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Friday’s Rugby News sees Uraguay slaying giants, Hodge having no framework, Aon 7s and, the next generation on show!


 

 

The Biggest Upset In RWC History

Just when everyone thought week one of RWC 2019 was going to follow the script. Just when punters had started to say ‘Rugby’s boring every game just goes with whoever is seeded highest. Fiji coach John McKee thought it was safe to change 13 of the starting side that played against Australia.

And Rugby minow Uruguay spotted their chance and grabbed it with both hands sneaking past Fiji 30 points to 27 yesterday at the Kamaishi Recovery Stadium.

I’ve got to say it was my favourite moment in this World Cup so far.

Uruguay’s captain Juan Gaminara broke down in tears at the end of the game, saying: “We are not the biggest, we are not the tallest but we came here to win.”

“Since we qualified, we have been thinking about this game and you saw the passion. I’m really proud,” added Gaminara, whose squad contains several players with semi-professional status.

The thrilling game had a much deeper significance as it was played in Kamaishi, one of the towns hardest-hit by the 2011 earthquake and tsunami that devastated northeastern Japan.

The stadium, the only purpose-built venue at the Rugby World Cup, was built on the site of a school destroyed by the waves and hosting the match was seen as a powerful sign of recovery.

 As Japan’s Crown Prince Akishino looked on, the crowd observed a moment’s silence to remember the more than 1,000 people killed in the tsunami, several children in the crowd removing their caps and bowing their heads in prayer.

The Pacific islanders, who were seen as an outside bet to cause a shock of their own in Pool D that includes Wales and Australia, were left to rue a comedy of errors including several relatively simple missed kicks.

A disconsolate captain Dominiko Waqaniburotu said: “Everything went wrong today. It’s not the result we wanted. It’s not how we wanted the game to go today. We underestimated a very good Uruguay team.”

Hodge Unaware Of High Tackle Framework

Reece Hodge  scores

In the official release from Reece Hodge’s Judicial hearing, one paragraph stands out.

The Player conceded that he had no effective knowledge of WR’s “Decision making framework for high tackles”; had not been trained on it; was not across it because the tackles he makes are predominantly in the waist to knees area. (To the Panel, this was of some general concern; and will
be commented on later).

Basically Hodge has no idea how World Rugby judges how dangerous a high tackle is! This raises a few questions for me,

  • How is it possible for a Wallaby player not to be aware of WR’s high tackle framework?
  • How many Australian Super Rugby and Wallaby players have been made aware of the Framework?
  • Why hasn’t Rugby Australia made it clear to their players their responsibility in these situations?

Dangerous Tackle – Question Trail

1. Was this a tackle or a shoulder charge?

2. If a tackle, was it “dangerous”? (Law 9.13: “Dangerous tackling includes…tackling or
attempting to tackle an opponent above the line of the shoulders even if the tackle
starts below the line of the shoulders”).

3. If it was a dangerous tackle, then is it illegal? i.e. was that dangerous component of the tackle intentional or reckless or accidental?

4. If illegal, applying the World Rugby “Decision making framework for high tackles”, did that dangerous tackle cause head/neck contact?

Such contact, the framework suggests, is to be identified by:
(a) clear evidence of contact to ball carrier’s head/neck; or
(b) the ball carrier’s head visibly moves backwards from the contact point; or (c) the
ball carrier requires an HIA.

5. What was the degree of danger? The framework suggests one should look at 3
factors: Preparation, Contact and Follow through.

Preparation: does the tackler
(a) draw his arm back prior to contact?
(b) leave the ground?
(c) swing his arm forward prior to contact?

Contact:
(a) is tackler attempting an active/dominant tackle; or a passive/soak, or pulling out?
(b) is tackler’s speed and/or acceleration into tackle high?
(c) does a rigid arm or elbow make contact with ball carrier’s head as part of a
swinging motion?

Follow through:
does tackler complete the tackle (as opposed to immediate release/withdrawal)?

6. Is there any mitigation as to the tackle and the contact? The framework states the
following factors should be considered:

(a) were both players in open space with tackler having either clear line of sight and/or time before contact?
(b) is there clear and obvious evidence that the tackler made a definite attempt to change height in order to avoid the ball carrier’s head?
(c) is there clear and obvious evidence that the ball carrier suddenly drops in height
(e.g. earlier tackle, trips, dives to score)?
(d) is there clear and obvious evidence that the tackler was unsighted prior to contact?
(e) is there clear and obvious evidence that this was a ‘reactionary’ tackle’,
immediate release?
(f) is there clear and obvious evidence that the contact was indirect (i.e. starts elsewhere on the body, slips/moves up resulting in minor contact to head/neck?

7. Has the red card test been met?

 

AON Uni 7s Heads To The Goldy

Look, I know the world cup is on and there is rugby on the TV all the time right now but, there’s also a lot of other rugby being played all over the place. Case in point, the Aon Uni 7’s is on at Bond Uni this weekend!

Hosts Bond University will be looking for redemption after narrowly avoiding a tenth-place finish in round one. Meanwhile, round one champions, the University of Queensland will look to extend their lead as they seek out a second Uni 7s Series victory.

The chasing pack will have plenty to prove this weekend, with vital competition points up for the taking. The first match of U19s Rugby Championship is also set to take place following the opening days matches, making it a super weekend of pathways rugby at Bond University.

2019 URC Champions Brisbane City will take to the field as they look to continue their unbeaten record as they take on 2018 competition runners up Queensland Country.

Every match of round two of the 2019 Aon University Sevens Series will be streamed LIVE and FREE on RUGBY.com.au.

Pool A: University of Queensland, Griffith University, University of Adelaide, University of New England, Bond University
Pool B: University of Technology Sydney, University of Sydney, University of Melbourne, University of Canberra, University of Western Australia

Saturday 28 September
Round 1

University of Queensland v University of Adelaide, 9:00 am
Bond University v Griffith University, 9:20 am
UTS v University of Canberra, 9:40 am
University of Melbourne v University of Sydney, 10:00 am

Round 2:
University of Queensland v Bond University, 11:00 am
Griffith University v UNE, 11:20am
University of Canberra v University of Sydney, 11:40 am
UTS v University of Western Australia, 12:00 pm

Round 3:
University of Adelaide v UNE, 1:00 pm
Griffith University v University of Queensland, 1:20 pm
University of Sydney v University of Western Australia, 1:40 pm
University of Canberra v University of Melbourne, 2:00 pm

Round 4:
University of Adelaide v Bond University, 3:00 pm
University of Queensland v UNE, 3:20 pm
University of Western Australia v University of Melbourne, 3:40 pm
University of Sydney v UTS, 4:00 pm

Sunday 29 September
Round 5:

UNE v Bond University, 9:00 am
Griffith University v University of Adelaide, 9:20 am
University of Melbourne v UTS, 9:40 am
University of Western Australia v University of Canberra, 10:00 am

Semi-Finals:
3rd Pool A v 4th Pool B, 11.00 am
3rd Pool B v 4th Pool A, 11.20 am
1st Pool A v 2nd Pool B, 11.40 am
1st Pool B v 1st Pool A, 12.00 am

Finals:
9th/10th Playoff, 1.00 pm
7th/8th Playoff, 1.25 pm
5th/6th Playoff, 1.50 pm
Bronze Medal Match, 2.15 pm
Gold Medal Match, 2.40 pm

 

 Next Gen in Canberra

There’s a metric crapload of rugby coming up in Canberra as the Junior Rugby Championship and the U19’s Rugby Championship kicks off this weekend.

This from RA:

The tournaments, now both in their second year, will see the next generation of academy, schools and potential Junior Wallabies battle it out in the hope of catching the eye of provincial and national High Performance staff as coaches begin to build their academy squads for 2020.

The URC will begin with a grand final rematch at Bond University between Brisbane City and Queensland Country, with the first round of matches set to be played in the team’s respective states before shifting to Canberra for the final rounds. NSW Rivals Sydney and NSW Country will commence their campaign at Forshaw Rugby Park this weekend as both sides look to improve on their 2018 results.

Rugby Australia’s National Head of Talent Management, Adrian Thompson said: “It’s always exciting to get to the back end of the year when these matches kick-off.

“We saw great success this year at the World Championships with the Junior Wallabies, and a lot of that team was selected from the URC last year, so it shows the value the tournament provides.

“The tournament allows us to see players in different combinations and positions, giving them the best possible opportunity to stick their hand up for higher honours.”

Off the field, players and team staff will have access to a multitude of development programs to help further their Rugby journey with presentations from RUPA as well as RugbyAU’s High Performance staff.

All matches of the 2019 Pathways Series will be streamed LIVE on RUGBY.com.au

To access the full draw and live results of the Junior Rugby Championship, please click here.

To access the full draw and live results of the U19s Rugby Championship, please click here.

 

  • IIPA

    So one Wallaby winger doesn’t know the WR high tackle framework and the other winger barely knows the laws of the game…. hmmmm

    Again well done Uruguay. Also Fiji sympathisers note a short turnaround and a dozen changes didn’t hurt the Italians last night.

    Thought Canada and US put up good good fights last night, Canada made plenty of opportunities but hampered by poor finishing, US no answer to England scrum, maul and ball runners.

    Anyone see the Italians pulling a Japan on the Boks….? Maybe just maybe…

    • Geoffro

      Opposing winger is passed the ball on the fly…defender quickly runs through his mind points 1 to 7 (including addenda) of high tackle protocol…and completes the perfect legal try stopper.Sounds reasonable to me

      • Birdy

        ‘Opposing winger is passed the ball on the fly…defender quickly runs through his mind points 1 to 7 (including addenda) of high tackle protocol…’

        Then realises he needs to get behind the line for the conversion.

      • Yowie

        Instead of writing crosses or family members’ names on their tape/strapping the players could just write-out the 7-point Dangerous Tackle Question Trail in nikko marker then consult that before looking up again to make the tackle.

        • AllyOz

          They could put it on the backs of their jersey’s and if you’re running behind someone you could brush up on the points as run around the paddock (the fastest bloke in the team would never know anything but it’s likely he’s a winger so that was probably the case anyway … of course, Hodge was a winger so my cunning plan may have some holes)

        • Yowie

          More practical than the jersey or strapping plan – if each player carries onto the field the Annotated Compendium of the Laws of Rugby and Tribunal Procedure (loose leaf service*) then they won’t be caught out for lack of relevant knowledge.

          [*When an amendment issues during a game the water-carriers can bring on bundles of the replacement pages and substitute them into each player’s ring binder during breaks in play.]

        • AllyOz

          You’re an ideas man Yowie, i’ll give you that

        • Yowie

          Cheers. It now occurs to me that the only flaw in your “text on back of jersey” plan could be solved by having the players always run in a circle so nobody is at the front.

        • AllyOz

          All of a sudden Cheik’s new attacking strategy becomes clear…..

        • Damo

          Nah, sit them all in a classroom with my Year 4 teacher Sr Mary St Kevin (we will have exhume her) armed with her swinging cross and metal ruler. They will (like me and 7 times tables) know all of the rugby laws and regs off by heart quick smart.

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      I think the Boks will be hurting too much for that mate.
      I’m loving the games. Wish I was there.

      • Crescent

        Agree – he doesn’t need to run through a seven point checklist mentally – hit below the shoulder and you are sweet. Hodge was probably crapping himself about letting a try in having been successfully bumped on previous attempts. The soak tackle still works beneath the shoulders if he is comfortable offering a lovely warm man hug with force.

    • Tomthusiasm

      I’ve been impressed with Italy’s form, albeit against tier 2 opposition, if they target the Boks match and go all out they’ll make the quarters. If they do the unthinkable and beat NZ it’ll come down to bonus points/points differential etc.

      • Hoss

        Dont be surprised if Fiji role Wales either – now that would make things interesting – especially after Wales lose to us.

        Fiji wont get angry they will just play 7’s rugby and run riot and score from everywhere.

        One game not to miss.

        • Tomthusiasm

          Definitely tipping Fiji against Wales, they’ve done it before!

        • Keith Butler

          Now that would be an interesting scenario. The G&G top their pool , Fiji beat Wales and qualify on bonus points to meet the SDs in a Q/F.

        • Hoss

          Would be typical Fiji. Lose to Uruguay and then smoke the Taff’s

        • Keith Butler

          True. Just off to get the ingredients for Sunday’s Wallaby burger with deep fried Leeks and melted Caerphilly.

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        Never happen mate

  • Custard Taht

    Is Fiji losing to Uruguay, a bigger upset than South Africa losing to Japan?

    I think not.

    Rugby isn’t a game of tiddlywinks. If it is a deliberate dangerous tackle, throw em out. But tackles like Hodges, in game sanction of Yellow card and move on.

    • Geoffro

      A bigger upset ? no, and less than half as satisfying to Aussie rugby fans as SA losing to Japan.A lot was made of Uruguays semi-professional players but I think there’s a few in the Fiji squad too.

    • Greg

      Biggest upset ever. That is easy…. Johnny bloody Wilkinson. Say no more.

      • Daniel Marrable

        I am upset just reading this and remembering :-(

  • Hannes En Brianda Barnard

    Not to know the laws that apply to your occupation is just unprofessional. You can expect that an amateur player will not be an expert on the laws of the game they play, but professional players are paid a fortune not only to spend hours in the gym and paddock but also to study the laws of the game and how they are applied. Great players can combine being a students of the game with the demands of an athlete – there are only a few of these.

    • Geoffro

      Hodge got done for contacting the head of the opposing player with his shoulder.To suggest he wasn’t aware that it is a no no is ludicrous and to be able to prepare someone to complete a tackle with the unknown variable of how an opposing player is going to position themselves or that he wasnt prepared because he usually tackles lower is another joke.His argument was grasping at straws and I’m amazed they read it into evidence

      • Brumby Runner

        I’m sure that Hodge knew quite well that a high tackle was a no no, G. But that’s not the point. There is a published framework for assessing possibly dangerous or illegal tackles that Hodge either didn’t know existed or just didn’t know the contents. The panel’s comment was in respect of Hodges’ lack of knowledge of that framework, not to whether or not he knew contact with the head/neck was not on.

        Clearly an indication of a communication problem within the team.

        • Greg

          Honestly, I think all a player needs to know is if you hit someone in the head you are in a lot of trouble. The framework is for refs and punters like us so that there can be some consistency provided and seen to be provided.

          A different discussion is how well that works.

        • Geoffro

          Fair enough,but I feel criticism of the player or management for not being fully aware of the assesment framework in that it will assist a player to complete legal tackles a bit rich.Its a bit like grabbing somebody like Foley or QC (or anybody else with a poor tackling technique) or whoever and saying hey learn this, it’s how to tackle effectively and stay out of trouble and after the fact saying well,you didn’t fully adhere to the framework (even though we know youve been taught it)

        • If all the players did was physical training, I’d have sympathy for this. But they spend enough time doing other things and it’s an important part of their job I have less time for it.

          When the framework came out, we discussed here around our work and so on. Thinking professional players can’t find an hour or two in their week to go through such an important clarification to the laws that govern their livelihoods seems silly.

          I’ve just changed jobs and done something like 15 hours of training about the legislation that applies to be in my new job. It’s similar to a job I had before and when the government changed the law on one part of that, I did 3 half day training sessions on that new bit of legislation. OK, I could be sacked and theoretically jailed for getting that wrong, but 6+ week bans are not peanuts, especially at the RWC.

        • Ads

          Or that they are footballers and not lawyers. Don’t hit someone in the head should be sufficient.

        • Hannes En Brianda Barnard

          As an amateur that is ok, not as a professional. Maybe we spend too much focus on conditioning the body and not enough on the brain. Intelligent rugby players become great players. There is a huge benefit to a player that understand the referees point of – McCaw used to be able to challenge referees on their understanding of the law.

        • Yowie

          He also kept a custom-made protractor in his pocket for arguing a point about “onside” to the ref.

        • Ads

          The referee(& ground review) said Hodge’s hit was ok. It would have made no difference. It was only after referral it became an issue.

      • Hannes En Brianda Barnard

        A great policeman under not only the law but also how it is applied and the proper procedures to follow.

    • Keith Butler

      Absolutely right, they should know the laws. It would be interesting to hear a game without referees providing a running commentary on how to bind properly in the scrum or how to enter a ruck or standing offside etc.

    • Yowie

      The police seem to be found wanting fairly often on the topic of “know the laws that apply to your occupation” in terms of:-
      (a) the sort of rubbish Prosecutors get handed – leading to dropped or fatally flawed cases;
      (b) the sort of blatant and unnecessary fabrications that come unstuck when the police officer gets in the witness box.

      [leaving aside the old “cash, bash & ….” problems that probably don’t arise from ignorance of the law.]

    • Jcr

      Not really surprising when you consider some players seem to bring their faults proudly and repeatedly out week after week . Tricky things like , if you can’t pass to your right just position yourself on the right side of the paddock or just don’t pass to anyone not running your correct side . Why practice kicking for touch when you know it doesn’t matter so much . You only need to be fit at the end of the season etc etc Coaching or players responsibility? Either way it gives me the shits . Wallaby running rugby is fine but you look like a cock running around with no ball cos you can’t catch it , kick it or pass it .

    • Who?

      I agree. It’s like the England/Italy game in 2016, where Romain just desperately wanted to explain what Italy was doing was legal, and the points of law, but he (rightly) decided it wasn’t his fault or responsibility that the Poms – including their leadership group – didn’t know or understand the laws.

  • Bobas

    Not knowing the high tackle framework reeks of the Cheika coaching culture. Remember when he admitted he didn’t watch opposition games.

    • Brumby Runner

      I also remember a comment from him that he didn’t watch many (any?) of the Aussie Super games too.

      • Yowie

        He might not have Foxtel. I have the same problem.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Hahahaha gold mate

        • disqus_NMX

          Ha ha, another Yowie classic!

      • Bobas

        No wonder he’s so angry, I would be too only watching the South African games.

      • Bobas

        No wonder he’s so angry, I would be too only watching the South African games.

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      I’m wondering how much of that is show and how much is actually true.

  • Kiwi rugby lover

    Thanks Sully,
    Not sure it’s the biggest upset in WRC history but its certainly up there and while I feel for Fiji I loved the reaction from the Uruguay team and supporters was awesome. I think Fiji just took them too lightly. I expect them firing in the next game for sure.

    I agree the dangerous tackle flow should be understood by all players, however they’re for the referee, TMO and judiciary. Players just need to remember; tackle below the shoulder line and use your arms in the tackle. Do that and the process won’t matter. Not that hard.

    It is good to see the rest of the rugby happening but with no coverage on tv it’s hard to focus on it. Hopefully not too many league and AFL scouts at the games.

    • Tomthusiasm

      A good victory for Uruguay, heartbreaking for Fiji though as their quarterfinal aspirations have been snuffed out in five days. They could’ve probably won both of those matches, and if Hodge has been sent off we might have seen the biggest upset in history.

  • A Dingo Stole My Rugby

    Ok, I’m just going to put this out there. I know I’m in for a roasting, but anyway…

    I reckon that by far the most impressive Australian at the World Cup so far has been… Nic Berry.

    • Jason

      I’ve rated Berry for a long time. I think his playing experience is really a strength of his as he can really get on the level of the players.

      • Keith Butler

        A case of poacher turned gamekeeper.

      • Haz

        It’s really good that ex players are coming through to be referees. They’ve got such a good understanding of the game and empathy for the players.

        Karl Dickson from England another one that’s become a referee and after just 1 or 2 years he’s at the World Cup as an assistant referee.

    • formerflanker

      Agreed, but he did blot his copybook by ignoring the high shot early in the England v USA game.

      • While I kind of agree, it’s pretty hard for a ref to get to see that – they’re distance runners not really sprinters and he would have had a bad view: of the back of the tackler. No arms raised in protest, no player looking stunned. No really obvious reason to look for it on replay. That’s one where the TMO should really have been saying “I think you need to look at that” IMO.

        Berry, plus the English and Welsh referees have been the best in terms of game management and actually applying the rules IMO. I think they’ve probably all made the odd mistake but they feel like genuine human errors rather than just not bothering with a certain law or flagrantly getting it wrong because they’re crap – which is what happens when you make too many of them.

  • Greg

    To be a bit controversial….

    https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/jake-polledri-of-italy-on-the-charge-during-the-rugby-world-cup-2019-picture-id1177182392?s=2048×2048

    Look at Jake Polledri in the photo above. carrying the ball on his left. Right arm tucked into the body, leading with
    shoulder, tackler going low. What is the situation when the blue shoulder hits the red player in the head.

    Dangerous?

    Arm Tucked?

    contact with head?

    Is this OK or not? If not…. where do we go?

    • Yowie

      It’s hard to decide on the wrongdoer when there are no Kiwis, Soap-dodgers or Jarpies involved.

      • Geoffro

        Yep,I see that Farrell was involved in another high tackle incident….bastard !

        • Da Munch

          I’m at work atm so can’t go and double check but I thought the strip by Farrell in the last few seconds of the match, looked very much like a shoulder charge till he came out with the ball – maybe he was dazed from being on the receiving end and went for a shoulder charge and ended up with the ball?

        • Geoffro

          Hahaha,hes a shoulder charge just waitin to happen

        • I thought so too, but I thought he missed the head, which would mean he missed the RC sanction level and would not get cited. It’s just possible, because of what I assume his arms were doing for the strip, his hand was in front of his shoulder to contact the ball, then he twisted and his shoulder hit the player after he’d hit the ball… the framework is not clear there but I think he’d get benefit of the doubt because he’d attacked the ball and been legal at that point.

          But his tackle technique is terrible and sometime he’ll hit someone in the head, shoulder first…

        • Da Munch

          Does hit the head with shoulder but it pretty late in the tackle but Kilifi’s head does fly back. See below for mid way through.
          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/37799863cc35520e83c03a953eaa3ff36b89f7fe4e34af675150dbe3012ece18.png

        • Sorry for the late reply, I can’t easily reply from my iPad and I couldn’t get to my computer yesterday.

          I think it’s… tricky. I don’t like Farrell but for me he’s attacked the ball in that tackle and the rest is what they’d call “rugby incident.” He hasn’t gone in high and attacking the head in any way, just as he’s turned, trying to complete the rip, there’s some contact…

          Given he wasn’t cited I guess it’s not a RC at least.

    • Geoffro

      Where do we go ? to the framework for carrying the ball into contact.If you’ve got half an hour I’ll explain it to you.

      • Yowie

        For test rugby, instead of having players on the field undertaking a collision sport, can we not just have lawyers for each nation making written submissions to each other arguing for the hypothetical scoring of points (or successful and valid tackles to prevent same)?

        • Geoffro

          Kafe and Horan standing outside referring to what was happening in “the court”

        • AllyOz

          we’ll get Watson-Holmes involved with his red woollen yarn and his whiteboards afterall

    • Crescent

      It’s pretty simple – play on. The framework is all about the responsibility of the tackler on the ball carrier, not the other way around. If we want the framework to cover the ball carrier as well – be careful what you wish for – test rugby could end up with Golden Oldies rules to manage the risk of injury due to collisions. The breaks for imbibing port would be novel, but the contest is certainly no longer compelling.

    • Hoss

      Great question

    • Keith Butler

      Looks ok to me protecting the ball and bracing for contact. If on the other hand he had raised his elbow to the horizontal and led with his forearm and connected with the neck or head it would be a definite card of some colour in my book.

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Mate this is fine. He’s not targeting anyone for a tackle and it’s the tackler who decides on the contact point not the ball carrier.
      If he raises his arm and leads with the elbow then absolutely dangerous and he’ll be pinged for it. I think eventually the ball carrier will get looked at but for my mine if the carrier only braces like this and doesn’t raise or lead with an elbow then it’ll be ok

    • Currently it’s ok. I saw Kitsoff do it and wondered the same thing. I imagine, if WR have anyone rational, it will be addressed sometime soonish, it’s hard to imagine how a shoulder to the head from the ball carrier is any less dangerous, in terms of concussions, than a shoulder to the head from the tackler after all.

      However, using WR and rational in the same sentence is not something many people do and manage to keep a straight face…

  • Frosty morning

    I hate to bring this up… but Fiji were so poor, so incompetent, that the spectre of match fixing came to mind… does anyone investigate this sort of thing?

    • Tomthusiasm

      I just think it was hard for them to get up for this game after a bruising encounter with the Wallabies five days prior. On their day Fiji can beat, or lose to anyone

      • Yowie

        On their day Fiji can beat, or lose to anyone
        Also – honourable mention to the French.

        • Greg

          and the wobblies.

          A french colleague described the Wallabies as the French of the South Pacific. You never know what you will get.

        • Yowie

          That’s not a bad summary actually. Cheika’s sense of strategy is definitely the “je ne sais quoi” approach.

        • AllyOz

          I thought that might have been New Caledonia?

        • Custard Taht

          Or Melbourne, since apparently it is the Paris of the south….

        • AllyOz

          I thought you wrote Penis of the South first time I read it…guess that works too

      • Crescent

        They changed 12 players. Not too many bruised bodies from the Wallabies match starting. McKee took Uruguay too lightly and paid the price. In fairness – Fiji crossed the try line more times and if the kicking boots were working, would have swung the result their way. I think that Uruguay’s refusal to lie down mentally got on top of Fiji and they just self destructed from there.

    • Geoffro

      Fortunately we know that since Fiji have such an Indian connection there would never be a whiff of improprietry

    • Custard Taht

      You might be on to something. The Fijian Govt is in debt to the Chinese…..one bet could change ut all.

      • Yowie

        Perhaps the players’ Social Credit Scores were going to be docked if they f*cked up Xi Jinping’s Sportsbet Multi?

  • onlinesideline

    whens the team announcment – is Thor still going to be sidelined for his Samoan schooling ? Keen to this guy have his Kerevi moment (read Lomu) and bump off a few pasty doormen on the way to the tryline.

    • 1 pm I believe.

    • Hoss

      He was waiting on our selections mate, just to be safe.

      • Hoss

        And obviously in true Segall fashion, ‘i never look at em mate, know what i mean’

      • Brumby Runner

        I am in no doubt at all Hoss that had he taken our selections over the past 4 – 5 years, both he and the Wallabies would be in a better position than they are right now or have been at any time in that period.

  • Hoss
    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Hahahaha gold

    • Geoffro

      question trail.
      1.Are these pants shorts or trousers
      2.If shorts,should boxers or Y.fronts be worn
      3.In the case of boxers is there an appreciable risk of tackle exposure
      4.If tackle exposure applying the decision making framework did it cause offense to a:Any female spectator
      b:homophobes
      c:people eating their lunch
      Such offense the framework suggests may me reduced by the appropriate use of a suitable ball carrying method…..

      Dammit,I cant get my pants on over these shoes

      • Hoss

        Take a bow mate – that’s laugh out loud stuff.

        My work here is done, waiter…..

    • disqus_NMX

      Oh jeez, I laughed so hard! Still giggling.

  • Jason

    Why does a player need to know the framework?

    It’s like a car salesman knowing the details of the car loan approval process. Maybe it helps, maybe it doesn’t but there is no need for it.

    Hodge doesn’t need to know anything about the WR process, he needs to know what a high tackle is that’s about it. I’d expect the team captain, vice capitan and perhaps a few other key players would need to understand these but that’s about it.

    I’d also suggest more than half the players at the Rugby World Cup would have a similar knowledge/understanding of the framework.

    • I’d expect all the players to know the outlines of it, not the fine details. “If you don’t put your arms forward, they’ll ping you for a shoulder charge” and “if you hit above the shoulder line, it’s a high hit, and a high shoulder is different to a high tackle” and “if you slide up to above the shoulder, it’s still a high hit.” Shoulder to the head – RC, High tackle, swinging arm, RC, normally YC, that kind of thing.

      Stuff like up and down mitigation, probably not so much in detail, but an awareness that the process is there, for sure.

      This is how they make their living after all.

      To use your example, a car salesman should have some idea when you walk in, if you really are likely to be able to afford that Lamborghini, or if they’d do better to direct you to the Honda’s… they might not know exactly what the process is, but they know the outlines of it and where to direct you to get a sale. A test level rugby player should be aware of the outlines of the process to know what they are and aren’t allowed to do and how hard the book will get thrown if they fuck it up.

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        Bang on mate

      • Jason

        Let’s be clear this isn’t knowing what a high tackle is, or even what a yellow vs red card is, they are talking about the framework over deciding suspensions and the length of bans. Like I said, I think it’d be nice for players to know that stuff, if I were a professional athlete I’d be reading the full rule book every time they change any rules, but to *expect* that of every payer is a bit rich. The captain and a few other key players probably, but not all of them.

        • Separate frameworks. The framework the quote is about is whether you see red, yellow just a penalty or nothing. That’s the high tackle and shoulder charge framework.

          There’s a sanction framework that says base 6 weeks for a shoulder to the head and so on. I think it’s 13 weeks for accusing the ref of cheating and a year for hitting the ref, that kind of thing.

  • formerflanker

    I’m suspicious about the whole “Hodge knew nothing” meme.
    He may not have been exposed to the nightmarish rigmarole called The Question Trail, but simple coaching logic tells us that all Test players are warned not to tackle above the shoulders and that arms must be used in all tackles.
    The Barrett shoulder charge into Hooper’s head would have been the highlight of Wallaby video reviews when it happened.
    Every team of note has referees helping with law interpretation and my guess is that our national team is no different. Therefore Hodge would have had instruction on how to tackle and how to NOT tackle.
    Hodge would have seen first hand many penalties for high tackles and shoulder charges. Not just video replays but been close to the action and witnessed the actual hits and referee reactions.
    In the lead up to the most important tournament in Rugby’s calendar, enormous amounts of planning and preparation are done. Players get more than a fitting for their kit – World Rugby’s “Decision making framework for high tackles” was a huge red flag that many in RA would have been aware of, not just the head coach.

    Nah – Hodge was aware that high and no arms was wrong.

    World Rugby have adjudicated that he guilty and wrote that decision up in an 11 page document. I’m sure all of the decision trail questions and interpretations were going through Hodge’s mind as he raced across to stop a try.

  • juswal

    I don’t expect players to know how an off-field party might assess a tackle as dangerous. They need to know what’s (a) effective and (b) legal.

    Every tackle—every contact—is dangerous. Mostly, the danger passes without harm. Dangerous and harmful aren’t the same thing at all.

    Plus, “decision making framework” is management gibberish and a dud metaphor. You don’t make decisions on a frame.

    • AllyOz

      well said

    • Hannes En Brianda Barnard

      By understanding the decision making framework you will understand what the referees are looking for. You can then adapt your technique so that you don’t have to watch the RWC from the sidelines and give up your position in the team to a rival

      • UTG

        Yes, if all the players who have recently been cited (Scott Barrett, the Samoans, the US player, Hodge etc.) had only known the seven point checklist none of this would have happened…

  • Greg

    For a touch of irony…. this time it was Owen Farrell on the other end of a shoulder. I hope he is fine and the red card is deserved but as you sew….

    Interested to see what happens with the Piers Francis tackle.

    • Keith Butler

      Didn’t improve Farrell’s good looks but then again…..Re the Francis ‘tackle’ for consistency he should be cited with some time off. Not a vital cog in the England wheel though.

    • GeorgiaSatellite

      I thought it was interesting that he wasn’t forced to undergo an HIA after a red-worthy collision. Player welfare still up to the player and coaching staff?

      • I think you’re right, he should have had an HIA. According to the guidelines “HIAs take place when the referee, another match official or one of the doctors on the sideline sees a player take an impact to the head which may have caused a concussion, though no symptoms of concussion are immediately obvious.”

        If a shoulder charge like that to the head isn’t enough to trigger the referee to send the player off for an HIA I don’t know what would, although it’s possible they have specific guidelines beyond “a big hit to the head.”

  • onlinesideline

    One thing that irkks me no end is players that look to the heavens every time they score a try, especially those who actually point to heaven – they should be sent straight to the sin bin for 10 minutes based on law 54-33 which sanctions “crass expressions of religious piety on the rugby field, is considered unacceptable conduct and falls within the category of utter wankery”

    • Yowie

      It sh!ts me more when an (the?) omnipotent divine entity/ies cause Aussie passes drift forwards and/or players knock-on rather than catch. Stick to just helping tries be scored FFS.

      • onlinesideline

        Bloody hell, here I was for hoping for a measure of on field respect and you chime in with that you raging heathen !

        Izzy… Izzy….. where are you mate ?
        Whats that ? Court ? OK then speak later.

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        Bahahahwahahaha

    • Keith Butler

      Plenty of strapping all round for everyone then.

  • AllyOz

    It’s one thing to know the tackle rule, it is another to be able to put it into practice. it is almost as if the rules are written for a static position and this is a very dynamic game, your arc into the tackle changes, the tackler themselves move, the tackler drops their height (both occasions when the Samoan players were YC’ed the referee quoted that as a factor it was only a YC and not RC). I don’t have too many doubts that, while he couldn’t reel off the law book by clause and sub-clause that Hodge knew what was legal and I am pretty sure that what he did was accidental and unintentional. Lowering the tackle height to the nipple level perhaps gives a bit more margin for error. None of this will stop the major cause of head injuries of course, which are more the tackler coming into contact with the hips and the knees of the tackled player – I think Eloise Pasteur has alluded to these previously – but if there are less incidences of head injury as a result of what they are doing then it is a good result.

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Sorry mate I completely disagree. That process isn’t the tackle rule it’s an assessment for referees, TMOs and the judiciary. All the players need to know is tackle below the shoulder and use your arms

      • AllyOz

        I thought that was what I was saying – but that it is not necessarily easy to always get right. I can categorically say that, even though I did some pretty stupid things on the field, I have never intentionally tried to tackle above shoulder height. But I did on occasions do it. – anyway I don’t think we are in disagreement – if it appears so then I think it might be more that I haven’t stated it clearly enough.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          No worries mate. I’m a kiwi so my understanding was probably off

      • AllyOz

        I thought that was what I was saying – but that it is not necessarily easy to always get right. I can categorically say that, even though I did some pretty stupid things on the field, I have never intentionally tried to tackle above shoulder height. But I did on occasions do it. – anyway I don’t think we are in disagreement – if it appears so then I think it might be more that I haven’t stated it clearly enough.

  • Bobas
    • Greg

      Some good moves there.
      Gilbert to the pine. He could be very good late in the game.
      Sanchez to start… could be good. I hope it is.
      AAC…. Does wales have slow wingers? Despite his age, his positioning has been good in defense.

      And then there is spanners….. What is it we don’t see?

      • Hoss

        What is it we don’t see?

        Talent
        Ability
        Desire
        Skill
        Commitment
        Kicking accuracy
        Ability to pass

        But thats all.

        • Custard Taht

          Not claiming to be a Nostrildamus, but it seems my premonition about picking the Genia/Foley pairing came true. Cheika pretty much implied it at the start of the week.

          The Spanners selection is purely about goal kicking…..cause Cheika remembers Foley kicking those 2 goals half a decade ago.

          I was confident of a Wallabies win, well, you can tear that up and throw it away. The edge now goes to Wales.

          For the Wallabies to win, I think JOC is going to have to be heavily involved in attack.

        • laurence king

          There is a lot of pace and youthful vigour in that backline.

        • Custard Taht

          Apart from Foley, I think the backline is actually pretty good.

          AAC might have lost a yard of pace, but he knows how to finish, and he is solid in defence and under the high ball.

          Genia is a wise decision, good under the high ball and I think he will bring his running shoes.

          I expect Genia, JOC and Kerevi to have big games…..and I have now talked myself back onboard the Wallaby train.

          Wallabies 23 d Wales 16.

        • laurence king

          I agree, however I was thinking that it has been one of Cheika’s failures over the past four years in that he hasn’t been able to develop a new crop of young backs. For example, his treatment of Banks has been deplorable. In the current circumstances and the possible need for rest by CLL the backline is OK

        • Custard Taht

          In regards to young 10’s, the blame should be shared equally amongst the states. They really haven’t given him anything to choose from.

          As for for the other positions, the talent is there and available, but Yep, Cheika has been a bit blinded.

        • Custard Taht

          I might play Spanners Bingo….and take a shot every time he:

          *Passes to no one
          *Fails to find touch
          *Gets charged down
          *Misses a tackle
          *Kicks aimlessly to the opposition, handing them the ball in good field position with open space
          *Misses a penalty/conversion

        • Greg

          That could be messy….. I hope not.

        • Custard Taht

          I hope not too! But history is a good indicator of future performance. As you mentioned previously, he has one good game a season, hopefully this is it.
          The problem is it becomes a double edged sword, we beat Wales, but are stuck with Foley for the rest of the tournament, having already played his one good game.

        • Hoss

          You wanna stock up.

          I’ll have my whinge and then get back to completely one-eyed bias, BUT, i just went back to the voting stats for combined Fiji / Wales game and Spanners got 10 of 146 votes to start or 6.85% of votes, so 93.15% of us are dickheads. I fully expected him to play against the minnows, you need insurance for the pointy end and you couldn’t have him with no Rugby and then play a QF, SF or Final ‘cold’ – fair enough. But tis appears rather risky. However, there’s 3 selectors so there must have been a majority of two and Lilo did look flat and poor-ish last two outings (NZ & Fiji) so……………

          Delusion switched back on,us bu 15.

        • Custard Taht

          The sister in law is visiting, so locked, stocked and now have reason for smoking barrels!

          Maybe Cheika rates the Welsh as minnows?

          I was thinking 15ish prior to Foley, now if the Wallabies win, it will by less than 7.

        • Damo

          Don’t want to interrupt the rage here but
          Wales are Minnows. Haha
          And back we go…fucking Foley!!!

        • Hoss

          You missed
          * hits an upright on simple penalty / conversion.

        • Custard Taht

          That would be a potential double shot…one for hitting the sticks and another if it misses

        • Brisneyland Local

          Fuck I would be legless by halftime.

        • Warn the local hospital, or get your dialysis machine ready!

        • Keith Butler

          I guess that deep down we all knew that Cheika would stick with Sanchez and Spanners for the big games. So predictable and it could well blow up in his face. The G&G back three could be in for a busy evening on Sunday. Will still be close those. Can’t wait for BLs views.

        • Custard Taht

          Pretty sure he is still heading back for the run in……

        • Keith Butler

          Incoming pineapples.

        • Hoss

          From the Paddington End.

        • laurence king

          Bloody hell, now that’s what I call being blindsided. Did not see that coming. But shoulda. Did I say ‘bloody hell’?

        • laurence king

          With our back-line the saying, festina lente, ‘make haste slowly’ comes to mind. If it was good enough for Augustus then it’s good enough for Bum-Cheiks

        • AllyOz

          I thought with the capitals in line down the page that was going to say something but all I can get is TADSCKA…I am confused, but not as confused as when I read the team list

        • Greg

          If you spoke dutch like me and Hoss…. then you would understand. It’s something about the all blacks.

        • Hoss

          Its Russian for an old Japanese saying ‘horry fuck batman’

      • Ads

        Part of CLL’s poor play last week seemed the result of a couple of big hits. Wouldn’t be surprised if this is why he’s out. Foley is still probably our 2nd best 10.

        • UTG

          Yep, they said he was beaten up after last week and needs a rest. Interesting to read here that certain selections are a result of Cheika’s Tah bias even though there’s a panel of selectors…

        • idiot savant

          All of the selectors are NSW born and bred. But really, all of our flyhalf options are ordinary. Foley has been to a RWC final before and kicked pressure goals. Neither CLL or Toomua have done that.

          I think Cheik would always have wanted that experience but has also been enjoying the pressure Foley and Genia were under. Now they have to perform. Their time on the outer will give them an edge. The same goes for White. He will have a point to prove when he comes on.

        • UTG

          Second sentence sums it up. CLL was decent against Argentina and good against the ABs in Perth but pretty ordinary in his last two games, certainly if Foley had played that way we wouldn’t have heard the end of it. He’s not really shown himself to be too far ahead of Foley and after getting beaten up against Fiji they’re unlikely to pick him. Experience of Foley obviously another factor, goal kicking has been ordinary from all teams though so I don’t know if it’s just a Wallaby issue.

        • Ads

          I don’t hate Foley like others here (I think he is ordinary, but there is no real standout alternative after CLL), but arguably I think he would have played better in the less structured game Vs Fiji, and CLL would do better as a more traditional 10 Vs Wales. I think Cheik got that wrong. I think they are both better than Toomua as 10s (but not 12’s).

        • UTG

          Don’t really understand the vehement hatred of Foley here, it’s not like he selects himself in the side. That’s not to say he’s a world-beater but I don’t see how he would have been any worse than CLL last week.

          We’ve basically played off the 9 the whole year anyway so it’s not like losing out first choice playmaker is going to torpedo our attack.

      • Geoffro

        He has a good game occasionally,fingers crossed

        • laurence king

          Stopped clock right twice a day sort of thing

      • Brumby Runner

        AAC might well have good positioning, but I reckon I’ve seen him miss more tackles in his past two test matches than he had probably missed in his previous 1000.

        • idiot savant

          If he was marking George North Id say he would have him covered but he is marking Josh Adams who has some serious toe.

        • UTG

          He’s not really going to be marking Adams though, international defensive structures are a bit more nuanced than 11 lines up against 14. He’ll spend half the time defending at 10 while Foley drops back to complete the pendulum formation they run in defence out the back.

          If he does ever happen to line up against him one on one I expect AAC will show him the sideline and run him down as he always does.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          If AAC shows him the the sideline he’ll be gone

        • UTG

          I doubt it, AAC is probably the best defensive back we’ve had this decade. I trust him to know when he can and when he can’t run a man down. He did it in the Samoan game and Nanai-Williams tried to gas him but he cut him down with ease.

      • Wales’ wings are Adams, who has a great step off both feet and runs really fast. He’s set to line up against AAC according the numbers. I can’t see AAC touching Adams; younger, faster wingers struggled enough. The alternate is North, who doesn’t accelerate superbly, but is huge and runs really hard and carries tacklers with him, as we’ve all seen… Remember that line about “where was the card for Koroibete hurting Barrett as he ran over him?” – swap Koroibete for North and Barrett for AAC and that’s how I suspect those tackles will go, all night long. I imagine Wales will line North up against Koroibete and it will be a bit of a clash of the titans on one wing, then a speedster vs a pensioner on the other…

    • Bobas

      CLL can survive blood cancer but not Cheika’s malignant tah bias

      • Brisneyland Local

        Pure gold

      • Brumby Runner

        Or anti-Brumby bias, whichever it is. FF looks to have done his dash. Might as well join Powell, Banks and Valetini back at the Vikings.

        However, before the Tahs’ faithful really blow a gasket each. I do expect to see FF in some of the minor games this RWC. Seems he can kiss goodbye to the major ones though.

        • Bobas

          Just watch when we have green locks and a backrow of Valetini Brown and Samu.
          Brown was a master signing, like a taller George Smith.

    • HK Red

      Reckon Cheika believes this is a genius move, Wales would never have expected it.

    • Mart

      Big fan of AAC But on the wing?!? cue a Beetoota advocate article about the old bloke on the wing

    • Yowie

      At 1:00pm a promo email arrived in my account from Rugby Australia with the heading “Yowie, your Wallabies team is in!”

      Ex-fucking-scuse me, MY Wallabies team?

      • Custard Taht

        So this is all your doing! Fuck you very much.

        • Yowie

          Shit Shit Shit. I don’t know how this has happened. Sorry everyone.

      • Greg

        Thanks. I got the same email. I thought it was my fault.

        • Bobas

          Hoss has submitted your teams to RA

      • Hoss

        Your’e a prick of a selector mate

    • Brisneyland Local

      Fucking Foley

      • AllyOz

        pronounced as Seinfeld announces “Newman” no doubt

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        I was expecting more

        • Brisneyland Local

          I am trying to be reserved.

  • HK Red

    Is Lilo injured?? There’s something slightly disconcerting about that starting XV

  • I Should be Coach

    WTF – FOLEY. You have to be kidding. I guess he trained really well and with great intensity. I truly pray that when ass clown goes, he takes spanners with him.

    Wales by 10

    • Bobas

      the only way he could make sure Foley got another cap, is if he put a ‘capinhisass’ ‘youknowwhatimean’.

      • I Should be Coach

        Bobas – your right. Ass clown is a genius. Foley to come out firing and win us the Cup.

    • disqus_NMX

      I guess he knows it doesn’t matter if we lose to Wales since Fiji lost to Uruguay.

      • I Should be Coach

        If that’s ass clown’s plan then he is dumber than I thought. A win most likely gives us a QF game against Frogs. A loss it’s England. Much harder road in.

  • Kiwi rugby lover

    Team in. Some big changes

    1. Scott Sio (60 Tests)

    2. Tolu Latu (16 Tests)

    3. Allan Alaalatoa (34 Tests)

    4. Izack Rodda (22 Tests)

    5. Rory Arnold (23 Tests)

    6. David Pocock (79 Tests)

    7. Michael Hooper (c) (96 Tests)

    8. Isi Naisarani (5 Tests)

    9. Will Genia (106 Tests)

    10. Bernard Foley (70 Tests)

    11. Marika Koroibete (25 Tests)

    12. Samu Kerevi (vc) (30 Tests)

    13. James O’Connor (49 Tests)

    14. Adam Ashley-Cooper (119 Tests)

    15. Dane Haylett-Petty (34 Tests)

    Reserves

    16. Jordan Uelese (5 Tests)

    17. James Slipper (92 Tests)

    18. Sekope Kepu (107 Tests)

    19. Adam Coleman (35 Tests)

    20. Lukhan Salakaia-Loto (17 Tests)

    21. Nic White (27 Tests)

    22. Matt To’omua (48 Tests)

    23. Kurtley Beale (88 Tests)

    • Custard Taht

      That is a team that can lift bill

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        I’m not so confident mate. Slow back 3 and a 10 that’s really out of form. I like the forward pack but not sure why Tupou isn’t getting a go off the bench. It’ll depend a lot on the game plan but I think it’ll be a struggle

        • Custard Taht

          Do they not have the book “The tortoise and the hare” in NZ? No speed, no dramas!

          The game plan will be run, run and run it some more.

        • Yowie

          No, but the children’s book “The Naughty Sheep” was the subject of a “misleading and deceptive conduct in trade or commerce” class action.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Mate you’re on fire

        • AllyOz

          I was a little tentative with my sheep joke yesterday….I see you do not labour under the same apprehensions

        • Custard Taht

          If in doubt, type it out….if it offends, just apologise. I believe there is a standard offence apology template available online.

        • Hoss

          Don’t be mate, there’s a reason the Kiwis call sheep ‘frigates’ – as they carry a heap of Kiwi seamen.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          That’s a new one

        • Custard Taht

          Just don’t make that joke about camels and why they are known as the ships of the desert. That will be 5 causing offence penalty points.

        • Hoss

          Yep, I found out the hard way. Had my’Mohammad Membership’ Card Revoked when I turned up with a dozen pulled-pork pizzas and a slab to the after-mass party. Fuck me, tough crowd. I used to be catholic and asked if there was a small room and a spare 5 minutes and we’d be square, but no dice.

        • Yowie

          You could have drawn a hilarious caricature of a famous prophet to lighten the mood of the room?

        • Custard Taht

          I made a muslim friend when travelling through Egypt…made the mistake of treating him like all my Army mates. Included him in the group spam where I sent the “stop looking at gay porn” that blared with a siren and locked the screen……he didn’t see the funny side.

        • Yowie

          Was your unit motto “Never leave your friend’s behind”?

        • Custard Taht

          Hahaha, not quite….that would be the Indo’s motto.

        • Yowie

          It helps that the Kiwi regulars in here are such good blokes about those types of jokes.

  • Brisneyland Local

    Afternoon GAGR’s, well what can I say. I am pissed but happy.
    1. Beale to the bench. Good move. Needed to happen.
    2. Fucking Foley. Lets just leave it at that.
    3. Kepu to the bench? WTF, he is not am inpact player. Tongan Thor for me.
    4. AAC. Whilst he brings stability, there is no speed. But he can take a high ball.
    5. DHP is a smart move. Has a reasonable in hand kicking game. But again no pace.

    I am not confidant this selection. I am less confidant than before. I am tipping Wales by 5-7.

    • Keith Butler

      Very restrained if I may say so.

      • Brisneyland Local

        Yes. I concur. Trying to be a bit reserved. But boy if her screws the pooch and fucks the game up am I going to unload!

    • Custard Taht

      I have calmed down, and back to being confident, but not Hoss by 15 confident. Wallabies by 7 and a final score of 23 – 16.

      • Hoss

        Cant draw pictures in the score book Taht, a ‘W’ is a ‘W’ – i will be happy to be by 1.

        • Custard Taht

          Absolutely! The wife has noticed my renewed vigour in regards to the Wallabies, after the last year or two of ambivalence….I told her, the Wallabies are like an abusive partner, you know they are bad for you, but you just can’t stay away, because when they are sober, they are good lovers…..right now, I feel the Wallabies are sober.

        • Birdy

          What did she say? ‘What do you know about being a good lover?’

        • Yowie

          gold (ouch)

        • Birdy

          It’s OK, mate – just projection on my part.

        • Custard Taht

          She ain’t mean, she knows I give it my all for 2mins…..all I got was a “where’s my coffee bitch”.

        • Birdy

          2 mins? You Aussies are always playing ‘the big I am…’

        • Yowie

          I tend to prefer a quickie.

      • Brisneyland Local

        I wish I shared that. I am worried about lack of play making. So that will rest with Genia, and JOC. I am worried about our front row. Methuselah is not a nbench player. I would rather Tupou with some energy, and some break through when people are tired. But am happy that Beale is on the bench. Not confident.

        • Custard Taht

          I think Genia and JOC are going to have big games, and I think Kerevi will be too much for Wales….Foley’s role will be to not fuck up, and kick the goals

        • Brisneyland Local

          Yep and that is exactly what worries me.

        • Custard Taht

          Oh yeah, it will result in a Genia/Foley pairing for the rest of the tournament.
          Though I not sure this hasn’t been Cheikas plan all along.

        • Brisneyland Local

          I think you are right.

  • AllyOz
    • Keith Butler

      The miracle of photoshopping.

      • Greg

        Indeed. The next time I am training, I would appreciate ti if the cameras are kept away. Pretty cheap putting his head on my body.

    • Hoss

      I am not generally gay, but i would be willing to learn.

    • Yowie

      To paraphrase Colonel Kurtz:
      “If we had five Super Rugby teams of such men our troubles here would be over very quickly.”

    • Geoffro

      Bloody amazing,hes even got muscles on his ear :)… (though I’d sacrifice the odd cauli ear for a physique like that)

      • laurence king

        Just a bloody show-off. I have a six pack, in fact I have several and a keg, but i’m modest and don’t take off my shirt, because I’m a humble man.

    • AllyOz

      I think he’s hit peak blood vessel

  • Greg
    • Good. I thought that was hard for the referee to catch, straight from the kick off he’s in a poor position, but the TMO should have. But it looks like a red card. Interesting to see what they say.

      • Bernie Chan

        Nic Berry generally has a good feel for the game (is he one of few WR refs to actually play Pro rugby…?) but missed that one. As you say it was immediately after kick off so a bit frantic, but the TMOs are obviously overpaid as the have multiple camera angles and super slo-mo. I note one Samoan player already got 3 weeks (based on Hodge’s 3, it should have been 6…) despite the TMO talking down the seriousness of the contact.
        I worry about the way Poite will adjudicate the tucks and scrum..

        • I think the Samoan got the same 6 reduced to 3 as Hodge. Shoulder to the head is a 6 week entry point, you get time off for a first offence and pleading guilty, extra time for being a repeat offender, doing stupid things like taunting the person you hit and so on.

          Berry might be the only one reffing at the RWC, but there’s an English AR who was playing a season or two ago. Dixon I think. He’s pretty well respected in the premier league, probably WR feel he just doesn’t have the experience yet.

          And I always worry about Poite as a ref. I think with scrums it’s always hard to be critical – the ref gets one view we never exactly see and lots of moving parts and has to make a decision in real time. Even when we see a decision live and say it’s wrong, it’s hard to know what they’ve seen that’s triggered the decision they did make – something their body obscured from the camera a fraction of a second either side of what we saw… could go either way for right or wrong. (That doesn’t stop me moaning and groaning real time!)

          The breakdown though, yes, it could well be a case of who adapts faster to whatever weirdness is in his head. I think I’d rather have him than Garces still, where you randomly ignore some of the laws. At least with Poite you know it’s likely to be ruck lotto.

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@Only1Sully

Just another Rugby tragic. Shane "Sully" Sullivan has been in man love with the game since high school in the 70's. He inflicts his passion on family and anyone who will listen. He can't guarantee unbiased opinion but he can tell you the Reds are Awesome! To read non-rugby content head to http://www.onesully.com.au

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