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Fridays Rugby News sees Wallabies and England named, the eleventh ban of RWC19, Clarky gets a double ton and, more Junior Wallabies for the Waratahs.


 

 

Wallabies Named For England.

Wallabies team to play England at Oita Stadium, Oita on Saturday 19 October

1. Scott Sio (62 Tests)
2. Tolu Latu (18 Tests)
3. Allan Alaalatoa (36 Tests)
4. Izack Rodda (24 Tests)
5. Rory Arnold (25 Tests)
6. David Pocock (82 Tests)
7. Michael Hooper (c) (98 Tests)
8. Isi Naisarani (7 Tests)
9. Will Genia (109 Tests)
10. Christian Lealiifano (25 Tests)
11. Marika Koroibete (27 Tests)
12. Samu Kerevi (vc) (32 Tests)
13. Jordan Petaia (2 Tests)
14. Reece Hodge (38 Tests)
15. Kurtley Beale (91 Tests)

Reserves
16. Jordan Uelese (8 Tests)
17. James Slipper (95 Tests)
18. Taniela Tupou (18 Tests)
19. Adam Coleman (37 Tests)
20. Lukhan Salakaia-Loto (20 Tests)
21. Nic White (30 Tests)
22. Matt To’omua (51 Tests)
23. James O’Connor (51 Tests)

Michael Cheika and the selectors have thrown caution to the wind and named the side predicted in yesterday’s news. The biggest gamble is the selection of two test rookie Jordan Petaia at outside centre. The 19-year-old has shown enough for Reds fans in his eleven games for us to be less nervous than the rest of Aussie rugby but that doesn’t mean we’re not worried.

Taniela Tupou replaces the safer option of Sekope Kepu on a bench choc-full of impact players including James O’Connor.

Meanwhile, Eddie Jones has named his side

  1. Joe Marler
  2. Jamie George
  3. Kyle Sinckler
  4. Maro Itoje
  5. George Kruis
  6. Tom Curry
  7. Sam Underhill
  8. Billy Vunipola
  9. Ben Youngs
  10. Owen Farrell
  11. Jonny May
  12. Manu Tuilagi
  13. Henry Slade
  14. Anthony Watson
  15. Elliot Daly

Bench

16. Luke Cowan-Dickie, 17. Mako Vunipola, 18. Dan Cole, 19. Courtney Lawes, 20. Lewis Ludlam, 21. Willi Heinz, 22. Henry Slade, 23. Jack Nowell

 

Paula Ngauamo get seven weeks

Tongan hooker Paula Ngauamo has become the 11th player to be banned at Rugby World Cup 2019. Ngauamo has been banned from rugby for seven weeks after admitting to kicking an opponent in the face during Sunday’s World Cup match against the United States.

The disciplinary committee applied an initial ban of eight weeks but reduced this by a week taking into account the player’s early admission and disciplinary record.

World Rugby chief Brett Gosper implored coaches to change their ways to protect the players from serious injuries.

“Player welfare is our number one priority,” Gosper said.

“There will be diminishing red cards as coaches change. It is there to protect the players.”

Wallaby coach Michael Cheika has been a vocal critic of the referee crackdown on illegal tackles.

However Gosper believes it is the coaches who are out of touch and need to adhere to the guidelines to prevent players from spending time on the sidelines with suspensions.

“It is right to punish the team despite the balance of the match at that time,” Gosper said. “This is one of the things that upholds the values of the game and the team should take the punishment as much as the players.”

RUGBY WORLD CUP 2019 BANS

Sept. 25-Reece Hodge, Australia, 3-match ban, dangerous high tackle on Fiji flanker Peceli Yato

Sept. 26-Rey Lee-Lo, Samoa, 3-match ban, dangerous high tackle on Russia fullback Vasily Artemyev

Sept. 27- John Quill, United States, 3-match ban, dangerous tackle on England back Owen Farrell

Sept. 27-Motu Matu’u, Samoa, 3-match ban, dangerous high tackle on Russia fullback Vasily Artemyev

Oct. 1-Facundo Gattas, Uruguay, 3-match ban, dangerous high tackle on Georgia flanker Shalva Sutiashvili

Oct. 6-Andrea Lovotti, Italy, 3-match ban, dangerous tackle on South Africa No.8 Duane Vermuelen

Oct. 6-Nicola Quaglio, Italy, 3-matchban, dangerous tackle on South Africa No.8 Duane Vermuelen

Oct. 7-Tomas Lavanini, Argentina, 4-match ban, dangerous high tackle on England flyhalf Owen Farrell

Oct. 10-Josh Larsen, Canada, 3-match ban, dangerous high tackle on South Africa prop Thomas du Toit

Oct. 14-Bundee Aki, Ireland, 3-match ban, dangerous high tackle on Samoa flyhalf Ulupano Seuteni

Oct. 15- Paula Ngauamo, Tonga, 7-week ban, kicking face of United States opponent

200 Tests For Greg Clark!

Greg Clark is a constant voice in the ever-changing landscape that is Australian rugby. While coaches and players come and go Clarky’s voice during Super Rugby and test matches seems to have been with us forever. Over on Foxsport his co-worker Nick McCardle reveals all in a hard-hitting expose. Here are some highlights.

McArdle: On the road you often tell us about your short but spectacular rugby career. Can you share the details of your unfulfilled potential?

Clark: I played mainly rugby league as a kid, junior rep and first grade when I was 17 in the bush.

Once I went into radio the rest of my sporting career was pretty much social.

I often joke that of the people working in the Fox Sports rugby team there are hundreds of Test caps and hundreds of Super rugby caps, and two caps for Queensland subdistricts.

And I’m very proud of my rep career.

I’m fully aware of the fact I didn’t reach my potential.

I could have been anything apparently.

McArdle: Calling rugby is so much more than a job for you. You’ve made a life in rugby. What do you enjoy most about rugby and the world of rugby?

Clark: I love the game, I love the people, and it’s a worldwide game, no doubt about that. We’re experiencing that at the Rugby World Cup in Japan at the moment.

I’ve had so many opportunities to meet great people and travel to some wonderful destinations.

The total package is what I love about rugby.

There are great people who play rugby, work in it and support it so to be a part of that community for so long is very special.

McArdle: What happens on tour stays on tour. (For example, we should never mention Tim Horan’s favourite drink is Malibu and milk, or Phil Kearns was mugged by Russian mafia during the 2015 World Cup.) But of the stories that can be told, which is your favourite tour yarn?

Clark: The first thing that comes to mind was that flight over the Andes in South America from Santiago to Mendoza.

I don’t know how all of you on that flight felt but I didn’t think we were going to make it.

It was the roughest flight I’ve ever been on and the most terrified I’ve ever been.

We do a lot of travel in our job but I’ve never experienced anything like that and I will never forget.

Kafe’s still not fully recovered.

And then there’s the commentators meeting which I think was originally Kearnsy’s brainchild. Whenever we got to our destination midweek, preferably earlier in the week, we’d have a commentators meeting.

It was Chatham House rules, it was all off the record and these meetings could go for many hours at times.

We tried to solve the problems of our sport and of the world.

There’s been a lot of laughs in some weird and wonderful places.

And I will always get a laugh out of “I’m just at Lake George.”

That’s the catchcry whenever anyone’s running late for a pre-game production meeting. Whenever Kearnsy was late getting to Canberra he would ring and say, “I’m just at Lake George.”

He could be in the M5 tunnel, still in Sydney, but he was always “just at Lake George.”

 

Click through to the link and check out the video of the Foxsport team learning the Argentinian team’s names, well worth it.

 

New Signings for The Waratahs

Michael McDonald passes (Photo by Stephen Tremain)

New NSW Waratahs Head Coach, Rob Penney has started to put his mark on the playing group with the addition of two Junior Wallabies to his playing roster. Penney has signed loose forward Carlo Tizzano and halfback Michael McDonald for the 2020 Vodafone Super Rugby season.

The signing of the Perth duo takes the NSW Waratahs count to 13 Junior Wallabies from the squad that made their way to the Final of the U20 Championships in Argentina this year.

McDonald – originally from Carlingford, Ireland – emigrated to Australia with his family in 2013, where he has been a member of the Rugby WA’s Academy.

The 19-year-old scrumhalf represented Western Australian in the U19 Rugby Championship in 2018, as well as appearances for Perth Spirit and now Sydney in the National Rugby Championship (NRC) – he joins the NSW Waratahs on a three-year deal.

Another Rugby WA Academy product and Australian U20, Tizzano joins the NSW Waratahs on a two-year deal.

An energetic loose forward, Tizzano picked up the Fortescue Premier Grade’s P.G. Hampshire Award as the competition’s best and fairest player.

Representing the Australian Schoolboys in both 2017 and 2018, Tizzano will join a NSW forward pack featuring Australian U20 teammates Pat Tafa, Will Harris and Angus Bell.

NSW Waratahs Head Coach, Rob Penney said the addition of Tizzano and McDonald would further strengthen his squads next generation of players.

“We’ve [coaching staff] been busy looking into what is a wealth of talented, young players on the books here at the [NSW] Waratahs,” Penney said.

“NSW has a proud history of player development and the current crop of Junior Wallabies are testimony to that, adding Michael and Carlo represents an astute piece of recruitment from Tim Rapp [GM of Rugby].

“We’re always wanting to look within our own system when bringing players though, but being able to provide external players an opportunity to be involved with the [NSW] Waratahs is also important.

“Michael and Carlo are excellent young players looking for an opportunity in Super Rugby, they were part of what was a very successful Australian U20 squad this year and I’m excited about their potential amongst a young group of players.”

McDonald who has been playing under Chris Whitaker for Sydney in the 2019 NRC said the prospect of playing Super Rugby was an exciting one.

“It’s one of the premier rugby competitions in the world, to be involved in the squad here at the [NSW] Waratahs ahead of next season has been enjoyable so far,” McDonald said.

“Playing in the NRC [for Sydney] has been a great experience, working with a guy like Whits [Chris Whitaker] day-in-day-out has already been really beneficial.
“I’m grateful for the opportunity to come across and play for the [NSW] Waratahs and get started for next season.”

Tizzano was looking forward to beginning life in a Super Rugby set up.

“It’s exciting to be coming across to the [NSW] Waratahs,” Tizzano said.

“I know a lot of the guys from the [Australian] U20s and Schoolboy squads, playing and training alongside them is something that appealed to me.

“There’s a strong group of coaches and a lot of experienced players that I’ll have the opportunity to learn from and compete with over the next two seasons – I’m really looking forward to it.”

 

  • Jcr

    Think I’ve cracked Cheika’s plan of not worrying about the opposition. If you think it through logically , if you place no emphasis at all on what the opposition does then it means if the Wobblies score 0 , then it’s a draw , if they score more than 0 then they won the game as the opposition don’t exist. So based on this being correct the Wobblies haven’t lost since Cheiks took over . I don’t know what everyone’s been worried about .

    • Wonky Donkey

      Sounds like quantum theory, smart!

    • Andrew Luscombe

      I think the concern is that some of the players might pay some attention to the opposition during the match and stuff the whole plan. I think I’ve detected this happening at times over the last couple of years.

    • Mica

      And they drew in the last Bledisloe game which is pretty bloody good against NZ.
      When do we get the cup back?

  • Custard Taht

    Good to see a couple of boys from the Waratahs feeder/development teams transitioning to the big leagues.

    • AllyOz

      I almost missed the sarcasm font. :)

      Awesome photo by the way Shane, what a lucky boy to have that shot but he looks in awe so I think he appreciates. it.

    • AllyOz

      I almost missed the sarcasm font. :)

      Awesome photo by the way Shane, what a lucky boy to have that shot but he looks in awe so I think he appreciates. it.

  • onlinesideline

    T minus 36 hours and counting ….

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaVVns_sTGY

  • onlinesideline

    T minus 36 hours and counting ….

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaVVns_sTGY

  • Sevenwithasixonmyback

    Dear Mr Cheika,
    “Whooshka boomie. Let’s go”.

  • Sevenwithasixonmyback

    Dear Mr Cheika,
    “Whooshka boomie. Let’s go”.

  • Greg

    One more sleep guys. Gee I hope it is a good game.

    • Sevenwithasixonmyback

      Whilst I am dreading another loss to a team we should normally be beating (in better times), I am strangely and calmly anticipating an upset win.
      We may all be very surprised to see the Wallabies play unhurried football, patient and well behaved at the breakdown, minimal handling errors, straight running with good use of the backline, tackles below the shoulders, KB neatly gathering and running the ball back rather than instantly putting on the toe or bolting for the sideline, swift dispatch from the scrumbase and goal kicking accuracy at 100%.
      All that would surely confuse the Poms and Eddie’s game plans would fall to pieces.
      Then all we need to do is get past Ireland and we’ve never lost to Japan…
      Bill’s in the bag, boys and girls (and others)

      • Hambone

        Sounds about right to me. . I love it when a plan comes together.

      • Mart

        I did enjoy the way you’ve got the rest of the games playing out…although Japan at home for the final could be tough ;)

      • Patrick

        Mate that would confuse me not just the poms!

    • Sevenwithasixonmyback

      Whilst I am dreading another loss to a team we should normally be beating (in better times), I am strangely and calmly anticipating an upset win.
      We may all be very surprised to see the Wallabies play unhurried football, patient and well behaved at the breakdown, minimal handling errors, straight running with good use of the backline, tackles below the shoulders, KB neatly gathering and running the ball back rather than instantly putting on the toe or bolting for the sideline, swift dispatch from the scrumbase and goal kicking accuracy at 100%.
      All that would surely confuse the Poms and Eddie’s game plans would fall to pieces.
      Then all we need to do is get past Ireland and we’ve never lost to Japan…
      Bill’s in the bag, boys and girls (and others)

  • Greg

    One more sleep guys. Gee I hope it is a good game.

  • Duncher

    Hey, I thought Mako was starting ahead of Marla?

    • Hoss

      He is

  • Duncher

    Hey, I thought Mako was starting ahead of Marla?

  • Nutta

    Bloody hell. Well it’s nothing if not brave. And the Gods love a gambler and hate a coward so there is that I guess…

    I’m struggling here…

    • onlinesideline

      don’t worry – personally this is old style aussie coaching that I miss. Right behind this. We have always done well when taking selection punts like this. He’ll be fine, in fact I tip he’ll cross the line more than once.

      • Wonky Donkey

        Jordan potatoe for 3 tries and assists sum

      • Patrick

        When was the last time we did well on a selection gamble like this?

        • AllyOz

          Tim Horan, Jason Little and Phil Kearns … maybe even Nick Farr Jones. So not recently necessarily but quite successful in those terms. Oh and I am talking about Phil Kearns the rugby player not the commentator.

        • Patrick

          Come off it AllyOz. Whilst in theory I would agree that they were successful gambles, even if we put aside the fact that they played a literally different game, Horan and Little had played together for 5 years before they were selected for the Wallabies, and Horan was one of our all time gretest players.

        • AllyOz

          True but we didn’t know that he would be an all time great when first picked. Petaia may or may not go on to be the same. I think at that age picking a relatively unknown centre pairing even if they played some junior rep footy and s bit of Colts/1st grade is still relatively risky – they were 18/19 year olds.

        • Patrick

          I agree I just think it was overall a really different time and game.

          Also, if he was slotting into an established line up, again that would be better.

          But making it up as you go is not how modern rugby works.

        • Yowie

          …unless you’re a French ref.

        • AllyOz

          Yes it was certainly a different time. I don’t think my examples blunted your point. If anything they probably emphasised your point given all those examples are 30 years plus ago.

        • onlinesideline

          3 amigos ?

        • Patrick

          Even they were from (fading) memory all “blooded ” in November and with 4 or 5 times as many super rugby matches as Petaia. And alongside players like Mortlock who frankly was a rock of stability in our backline. I’d feel a lot better about Petaia if he was running on at 14 outside Stirlo (even more so if was coming off the bench).

          And of course it crippled all their careers to various degrees which I suspect is your point!

        • Who?

          The last player to be blooded with less Super Rugby experience than Petaia was James Slipper. 100 minutes of Super Rugby (across the last two games of the season), 10 Tests by the end of the season. He survived, but it was hardly a kind way to introduce a prop to the top level. Also, he wasn’t in a RWC knockout game in a new position.
          .
          Before him, we’re probably looking at Taf, and before him Gits.

    • onlinesideline

      don’t worry – personally this is old style aussie coaching that I miss. Right behind this. We have always done well when taking selection punts like this. He’ll be fine, in fact I tip he’ll cross the line more than once.

    • Happyman

      He is good enough so he is old enough and look at it this way the SD’s won’t have much game tape on him

      • laurence king

        I think the lad is probably going to handle the situation quite calmly. It would be quite a mistake for the Poms to target him as they might get more than they bargained for

    • Patrick

      Nutta you are too young to be fooled twice like this: http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/what-the-hell-are-you-doing-cheika/

      • Nutta

        Damn you’ve been sitting on that one for a while yeh? Fair play. And to be fair he did do all those things and picked us up a little. But our development went no further did it? Not in personnel or in tactics. Sad.

        • Patrick

          In fact I fell across one of my comments on it by accident. The enthusiasm almost across the board struck me and was indeed a bit sobering :(

  • Nutta

    Bloody hell. Well it’s nothing if not brave. And the Gods love a gambler and hate a coward so there is that I guess…

    I’m struggling here…

  • Kiwi rugby lover

    Thanks Sully,
    Boy I’m looking forward to the rugby this weekend. I’m in Korea and have found a pub here it’s being shown so life’s good.
    Don’t really care about anything else now just hanging for the game
    Good luck for the Wallabies, ABs, Wales and Japan but thinking it might be England, ABs, Wales and the Boks

  • Kiwi rugby lover

    Thanks Sully,
    Boy I’m looking forward to the rugby this weekend. I’m in Korea and have found a pub here it’s being shown so life’s good.
    Don’t really care about anything else now just hanging for the game
    Good luck for the Wallabies, ABs, Wales and Japan but thinking it might be England, ABs, Wales and the Boks

  • Yowie

    Based on absolutely no research, I reckon Greg Clark’s team’s plane trip over the Andes would have to be the worst plane trip over the Andes that a rugby team has ever had to deal with.

    • Happyman

      A worse one does spring to mind lol

      • Yowie

        Bad food or something?

        • idiot savant

          At lease they knew they were eating meat. With some of those airline meals you’ve got no idea.

      • donktec

        yes, but that was a soccer team…

        • Happyman

          Not quite mate Old Christians Rugby Team but seriously tough guys who made a seriously tough decision.

          I think one of them went on to coach the national team in 03 or something. But in any case a truly great story of the human will to survive.

        • Yowie

          When you look at the writhing agony that befalls the average soccer player when another player brushes past him, I don’t know if a planeload of soccer players would survive a bumpy landing let alone a crash.

        • Damo

          Oh, I’ve seen many a soccer player writhing in the aisle after the drinks trolley has hit them on the elbow.

        • Yowie

          Did the male flight attendants murmur “FFS what a drama queen”?

        • Funk

          Don’t mention that to any Man U fans…

        • A Dingo Stole My Rugby
        • Yowie
        • BarneySF
        • Yowie

          Gold.

        • donktec

          ! oops, my bad! read the book many years ago, it was gripping. hard to image yourself in that situation and if you would or could make the same choices

      • GeorgiaSatellite

        Best plane crash scene ever (OK, maybe not the pilots’ acting).
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACQtzWEzWLE

        • Yowie

          Jerry Bruckheimer might have ripped-off the “plane sliding on the ground for bloody ages” thing from Alive when making Con Air

    • joy

      Not quite:

      Uruguayan Air Force Flight 571 was a chartered flight that crashed on a glacier in the remote Andes in 1972. Among the 45 people on board, 28 survived the crash. Facing starvation and death, the survivors reluctantly resorted to cannibalism. After 72 days on the glacier, 16 people were rescued. The flight, carrying 19 members of a rugby team, family, supporters, and friends originated in Montevideo, Uruguay and was headed for Santiago, Chile.https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/717cd6de668bee93af1f9b95de7221b4c25d95ac3420ac5e023e785016c80d79.jpg

  • Yowie

    Based on absolutely no research, I reckon Greg Clark’s team’s plane trip over the Andes would have to be the worst plane trip over the Andes that a rugby team has ever had to deal with.

  • Custard Taht

    I am calling it now:

    Wallabies 34 d Poms 25 (Without Foley, the Poms have lost an easy 14 points)

    France 27 d Wales 22

    Japan 30 d Sprinkboks 27

    Ireland 28 d All Blacks 21

    • Yowie

      Those results would be awesome.

    • Patrick

      That is where my heart is (give or take 50 points for the Wallabies)… but I can’t see it.

      • Custard Taht

        No Foley!

        • Hoss

          I go back to Segalls comments leading up to that dogs breakfast of a display, something like ‘we were always going to make those changes (Spanners in) for this game’

          That’s perhaps the single most perplexing comment of Segall’s reign and history will show we got the rugby equivalent of a bulldog eating porridge. I understood the ambition, but fuck me, the execution and result……..

    • Caeliv Donnelly

      To the upvotes!

      Although Wales will be too good for France. France are dreadful.

    • From NooZealand

      I feel betrayed, Poor me, my brothers you no longer are, Just acquaintances from now on. Who am I kidding, I still like you, after all CT is entitled to his opinion. Wallabies, Wales, Japan and All Blacks

      • Custard Taht

        I fear the extra week off, plus playing only one hard game at the start against the Saffas, followed by 2 easy games, has the the All Blacks under done. The Irish on the other hand aren’t, and will be out to restore some pride after the Japan loss.

        • From NooZealand

          Do you think so? truly? ((:))

  • Brumby Runner

    Hasn’t the signings of McDonald and Tizzano been announced some time ago? I seem to remember a previous announcement just after the U20s Championships, but in any case I certainly had it in my mind over the past month or so that both would be with the Tahs in 2020′

  • Hoss

    Morning all,

    Like many here I am strangely calm and excited about our chances tomorrow. I proudly wore the replica jersey on my morning walk (yes fat guys need exercise too) and got stopped plenty of times and asked about our chances which I staunchly supported – can’t wait.

    And Nutta, U owe Rugby NSW an apology. Our development and promotion out west, way out west is paying massive dividends for the Tah’s……..

    • Happyman

      I am a bit like you mate. Australia has a great game in them and this might as well be it or we will bemoan a team that had the ingredients but never quite managed to get it together.

      If this is the last week we have MC as coach I can at least say he was prepared to do it his way. He does not listen to the outside noise and is prepared to stand in the firing line for his team.

      • Yowie

        Frank Sinatra’s “My Way” might be a good song for Cheika, except for this bit-

        I planned each charted course
        Each careful step along the byway

        • joy

          I thought they employed him to do it my way.

        • juswal

          Somewhere (the Philippines, I think) there is a historical phenomenon of murders in karaoke bars prompted by renditions of ‘My Way’.

        • Yowie

          Bloody hell, you weren’t making that up – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Way_killings (a very strange read)

        • Hoss

          Shocking and in such a progressive, principled, disciplined and generally dignified place such as the Philippines – real head scratcher.

        • onlinesideline

          Stay safe out there – sing “I did it hisss way”

    • Where would we be without em.
      Rugby NSW, the guardians of all that is good..

    • idiot savant

      Yeah Im looking forward to what Cheik has been working on the last 4 years. This selection is.. honest. Its saying the only way we can beat them is to score more tries so they have picked an attacking side to do so. My only concern is that Sanchez can pull the odd RDO when least expected. Lets hope he turns up. I have loved his work off the bench when the opposition is a bit more tired. And Gilbert, nows your moment son.

      • BarneySF

        Can I be _that_ guy and mention that we scored more tries than the SD in the 3-test series?

  • Damo

    Just trying to work out if the early leaking of the correct squad was designed to bluff, double bluff or triple bluff Eddie. Maybe Eddie doesn’t analyse the opposition so it didn’t matter.
    And 2 things
    1. The unforced selection of a teenager in a midfield pairing never tried before in a test could be the most insane thing ever in RWC.
    and
    2. Go for it! I really hope it’s a masterstroke.

    • Eddie does though. Unlike Cheika, while England have a core game plan you can clear see it get tweaked for the opposition.

      Look back to this year’s 6N and how they just swamped the Irish 9 and 10, smacking Ireland off the park, they attacked France differently, in wider channels and so on. Their core “big runners and power + pace” identity was still there, but their identification of where to run, who and how to defend changed. You’ve got to think Tuilagi at Petaia, Vunipola at Lilo, probably Itoje, Lawes as extra bodies to rucks to counter the Pooper is current tweak. Whoever they pull to cover for Lilo, that gives you the other Vunipola running, or Sinkler.

  • MungBean

    Henry Slade is certainly adaptable with being able to run on & ride the pine. I assume he will replace himself.

    • Tah Tragic

      Good pickup. It should be Ford.

    • Andrew Luscombe

      But at what minute will he replace himself? I hope there is no argument about him replacing himself more than once.

      • Yowie

        If he gets red-carded for an infringement he’ll only have one more chance off the bench.

    • Ads

      Just like in 2003 when those pricks had 16 on the pitch at one point didn’t they?!

  • AllyOz

    My read of the selections is that we are going to try and outscore England, and that should make for an exciting game. The selections of JP and KB (even more so KB) suggest that we are favouring attacking prowess over defence and banking on the bit of extra spark they can give. KB’s spark has spluttered a little bit lately so I am not so confident there. I thought JOC brought a lot and had expected that combination with JP maybe on a wing so we’ll just have to see how it goes. Had we carried Banks as back up in the squad rather than AAC we might have had the opportunity to have brought him through like JP.

    I wouldn’t be surprised to see both teams score over 30 points.

    While I made contrary comments yesterday (in jest obviously) I do hope this doesn’t come down to a referees decision. So both sides, keep your tackles down and minimise the chances of error. 15 vs 14 for any length of time will likely impact on the result and I would rather this be decided by the quality of the rugby.

    • Yowie

      So, if i understand correctly, Cheika’s plan…is to try to score more points than the opposition. Egad! That’s almost crazy enough to work. I’ve been underestimating the old fox.

      • Sevenwithasixonmyback

        Why didn’t Larkham think of that?
        A complete re-write of the play manual is in order.

        • Yowie

          Bloody Larkham. The damage he’s done to the side has yet to work it’s way out of the system 9 months after he left.

        • Seb V

          Why do you blame Larkham and not Cheika? They didn’t agree on the way the wallabies should attack so the poor attacking performances over the years stops at Cheika. Not that Larkham has shown he’s any good in that area but either has Cheika (beside’s his one dimensional Tah-ball that worked only at the Tahs).

        • Yowie

          It’s a joke. More specifically, arguing a logically-flawed point in opposition to the more rational assessment that “Larkham cannot have been the problem if the same issues persist 9 months after his departure”.

      • Andrew Luscombe

        Yes, he’s aiming to score four and three quarters more points than the opposition. You are underestimating him.

      • AllyOz

        I meant as opposed to stopping them from scoring more than us. But you know what I meant didn’t you …. now I’m not sure what I meant.

        • Yowie

          I did, but I never miss an opportunity to make a facetious comment about Cheika’s strategic nous. I’ve got no idea what I’ll comment about when the Wallabies get a proper coach.

        • Damo

          You are quite justified in being facetious about Mr Cheika’s faecious- ness.

        • AllyOz

          You’ll think of something.

        • Patrick

          You’ll discover inner peace

    • Hambone

      Kurtley is due a purple patch this world cup. Will be watching with anticipation for him to kick it up a few gears tomorrow against those heathens from the north .

      • Seb V

        I hope his 50/50 passes comes off and he learns how to catch. Well actually lately it’s more like 80/20 passes. But at least there’s a chance some of this plays will stick, or maybe he’ll finally learn to hold the ball after making a break.

        • Hambone

          When kurtleys on. There’s no one better to watch carve. I just hope he has flipped the switch. He’ll bring it. He loves playing this mob

        • Damo

          Like the rest of the team KB needs to be “on” , but also smart and patient. I think so often Cheika sends these guys out there in a frenzy and they are trying too many things at once, and before they settled into the rhythm of the game. Mistakes are made and all of a sudden the score is 3-17 or whatever. Then it’s catch up.

      • Mart

        god damn i hope you’re right. better off bench for mine

        • Yowie

          Agreed. It’s a joy to watch Beale carve-up through tired players in broken play.

        • Patrick

          You must have recorded a lot of matches because when was the last time you saw that??

        • When he came off the bench in TRC this year. Don’t remember which match it was now, but he cut it up for the last 20 or so. I honestly probably wouldn’t put him in my 23 but I don’t mind him in the 23 shirt…

        • Patrick

          I would have left him in Australia, because as we’ve seen DHP has offered more with every single touch than Beale all tournament, and is would have fully expected as much of Banks.

          But I can see the argument for him as a potentially devastating sub and I’m not against that, I see that as perfectly justified as much as my preference. This is different to say Foley whose selection I saw as madness and not seriously defensible.

        • Like you, I’d have left Beale in Australia. But since he’s there, I wouldn’t mind him in the 23 jersey, just not the 15.

        • Patrick

          Then we are in unreasonablely furious disagreement :)

        • Custard Taht

          Beale is not a potentially devastating sub, he is always a devastating sub…..The only question is who does he devastate, us or the other side.

        • Patrick

          Love it

    • Seb V

      It’s an interesting selection that’s for sure. But I’m guessing dropping JOC for Petaia has also led to dropping DHP for Beale, not that I agree with Beale over DHP, but I can see the logic in having another playmaker in the backline given the loss of another distributor in JOC. JOC deserves to be dropped and I guess they see Petaia as the best option based on his skillset and Kuridrani’s lack of combination with Kerevi. So Petaia and Beale come as sort of a package deal. I’d still prefer to lose some playmaking prowess for the safe hands of DHP – but again, there is a bit of logic behind it, rather then just “come out all guns blazing in attack” – Petaia may actually be better in defence then JOC.

      • AllyOz

        Yes agree, particularly with your KB as play maker point – JP may well be a better defender, certainly a bigger one, the point re: defence was more about KB to be honest. As you say, there seems to be definite strategy to the selections and perhaps more than just all out attack, however I do think Cheika is an all or nothing type and isn’t particularly risk averse, he is willing to put all his chips in on this one game and I still do expect it to be high scoring.

  • Mart

    Can someone have a word to Penny that we need second rowers not halfbacks

    • John Tynan

      More halfbacks!!
      More flankers!!

      • Yowie

        haha, would fifteen openside flankers on the field (and eight of them on the bench) be too much?
        I mean if two is good in Aussie rugby, more must be better.

  • Brendan Hume

    that England team looks different to others I’ve seen announced – I though I’d seen Mako and Lawes starting.

    • joy

      The RWC website has them starting.

  • Mart

    My only gripe with the whole Petaia situation is he was available last year for Bledisloe’s when Kerevi and Kurandrani were out But who’d they go with?… Hodge who had played zero minutes at 13. We still got spanked by 30 so why not try the young blood then. He was the next in line at the time on form. They waited till now a much bigger game to give it a shot…. Good planning fark me

  • Mart

    The English number 8 is the difference in this game. If Isi can contain him we are in with a shot

  • LBJ

    If we get the Win this weekend, Cheika deserves a bloody Order of Australia!

    • Yowie

      Do they award the Order of Australia Medal for getting lucky despite ostensibly having made a mess of things?
      In that case can someone please nominate me for an amazing drunk night-out I had during my uni days? I’ll write more details on the form.

      • LBJ

        Well you can keep death-riding our team if it makes you feel better in case we lose.
        But for mine, there’s a deliberate, long term effort to build a particular style of attacking rugby – and we’re about to find out if we are good enough to execute on it.
        And lets be clear, it wasn’t luck that scored 47 points against the AB’s.

        • AllyOz

          it helped that they were one man short for the entire second half – that was a touch lucky, or at least beyond our control.

        • LBJ

          Absolutely – but Cheika had the team prepared to take the opportunity and put more points that ever before on NZ. I’m just trying to put credit where its due. Cheika is trying to achieve a very difficult thing – winning pretty.

        • Who?

          If he was really doing that, he’d have selected Australia’s most attacking 10. And picked real finishers as wingers.

        • AllyOz

          Barrett was sent at 39′ mark – Australia scored it’s 5 of it’s 6 tries after that – 45′, 48′, 61′, 68′ and 78′. So it was pretty crucial.

          We have, ourselves, one of the poorest discipline stats of any tier one nation, we should have been given a red card against Fiji (according to the judiciary), gave away 2 yellow cards against Uruguay and 1 against Georgia. So it might be that the thing that contributed to one of our best wins of recent times turns around and bites us this weekend if we don’t have our sh&t together and that is part of the coaches responsibility. And ours hasn’t shown he’s been able to bring it into the culture just yet, in fact, many argue he is contributing to our lack of discipline.

        • LBJ

          You’re absolutely right about discipline – and it might play a big role in this QF – and the rest of the games unfortunately.
          The rationale I think is in the strategy – he’s selecting an enormous forward pack (biggest tight five?) and directing them to be super aggressive – but they’ve still got to be disciplined, a tricky balance.

        • AllyOz

          Any pack with Rory Arnold in it will be , at the very least, the tallest pack. England might go close in terms of pack weight. He has a strategy, and it certainly involves a big aggressive pack and the performance of the pack, with the possible exception of discipline, has been improving. Set piece has generally improved. He appears to be able to bring out the best in some players like Tolu Latu, who had a pretty poor year until he came into the Wallabies. But there are aspects of our game that i just don’t understand or if I do understand them I think they are beyond the capacity of any team to match, certainly this one.

          Apart from some elements of the forward packs efforts, I haven’t seen that general improvement that you talk about and we seem to be either rocks or diamonds and more often than not, against the top level sides, it has been more of the second recently.

          I am pretty conservative, risk averse by nature. Cheika clearly isn’t. I will be cheering just as loudly as anyone else when the games on though (actually I won’t as I am a bit of an introvert but I will be cheering very loudly on the inside).

        • Yowie

          I think our team are doing their best in very difficult circumstances placed upon them by management. Eg, ideally the lineup and combinations would be more settled by now. Likewise, I suspect (but can’t prove) that the directions on strategy are not Macqueen-esque.
          I think the team did well to score 47 points against the ABs, but some luck has to have been a part of it (as it is with every victory).

        • Who?

          Let’s be fair, you can’t say something’s a deliberate, long term effort in building an attacking style when you sack your attack coach 9 months out from a RWC. Or when you play a 19 year old at 13 for the first time in Gold and hopefully second full game this year (given he didn’t make it long into his second game this year).
          .
          And, just wondering, did Eddie Jones get an Order of Australia for getting to a Final? Or Robbie Deans for winning Bronze. Or even Cheik for Silver in 2015..? I believe this is arguably a better forward pack than we’ve had since 2003, and perhaps even better than that one (certainly better depth in the front row – this bench front row is better than that starting front row was). We’ve got good cattle (who are equally developed by the Super teams), and I can only remember one performance in the past couple of years where they played as the sum of their parts or better (Perth).

        • LBJ

          Actually Larkam’s dismissal is evidence of the long term strategy – he wasn’t sacked because he was ‘no good’. He was let go because he had a different view on the strategy to the head coach – and that’s unacceptable for any leader. For what its worth, I’d like to see Larkam get an opportunity to coach the Aussies next to see if his approach is better.

          Of course, I don’t think anyone would prepare for your best 5/8 to be recovering from Lukemia (incredible) but to his credit, Chieka has given CLL the best chance to compete anyway, or for the guy who scored 26 points against the Poms 4 years ago to be badly out of form, or for our highest ever tryscorer to be sacked just before the tournament.

          What I’m really saying is that this England side is one of the best I’ve seen – and with Jones as coach they will be one of the best prepared – which will makes them deserved favourites in most matches, including this one.

          But Cheika has thrown something at them that even Eddie couldn’t be prepared for – we will see if it works, & if it does – he deserves serious accolades. If it doesn’t he’ll get the opposite – which this group has being doing for years anyway…

        • Who?

          As perhaps the first who called out the Emperor’s tailors’ deception, well before the website turned (they stuck with him through until almost the end of 2018, I could see the negative trends not being reversed in 2016), I’ve always tried to give credit where it’s due. And tried to avoid hyperbole.
          .
          Larkham was sacked as a scapegoat. I believe Adrian – arguably Cheika’s greatest apologist, given his almost unerring optimism – is correct in saying that Cheika’s loyal to a fault, even well beyond a fault. So even though there was a clear and public disconnect between them in June 2017 (I mean, what does it the attack coach is on public record saying he didn’t know that a bloke would be making his debut at 12 until the public naming of the team?! Yet he’s the one still coming up with attacking structures?!), Cheika retained him until the pressure to dump someone was unbearable. And whilst Cheika was loyal to Larkham (someone Adrian and others have posited wasn’t Cheika’s choice as a coach, but someone who ended up in the role due to Cheika’s own poor attempt at gaining buy in from the Super coaches), he was always going to be more loyal to Grey, who won the 2014 SR Final with him.
          .
          It’s worth pointing out that Shaun Berne has noted that many of Larkham’s attacking plays are still in the playbook, because they’re useful. Which credits Larkham as being the architect of the Wallabies’ attack through his tenure. He gets sacked for underperforming (when the greater issue was that our defence was conceding 40 points far too often and averaging over 30 points conceded through 2016-18 – this year’s figures are off, given the abbreviated RC and Tier 2 teams at the RWC), but his plays are retained?
          .
          Beyond that, the G&GR Team of the Week Fly Half for the Super Season was Mr Q. Cooper. Followed (closely) by Leali’ifano. Yet this RWC, we’ve seen Foley and Toomua at 10, alongside Leali’ifano. Mr Cooper implemented Mr Berne’s attacking plan all season at the Rebels (and the game plans were almost identical), with commentators not specifically favourable to Cooper like Stephen Hoiles pointing out that all the issues with the Rebels’ late season fade came from a lack of forward dominance and then a lack of flexibility in the game plan.
          .
          In terms of the guy who scored heaps of points years ago against the Poms, he’s had barely a handful of quality games in Gold. Ever. That includes the Pool match in 2015 (where he was a close second best on ground, behind Beale, in my long held and consistently repeated opinion. Repeated, because I’m far from a Beale apologist but he was excellent that day, and credit where it’s due).
          .
          Voldemort? Fair enough, but also worth pointing out that he continued to play him at fullback, when it was blindingly obvious to everyone that he was a right wing, just as he had been when he debuted against the Lions with his double, just as he was when he played for the Broncos.
          .
          I agree that England are a quality side, and that Eddie doesn’t believe in leaving bases uncovered. In fact, I’m confident that he’ll be more aware of Petaia’s abilities (from the limited time he’s had, given he’s been injured so much the last year) than Cheika or the entire Wallaby coaching team would be about Slade.
          .
          However, to say that someone deserves an Order of Australia because a massive gamble pays off (playing a kid with no combination to those around him in a crunch match against huge opposition) is taking away from those who achieve the same with less of a roller coaster ride and arguably a less skilled talent pool available for selection.

        • juswal

          Post of the Month

        • LBJ

          You’ve made it consistently clear – this team could win the world cup and you would still think he’s a bad coach who should be made a mockery of. That’s your prerogative and you’re entitled to it.

          Just as i’m entitled to tell you what my response is:

          I think that death-riding the team and its coach in this way and so consistently is more damaging than any and every on-field loss. We can see it in the players attitude, and from Cheika himself – the stunning absence of support from home is shocking to me. It’s a culture that’s seeped into Aussie rugby – and I don’t like it. Instead of coming together as a nation at a critical time on a grand stage, you are making a conscious chose to divide.

          I’ve made a simple attempt at a humorous comment in support of the Aussie coach, on the eve of a massive game for us, on a site called “Green and Gold Rugby”, and the response has been simply astonishing. A couple of thousand words fro people who claim to support Aussie rugby about how much he sucks – no matter what. No possibility of proving themselves through results on the field or devotion to the game. That’s not rational critique.

          There’s a lot of conjecture about ‘what is the problem with rugby in Australia’ – we need look no further. More time is spent fighting with ourselves than with the rival codes and other obstacles to success. Its deeply disappointing.

        • Who?

          I support the team. I don’t believe the coach is up to the task. If the team manages a win tomorrow, I’ll be very happy. If they lose (as many expect), I’ll be disappointed for the guys who go out there and give their absolute all for us. Because I don’t believe they’re being given their best chance to do the job.
          .
          You don’t have to like the extraordinary negativity around the game. I’d rather it weren’t there. But when you have an incompetently run organisation (from the RA Board down, through the coaching staff), what else do you expect? Cheika (and Clyne) have consistently demonstrated their inability to meet expectations. When you set expectations of failure, there’s only a few ways things can go:
          1. The standard MO is for those with the negative track record to be sacked. The public then give the new people a chance to sort things out before results are expected.
          2. The underachieving organisation makes changes and results improve. Eventually – and this takes significant time – supporters come around. Because most of us are idiots, we then think we were wrong ever to doubt the leadership, leading to us accepting the same failures in the future (generally from the successors of the organisation). The Richmond AFL club’s probably a good example of this.
          3. The underachieving organisation fails to adapt/adjust sufficiently, and everything stagnates.
          .
          We’ve seen notable changes (not organisation-wide – Clyne’s still there), we’ve seen one good result (Perth), but for the most part, it’s been no change. Our results, generally, haven’t really changed. We generally beat the ABs every 6-10 games, certainly we expect there’s a good chance in RWC years (we won Bledisloe 1 in 2011 and 2015, we were smashed in Bledisloe 2 in 2015 @ Eden Park), and the ABs don’t have a great track record in the 3N’s/RC in RWC years (2011 + 2015 Australia won, 2019 the Bokke won). But we were smashed off the park by the Bokke, we struggled to get home over an Argentinian side that rarely beats anyone, we were beaten by Wales (maintaining our failings against the Home Unions under Cheika) and we looked clunky against other teams we faced.
          .
          Given that the last minute shuffling of the deck chairs on the Titanic hasn’t really turned it around – even adding extra navigation staff hasn’t changed the path sufficiently significantly – then why it is any surprise the rugby public is still depressed?
          And it’s not like the Titanic was a bad piece of engineering – it was in fact splendidly built. Just poorly directed. Like a bunch of excellent players who we want to see succeed wearing Gold jerseys in Japan.
          .
          Remember, this is a situation where the major decision to ‘fix’ our coaching issues was to release the bloke heading the area that had the fewest failings over the previous 3 years. 2016-18, we conceded how many points? 2017, we actually scored a good number of them. But instead of the head coach or defence coach leaving, the attack coach was sacked, and not replaced until July.
          .
          RA is an organisation that can’t sell a positive story. Even the things it does well end up being negatives. I can’t think of them at the moment, but there’s been genuine good news stories this year. Which RA, in selling them, have somehow turned into negatives. So when there’s negatives, what hope is there of RA spinning it back to neutral..?
          .
          I don’t mock Cheika. I think he’s a decent bloke. You generally don’t see me using disparaging names or even adjectives. I do think he’s a poor coach, one who is well above his skill level, who doesn’t understand the scale of the job as it stands these days. It’s fascinating to me that Colin Cooper – who has had a reasonable amount of success as a coach – has stepped down from the Chiefs this year saying that the expansion in the scope of the role of head coach in the past six years takes him beyond what he feels is his competency and certainly his comfort zone. It takes a lot of courage and integrity to make that sort of an admission.
          .
          Lastly, if you feel that your statement was humourous, perhaps the issue is that it was far too subtle to be recognised as humourous..? If something has to be explained as being funny……

        • Patrick

          The negativity comes from the pit in my stomach, just like when the squad was selected, just like when the team for wales was selected. I’d love to not feel it but that would require fixing all the things Who and a million others have pointed out.

        • laurence king

          The time is coming Patrick when that will be like a memory, we have the makings of a great side, a few years away maybe but it will be exciting.

        • Patrick

          I actually agree with this but I think we need a new coach to realise that dream

        • laurence king

          Yes, absolutely.

        • John Tynan

          I don’t like the 3 1/2 years of slash and burn in between World Cups, all because he may be a good “tournament coach”.
          No doubt he is a motivator.
          But as a selector and strategist, we (the broader Australian rugby community and all of it’s various stakeholders) deserve much better.

        • laurence king

          I would rather see four years of good footy and not win the cup than four years of brainless play and win the thing.

        • Who?

          I can even deal with losses. It’s why the Game of the Century is still so loved by fans. We didn’t win it, but it was a great contest, two teams playing at their peak. No stupidity, nothing better to be done, just the way it fell out.

        • laurence king

          The previous best game before that -The ABs against the Barbarians in 73 captivated me and I have loved the game ever since and yes that game where Jona Lomu won the game at the death left me cheering. Rugby was the real winner in both of those games and for many years that has been my experience in watching the Wallabies, ‘no cowards rusted away lurking in their tents’.

        • laurence king

          Mate, Cheika is the worst performed Wallaby coach I’ve seen in 50 years, his results speak for themselves. It’s not the fans that has been screwing this team.

        • joy

          I agree with your position. It’s a breath of fresh air. However I also agree with most of Who’s points and he has been a respectful critic. To identify disrespectful critics open a few daily news comments pages and search for “ass clown”.

        • As one who uses AssClown, sorry, he lost my respect about 2 years ago.

          I keep it polite beyond that, but there comes a point where it’s unacceptable. The buck should stop somewhere and it should stop with the head coach getting fired.

          There is a long, and by now boring, litany of players who in the opinion of many have not deserved to keep wearing their G&G jersey but kept getting picked. There is an equal long list of tactical issues on both sides of the ball. The two, to some extent, interact. There is a common feature behind all of this and no sign, until someone forced a selection committee on Cheika of any of it changing.

          At some point he ceases to deserve continued respect because he doesn’t appear to respect the job.

        • joy

          There is little recognition for the achievements of the Cheika era: tougher forwards, vastly improved set piece, higher fitness levels, staunch resolve, strong leadership, coach/player loyalty etc

          I also agree with the many failings you highlight. The answer is to find a coach that melds Cheika’s reforms with the strong cerebral characteristics of Australian rugby.

          There is no need for Ass Clown in all this.

          Should you still think I am a Cheika apologist, had he selected Cooper and Folau we would be in a much better space today. Regardless, we are in with a show.

        • I think loyalty, in this case, has tipped over into blindly picking players who are not (perhaps not any longer) the best for the job. It’s tempting to take your other positives and question how many of those are down to Cheika to. Is that simply prejudice on my part? Maybe.

          But I’d suggest the improvement in the Wallabies’ forwards goes back to an improvement at the Brumbies under White and to some of foreign players increasing forward play at the Rebels and the Force giving the Australian forwards a skills boost too. Not so much Cheika as a pool of higher skilled tight five forwards from the SR franchises. Enhanced more recently with the Reds.

          Equally, if that story of Cheika’s fitness training regime which blew out Pocock’x calf among other injuries has any level of truth, it’s hard for me to credit him as this great fitness guru.

          I’m aware I might not be giving him credit where it’s due. I just can’t help feel these things would have got better anyway. And while calling him names is petty it’s a fairly accurate and fairly polite shorthand for I feel about him.

        • Neil Pocock

          Your list missed leaving out our most sucsessfull 10 this generation and highly in form playmaker…..despite having only 2 legitimate 10s in the whole squad……. one of which is years into a form slump and wouldn’t make any other team in this WC, while the other,as weird and new news as it may seem all of a sudden…is still recovering from Leukemia!
          Some might think that to be an extension of the WOEFULLY inadequate growth and development in young 10s at Wallaby lvl the last few years!
          And guess what…… the number 1 place the wallabies have lacked is attacking cohesion! Strange that!

        • laurence king

          It’s been a while since Foley has shown any great form in the Wallaby jumper, and I dare say, but for the presence of two other selectors we would probably be seeing Foley tomorrow night. I don’t think Cheika has changed one iota, his wings have been clipped, that’s all.

        • John Tynan

          “Deliberate”?!?

        • laurence king

          It’s a Cheikarism, essentially it means the same as ‘spin’. Flipping hek, Hannigan would be the no. 6 tomorrow night but for our new selectors.

        • Patrick

          Fuck me you are an optimist.

        • Brisneyland Local

          He is our new Adrian!

        • laurence king

          No one here is death-riding the team, we just recognize the limitations of the coach.

        • Huw Tindall

          Welcome to the optimist club where it’s always sunny LBJ :D

        • Custard Taht

          I think the Wallabies will win….But in counter to your it wasn’t luck that the wallabies put 47 on the All Blacks, it also wasn’t luck they put 36 on the Wallabies and held them to zero points.

      • Neil Pocock

        Well that’s how you earn noble peace prize awards these days….

    • laurence king

      If the team manages to extricate itself from the hole that Cheika has dug for it over the last four years, with crazy defense strategies, selections, favouritism etc etc., good luck to him, hope he succeeds. But a medal, certainly not.

    • Custard Taht

      Or do we just give him another week of coaching the wallabies.

  • LBJ

    Penny had literally zero to do with those signings – negotiations have been going for months before he was appointed & he doesn’t even start till Nov. Possibly a phone call to let him know whats happening.

    • Huw Tindall

      Are we piling in on the new coach already!? Tough crowd.

      • Yowie

        But how many games have the Waratahs actually won under Penny at this point? Zero. The pile-on is justified.

        • Huw Tindall

          When can I roll out the “in for a Penney in for a pound” phrase to show my support for the new regime?

        • Yowie

          If he gets involved in any sexual harassment scandals, he’ll be known as “Penney Pincher”

  • Hannes En Brianda Barnard

    Congratulations to the author for writing an article about Carlos and MacDonald, WA grown players without mentioning the word Force or Future Force once! Why?

    • John Tynan

      “Rugby WA Academy” mentioned a number of times?

      • Hannes En Brianda Barnard

        WA’s Rugby Academy was closed when the ARU pulled funding. So it just fuel on the fire…
        Looks like Force is the new F word.

        • Yowie

          It is for a bunch of quokkas!

    • juswal

      To annoy you.

      • Hannes En Brianda Barnard

        The name that must not be named…. silly

  • Patrick

    I had the misfortune to recently re-read a post on this site from just before the Eden Park Bledisloe where, having just beat the Nearlies at home, Cheika made a raft of changes including selecting QC. We were all, myself included, a bunch of little puppies we were so excited about the radicality of it all (that, or we were just still drunk from the Sydney match).

    Of course, that unorthodox approach crashed and burned. I hope, I always do, I hope so bloody much I feel stupid, that this is the same.

    But I’m bracing myself for the pain.

    • John Tynan

      Was that the QC 10, Foley 12 game?

      • Patrick

        Yes – but it was like reading a post from a parallel universe, even I was so enthusiastic :(

        • John Tynan

          I find it hard to believe we went for that en masse? Really?
          Unless I’ve gone all self-revisionist, I remember thinking it was a hamstring for QC.
          Going to look at my old posts too now!

        • Patrick

          I was surprised too, hence the parallel universe feeling. I found it, though:

          http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/what-the-hell-are-you-doing-cheika/

      • Who?

        Foley played his first game at 12 in 2016. Toomua was the starting 12 in that game.
        That game played out as I expected. Forwards smashed off the ball, looked spent at 25 minutes. And of course Cooper managed to give away a PT and YC right as the ABs were run completely rampant (due to Wallaby exhaustion), so he was blamed for the loss.

  • Mishad

    Even though Fox has the rub on the Rugby coverage these days, Gordon Bray is the name still synonymous with rugby union in my book. 50 years and still going.

    https://10daily.com.au/news/sport/a191003nadlb/the-gordon-bray-interview-youve-been-waiting-50-years-to-read-20191011

    • Yowie

      Good on him. Google searching is letting me down at this point, but I recall a true story about Gordon Bray having a playing appearance for the Wallabies ages ago in the amateur era when they were down a player and he was a nearby Aussie at short notice.

      • BarneySF

        I remember this. I think it was for one of those legends/golden oldies tourneys no? He was a certified ref at one point?

    • laurence king

      Yeh, better commentary team on 10, fair minded as a rule and Bray knows the rules

      • Yowie

        Bray also has the guts to insist on the correctness of a decision (under the rules) against the Wallabies on-air even when his commentating colleagues are carrying-on with a bit of “that’s ridiculous!”.

        • onlinesideline

          Kiwis score
          Kearns “OHHH thats forward – 3 schooners please”

      • Greg

        laws?

    • juswal

      When I had Foxtel, I switched to Channel 10 for Wallabies matches to avoid hearing the useless, crass Greg Clark. Gordon B. is getting a bit eccentric these days but he is both a Wallabies fan and a skilled broadcaster.

  • Greg

    This time tomorrow we will know. I am looking forward to a great game!

  • Glen Field

    Took a long time to get through this comments board. Well worth the investment as I sadly can’t get a rise out of anyone on the group whatsappies about this RWC. A sad barometer on where things are at …. which is why, this game is so important. Cheika has had a tough brief from RA – to play a style of rugby that’s attractive enough to stop the torrent of mindshare flowing to the AFL and Rugby League. Parking the nearsightedness of RA here for another thread, there’s clearly two sides to that coin and it’s come up tails more often than not … The “we’re going to play rugby at them mantra” is a pretty inflexible one in an environment where the best teams of the last four years have had most success soaking and absorbing pressure and then counter-punching. Shocked at how much the ABs have become a kick-chase-turnover-exploit team … Teams that realize that and look to clear lines against the ABs are now finding Barrett. I do like the intent from the Wallabies but the execution has evaded us, the lack of a Plan B has hurt us, and I think the reasons are complex and interchanging over the last handful of years. A big one was always our inability to win offensive and in particular, defensive line-outs. Didn’t matter how much “rugby we ran at” teams, if they could get a turnover and pin our corners, we were a good chance of coughing up a penalty or worse as we tried to work it out. Hats off to all of RA for serving up a quality line out and ostensibly working that out (bc it’s doesn’t just turn on Cheik) … In 2016, England pants’d us by playing 23 man rugby. It was the first time I’d really noticed the importance of playing a 23 man game and being tactical with substitutions. Losing it in the last 20 minutes became a constant refrain for us. Again, hats off to all of RA for serving up the potential of a very strong bench. Cheik may have gotten the composition wrong, but the cattle is now clearly there in 1-23. Those two developments put us in a conversation with England this weekend. I do believe we have a far higher ceiling and are due a good 80 minutes. My concern is that we still have one string to our bow – to play rugby at them. England have two – to soak our attack and eek out a penalty here or there AND maybe score a meatie for themselves. Two birds in the hand is worth four in the bush. All that said, Wallabies by plenty …

  • ozrugbynut

    Hey fellas, will there be a live blog/post for the match on gagr?

    • Greg

      only if we are winning! :-)

  • Jay Mack

    Am fascinated with Aus backs interchange – tho must pincer on Farrell early on.
    Farrell kicks to Petaia will be interesting.

  • Parker

    Bugger off Cheika

    • laurence king

      It is interesting that we haven’t been allowed to play our game at all. It’s been the coaches mantra that that is all he has been concerned about for the past four years, that and running rugby. Goodbye Mr Cheika

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