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Ireland take home the Lansdowne trophy

Ireland take home the Lansdowne trophy

Irish eyes are smiling after claiming their first series win in Australia for 39 years with 20-16 win in Sydney and take the series 2-1.

In front of 44,085 fans, it was a game that had everything to decide the Lansdowne trophy, with yellow cards to both sides and multiple TMO interventions spoiling a good spectacle. Both sides scored one try but it was the boot of Johnny Sexton proving the difference in the end, including a late penalty goal to seal the win.

The Match

It was a fast opening ten minutes with the Wallabies enjoying the majority of possession but found themselves behind 3-0 after a penalty from Johnny Sexton.

The Wallabies were mixing up their kicking game tactics early on and brilliant kick from Kurtley Beale earned a five-metre scrum after Rob Kearney was unable to stay in the field of play. They couldn’t get over the line but did settle for a penalty goal from Bernard Foley to level the scores.

The Irish were able to settle into their game and stretched the Wallabies defence out wide at times but it was that man David Pocock who saved the day on a couple of occasions with a series of penalties won.

He would then have to step up as Michael Hooper had to leave the field after just 15 minutes with a hamstring injury with Pete Samu coming on in his place.

The Irish copped the TMO curse in the 21st minute as winger Jacob Stockdale was given a ten-minute rest for an elbow on Nick Phipps whilst in possession and Foley had his second penalty of the game.

Even down a man, Ireland kept hammering the Wallabies line and looked likely to score next with their forwards getting over the gain line too easily but after 17 phases Devin Toner knocked on but they would settle for a second penalty goal from Sexton to make it 6-6.

From the restart there was another TMO intervention as Peter O’Mahony, who had copped a battering from Folau on restarts all game, hit the ground heavily. It was Folau who copped the yellow as his hand knocked him after the initial contest. O’Mahony would leave the game on a stretcher and take no further part in the game after suffering concussion.

Just before the break, the Wallabies had their third penalty from an offside on Conor Murray. From the restart Dane Haylett-Petty was adjudged to knock on under pressure from Rob Kearney with Samu Kerevi picking the ball up in an offside position to give Sexton an easy shot at goal for a 12-9 lead at half time.

Bernard Foley waits for another stoppage.

Bernard Foley waits for another stoppage.

Ireland started the second half very well with Johnny Sexton running the show with a brilliant kick into space that had Nick Phipps under pressure. From the resulting play, Adam Coleman was warned after clearing out a ruck as his discipline came under scrutiny of the Pascal Gauzere.

The Irish pack took control off the lineout and rolled the maul over for a well-deserved try to CJ Stander to give Ireland breathing room at 17-9.

That stung the Wallabies into action and it was their turn to run through the phases and be patient with the ball. The Irish was defence was good initially to repel the Wallabies maul and it took some vision and a brilliant grubber kick from Foley to find Koroibete on the right wing as he barged through the covering tackle of Kearney to score. Foley converted to make it a one-point game.

With the finishers coming on, both teams were going at it hard in the last quarter with Taniela Tupou making an impact of the bench with some big hits alongside Tolu Latu in particular. The Irish looked tired but the Wallabies just couldn’t land the killer blow with handling errors letting them down and a missed attempt at penalty goal from Foley keeping the Irish in front.

A late penalty against Latu allowed Johnny Sexton to step up with balls of steel to land a penalty to make it a four-point margin to make the Wallabies needing try to take a series win.

The Wallabies threw one last raid at the Irish but fittingly, the TMO had the final say on this one with a deliberation after the final siren that seemed to take an age before ruling that Stockdale had not knocked the ball down deliberately to send Ireland home 20-16 winners in an anti-climax.



The Game Changer

Towards the back end of the game, the Irish looked tired after a big series but the Wallabies couldn’t take advantage before Sexton’s late penalty.


The G&GR MOTM

CJ Stander got the official award but Johnny Sexton’s second half management was brilliant with his kick to the corner setting up Stander’s try and his late penalty goal sealing the win.


The Details

Score & Scorers

WALLABIES 16
Tries: Koroibete
Conversions: Foley
Penalties: Foley 3
IRELAND 20
Tries: Stander
Conversions:
Penalties: Sexton 5

Cards

21 mins – Stockdale (Ireland) –Yellow
30 mins – Folau (Australia) – Yellow

Crowd

44,085

Photos from Peter Mitchell

  • Andy

    a very Wallaby like performance and a game full of lost opportunities. Again it’s 1 step forward, 2 steps back for this side.

    The ref was poo but I don’t think he lost us the game. We had opportunities and simply didn’t take them. Ireland were just better in the pressure moments.

    If there are positives to find you have to say our pack is really starting to look impressive. They’re not the finished article by a long way but there is such great potential there.

  • Moose

    Cracker of a game, cracker of a series. Full credit to both teams, congratulations to Ireland on the series win. They just seemed to want it a tiny bit more than our guys.

    Well done to the Sydney punters too, a new ground attendance record.

    Both yellows were horseshit imo, at least they balanced out I guess.
    I’m now firmly on the anti-TMO bandwagon, what’s the hashtag again?

    • Pedro

      What didn’t cancel out was when Folau interfered with a jumper he got yellowed. When an Irish player did it to dhp, kerevi got penalised for being offside from a knock on.

    • Fatflanker

      Oz would surely be the only country where the visitors can achieve home ground advantage – was anyone left in Ireland?

      • onlinesideline

        Have never been to a match against the Irish, but from the idiot box they look like having such a good spirit about them. So much better than the “Chariot”

      • Bakkies

        Blame the GFC for that. The amount of young Irish that emigrated to places like Canada and Australia was tragic. Even with a massive improvement in the Irish economy. A lot of them haven’t gone back for various reasons including relationships, obtaining PR, property, etc.

        The Melbourne test should have been at Etihad would have filled it no hassle.

    • onlinesideline

      And how much better is a full house at Paddo compared to 65% full at ANZ. Even if it was at ANZ and 60 000 tickets were sold, I rather a full Paddo. Just over that place.

    • Adrian

      Good analysis Moose

  • RedsFanDan

    Riveting games, great series and the smarter team won.

    My thoughts after this series:

    1. Set piece is looking pretty good
    2. Defence is great
    3. We are the dumbest team in world rugby with a YC advantage.
    4. Pocock or Hooper really needed to be in the ref’s ear about the Irish slowing the game down. Good on them for getting away with it for three games. Let’s not let them get away with it.
    5. It has been 0 tests since our last taking the halfback penalty
    6. The Irish really played to their strengths. They’re a smart side that know what they’re doing in almost any situation. Reminds me of the Wobs circa 1999.
    7. Will never understand these kicks up the middle where we won’t even pretend to chase. Commentator’s typically say something like “Wobs want to play it in the opposition half.” Except no one is within 30m of the ball when it lands so the catcher nearly always makes it back to halfway. So no, we clearly DON’T want to play in their half.

    • Moose

      Agree on all points, esp 3 and 7

      • RedsFanDan

        That aimless kicking is still in our game from the Robbie Deans era. Drives me up the wall every time. We have a winger and a fullback who are fantastic under the high ball and the other winger will break a catcher in half given a chance. What are we doing?

      • To follow up on #7 there are times when it’s a good tactic and you see other sides do it. But they a) know it’s going to happen and b) chase the kick so there’s a good territory gain and the receiver is under some sort of pressure. In this series, every time the Wobs have done it, I don’t remember Ireland being under pressure for maybe 5 seconds, which on a pitch that even the props can run the length of in 15 s is pretty unforgivable.

        Contrast that with Ireland, NZ and France. They didn’t have perfect kicking games, no one does, but there was hardly a kick from any of them that wasn’t chased and chased hard.

        And to follow up on #3, I’d actually forgotten until I read the report that Ireland had someone sin-binned. Between smart Irish play while down a man, and stupid Aussie play while up a man, plus a migraine, I’d forgotten it altogether. How bad do you have to be that you have a 1 man advantage for 10 minutes and it doesn’t register?

        • Georgia Satellite

          …2 weeks running.

      • Parker

        I second 3. We repeatedly waste the advantage.

    • Caeliv Donnelly

      During the Ire YC , Aus took 45 seconds to take a drop out and lobbed it into Toners bread basket. V strange.

      • RedsFanDan

        I know. I just wonder who is making those decisions? Cheika? Foley? Pocock? It’s just so stupid.

  • Moose

    I can’t recall seeing Hoope ever go off injured before, thought he was made of rubber

    • Bakkies

      He got levelled by Furlong.

      • Fatflanker

        I thought Furlong was a tad reckless charging into the mauls – exemplified by that hit on David Pocock in the previous game that totally up-ended him.

  • Pedro

    Congrats to the Irish, historic series win. They were the better team today and over the series.

  • Archie

    Congrats Ireland. Well deserved.

    Again painful to see Chieka showing a lack of class.

    Still think there’s lots of positives for the Wallabies. But they’ll need to improve quickly before RC.

    Pocock is a freak…

    • Moose

      Yeah, Cheika’s post match gab wasn’t great. Doesn’t do us any favours.

      • Gingerbeer

        Didn’t see it, but happy to be ignorant on this; he can be a real embarrassment. Some bad calls but both ways. Slim margins so can be tough to take, but that’s rugby.

        • Garry

          First series loss to the Paddy’s in 29 years. Another new record for your collection Michael? And that trophy cabinet, plenty of room in there? Nothin but dust I’m guessing?
          Next time, ask a touring Nth ahem side to send their B squad for a friendly instead. Less embarrassing for all.

        • Caeliv Donnelly

          Use of the term ”Paddy’ , guy in the crowd with ‘Irish? They are all English to me’ written on his back, the fact that it was shown on TV and the Aus Comms with his ”’diddle e Dee – potatoes” snark has left a bit of a bad taste to be honest. No need for it during what was a compelling series played in a great spirit.

          Be better.

        • idiot savant

          Agree and apologies for poor behaviour. Given the history of the troubles between the English and the Irish the sheer ignorance of that bloke was staggering. And as for Kearns, to think that he was seriously considered as CEO of RA…

        • disqus_NMXfOrw5ot

          To put it in perspective, Caeliv, Oz is a culture where we are rude to our best mates, and polite to our enemies. If you can understand that, then you’ll realise that none of what you have complained about is anything you should be offended by, as I highly doubt any of it had that intention. Even the “you’re all English to me” guy was most likely just trying to be a funny bastard. I’d be curious to know if the phone number he had written underneath was his own, or his best mate’s.

          I’ve totally enjoyed your contributions to GAGR over this series, you’ve been a gentleman and a scholar, so thanks for coming, and well done to your boys and congrats on the win.

        • 22DropOut

          That excuse doesn’t wash and you know it.

        • disqus_NMXfOrw5ot

          I meant every single word I said. Dunno where you’re from mate, but I was dead set surprised that he had taken genuine offence. At first I thought he had a bit of a thin skin, but then realised there were probably some cultural differences going on.

        • 22DropOut

          I feel sorry for you if you do. Any racist comments can be excused by that and we see the exact same in the US right now. It’s pathetic

        • disqus_NMXfOrw5ot

          Jeez, calm down mate!

        • 22DropOut

          Thanks for the tip, Roseanne

        • Bobas

          22 Drop Out, you’re the only person on here deliberately trying to make others feel bad. Please shape up or fuck off.

        • 22DropOut

          Ironic

        • Bobas

          Because I hurt your feelings?

        • 22DropOut

          Look up what the word means and you should be able to figure it out mate

        • disqus_NMXfOrw5ot

          PS – for us, the term “Paddy” is a generic affectionate nickname for the Irish. It has zero derogatory intent in itself (although it can, like most words, be used in a derogatory way).

        • Missing Link

          spot on – Aussies call a stranger “mate” and call a good mate “c%$t”. it’s like poms sometimes greet their mates with “hows it going you f%^king twat”

        • onlinesideline

          Mate that “diddle dee potatoe” comment was Phil Kearns and he is a national embarassment when it comes to commentating. As a player he was good but he should have left it there. I cringed when he said that too.

        • Caeliv Donnelly

          Ah let’s not make it an issue. I was just making a general observation with that post. For every Phil’s Kearns you have , we get Neil Francis. I think you only have to look at the general Atmos within the ground to see how much respect the fans have for each other, I wouldn’t let a few twits ruin that.

        • riaan

          What makes him look even sillier ( if possible) is that Kearns is an Irish surname.

      • Richard Patterson

        This series featured Bill Belichick coaching against Rex Ryan. Rex Ryan lost. Unintelligent coaches often do.

        • juswal

          I don’t know who those men are/were but I doubt they’re relevant. Everyone who watched last night’s match knows that the game and the series were open until the Wallabies’ last attack broke down. The series was definitely decided on the playing field, on the night.

  • Tim

    Australia is the most frustrating team to follow. We could have, Should have, but didn’t win. The last play sums up our game 2 defenders unmarked all we need was a simple past and we score in the corner and win the game yet poor pass game over.

    • Patrick

      Yea how we miss those still makes we want to cry and scream at the same time.

    • 22DropOut

      Every team can make those excuses. It’s unbecoming. Ireland didn’t finish chances, didn’t pass to Earls when he had half the pitch to himself and Australia were down to 14.

      We lost to a better team. End of.

    • onlinesideline

      Yeah dont be “unbecoming” Tim for Christ sake.

    • McWarren

      That’s Bernard for you.

      But it’s okay he’ll take learnings from this and add it to his journeys resume of work-ons.

      Sorry just channeling my inner Hooper corporate bullshit lingo.

      That pass sums up everything about Foley, Beale and Folau. Presented with an opportunity to score but needed to read the play properly. They chose the training ground cut out to the wing option and fucked it.

  • Fatflanker

    A hard-to-swallow loss but, stewth, I’m sick of Cheika embarrassing us with his bad temper. Get a grip, man.

    • Archie

      Yep good call. I honestly reckon you blokes could do better than Cheika… surely there’s someone more professional out there. And It’s not like Cheika has an amazing winning record which makes his childish behaviour worth putting up with!

      What do u reckon… anyone else domestically that could step up?

      • Fatflanker

        Look, I think he’s done some good things in his time and I do believe he’s laid a strong base in some areas, in particular the scrum, that will serve us well post-2019. I’ve disagreed with some of his ongoing selections but I’ll readily concede a few of them, (Robinson, in particular), are showing their worth.

        All that said, the harsh reality is we have now been well-beaten by England, Scotland and now Ireland in successive years and each time Cheika’s limitations as a tactical thinker have been exposed, and made all-the-more obvious by his dummy-spitting in the box.

        Larkham will probably walk into the job after Cheika. You can see his influence in some clever back-line moves off set-piece ball, however I’m not convinced he is ready yet – love to see him get a gig in the NH for a few years. I’d look hard at Dave Wessels but, truth told, the domestic cupboard is fairly bare for Oz at the moment.

        • idiot savant

          The Gibson Cron partnership might bear looking at in 2020. But I hope they look abroad after Cheika. We could do with some fresh ideas. Gatland or Schmidt would be great.

        • Andy

          Cron has done some fantastic work with the Tahs pack this year. Almost certainly the smallest in the Comp but they are very effective.

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        That’s the problem mate. There isn’t. All the Aussie coaches in Super rugby are newbies and the other is a kiwi with a poor record. While I think Cheika is limited tactically which is where he’s failing, he is a good motivator and he has got the team behind him. Although there is a train of thought going “that’s because he gets rid of dissenters”
        However regardless of that there is no other option screaming to be given a go. Just reflects a lot of what is wrong here.

        • Andy

          He certainly has his floors. But he has his streangths too. I would heavily argue our forward play has improved under his guidance. He is the first Aussie coach I’ve seen to encourage the selection of a more physical pack. Something we’ve always lacked and folded like cards when we’ve come up against them.

          A good team culture and work ethic is another factor.

          Based on our playing stocks a ranking of 4th is more than fair as well. Not saying we should accept it but at some point we need to acknowledge the northern hemisphere is improving fast and will be very strong for a long time to come. Junior world cups are showing that.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          All good points. I think it’s his passion that runs away with him at times and that’s not a bad thing

  • st saens

    Game needs to have a TMO TMO…if the the TMO makes a dud call he gets yellow carded and can’t say anything for the next 10 minutes. Two yellows and he gets put in a sound proof box for the remainder of the game…and automatic citing the next week.

    • Keith Butler

      Two dud calls and he gets put in the coaches box with Cheika. His silent rankings were worth the price of Foxtel on their own.

      • Donk

        I make more pay per view money than a Mundine fight

  • Hoss

    So many emotions, so little time.

    Firstly, I have never been fucked by.a Frenchman before and I feel sullied and abused.

    To the Emerald Isle boys well played and a deserved World #2 side. The whole series has been played in a terrific spirit and credit to al involved and my thanks for injecting passion and belief back into the Oz game.

    A game of ‘ifs’. A bounce here, a call there – the eternal, knawing angst of, ‘if only’

    – if only Spanners had simply played the German move at full time “Hans’
    – if only some of his penalty kicks made more than 10 metres
    – if month the TMO was struck down with temporary paralysis that impacted his ability to talk to the Frog.
    – if only,if only, if only

    Whilst disappointed, terrifically proud of the boys, a close run thing and after three tests the sides couldn’t be separated on points differential at all. All not lost as long as learnings applied, but it did show how vulnerable we are to Spanners being ‘on’ or just off – our margins are wafer thin.

    • Patrick

      Mate I would hate to see how you would describe the treatment the French got earlier today then!

      • I assume you’re talking about the try where the ref ran a lovely blocking line?

        The problem is, ugly though it looked, that’s the right decision. The laws talk about what to do if the ref makes contact with the ball or ball-carrier (it’s basically stop the game and if it’s over the goal line, award a try there, otherwise it’s a scrum to restart).

        Otherwise it’s the duty of other players to avoid the referee and sanctions range from play on, up to red cards against the player who hit him. In that situation, where it was clearly a player running into a ref who was in the way and nothing malicious, play on is the right call, so it’s a try.

        It looks shitty and I feel really sorry for the French. Lacey, who I don’t particularly like as a ref but who isn’t usually a clumsy arse, was moving from the scrum and trying to get out of the way and caught by the speed of the AB play. He has to stand and move somewhere and he pretty much has to start by the side of the scrum. As the laws stand, he gave the right call, however bad it looked. I’m they change the laws, there’s the potential, and don’t tell me someone wouldn’t go for it, for a defender to run into the ref on every play, so I can’t see them changing it tbh.

        • Patrick

          I do know the rule but it doesn’t matter what the rule is, he literally created the gap for a try. My only point was that in the scheme of things that was about as much as a referee could help the other team!

        • Caeliv Donnelly

          Lacey is being called up by Joe Schmidt for the Autumn series citing top quality running lines.

        • Bakkies

          Lacey was a pro winger for Munster.

        • McWarren

          Sorry mate I don’t agree. There is no rule that says a ref can’t recognise his own cockup and it’s monumental effect on a game and call no try, let’s pack that scrum again. It may have been the right call by the rule book, but even Hansen looked guilty when they got away with it.

          Look now for every team to running ref decoys.

        • Nutta

          Law 6.5.a. Ref is sole judge of fact & law. For me this is the key.

          To allow that play to stand is simply wrong. For a Ref to claim the Nuremberg defence still doesn’t mean it’s not wrong. Such is the sanctuary of Lawyers and Accountants. It’s not in the spirit or the best interests of the game.

          Law 6.5.a goes all the way back to things like Dally Messenger tossing the ball in the air and the AB’s of the 1920’s with the 2man front row.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Sorry Nutta got to disagree. Just watched it now. The French 9 moved into the French when McK was already past to try and milk something. If he’d not pushed forward into the ref but gone around him he may have actually made the tackle. Apart from the law which only mentions the ball touching the referee anyway there’s nothing else.

        • David Creagh

          I actually agree, I tell my 9s to use the ref as a shepherd. There is almost always a hole in the defence there.

      • Archie

        Learn the rules FFS… It was the correct call.

        In fact the howler of the match went against the ABs. A clear try bizarrely overturned by the TMO. Saved the French from a half century score line.

        • Patrick

          Great comment.

        • juswal

          Mind your manners, kiwi troll.

      • Hoss

        Yep, if you going to do that to a team at least cut your nails and remove your watch first. Its the little things that count.

    • HK Red

      “learnings”…not having a go, but i fucking hate that word, it’s such management-bingo-speak. So many “learnings”, how about just “doings”.

      • idiot savant

        ‘Learnings’ is kiwi rugby speak. One of their gifts to the world….

    • Nutta
    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Not sure why you feel fucked by the referee mate. I thought that apart from a YC to each side that should have only been penalties he had a good game. You can’t blame him for poor decisions by the Wallabies or missed tackles, shit passes to no one and shit tactical kicking.
      Too many “if only’s” that never change. Wallabies either aren’t learning or aren’t putting their learnings into practice

      • Hoss

        I don’t lay the blame solely at his feet mate, that would b lazy, simplistic and jingoistic. BUT, he certainly was a contributing factor, a significant contributing factor.

        Look, Ireland were the better over three tests, methodical, well drilled, disciplined a deserved winners – no argument there and I don’t believe the big Irish winger got a touch on that last pass – Spanners can screw his own pooch thank you very much – without any help. Its just the consistency across the three games from the officials, often within the same game that leaves me flummoxed.

        The yellow card – both teams are a bit stiff – do they cancel each other out – probably, maybe, I don’t know. But monsieur Gauzere application / willingness to consistently enforce breakdown laws was, well, ‘Merde’.

        The penalty against Latu with 7 to go was mind blowing (And TV ruining, I nearly smashed the screen), let alone the 3-4 other turnovers Latu had legitimately won that weren’t ruled on. I get a ref doesn’t want to have the final decisive say on a result, but in taking no action, that’s exactly what they end up doing anyhow.

        As a losing fan anything I say can be easily criticised as whinging, I can cop that. But for the sake of the game lets see some accountability and actions that are conducted in the sterile light of day and are transparent regarding the penguins with the whistles. ‘Interpretations’ in our game are killing it as a spectacle and a contest (you say tomatoe I say tomarto). Whilst I fell sullied and dirty this morning, at least I wasn’t fisted like the French……………………..again.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          I do get the frustrations at the breakdown. TBH I think the issue is that things happen so fast its hard to keep on top of them. I actually don’t believe that anyone is ever supporting their own weight when going for the pilfer. If you look at how far they have to reach forward I don’t think physics allows them to be. The change of the law with only one from either side meaning a tuck has formed means it’s so much harder now and if timing is slightly off then you’re out of the game now. Not sure the refferees can actually process the picture and are favouring more the side with possession.

        • onlinesideline

          There was def inconsistently and aside from that I’ll put my 2c worth in. He had no flow, was unable to keep the 2nd half going at a pace that a game like this deserved, his delivery / comm with players was hesistant. These frog refs have always sucked for the same reasons. Nigel Owens reffed game would have been totally diff spectacle.

        • Parker

          Not to mention that Sexton is an absolute master at throwing “invisible” forward passes. Perhaps he learnt that from the All Blacks

        • Grant

          Mate Chieka has become a joke to world rugby, ranting and raving and always blaming everyone else, and Aussie fans are becoming likewise. Got to learn to score more points so single incidents don’t determine the outcome, or suck it up.

  • ForceFan
    • Moose

      Enough with your ‘facts’ ForceFan. Whose side are you on? #FakeNews
      :)

      • disqus_NMXfOrw5ot

        Lol, clearly photoshopped ;)

    • Fatflanker

      Yes, but TBF, look to the lifter’s hand on the shorts providing the pivot. This wasn’t the first time in the series that Ireland were reckless with their lifting, e.g. Pocock nearly poleaxed with a player thrown on top of him in the line-out, last game. Throwing a player in the air, rather than just lifting him, is potentially very dangerous play.

  • skip

    Since 2015 we have seen:
    -Home Series whitewash by England
    -Record defeat by England and no wins against them since 2015
    -Record defeat by Scotland
    -Successive losses to Scotland
    -Home series loss to Ireland (who were much better and deserved it)
    -No trophies worth mentioning.
    During this time we’ve seen endless dumb rugby from a coach who spends his time in the box looking forlorn and clueless as his side continues to deliver the same clueless play that has led to the above set of depressing results.

    This side is currently a quarter final team and if we’re honest (the rankings don’t lie) we can’t claim to be the rugby superpower that scares teams. Other sides know how to beat us and we play right into their hands almost every time.

    Whatever the details, to continue unchanged is to say above is good enough. It’s not.

    • Seaweed

      Yep, playing dumb is now our style. Welcome to Australia, where being dumb is a national pastime. The rugby team just reflect the general malaise. I will now go and take my medication. Maybe things will look better after that. I may emigrate to Ireland.

      • Garry

        Question is, what can be done? Over to you Ralene.

        She’s a Kiwi, surely she won’t put up with this marlarky.

        • skip

          For me it’s the philosophy of the team. We seem to have this approach that being mean up front and fast out wide is enough. We need to pick players (tight 5 especially) that don’t give away dumb penalties and recognize that a team of champion players isn’t as good as a champion team. Take NZ vs Scotland last year. They pick the unflashy Matt Todd to slow their ball over the flashy Ardie Savea. We’d never make the that call as we never look at the position’s core skill needs when we pick someone, it’s about how they attack. And we can let DHP punt for touch until Foley learns how as a way to end one simple dumb thing we do. If we get a coaching set up that gets that, we’ll be moving. At the moment we have a predictable attack and a leaky defense. I’d look at coaches in this area. Our current 2 come from super teams with noted weaknesses in each.

  • onlinesideline

    Irish – classy well coached team of tough as nail blokes with no whingers, no show ponies and best supporters in world rugby.

    As for Wallabies – for another day.

    • idiot savant

      Yes OS it was the smarts that did it. Thats where we need to improve for the RWC.

      • onlinesideline

        Mate to be honest, I think we have seen Cheikas best input. Things wont change alot until there is a new coach. We wil always get a win here and there but as far as moulding this team in to a smart well balanced Rod Macqueen esque type team …. no chance. I like what Cheika has done in parts but we are short on a couple of major fronts.

        • Seaweed

          That’s the truth. He’s got no more to give. Out coached again.

        • idiot savant

          I don’t know. There are small signs of improvement. He is now picking on form regardless of where players come from. He has allowed kicking back in to the repertoire. I get the impression he is allowing Larkham more rope to run the attack. Grey’s Daedalean defensive patterns seem to be have been dispensed with. All of these shifts are producing better results.

          I think his biggest problem is that he has not developed on field leaders with real rugby smarts. Unfortunately Foley, who is occasionally brilliant, just hasn’t developed into a General. Beale is trying to run things from 12 which is a bit odd and he can be brilliant and flaky. And Hoops may forever be the kind of Angus Young of the rugby field. Great player but unable to get out of short pants.

          I think the biggest obstacle to winning the RWC is leadership and on field rugby smarts. I think we are developing a helluva forward pack, and we have world class attacking backs. We just need some brains to drive the outfit.

        • onlinesideline

          lol Angus

        • Bay35Pablo

          Picking them regardless? Hardly.

          Foley is a huge problem. He is solid but never spectacular. Plays to the plan even when it no longer makes sense. Some of his kicking on Saturday night beggared belief Too many WTF moments.
          Phipps likewise not up to it. Doesn’t run enough, Crabs like GRegan at his worst. Harbour Bridge passes. We picked up SO much when Powell came on it was bloody obvious. Except to CHeik.
          We continue to pick Hooper despite the fact it unbalances our entire back line, and lineout for that matter as we need a 3rd jumping option that we lose unless we have a proper 6. Hooper is immense in defence and huge motor, but he gets picked then slotted in where Cheik can. He’s basically a 3rd centre. When’s the last time Hoops ripped apart rucks like Pocock has in the last few tests. God we’ve missed Pocock at 7. It’s like watching the Pink Panther empty the safes of Monaco. He just takes what he wants. Hooper just doesn’t do that, or consistently.
          Having said that, Rodda, Tui, Samu, Kerevi, Tupou all looked good. Wit up. All Reds except Samu. This could get painful in the next few years for my TAhs ….

        • idiot savant

          I still can’t think of a player who is in form, not injured, and ready for test football that has been left out of the squad. Phillip possibly but he is just unlucky to be behind a long line of locks at the moment.

  • HK Red

    Australia nearly won a series against #2 in the world with an unbalanced backrow, a limited 10 and an unbalanced backline……what could be?? We’ll never know.
    Ireland played solid structured rugby, they were smart and they took the chances when offered.
    Well done Ireland, total respect to your achievement and applause to the Aussie boys that ran on the park. You gave what you could and what you’d been directed to do. Despite what some may say, Australia has the cattle to be so very much better, but strange selection decisions and limitations of management have led us to where we are. I don’t mind losing with our best 23 used to the best of their abilities, but I hate wasting talent and opportunities. This sadly seems to be a long running theme, with no end.
    Anyway stop being sad, a great series, well done Ireland, well deserved!

    • onlinesideline

      If what you’re trying to say is, “why the fuke dont we have QC at least on the bench, so if needed in the last 15 mintes to crack open a game like this, where the average player on both sides is 100 kilos plus, we could sub on the best play maker we have ever had wear a green and gold jersey” then I agree.

      Aside from Kurtley we have zilch enterprise. And people are suprised we have lost basically everything since 2014 when QC was affectively benched then dropped. Having a James Oconnor or QC on the bench was exactly what we was needed and what we dont have.

      Things will stay the same until the Cheika – Foley axis is no more.

      When you look at each skillset in a QC v Foley cockoff its QC hands down. From stepping, to putting ppl through a hole on first phase plays, to kicks for touch, kicks in open play, grubbers, cut out passes opening up the backline.

      Since benching Quade both the reds and the Wallabies have made “losing with pride” the new acceptable standard. I see it as a generation of coaches with no balls or no brains or both.

      • HK Red

        OLSL, uhmmm what you said…:-)

        • HK Red

          Too many pointless kick-passes to a covered field, or two many loopy cut-outs behind the man allowing the defence to slide across in cover. It’s funny, we tried the kick pass and there were 2-3 ireland defenders waiting. Ireland did it properly, to a man in open field with no-one near him. We need to shelve the training-ground speculators. Be smarter. But that inherently is and has been the problem with the Wallabies for many a year. We’re not as smart on the field, as we think we deserve to be, based on history.

        • onlinesideline

          Or Larkham is trying to turn Foley into a Cooper minus the risk. The guy just hasnt got it. These kinds of plays should be instinct and done when the opportunity arises and not because everyone gets in a huddle and says, as you say, lets do training-ground play 33.

          If not Quade, then someone else, but we are missing so many important parts to our offense. And Genia’s injury. Man he was a loss.

        • HK Red

          ha totally. BF has always looked very telegraphed in those sorts of plays. Every now and then though he puts in a very good performance ….looking at the kick for touch in the first half of the first test….absolutely drilled it…..Where the fck has that been???? Pop-gun boot comes out and smashes one! Did the same for one clearance in the 2nd test. I don’t for a second think that QC is the golden child and the answer, but if you don’t give him the chance (which starting him at 10 with Foley at 12 is not) or at least try and develop someone else, then what’s the point? If Foley snaps an ankle in the 2nd game in Japan, what the hell do we do then? Who is our backup, that has never been given a run at test level.?
          On Genia, I was happy and a little scared at first to see the golden-locked chid come on. He played well though. A little skip in his passing, but once released it was fast and accurate (god we miss that with phipps) and he took a couple of little runs off the ruck. He didn’t look overwhelmed, which is encouraging.

        • onlinesideline

          Yeah he did look crisp and more assured than we are used too. Every time Phipps handles the ball I have a minor coronary.

        • Brumby Runner

          I am a Joe Powell fan, if anybody has noticed. But there were lapses in his passing game last night that were very Phipps-esque. Out of character but probably not surprising given his first game since SR went into recess, and the many missed opportunities at Wallaby level to ease him into the side in the past.

          Nevertheless, he still offered more to the team than Phipps did in the first 70 minutes with his willingness to take the line on himself a couple of times.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          I’ve noticed mate

        • idiot savant

          I thought he was ok but he needs to pass more off the deck. He reminds me of Genia before he went to France. He takes a balancing step before he passes.

        • David Creagh

          I have said this before; there is no plan B for a 5/8 if Foley goes down. He is serviceable at best and we have better 5/8s around going overseas for lack of opportunity. We will be suffering the consequences of the Cheika reign for years to come.

        • idiot savant

          Cheika has repeatedly said Beale and Hodge are the back up flyhalves. Im pretty sure they both get a run at 10 in training.

        • David Creagh

          Yep, training does not equal test footy. Beale has been tried at 10 in Super Rugby – failed, tried at 10 in test rugby – failed. Hodge isn’t even the first choice 10 for the Rebels and I have not seen enough of him there to say that he can read the game fast enough and well enough to perform there under test match pressure. We lose Foley we are so f!@#ed (not that I am Foley fan but he is actually the best we have, sadly). Foley is still the same player we saw on debut, he has not developed even under the guidance of one of the best 5/8s in Wallaby history.

        • Dally M

          Wasn’t it Beale at 10 steering the Waratah’s to the Super Rugby title in 2008 v the Crusaders until he went off with an injured ankle?

        • idiot savant

          I was merely saying there is a plan B and C. Im not saying the plans will work…

        • Parker

          Remember the embarrassment of riches we had with QC, Toomua, CLL and Foley. With the exception of CLL’s unfortunate illness, how well was that managed!

        • HK Red

          Again on Genia, ……without at least him there, we looked bereft of direction in the backline, no-one senior stepping up and running the show. You’d think a 58 test veteran should be taking that role, but I’ve never seen him shouting at, directing, commanding those around him to be in specific positions. BF lacks vision and an ability to read the game, but can absolutely run a play-book move. Is that the team we want to be?

        • onlinesideline

          Agree, and do we have any youngins from 9, 10, 12, 13 really barking at the ankles of the present lot. Where are our next KBs.

          Endless unoriginal ranting on my part. Apologies all.

        • Parker

          That Foley obedience is what control freak coaches love.

      • 22DropOut

        Quade is playing amateur rugby in brisbane and was injured anyway.

        • onlinesideline

          I know – but in the scenario where he was at least respected at the Reds, to at least be on the bench and / or participating as a senior there, things could have been different….should be IMO ….. but anyway blah blah.

      • Brumby Runner

        The best No 10 performance I saw from an Aussie on the weekend was by Andrew Deegan for the Force. He actually tries some things that look to be outside the game plan and one very creative kick inside while facing the sideline should have resulted in a try except for the lack of game intelligence by Rod Davies, trying to pick the ball up when he only had to nudge it a couple of metres over the tryline to score.

        Deegan’s defense was also very strong. What are the chances of a Wallaby call up from the Western Force? Nil, I’d say.

        • IIPA

          Deegan is very good and has played well in all Force games

      • Parker

        I would amend losing with pride to “losing on principle”. The plight of Cooper and O’Connor, two immense talents who have given their all for Oz on the field, is an indictment on the managerial deficiencies in Oz rugby. Fancy having all that talent available and not being able to harness it, then resorting to self righteousness to deflect attention from that failure.

    • 22DropOut

      We did lose with our best players and we played well. We lost to a better team as was predicted at the start of the tour. We did well to be so close.

      • st saens

        Could be argued that some of our best players have gone overseas, knowing they had no chance of being chosen for Cheika’s Wallabies.

        • 22DropOut

          Who left for Europe knowing they had no chance of being chosen for the Wallabies? Are we going to continue the myth that Fardy had no chance?

          They leave Australia because the game is dead here

        • st saens

          Players I had in mind were actually Matt Toomua (what a difference he could have made this series), Nick White, and Liam F Gill. Also Shaun McMahon (Japan). But now you mention Fardy, I would certainly have him ahead of Ned.

        • Andy

          How does McMahon fit into that category? Seriously… clutching at straws their mate

  • Brisneyland Local

    Well good morning GAGR’s! I watched the game late last night after returning from Mrs BL’s birthday dinner. Let me tell you, an evening ruined. After a beautiful dinner, with beautiful wine and a beautiful bride, I had to watch that dross. About now I would launch on a typical BL rant, but alas I am going to try and be balanced (well as balanced as this tall fat man gets!). Here we go:
    – Congrats to the Irish they got the win they deserved. They played so much smarter than the Wallabies.
    – The Wallabies again frustrated their fans with their usual diamonds and stone displays.
    – Pocock is definitely a demi-god, wow that man has a motor and a half.
    – Our lack of Genia really hurt. Phipps was average at best. Although Powell looks like he is wearing mascara (circa Ma’a Nonu) but personally think he played better than Phipps. He and Gordon are worth investing in to the be Genia’s back up for the world cup.
    – Our game management and decision making is just crap. That was clearly evidenced last night. Ireland didn’t just physically outplay us, they did it mentally too. Clearly evident when there was no overall net gain whilst they had a player in the bin. Just dumb rugby on our behalf. You cant score if you don’t have possession.
    – Our kicking game is just fucking shite. Everyone has heard me say this before. Yet it isn’t getting better. Do not let Foley kick. This continuation of a failed plan, just demonstrates an ignorance of the facts, and a pure reluctance to want to improve.
    – The yellow cards, were both penalties in my book. Folau, did drag him down so the referump had to yellow him. But it was the single man lift that caused him to fall. If a team mate had let me fall like that I would have punched him in the face. The elbow against Phipps was a fend (personally I believe anyone that elbows Piss Boy Phipps deserves a medal).
    – The ‘alleged’ deliberate knock down at the end of the match was nothing. No clear evidence. If it had happened the other way round we would have all been protesting our asses off.
    – Cheika has continued to demonstrate all of his bad traits (Surprise surprise)! His selections and continual use of game plans that don’t work show we will not be competitive at the Bill. That and his atrocious whinging carry on at every decision is just an embarrassment.
    – With proper selections and a decent game plan executed with ruthless efficiency and ‘rugby smarts’ we are a reasonable prospect. With Cheika the ass clown we are screwed.
    Over to you GAGR’s!

    • Fatflanker

      Did Phipps run the ball even once? I thought his service was somewhat better in this game but still a bit blunderbuss and momentum-sucking. On-and-off-field indiscretions notwithstanding, he’s been a good servant to Australian rugby over 70+ tests but it is past time for new blood.

      • Brisneyland Local

        He attempted to once, but got poleaxed! I have never questioned his service to Aus rugby, just his ability at test level. You are right, time for new blood and Powell and Gordon, and in time Sorovi. Wish we had that kind of potential depth at 10.

        • Brumby Runner

          BLL if you get a chance have a look at Andrew Deegan for the Force. He has all the skills of Foley and more. He can read a game and has some creative inclinations. His defense is also very good. I just fear that RA and Cheika are not about to pull anyone from the Force into the Wallabies’ squad.

        • Brisneyland Local

          They are not going to pull anyone that isnt in their plan.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Will do.

        • idiot savant

          Deegan, along with Mason, Adams, and Stewart showed the future of some of our 10s in the NRC last year. They are all very inexperienced though and need a couple of seasons of Super Rugby standard before they are regular test players. We should be sending all these blokes to the northern hemisphere for short stints in the off season.

          I have kept my eye on Deegan this year. He is small, but then so is Foley. He is not in Foley’s class as a runner. He certainly can tackle and uses his good balance to kick pretty accurately in general play. The best thing about him is that he appears to have some smarts.

      • David Creagh

        I thought that the tempo went up considerably when Powell came on. Fast to the breakdown, quick decision making and crisp service. Phipps has had his day, started well but plateaued.

        • Greg

          he was also counter-rucked and lost the ball once as he arrived slowly.

        • David Creagh

          Is that his fault or the fault of the latch that was supposed to secure the ball?

        • Brumby Runner

          So, how was Phipps standing at the back of a ruck watching the Irish lean over to pick up the ball? I don’t think I’ve ever seen Phipps actually commit to and take part in a ruck to secure loose ball.

        • Dally M

          Didn’t Phipps get credited with a pilfer?

        • Adrian

          Yes, Powell ok, but I actually thought he was late to a few breakdowns, and less effective in defence.
          I rated them both 7/10

        • Seaweed

          I’d also add generally good decision making.

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        I still think that for the first 40 mins or so while his accuracy is not rubbish his speed gives Foley more space. I just wish he’d get more accurate and more consistent

    • Richard Patterson

      Interesting points as always BL. Michael Cheika on the international test arena was once again out-coached. Players get criticised for not making “the jump” – coaches are no different. After the 1st test, Joe Schmidt / Ireland adjusted and worked out how to beat Cheika’s Wallabies team. Michael Cheika / the Wallabies did not adjust and were unable to beat Ireland for a 2nd & 3rd time. In his last 5 test matches against good non-NZ opposition Cheika has won once. In his last 21 test matches against NZ, SA, England, Scotland & Ireland he has won 4 matches, lost 15 and drawn 2. Good sides know how to consistently beat Michael Cheika. Michael Cheika does not know how to consistently beat good sides. Coaching at international level is a smart man’s game.

      • Brisneyland Local

        To quote Forrest gump.
        “I am not a smart man Jeeny, but I know what rugby is!”

      • idiot savant

        Im not sure that Schmidt did readjust after game having worked out how to beat Australia. I thought game one was a slight departure from the Ireland style of the last 12 months. It was partly an experiment (driven in part by managing exhausted players) in expansiveness with a 10 who plays wider, but mostly still holding onto a lot of the forward based game just with tired and possibly jet lagged players. In the subsequent games, Schmidt doubled down on the Irish style that had got them to No. 2 in the world. He just got them to play it with greater intensity. He didnt change anything. They just went back to their old ways. There was nothing in any of the games, so it was hardly a big re-adjustment that won the day for Schmidt. If anything the first game was a sucker play – making the Aussies think their game plan could beat the possession and territory game of the Irish. And they very nearly did.

        • Richard Patterson

          Excellent thoughts – thank you. I agree with your analysis. I think the big adjustment Schmidt / Ireland made in Melbourne was more about nullifying the effectiveness of Pocock, Folau and Beale and making the Wallabies beat them without those 3 key influential players. Arguably that is where the Genia injury was so damaging for the Wallabies. 4 key players with no / reduced effectiveness was impactful.

        • idiot savant

          The tactical battle was intriguing. Cheika won the first test with a kicking game that surprised the Irish. Id call that a points victory to Cheika.

          And you are right Schmidt then devised tactics to combat some Aussie strengths. The Folau blocking was clever, the latching reduced Pocock’s effectiveness (and they were looking for him), and the line speed made Beale less effective.

          And youre right about Genia. He is probably the smartest Aussie back. If he gets injured in the RWC I’m not sure he can be covered.

        • Richard Patterson

          Very true!! Sides know you run at Pocock to make him execute the tackle. If you’re clean out’s are accurate, Pocock off his feet is out of the game and out of the breakdown contest. It puts pressure on the remaining loose forwards to be effective in his absence. I sense sides know that the Wallabies depth there is not a significant threat.

          I fear you are correct about Genia. Cheika is in a tough spot at both 9 & 10. Right now there is insufficient depth to cover the loss of Genia and Foley. At some point he has to properly trial back-up plans though. Real heat of the moment situations that give guys experience — before the white hot pressure of RWC matches when there is no 2nd chance.

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Mate I agree.
      Loved being at the game, the atmosphere was just awesome. Best thing about being there was not having to listen to Kearns (watched it again this morning and what a complete cock).
      Single biggest issue for me was the tactical kicking by Foley. Twice he kicked for the corner and was so far away he killed any chance of a rolling maul. Had a couple of Irish next to me and they were laughing at him.
      Missed tackles, or non dominant tackles, were next issue followed by no ability by the Wallabies to make line breaks. Not sure what the 2nd playmaker role is but I didn’t see KB do anything at 12 but crab, dance a bit and then either get smashed or pass to someone else who got smashed. And yet a couple of times in space he looked good. Get him to 15 and Folau to 14 ffs.
      I agree with so many here that Cheika hasn’t got the tactical smarts to take the Wallabies to the next level. Motivates his team well but fails in selections and tactics.

      • Human

        I concur. Both Folly and Beale go sideways first (witness the knock on from the Powell pass late in the game – had he straightened he may have caught it}. Neither seem to know how to create space for the outside men other than trying to outflank someone first. Folly is a solid flyhalf (if not a rugby player he could be a good solid suburban accountant) – so he is passable at provincial level and below but pretty ordinary at Test level…he does his best though. The slow service from Phipps (& I thought that Powell was pretty slow too) just compounds the issue. The stab kick was on in that last play (as was quick hands) maybe that is why the 3 outside were so flat, Folly needed to straighten up a bit. Tupou or Latu might be a useful 12 if Hooper does not want to do it. Apologies for the ramble.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Apologies not needed mate. The disappointment of the loss allows as much rambling as it takes

        • idiot savant

          While I am not as critical of Foley as others. I did think the difference between Sexton and Foley when passing to their outside men was stark. Sexton got smashed a number of times because he ran straight at his opponent and passed the split second before getting hammered. He kept the space for his outside men to his own at his own cost. Foley almost never does that.

      • Brisneyland Local

        Good points mate. Cheika doesnt get it. The fact he lets Foley keep kicking just shows me he doesnt understand.

        • Brumby Runner

          We all know that Beale and DHP, Hodge when he’s on the ground, and now Kerevi are better tactical and ground gaining kickers than Foley. Why is it not clear to Cheika and his cohorts? The simplest thing Cheika could do to restore some faith in his understanding of the game would be to replace Foley as kicker. In that respect at least, 99% of posters here would make a better coach than Michael Cheika.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Yep. And I wouldnt throw tanties in the coaching box. I would go into the rooms to do that off camera!

      • Keith Butler

        I felt the same being at the game last weekend. Don’t know what is worse, Ch 10 with ads between stoppages in play or Kearns on FoxSport. In the end Fox’s picture was better so I watched the game with the mute button on – much better. Cheika’s histronics in the coaches box were a sight to behold and he was as usual gracious in defeat.

      • Parker

        A complete cock is useful, whereas Kearns is not.

  • Nutta

    Congratulations Ireland. Well played. Well won.

  • McWarren

    Hi all.

    Room needed in the West of Brisbane.

    Clean but grumpy at the end of his middle age man requires new digs.

    Works odd hours so won’t be seen.

    Hopes to have access to Children three times a year (Bledisloe cup) and once every 20 years (Reds in finals).

    Can’t afford much rent cause the Irish kids have taken me to the cleaners.

    Can cook, handy with a mower.

    Please call the number on the back of that eejit calling the Irish English.

  • 22DropOut

    Phil Kearns should never be allowed to comment on a game. Aside from his moronic commentary, his offensive commentary (while excused here as “jokes”) doesn’t fly and if he applied the same to other nationalities or ethnic groups he would be hung out to dry.

    • Bobas

      ‘while excused on here as “jokes”‘?

      I think you infer what you want to.

    • Custard Taht

      Oh no…..please tell me he didn’t cause offence! At least we can take solace in the fact he was only offensive and not guilty of the worst attrocity, being deeply offensive.

  • Grant

    Despite the loss Rugby Union was the winner. Great crowd, awesome atmosphere and brilliant game. Right from the start I was concerned when the Wallabies attacked but had nothing, went backwards and ended up kicking the ball away. We had 20 minutes later in the game where we dominated but still snuggled to get over the line more than once. I think Chieka has had a good go but time to look for someone who can inject some attacking flair into the team. His ref blaming is becoming embarrassing. Poccock and Folau were amazing. I can’t help but wonder how many tries Izzy would have under his belt if he was in the All Blacks and regularly put into space.

    • Fatflanker

      Summed it up well.

  • juswal

    Another match lost to poor territorial management. Ireland’s raid at the start of the second half for Stander’s try looked easy. By contrast, the Wallabies had to grind and slog away for every metre.

    This will keep happening to us unless we get a good kicker or two. At one point in the second half we won a penalty inside Ireland’s half and a Fox commentator endorsed Pocock’s decision to ‘go for the corner’. The corner? Foley’s touch-finder didn’t reach the 22.

    I’m not joining the queue to give the Irish a goodbye blowie. They just won a three-Test series — good. They scored three tries along the way — dud.

    With no backline capability to score tries, they are not looking like world-beaters. They have good kickers at 9 and 10 who win field position, and disciplined, industrious forwards who hold possession and win penalties. They’re sensible rather than smart.

    Series totals:
    Australia 6 tries, Ireland 3
    Ireland 12 penalty goals, Australia 5

    • 22DropOut

      Ffs clutching at straws there mate looking for the moral victory. Have we fallen so low we’re looking for dud moral victories!?

      • juswal

        I didn’t claim a “moral victory”. You made that up.

        Someone dubbed you 22Dropkick a while ago. It suits you.

        • Archie

          Tut tut tut… remember your manners

        • 22DropOut

          Do you even understand what you are writing?

        • Greg

          ok – please feel free to explain your concern and point of view.

          Comments that started as yours did made me think you were channeling Mr Cheika!

        • juswal

          Yes. You don’t. Go away.

        • 22DropOut

          Perhaps you should re-read your original post, then you’re bizarre rant about my response to your moral victory silliness about dud victories etc.
          or just play to the galleries throwing out insults

        • juswal

          All right, 22DropYerDacks. I’ll go over it again for you.

          I observed the relative strengths of the two teams and noted (a) how the Wallabies were easily out-pointed due to chronic weaknesses and (b) that I didn’t think Ireland were very good either.

          To you, that’s “clutching at straws” and a “moral victory”. I can’t begin to guess how you reasoned that.

          Maybe you jump to conclusions. Maybe you have a reading comprehension problem. Maybe you were 22DroppedOnYourHeadAsABaby.

        • 22DropOut

          So many insults and so little substance.

        • Custard Taht

          That is offensive, 22dropout as rice paper thin skin.

    • Fatflanker

      I think we need to be careful comparing tries – over the series Ireland got the ball over the line a few times for no pay-dirt. Oz back-line is lethal off set-piece ball (and in good, dry conditions) but struggled to get across the advantage line last night. Both sides will be chewed up and spat out by the ABs this year.

      • juswal

        The try count is very low. Miserable compared with the other two series.

    • Brumby Runner

      Hodge could have eaten the distance to the posts for that penalty, but where was he? On the bench late into the game. Probably very poor bench management imo.

      • Brisneyland Local

        Poor game management all round.

  • Greg

    Congrats to the Irish. They played well. That was a great series. Either side could have taken it and they displayed the plans and composure to take the trophy. Well done.

    The Good
    1. David Pocock as captain. He set an example with his play. He communicated well with the ref. Even after a lost a debate they parted smiling at each other.
    2. The scrum! There is talent and depth coming through
    3. Koroibete’s try. He just kept on going.
    4. Foley’s goal kicking
    5. Folau was back into the game much more.
    6. David Pocock as captain.
    7. David Pocock as captain…..

    The less good
    1. slipping off tackles… please we just can’t do this.
    2. Seeing Hooper go off. He has an engine and he has passion. He cannot do the things that Pocock can with the ref and game decisions. Can he develop those skills?
    3. We passed poorly ( mainly 9 and 10?) with players having to jump or stop to catch teh ball (mind you if the last throw forward against us was correct…. there were 20 others that were let go)

    The ugly
    1. Foley’s line kicks. We could have done so much better.
    2. tactical kicking – beale as well I think – that put the ball straight don the back threes throats.
    3. Mr Cheika – your performance in the box is appalling. Don’t you understand that that affects your decision making (and also makes you look pretty childish).

    • Brisneyland Local

      Here here!

    • David Creagh

      I thought Cheik was going to kick his waving cat. Hope the dog was hiding when he got home.

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Summed up nicely mate

    • Parker

      I’d add to your good list — 8. The spirit and determination the Wallabies showed in the last 15 minutes.

      Remember when a frequent criticism on this site was the lack of pride in the jersey many players showed and a commitment deficit in finishing games. Thank goodness that’s changed.

      • Grant

        Agreed, plenty of spirit

  • Nutta

    I want to ask for opinions on the Folau yellow card.

    Scenario: So we have Blue doing everything we are taught to do – coming forward, with momentum and contesting. Against that we have Red – flat footed, no momentum, lifted with assistance but be only 1 lifter thus suspect to pivoting.

    In the contact Blue has momentum thus is stronger and comes down fine with no assistance. But Red who has no momentum pivots on his lifter and then his lifter drops him.

    I simply don’t understand how Blue is responsible for Red pivoting then dropping his man?

    Either Red is effectively rewarded for poor lifting technique or Red is rewarded for being at the mark first and Blue is being punished for daring to enter a body contact scenario with momentum.

    • Brisneyland Local

      Nutta, I concour. But it is the rules here that are the issue not the decision. As much as I thought the correct decision was a penalty, the referump had to call it a yellow, when Folau pulled at his body on the way down.

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Nutta I thought at worse it was a penalty, personally I would have ruled a fair contest and bad luck. In saying that I would have given only a penalty for the hit on Phipps too, so maybe I’m just a soft referee.

      • Brisneyland Local

        I agree. the hit on Phipps was a fend and unintentional. I would have just called a penalty.

      • David Creagh

        I’d be good with that. I thought the Phipps one occurred as Stockdale was extending his arm to fend so just one of those timing things, Phipps must have been watching the soccer and tried simulating, didn’t seem that bad. As BLL points out Folau wrapped an arm around him as he came down, if he doesn’t do this – fair contest. Both soft cards.

    • Bakkies

      Like the lineout when a player is lifted you can’t make contact with him. You go for the ball only. Minimal contact is always penalised at the lineout kick off is no different.

      Folau did it three separate times to O’Mahony

      • Human

        Yes, I thought he could have been pinged at other times…though the law is somewhat of an ass. It makes the short kickoff a dangerous option. What is your view on the kick to DHP at the end of the first half – was it that there was no lifting or did he not jump high enough; or not land on his head? There was green contact.

        • Nutta

          See here is my core issue: taking the logic of this idea forward, all the rights are going to the player who gets to the point of ball-landing first. That’s crap. It’s engineering out the competition for the ball.

        • Human

          I agree. I’d be happy (I think) if there was no lifting allowed at kick-off reception – make it a true man-on-man contest…or if Folly could perhaps put the ball somewhere other than straight onto the receiver.

        • Bakkies

          Folau has been cited for a similar incident at the 9th minute.

        • Minz

          During which, the camera shows, Folau had both his hands in the air extending towards the ball, with the opposition player rotating on his lifter before contact. Very hard to see how that’s anything other than error by the opposition jumper/lifter, after which they persisted with dangerous/poorly executed lifting tactics, which then resulted in injury.

          Presumably that means that Folau will get a month suspension, given the standard world rugby logic.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Saw that tonight. That’s going to be an interesting ruling.

        • Greg

          So what’s the answer @KRL? Ban jumping?

        • Greg

          Just watched it again – honestly the 6 is the problem.

          If you lift you have to support. If he did that to an opposition player he would get a red card.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          No not at all. Responsibility lies with both competing players to go for the ball and leave the other player alone. If a player comes down badly in a fair challenge then its just bad luck. The trouble is it is subjective, but then so much of what a referee does is subjective anyway I don’t see anyone issues with one more

        • John Tynan

          I reckon it’s banning lifting outside the lineout. But I’m not sure if it’s a good or bad thing…

        • Hoss

          Hard to disagree with you. In an era of player safety and welfare (rightly so) its the actual ‘lifting’ of players in general play that’s a the most significant factor. Limit it to line-outs only and make contestable kicks a true contest of skill & precision. The slightest bump on a lifted player will always end poorly.

    • McWarren

      I disagree in the current environment. When Folau misses the ball he grabs PO’s midriff and excaserbates the pivot. Clear yellow for me.

    • Richard Patterson

      As players get increasingly more athletic and more practised in this art, I believe there has to be greater responsibility for each player involved in these aerial contests to ensure the safety of the competing player going for the ball. Overlooked in all this discussion is that on 2 separate weeks, 2 of the world’s finest players Beauden Barrett and Peter O’Malley have been lost to the test match for injuries (and concussions) suffered in competing for a ball in the air. On each occasion neither Barrett or O’Malley was at fault yet each was exposed to potentially dangerous injuries. That has to change. The same rules that apply in a lineout must apply when competing for a ball in the air. A player has a responsibility to himself, and the well-being of any opposition player when competing for a ball in the air. I believe it will improve technique and improve accuracy in aerial contests.

      • juswal

        Blokes jump seven feet in the air, either running at top speed or lifted by a careless teammate, with opponents converging at speed, and you absolve them of any responsibility for their crash-landings?

        Jumping into a contest is reckless; lifting a jumper into a contest is stupid. Expect injuries.

        • Richard Patterson

          Not certain what Barrett and O’Malley did wrong in either incident. Both though suffered head injuries. Both were ruled out of the remainder of the match. Barrett was denied the opportunity to play test rugby this weekend. Not sure any of that is deserved.

        • Parker

          Those are the breaks. It’s a contact sport.

        • Richard Patterson

          100% it’s a contact sport. Kind of like when a guy mistakenly gets caught in a tackle and suffers an injured cheek bone.

  • Human

    Let’s face it, Ireland would have felt robbed had they lost. Well played to them.

    • Parker

      Ireland’s no stranger to being robbed, something that idiot with writing on his back wouldn’t know.

  • Bakkies

    We need to talk about Coleman. He is a liability. Can’t finish tours, concedes points, twice off injured in key moments and plays an outdated role that doesn’t work anymore. How is he going to last a six week RWC?

    Rodda has none of that nonsense in his game and gets the job done.

    • Brumby Runner

      Rodda is fast becoming the No 1 lock imo.

    • Adrian

      Agree Bakkies.
      I think though, with Rodda, Coleman, Arnold, Tui and even Phillip we have depth. Simmons is the safety first back-up in my opinion.
      I just wish Arnold would learn something more about lineouts than just jumping himself. He’s said that he doesn’t want to be an academic like Coleman and Simmons!….. really!

      • idiot savant

        Yeah thats strange. Because calling line outs is about competing. And Arnold looks like he doesn’t mind a bit of competition. It was fascinating watching Simmons and Toner play ducks and drakes on both sides throws.

  • Human

    What about the positives – Samu, Tui, the whole pack including reserves ? Any thoughts. I thought that Samu and Tui were good – Pocock is extraordinary and the scrum was solid. Body height is still an issue for the big men and it would be nice to replicate the Irish tag-team running – they seem to make easy metres.

    • Brumby Runner

      The pack is going good, even my pet hate Rob Simmons put in a couple of ground gaining runs. But I’d still prefer Rory Arnold to be there (perhaps in place of Hanigan) for his more aggressive style and his unmatched ability to disrupt opposition mauls.

    • Adrian

      Torally right Human

      Many more positives than negatives against world’s #2 team. Much better than at this time last year, or the year before.

      Fantastic match too.

    • idiot savant

      Yeah you are right Human. We need to be concentrating on the positives. We played the world number 2 side who have beaten the ABs, Saffers, and won the six nations in the last 12 months. Did we think it was going to be a picnic? To match them and very nearly win the series is a massive improvement on the side that meekly surrendered to Scotland in their last test. How much has our defence improved? How competitive are our forwards against one the best packs in the world?

      I am very excited about the pack. Our starters absorbed the physicality in the softening up period. Our front row really put in (best game from Sio in a long while) and our locks tackled their guts out. Tui, while not fully engaged for the 80 mins (he hasn’t had a lot of football), was imposing in the moments he was involved in. If he can make more tackles the 6 jersey is his. Pocock is the best 7 in world rugby. And the finishers in all 3 tests upped the intensity and delivered. Latu is a test player, Tupou a weapon, and even old Simmo bossed the line out like no other Australian lock. This is a pack that is already competitive but has upside. A lot of the younger players will get better.

      This series was a success for the Wallabies. I cant wait for the reality test that awaits us against the rejuvenated Boks and the Darkness.

    • Aron

      It’s great to see that our front row looks world class for quite some time. The benchers were fun to watch. “Finishers” is a term that actually applies to them

  • Adrian

    55 all over 3 games against world #2 isn’t bad at all.

    I tipped us by 3, and we didn’t play badly at all.

    I think everyone rated 7/10+, with Folau, Beale, Tui, Pocock and Latu worth 8.

    I thought our kicking would improve, but it didn’t.

    Our discipline only slightly better, and needs to improve. Our game management only just ok,…under both captains.

    Defence, excellent. Irish defence, excellent.

    When TPN, Genia and maybe Dempsey are back in the 23, we’ll give the Kiwis a run for their money.

    More later…..

    PS….a thoroughly enthralling game and series.

    What more do we want?

    • McWarren

      Sorry not buying it today. How do you give Folau and Beale an equal score to Pocock?

      • Adrian

        You are right.
        I was trying to generalise.
        9 for Pocock

    • Brumby Runner

      What influence on the game did Beale have to warrant a 7/10? I have to say that he looked to me to be quite subdued and had little impact all night.

      • Adrian

        I actually have him an 8. I thought he kept the defence guessing every time he touched the ball.

      • riaan

        I noticed early on the Irish had big bodies like Stander running at him, and he struggled and went into his shell a little in defence. He was subdued after that I thought and went back to his crabbing ways with the ball. His kicking game wasn’t too bad if i recall correctly.

        • Parker

          I guess you missed him tackling most of those big bodies that ran at him. Why does he have to extra to satisfy you blokes?

    • joy

      I find myself agreeing with you Adrian in every respect. Well put.

  • edward g murrow

    One of this most frustrating things for line was watching us get the ball standing flat every. Single. God. Damn. Time.

    Forwards, backline, whatever, the ball was delivered to a man who then looked up and took his first steps.

    Contrast this to the darkness who are consistently hitting the line with speed, ball in hand, delivered with momentum.

    We couldn’t dent the oaddy’s Lone all night and this was a big piece of it IMO.

    • onlinesideline

      mate couldnt agree more – this is THE thing about the wallabies I will never ever understand. Why pass the ball to a forward who recieves it a nano second before being smashed. Why they dont stand deeper as you say just mystifies me. How can you bend the line with no speed. No one else does this. Madness.

  • Archie

    Not at all. Cracking game and Ireland were deserved winners. They were too good

    • Mart

      copy and paste my statement to results of multiple internationals over last few weeks. I’m not talking about Ireland, yes they were very good.

      • Archie

        the game was an exciting spectacle. Tick

        The most deserved team won. Tick.

        So how has the game been ‘ruined’?

        • Mart

          the ‘spectacle’ was ruined by the continual stoppages and going through anything ad nauseum with a fine tooth slow mo comb

        • Archie

          Sure, but then the refs get absolutely crucified in the media and by fans for missing something or making the wrong call. There’s been plenty of examples of that recently too. It seems to me that they’re damned if they do and damned if they don’t.

        • Mart

          if they took a poll. ‘m sure most fans would be happy to see a reduction in the usage of the TMO and when he/she’s involved and leave more to on field ref. Game flows better. Make it clear why and the fans will cop it if the ref misses the odd thing and gets a call wrong.
          Like club rugby or how international rugby was a few years ago

        • Archie

          Got to disagree. I’m firmly in the ‘get the call right’ if you can camp. And I think the ‘clear and obvious’ approach is correct and logical. I.e. if the TMO finds they can’t definitively answer the question, then they take themself out of the equation and go back to what the ref would’ve called.

          I think he bigger issue is whether they’re getting it right or not.

          But to be honest (and no disrespect), it’s only ever the losers who are the squeaky wheels. (Perhaps Hansen being the exception)

        • Mart

          I just want to watch rugby.

          At the moment this is being hampered by an obsession with getting it right

  • idiot savant

    Thats why I’m an idiot!

  • Donal Dunne

    As an Irish fan I thought the Wallabies were a much tougher test than anything we played in the 6 nations. The France game had been obviously very close but a wet day in Paris suited them, and for most of the game felt like we were in control, not so against Aussies.

    Few things that spring to mind

    -Kicking by both Aussie halfbacks wasn’t great outside first test
    – Pocock was probably worth any two other players in terms of contribution. It might have been a very different series without him.
    – The Aussie subs FR should be the starting FR
    – The pen count, particularly from the likes of Coleman, was possibly the deciding factor. So many of these pens were all risk little reward from an Aussie perspective. The coach has to take responsibility here
    – Aussie scrum is excellent but lineout needs lots of work
    – I don’t really see what Kerevi offers Aus
    – Taking Phipps off in the 3rd test was baffling, I don’t know Joe Powell but he looked out of his depth.
    – We love Cheika from his Leinster days, but his post match press was hard viewing

    Good luck in championship, ye might genuinely 100 point Argies.

    • Greg

      Thanks for your comments and congrats.

    • idiot savant

      Thanks for your perspective Donal. Your boys are extraordinary at holding the ball for long periods. A well deserved series victory. Nice observation about Pocock. Without him we might have lost 3 nil.

  • Nevan209

    Great series…..well hosted….well played…well done to all!! OZ shouldn’t be too despondent, I thought they showed some real pride in the jersey. They were hard and competitive in all areas. Ireland just in a better vein of form. And to that ‘drongo’ who had the “You’re all English to me’…..you owe me a fuckin’ pint of Guinness…..I dropped mine when I saw it!!!! LOL I look forward to our next ‘battle’ mates!

  • RubixCube

    I would like to add my 2 cents, amazing series, what a shot in the arm for australian rugby, but moment of the series for mine was post match, the australian islanders inviting Bundee Aki into the huddle for a pray, a great example of why rugby is such an amazing game.

  • Nick Gregory

    Not sure if player ratings will get released for this one, but surely Foley is at best a 3 – one good clearing kick, one good grubber for MK’s try, followed by dropping it cold TWICE, then throwing the pill out on the full when we were hot on attack.

    Seriously can’t wait for Stewart/Mason to come through the ranks and provide some decent skills at 10

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