How do you solve a problem like Danny?

Roscoe Tims May 10, 2011 42

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Danny Boy can kick

In the 1959 Rodgers and Hammerstein musical The Sound of Music, the Austrian Nonnberg Abbey nuns mused about how to pull effervescent young novice Maria into line.

How Do You Solve A Problem Like Maria they sang, eventually packing her off to the Von Trapps to see whether life outside the Abbey would do the trick.

The Melbourne Rebels have a similar problem with overseas signing Danny Cipriani, who has every mountain to climb to regain respect from his club and teammates over his off-field goings-on.

And it’s looking increasingly likely that he’ll be packed off too. I mean, he’s 23, not sixteen going on seventeen.

The story to date is that Danny doesn’t seem to have that much self-discipline, especially when it comes to a drink. No, it isn’t quite of NRL mungo proportions (he’s not ‘raping and pillaging’) but perhaps at a more sophisticated English level. They call them Hooray Henrys over there.

His lack of self-discipline has got him into trouble a couple of times – but wait, there’s more. After being stood down for the Reds match last weekend, after he broke the code of conduct by heading out on the town in Sydney with Richard Kingi, it appears he got on the turps again the following night.

Importantly — and in a professional rugby club environment this is a hanging offence – he didn’t turn up for training the following day. The Dandenong Hills are alive with the sound of… gnashing teeth!

As a consequence, he’s been left at home like a lonely goatherd as the squad head off to South Africa for a couple of weeks. Danny will be training with the dirty dirties in Melbourne and attending to his other obligations, apparently.

They’re saying the decision to remove him from the tour was a team decision. Geez, he must be seriously offside with his cohorts to ‘lose their confidence’. Maybe the Rebels should have listened to what was coming out of the England squad last year before they signed him.

Here’s what I wrote in February 2010:

As for the signing of flyhalf (or fullback) Danny Cipriani, that seems to me to be a fairly risky venture. Despite the fact that during his brief career he has played for England on seven occasions, he’s certainly had his highs and lows.

The highs are punctuated by a precocious talent and ‘breath of fresh air’ feeling amongst the stodgy and conservative English setup. The lows have been well reported and relate to his character, or alleged lack of it. By all accounts he marches to the beat of a different drummer and is not a team player.

The Posh and Becks lifestyle is neither here nor there. However, this guy reportedly ain’t a popular dude amongst his fellow players.  Nothing antagonises Australians more than Hooray Henry prima donnas.

They’re trying to set up a unique culture in Melbourne – I think part of it was called a ‘no dickheads policy’. I’m struggling to see where this fellow fits into it?

Now, that was common knowledge back then. What does that say about the professionals who employed him? Leopards don’t change their spots, do they? Martin Johnson had obviously got it right.

It’s clear that this guy has got some demons to overcome. Maybe he’s decided that downunder isn’t all its cracked up to be. He doesn’t seem to be a happy camper, but it was his choice to come here. You can tell he’s a quality player but for someone with his background you’re probably expecting a little bit more.

Get a grip!

There are still places in the professional game for people with a dash of personality, chutzpah or a bit of individualism. However, rugby is a team game and everyone has to pull their weight, both on and off the field. If he’s not prepared to do that then he probably needs to be discarded.

Three strikes and you’re out! Has he reached that threshold yet? It’s not as though these ‘offences’ are major but I guess cumulatively they’re starting to add up and everbody’s patience seems to be at an end.

Danny Boy, you’re going to have to smarten up. You’re a commodity contracted to deliver on your undoubted potential. Whether you become a ‘misunderstood’ lost soul like Gav or not, well, that’s up to you. We want to see you at your best – otherwise, it’s your reputation on the line.

Maybe the PRO D2 in France is starting to look good after all?

Discussion

  • http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/ Gagger

    Seems to be an open secret that he’s been on the market for a few months now. Rumours of him already signed for Stade Francais?

    If so, this could be a way of checking out early – perhaps subconsciously

    • Lance Free

      Yeah, they were also talking Toulon as a replacement for Wilko when off to the RWC. I don’t think there’s too much doubt that it’ll be a one-way trip from the Rebels..

      • Skip

        In Toulon tere’s a certain Australian ex Force scrum half not opposed to clocking those who piss him off that will be looking forward to meeting Danny.

  • Bobas

    I say he needs to do more sippriany and less chugriany.

  • JDog

    Maybe he can talk to Matt Henjack?

  • http://welshrugbyblog.co.uk Rugby Nick

    The toulon rumour is just as a loan – but then the Rebels might be glad to let him get in the shop window in an effort to offload him.

    Problem is from what I have seen of the Rebels Cipriani is actually good at making them tick. I have hardly seem a lot but they don’t look the same team without him?

  • RedsHappy

    Lance:

    I rate you highly, but there is something disturbing, dark and unsavoury about this titillated ‘top billing’ and the endless jackal-like posts regarding Cipriani’s troubles. I felt the same over the venom poured out over Cooper’s reported laptop travails, when few observers had the full facts, and we were dealing with a young, talented played exposed in the media spotlights at a young age.

    Cipriani lit up the Rebels for a time, and was highly praised, and the crowd loved him. In a playing respect, Australian rugby could do with this. Where are the crowds and gate receipts in Sydney and Canberra headed with a now (and yet again) dangerous combination of entrenches losses and utter dullness of play? OK, his defence is poor, and, now, he cannot obey team rules and is paying the price. But who knows of the real problems he has and precisely why he has them? Who knows if a humane response that does not bay for blood and humiliate and ‘I told you so’ might yield the finer, more likely route to a better Cipriani? No talented person ever reforms solely via self-righteous and ‘holier-than-thou’ condemnation from the outside world. Real change comes from understanding, and getting to the heart of a person’s demons.

    Remember the Kings Cross final act of drunken brawling that, with the generous support of his team mates and a thoughtful not brutalising ACB, turned a young Ricky Ponting around, and thus, in that process of personal reform, was laid the platform for the full emergence of a great of the game?

    But I must declaim now a greater anger: whilst we bay over the likely carcass of this wayward talent, we, here, GAGR, the supposed once-radical place of real rugby debate, post as main blog essay not a single passing comment on a shocking recent chain of poor governance in our code’s top body. This is where the spotlight should be shone, and fiercely: we have an ARU CEO that saw fit to take a very large, short-term, 6-figure, cash bonus whilst cuts were being made all around and no less than 3 state RUs were/are struggling for viability, then sought to attempt to not have that fact openly declared in an Annual Report, then, without any justification or suitable explanation to fans by the ARU Board, had his contract renewed for no clear reason, then, although all previously declared (in 2008) Wallaby performance KPIs (eg, 70+w/l% ratio, a number of BCs and 3N silverwares in HQ cabinet) upon his commencement were not achieved in any manner over 3 full seasons, the national coach, pre RWC, has his contract renewed (with glowing praise) for 2 or 4 more years without any form of proper justification or the decency of granting the fans that finance the Wallabies any form of non-patronising statement as to how and why much better in 2011-13 is expected and will be obtained. Our code is being eaten up slowly by AFL, soccer, etc, and the above symptoms are as clear as can be demonstrated highly dangerous signs of elite governance decay in accountability, responsibility, and actual performance, yet we let them all go quietly aside, no boats should be rocked, no powers should be offended, let’s just leave it to Wayne Smith at the Aus to be the only witness of real courage over such matters – gee, we’ve got Saturday’s game to worry about!

    Cipriani is a soft and easy target. We ignore the deeper, systemic issues that blight the very core of management of our code’s long-term health, at our peril.

    • eMack.

      That was excellently written and just reversed my opinion on the entire matter. Just so you know.

      The fact of the matter is, apparently Cipriani concerns himself only with making it back onto the England squad. Someone should make it clear to him that this won’t happen unless he sorts his shit out.

      • http://welshrugbyblog.co.uk Rugby Nick

        If that were the case why is he in Oz?

        • Skip

          the above post (novel) makes some excellent points but I am not going to sympathize with this englishman. For him, rugby is clearly a means to getting laid and the trade off, whether he likes it or not, for trying to wear his cock off with a sequence of attractive women is press comment.

          We, the fans, pay his salary via tickets and fox sports, so fuck him if he can’t follow the team code and stay off the terps in good time for a top level game. To add insult, while he’s giving the clap to every c list celeb in Melbourne & crying into his beer ‘cos some scotsman is porking his former girl, he’s taking a spot off an Australian. It’s not like we’re short of fly-halfs!

          That said, to the excellent list of articles worthy of discussion mentioned above, I would add the Bledisloe stitch up to save the NSWRU’s financial bacon ‘cos no one wants to pay money to watch the ‘tahs.

        • Koala

          He is in Aus to prove the he has the attacking flair to match it with guys like QC and dan carter, in an effort to show big bad martin that he can lead a backline, thus diversifying the game of the English sides beyond trying to push their way to victory.

          Super XV is a backs competition (tahs had the reds scrum under the pump 2 weeks ago, and it only took one moment of QC brilliance to turn the game) so as a fly-half why wouldnt you want to come here to play?

    • Who Needs Melon

      You’re right. It’s easy too pick on the soft target. Fun too. :)

    • James

      Christ, we have a hemmingway in our midsts

    • Scarfman

      It’s not either/or. I think G&GR should cover both issues.

      The Cipriani story is easy to decode. Macqueen would have asked Johnno and others what they thought. They would have told him. Cips would have said – they were unfair, I want to play in Oz to get away from all that media crap. They believed him. But it seems like it was Cips all along, and I’m sure the Rebs will be dumping him at the first opportunity. Good opportunity for one of the European-based Oz flyhalves to come home.

      • Skip

        @koala. My point is we have enough 10s in Australia that we don’t need this guy. As the reds match proved and you allude to is that we ought to get from engl*nd a prop or two. Quade, et al, show we have enough 10s, but some world class props to deepen the pool is worth considering, as you point out via reds v tahs.

        I understand why he is here but I don’t think the ARU is magnanimous enough to help a pom re-discover his form in a world cup year, I just think it’s a bad call. Lance, I suspect may take issue with your comment about SXV being a back’s tournament and submit the reds v stormers game as a counter argument.

    • Darkhorse

      While I agree with what alot of what you say, I have a strong suspicion that you work for one of those state unions and turning every blog into a discussion about people you have a problem with, all whilst hiding behind an avatar, isn’t fair game. I find it ironic how your post argues against ‘jackal-like posts’ whilst simulataneously baying for the blood of O’Neill and his cohort. A little hypocritical? It seems a couple of people are a little bitter after the attempt to block O’Neills reappointment failed.

      What has John O’Neill got to do with Cipriani?

      Lance has done exactly the same thing as you have in your response.

    • http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/ Gagger

      Haha – RH that’s the best one yet, from Danny Cipriani to the evils of JO’N and Dingo!

      But seriously, it may just be that others don’t share your view. For the snippets and hearsay you get out of Wayne’s articles, I know that under JO’N and Dingo:

      - the ARU was rescued from a course to bankruptcy
      - participation numbers are higher than ever before
      - we are second in the world
      - we have a 5th franchise

      It’s not all rosy, and it’s not all done in a manner I’d like to see (rugby administrational politics may just have something to do with that) but in balance, it’s headed in the right direction. Just.

      Hence my lack of blind outrage every time Wayne Smith writes a story.

    • Michael

      RH, your musings have garnered some well thought out responses. What would be your suggestions for a solution?

  • http://www.rebel-army.com Travis Tee

    Cipriani is a dynamite attacker and brilliant kicker, he can make things happen on the ground that others would only dream of. When his mind is in it.

    It left, during the bye, as Ms. Universe came along, as the Rebels slid downhill (even further) and his defensive errors were not only more frequent, but more obvious and directly cost points, and games.

    Danny is on a one-way ticket to Europe. Whether its france, back to the wasps, or another club, he is heading back…. he even had a trial with a Soccer (association football) club on his way to Aus, so maybe am extreme code jump???

    • Who Needs Melon

      Sorry but that’s rubbish. He is NOT a dynamite attacker. He is a good kicker, ok at most other things and a crap defender. How much does he challenge the line, make line breaks, set up others for line breaks? He neither passes like Cooper nor offloads like SBW or even Burgess! Nor does he step like Digby, chip like Beale or swerve like Mitchell.

  • ScrumJunkie

    I think he thought there would be no temptations down under, no cool places to be seen… and he would be able to concentrate on his game.

    He should have played for the Brumbies, Canberra has very few temptaions, and no cool places to be seen. Also we could have seen a quad-half system!

  • muffy

    All interesting points.

    Working with teens as a coach, you can see how rugby is the perfect tool for keeping the wayward on the rails.

    Danny’s talent could hand him the world on a platter, but he needs to have more respect for those around him that let his talent frankly earn him a living. Such as spectators, other players and club structures.

    He clearly believes he deserves his accolades/salary/star status etc and that is what is destructive.

    Until Danny fully understands appreciates what he has, he will not change. (I dare say that was the change in Ricky). He needs to learn, but doesn’t need an “I told you so”.

    Danny, pull you finger out develop some self respect, put your wanger away, and the world will be your oyster!

    Good luck son!

  • Lance Free

    One of the things that we write about is what’s newsworthy. Cipriani is newsworthy and lately for all the wrong reasons. I’m not making it up – its all true. Just like QC’s appalling behaviour down the Gold Coast. Here’s a guy that we pay a motzah for to come down and do the business and he’s just fucking it up. This is not acceptable as a professional rugby player. He gets deserved criticism and who’s to blame? Danny Cipriani.

    Sure, all is not rosy in ARU land but Wayne Smith has a vendetta against JON and the ARU, I’m not sure you’d want to buy into that, would you? Smith gets leaked ARU Board material from his mates at the Vic Rugby Union and elsewhere. I don’t have access to that stuff – nobody’s leaking to me! However, I’ve never been afraid to hammer or praise those I think that deserve it. And that will continue.

    • redbull

      I don’t know Lance. Why can this blog not buy into the ARU management? They are paid more than the players and can fuck the game more certainly than the players.

      The problem is that, as you say, all the things that need reporting on happen behind closed doors and not on the field.

      On the Danny Boy front. I would say that the Rebels are either kidding themselves or are all happily married with kids to have what would appear to be reasonably tough standards. You state in the article that the misdemeanors have been just that. A bit of tomfoolery out on the piss should not end your career. Shitting on the floor of the hotel is another matter…..

      • Lance Free

        This blog has been critical of the ARU before. I mean, we have a go at anyone if its deserved. Likewise, contributors to the Forum do as well.

        But the things that Smith has been writing about (and we all read in the Australian, which I have to say is without doubt the best rugby newspaper in the land) are based on information provided directly to him from his ‘sources’.

        When did you and I find out about JON’s salary? When we read it in the Oz the other day. If that’s true, is his salary deserved? Well, maybe. If the Wallabies win the RWC you’d all say yep!

        When did we find out that Dean’s contract might be extended for a few years. Well, there’s been talk for a while but it hasn’t ‘officially’ been announced as yet, but it was reported in the Oz the other day that it might happen. It’s no secret that JON is a fan. Is that a good thing? Probably, he’s one of the best coaches around and there has been a bit of progress made.

        Are there issues with downsizing state academies and replacing them with just a few centralised ones. More than likely, but I haven’t heard much about this until I read the Oz the other day. Is there a problem with NSW juniors or whoever losing an U16 team to the Nat Champs. There is if you’re in NSW I guess.

        Who is JON answerable to? The ARU Board who have some very capable people on it. He’s not just some loose cannon and a law unto himself (regardless of what some might think). Some of the things we’re discussing here today are decisions made at Board, not JON, level.

        Does Smith have a vendetta against JON and the ARU. It certainly looks like it to me. It was obvious with the formation of the Melbourne Rebels what his views were and it has carried on with just about everything else. I can’t remember him having a good word to say about them. That’s his opinion and that’s what he writes. Good on him. But I don’t really like the look of some of it – it appears to have become personalised.

        Sure, some of those things he’s been reporting in the last week or two I’d agree with, but not most. His stuff is always well written and entertaining. I mean, the guy’s a top journo. Now, I’m happy to write about anything that takes my fancy and that I might know something about (in between game previews and reviews). I’m not sure any of the above actually fits into that category but I am working on another post as we speak…

        PS A lot of people wouldn’t agree with Smith’s (or RedsHappy’s) sentiments. Here’s an alternate view:

        http://www.theroar.com.au/2011/05/11/good-news-is-that-oneill-deans-will-stay-until-2013/

        • Gnostic

          Sorry Lance I will have to agree with RH 100% on this point. I am a buisnessman first and foremost and I know how to control groups of people. The ARU board may have capable people on it but their have become little more than a compliant rubber stamp for the CEO. In reappointing a CEO and Head of Operations (Coach) you would complete a due dilligence which would include a full review of the success and failures of the individual’s tenure. There are many intangible successes that can arguably be credited to the coach such as development of youth (it is arguable because talents such as JOC and Beale would have been developed by any coach). What are the tabgible results, a change in the mode of play of the squad, nil trophies of any consequence in the cabinent, a shocking win:loss ration more acceptable for a tier 2 nation. On to the CEO what are the results – a turn around of the financials of the Head Office, disillusionment of the grass roots, small deals blown out of proportion and promoted as earth shattering comercial successes (ANZ/Stadium OZ or whatever it is called these days).

          What can really be seen is that the CEO has moulded the board with capable yet compliant figures (read as team players if you prefer management speak), the Province RUs are told to comply and toe the party line and run things as we say or we shall with-hold funding. The media (all forms) is told (not overtly of course) do not be critical of the ARU, CEO or Coach if you want to have access to players and officials for any meaningful interviews or releases.

          On a smaller scale it is why the Waratahs go on a merry-go-round every year with the same problems apparent year after year and no meaningful insightful comment is ever made by any media outlet, lest no more interviews are given.

          Any business reappointing their senior managers months before the major test of their management of the company deserves the massive payouts they will be forced into if those reappointed happen to fail. Such reappointments are rarely made in the business world, and then only when the managers are unquestionably successful or they have as I said an unhealthy level of influence.

          I have been an unabashed fan of JON for many years, but this whole situation has me questioning what is going on, and the fact that nobody else (Smith only) has even raised these concerning issues adds to my suspicion.

  • slydare

    I’m a little torn on this one, admittedly some of the criticism of Cipriani has been verging on the “holier than thou” – this article not included. But I’ve got no time for the “inner demons” line of defense (as pioneered by the mungos).

    Danny’s more than old enough to control himself, and the standards expected of him are very clear. I might add that none of the expectations are all that onerous either.

    There’s no real excuse for him, and the path forward for him is pretty simple. There’ll be no shortage of support for the lad should he decide to try and make an honest go of it. I hope he does!

  • bazaar

    RedsHappy

    Your entire post is preposterous. I have followed Cipriani for 6 years, in London where he was the leading player in the Guinness Premiership for at least one year and now in Australia, where he is playing very poorly by comparison.

    Australian rugby has no duty of care to a highly paid overseas recruit. He is not carrying his weight on or off the field. He has been given chance after chance by Johnson and Wasps, and now MacQueen. He has 7 tests. 7. Who does he think he is?

  • Barbarian

    RedsHappy I strongly object to your comments. As Lance said we are non-professional writers who largely have no idea about these off-field matters other than what we read in the papers. We have no connections, no inside word.

    But more than that, we write what is interesting to us and the large majority of fans. You accuse us of not being ‘corageous’ as if it is some life-threatening matter that we decry the ARU’s supposed incompetence. But truth be told when I see yet another essay from you about poor governance and KPIs I switch off. It’s boring. I care far more about on-field rugby than backroom dealings, as important as they may be. This weekend’s games get me going far more than anything the ARU can throw up.

  • Nutta

    Why I am thinking about Lote, Wendal and the guy who got pissed at a company dinner last week in front of customers?

    Oh yeah, that’s right; people hired to do a job who didn’t/couldn’t/wouldn’t abide by the standards/expectations of their employer and so got punted.

    What’s the difference? What’s so hard to grasp? Here’s a contract. Here’s the terms and conditions. Sign it and work by it or don’t. You must be accountable for your own actions.

    Get rid of him. There are plenty of other folk who would chew off their left nut for the chance he just pissed away

    I am likewise baffled at why, in the midst of putting forward team “culture” as an apparent competitive advantage for the new franchise, the same folk who put up that concept would sign off on the acquisition of such an asset so clearly at odds with that said culture in the first place (all about team, no dickheads etc).

    Where I work (ASX top 100 company), following a dismissal the ex-employees resume & record is assessed in a review by HR. If it was found that I (the manager) did background checks on a certain prospective employee that identified an issue, still hired that person, stood by them through the reported indescretions (and the unreported ones) and then finally went for dismissal…well… I may as well hand in my resignation before the focussed conversation that would eventually cost me my job even began about why was the dickhead hired in the first place. All indicators here pointed at a problem child. Yet they still hired him? In such a virginal organisation? Some serious questions need to be asked in that administrative group

    • suckerforred

      Hypothetical conversation 12 months ago :

      McQueen : “Danny we know you have had some issues with being a dickhead and drinking to much but would like to give you a go.”

      Danny : “Thanks”

      McQueen : “These are the terms and conditions of your employment. Do you think that you can abide by them?”

      Danny : “Yep”

      McQueen : “Do you understand the consequences of not abiding by them?”

      Danny : “Yep”

      McQueen : “Good. Sign Here and welcome to the Rebels.”

      What I am trying to get at is that we do not know the negotiations that happened before, or since, Cipriani signed with the Rebels. I know that I have employed people, done all the right checks and balances and they have turned out to be absolute shockers for one reason or another. Difference in this case is that Cipriani’s previous form is not that hard to find out.

      Don’t care who you are, you sign a set of terms and conditions and then you have to live by them. If being left out of a few weeks of rugby, and a conmensurate drop in pay, wake the boy up, good. If not he only has himself to blame.

  • Jets

    My opinion on this matter seems to change as often as I change clothes. I don’t believe in placing drinking bans on players unless they are in the Todd Carney category. These players are key decision makers in games so they should be responsible in making decisions in their day-to-day life. Danny likes to take risks. It’s part of why I love watching him play.
    In light of what has come out though it seems that maybe the Rebels are doing the right thing. Better they get chastised by some of us here for this than get to the point where there is a real incident and we all sit around saying, if only they took a stand earlier.
    Who knows what conversations took place when they recruited him? I for one think they were looking for a headline and Danny was the man to put them in the news, not just here but in Europe too. His signing would have made other European based players sit up and think going to Melbourne could be an option. When Knuckles sat down with players on his European trip he could always point to the Rebels having signed one of the most exciting players in the world. It would have been a good selling point in my view.
    What interests me is what happens now. Does he go to France or back to England. I am sure there are a number of clubs who would love to have him. I hope not. I would like him to stick around, make some changes and earn back his spot in the Rebels starting side. I would also like to see him regain the form that we have only seen glimpses of in Australia that made him someone worth taking a risk on. It could well be the making of him. That’s what I would like but probably not what will happen.

  • Smithy

    Maybe the Roosters will sign him, though he might have to do worse to qualify to their standards.

  • Muffy

    Arn’t we all growd up here, this thread has brought out the philosophical scribe in all of us,

    Lets put this into perspective, he is:

    1) a Pom
    2) a back and
    c) not a Queenslander!

    :)

    • Swat

      Point 1 makes point 3 obsolete. Silly queenslanders and their struggle with logic!

      • Muffy

        I think you mean point c..

      • redbull

        What about migrants who settle in Oz? Like Saffas in Brisbane and Perth, Poms in Perth, Paddies in Sydney and Kiwis all over the bloody place?

  • slydare

    Can someone enlighten me as to how a discussion of the Cipriani situation (which is entirely between the Rebels and the Cipriani) became a debate on whether G&GR is critical enough of the ARU and JON?

    Personally I hope G&GR conentrates to the on-field side of things. The JON/Gaddafi tribute should be the benchmark for everything else…

  • Lance Free

    If you have never seen the Sound of Music I can wholeheartedly recommend it. The stageshow is excellent and does the rounds periodically. Some of the songs include:

    Climb Ev’ry Mountain
    Sixteen Going on Seventeen
    (The Hills are Alive with) the Sound of Music
    The Lonely Goatherd

    (+ Do-Re-Mi, Eidelweiss, My Favourite Things, & of course How do You Solve a Problem Like Maria). There are actual tunes, melodies and words in the music….

  • Chief

    Lance, liked the article.
    I have often wondered what Wayne Smith’s problem is with the ARU/JON.
    His constant harping against them does get to be a bit of a pain after a while.
    Enjoy his straight rugger pieces though.
    The problem for the Rebs with an errant child like Cippers is that the whole focus of the organization / media can be on the particular person and detracts from things.
    I know – being a former chairman of a large club – from personal experience where we had an import – so help me if it wasn’t this it was that with him every darned week. In the end we were glad to see him return overseas.
    The amount of time devoted to such an individual is completely out of proportion to their importance in the over all scheme of things.
    Whereas the other guys just go about their job without any problems – they are the people who should be getting the attention.
    As far as this nonsense about deep seated issues comments above have spelled it out – you are getting paid to do this, these are the rules etc – if you can’t meet your obligations don’t sign.

  • Robson

    The only part of this debate I can’t reflect meaningfully on is the likely re engagement of R Deans as WB coach after the RWC.

    To me it’s a no brainer, a truly preposterous supposition to make. Deans has got so far in the drama of Oz things rugby, but his record is far from shiny bright. If he wins the RWC, by all means reward him with continued employment, but the idea that he will be re-signed before it’s been played must surely be just a giant rumour.

    But then the Saffas, despite being currently manacled to rugby’s court jester, weren’t keen to find the key before the RWC, so maybe the ARU want to eclipse that state of insanity by re-signing Deans ahead of HIS day of reckoning.

    Meanwhile back in Melbourne, I have to agree that complying with team codes has to be part of the deal for every man on the squad. And for those who don’t or can’t – not once, but twice in succession – there has to be some kind of reckoning; whether it’s Cipriani or whoever.

  • Garry

    Maybe Cip is like a small puppy testing his bounderies with his owner Macqueen, after all, he’s only 23 y.o.

    At least that’s the way it’s playing out in the media.

    I’d say Macqueen is up to the job of pulling him by the ear, and showing him the straight’n narra.

    Toby, Kunta kinte, Toby,…

    Rod is one of the world’s best in his trade. Cips’d be silly not to bask in his pressence.

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