often, it seems the less competent a referee is, the more likely to be promoted.

        • Bobas

          He’s in a position to receive a pass he can certainly change his line, he has just as much right to chase the play as Savea does and he doesn’t take him out they both want to occupy the same space and bump each other.
          The Kiwi comms are right on the Video.

        • Who?

          He has a right to change his line, but he doesn’t have a right to change his line to a blocking run, which is what the line became. But it’s like a ruck – there’s six offences in each one (minimum), you only penalize things that would make a difference. And given Savea was losing ground, and had already impeded DHP (arms back at the defensive line), it’s an offence that’s minimal, irrelevant, balanced by countering offences, and therefore an offence a ref with feel would ignore.
          .
          It’s like the try the Reds scored a few years before that where Pocock wanted to tackle the ball carrier, but there was a Red in the way. I can’t remember if the scorer or the blocker was Digby, but Digby was definitely involved in it. Pocock was a lot closer to making the tackle than Savea here. There was a massive blow up about it, with Pocock clearly blocked from making the tackle, however, the support runner was behind the ball carrier, clearly in a position to receive a pass and didn’t change his line. The try stood, and most complaints were after the game (I think it may even have been very early 2013, before the knee injury, because I thought Pocock was in Brumbies colours…).

        • Geoffro

          Commonsense should have prevailed.If a ref can decide on the evidence leading to a penalty try he can certainly make a call to overrule the minor technical interference that had no bearing on whether the try was going to be scored or not but I suppose we’ve seen plenty of cases of alleged interference (and non forward passes) pulled up denying deadset tries

        • Geoffro

          Prior to Owens ascension , Peiper was considered the best by IRB.Try to get your head around that

        • Who?

          Jaco did have a few good games back in the day. Still has the odd good one. Jaco’s problems are that he’s regularly (at Super level) reffing another local team, and beyond that you don’t know which Jaco’s going to turn up. There’s two Jaco’s – one’s a really good ref, the other bloke’s crazy!
          I don’t think Owens is terrible, I just think he was a bit overrated. Barnes was always better.

        • Geoffro

          I s’pose it’s subjective.I’ve personally felt that Peiper is a bit biased towards Aussie teams while we’ve copped a far better deal from Barnes.

        • Who?

          On a good day, Jaco communicates well, he’s generally jovial… On a bad day, Jaco enters the field looking stormy, goes to the whistle for anything and everything, and no one has a clue what’s just happened.
          .
          Owens is good the first week you play under him, but he seems to remember last week’s infringements as if they were part of this game. So, if you’ve played the previous two weeks under him, the other team gets a clean sheet, whereas it feels like you’re on a warning from two weeks ago. 2012 was so frustrating – he treated Sharpie so rudely, behaved as if every offence in each game was a repeated offence (because it’d happened the previous week(s)… Whereas opponents were able to get away with the same offences, because Owens had picked up on our offending tendencies, but hadn’t done the same for the opposition.
          .
          Barnes, you can tell when he’s grumpy when he starts a game, but you always know exactly what’s going on. Good day or bad, he’s always clear, always willing to explain further. There’s no question he’s the boss, but he’s a benevolent dictator. He understands that if he clams up and doesn’t explain things, then his own job will be harder, as players will continue to do things he doesn’t like. Whereas Peyper in that situation shuts up and just blows his whistle more frequently. But Barnes is also more level than Jaco – he’s rarely as happy as Jaco might be, but he’s also way less likely to get grumpy.

        • Geoffro

          You make good points.The residual memory and perception reminds me of the way the poorly performing Wallaby scrum of some years ago was treated by most all refs who were just blowing them up all the time based on the bad rep.

        • Happyman

          Your on f$#king drugs mate take off your eyepatch and watch the game.

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        Was waiting for that one

    • Geoffro

      The winger stopping in his stride for the call is a dead giveaway,jonker must have shouted at him to just keep running

      • Bobas

        Even the sideline official you can see pressing his radio to tell Marius…

      • Andrew Luscombe

        Everyone from both teams stop in their stride.

    • Bobas
      • Greg

        White 22 coming in through the gate?

        • Bobas

          hard when the referee is

        • Greg

          While this is absolutely true…. he didn’t impede 22 :-)

      • Who?

        I’ve seen refs reach to grab passes before, but I’ve never previously seen one looking to clean out in a ruck!

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