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Monday’s Rugby News has news about Mumm being cited, Cheika still adamant about his post-match comments, a happy Phil Waugh medallist, Richard Hardwick, and English lock Maro Itoje potentially maybe out of the Australia game.


Mumm In Trouble

Dean Mumm

Dean Mumm has been cited, the Daily Telegraph reports, for “alleged foul play” during the All Blacks game on Saturday night. As the article says:

Specifically, Mumm has been charged with striking, after an incident around the 52 minute mark shows him jostling shoulder-to-shoulder elbowing opposite lock Brodie Retallick in the face.

Retallick later suffered from concussion in the game, which may be attributed to copping some of Mumm’s Krav Maga. Others, however, feel that Mumm was merely trying to shrug off Retallick’s attempts of holding Mumm from entering a ruck.

Michael Cheika said: “I don’t want to talk about it too much because there’s a hearing to go but he [the citing commissioner] is not looking at all the action…[Mumm] is trying to get back from being held illegally.”

You can view footage of the incident here.

Cheika Adamant

CheikaSuit

Michael Cheika is still backing his post-match sentiment, after releasing a torrent of displeasure at the All Blacks, the referees and the NZ Herald after Saturday night’s loss. According to the Sydney Morning Herald, Cheika was still sure about himself after landing in Sydney on Sunday.

“They asked me to make a comment about their achievement and I said I didn’t think they cared about my comment which is the truth,” Cheika said. “I think that’s the honest thing to say. I could go on with all the politically correct stuff. Why would you let the opposition call your team clowns and mock the jersey? That’s how I feel about it. Maybe the others don’t. I never had an Australian jersey so I think it’s something that should be treasured.

“I’ve been disliked by plenty of people before, that’s not an issue. For me, my role is to make the team grow and improve. They’re the priorities,” the reigning World Rugby coach of the year said.

When queried over his claims of a conspiratorial connection between the paper and the All Blacks – and the revelation that the drawer of the cartoon in question is an Australian, and had a connection to Cheika in the past (the cartoonist used to date Cheika’s cousin) – Cheika was still firm.

“That [New Zealand Herald] is their go-to paper – the whole bug thing came out from there,” Cheika said. “We had policemen in our offices asking us questions, asking our management questions about it. That’s serious stuff to be accusing people of and it’s not true. That’s their go-to, nothing happens without that connection.”

Cheika was also maintaining his view over the Speight no-try: “If we lost by less than seven you could maybe say that [but] we didn’t in the end,” Cheika said. “You’ve got to try and put pressure on your opponent. We got in front there and kept the pressure on. The flow of the game could have been a little bit of different. I’m not going to say it’s a game-changer but it certainly had an effect, yeah.”

Pig Feeling Fly

Richard Hardwick

Perth Spirit backrower Richard Hardwick is chuffed to bits after being awarded the Phil Waugh medal for being best-on-ground during the NRC final in Tamworth, rugby.com.au reports.

“I was quite star-struck (getting the medal from Phil Waugh),” Hardwick said. “As a young fella I watched him play and he’s just a hard man so to get this award it means a lot to me.”

“It’s an unbelievable feeling going out there and getting man of the match,” Hardwick continued. “Having that feeling when you put everything out there and it ends up with a win it’s a phenomenal feeling. I came here with a job to play with my mates and just do my job and it’s very nice to get some recognition for that but I couldn’t do it without the support of the boys and my family.  It’s awesome.”

Hardwick, a Perth local (via Namibia), holds the appearance record for the Perth Spirit at 22 matches, and has recently been promoted to the Western Force Super squad from the academy.

He was also singled out for praise by opposing NSW Country Eagles captain Paddy Ryan, who said “It felt like we were running into a brick wall, their defence was incredible, full credit to Hardwick, he had an absolute blinder.”

Itoje Out?

Maro Itoje

Planet Rugby reports that English super lock Maro Itoje might be in a spot of bother in the upcoming spring tour/November internationals, after hurting his hand over the weekend.

Playing for his club side Saracens against Welsh team Scarlets in a European Championship game, Itoje hurt his hand after catching his arm awkwardly in a tackle. Saracens doctors then decided it’d be best to remove him from the game.

“Maro came off with a sore hand,” said the Saracens director of rugby, Mark McCall. “He will be examined and have an x-ray after which we will know more.”

Whatever the injury turns out to be, it puts Itoje in doubt for England’s upcoming internationals, the final one of which is against the Wallabies. Meaning that the chance for revenge for June is looking sweeter and sweeter.

  • npivag

    With Mumm, I think it’s obvious he meant to elbow Retallick whilst being illegally held off the ball. But, he wasn’t looking so you couldn’t say he was aiming for the head without making massive assumptions.
    The real question the citation commissioner should be answer is – is the burden on Mumm to be spatially aware before swinging? Or rephrased, if you’re swinging around and ‘accidentally’ hit someone in the head, is it still your fault because you were being reckless?
    I think it probably is Mumm’s fault, but he doesn’t deserve the ‘full’ sentence.

    • TheMountain

      Give him the full sentence so we don’t have to deal with the useless numbat on tour. What on earth did Fardy do to deserve this? Ross Haylett Petty or Ned Hanigan(pending injury?) to replace?

      • npivag

        I think RHP and NH look like goers and have the right skill sets, but they’re a bit green. NH is out for a while too I think.
        Wouldn’t mind RHP being a Wallaby tourist, or maybe playing some Scotland/France off the bench.

        • jamie

          It’s the northern tour: we should be blooding the absolute crap out of some blokes up here. Aren’t we playing midweek matches?

        • formerflanker

          One midweek match only.

    • Huw Tindall

      Pretty soft. Looks like Mumm was trying to shrug off Retalick illegally holding him back. Bit of acting too. If Mumm was reckless here then God knows what Owne Franks would have been considered with the face grabbing. All in all hand bags at 10 paces stuff. Get on with the show.

      • npivag

        Yeah, but the contract was there.
        That’s probably and key point.

        • Huw Tindall

          No doubt but aren’t post match citings meant for what could be a red card offence? Accidental elbow wouldn’t be but I guess a reckless one could be. Have to be pretty bloody reckless though. Silver lining is Mumm out if the side!! Although I don’t think he deserves all the flack he gets.

        • npivag

          Right on both counts.
          1. This probably doesn’t meet a red card threshold (I think I just read that it’s only a 1 week suspension anyway).
          2. Mumm is not a great rugby player, but he’s decent. His stats say that he gets through enough work, though perhaps he could be more dominant in the collision zone. It’s all pretty unfounded, even if I would like to see someone more talented step up and claim that jersey.

      • Soothsayer

        Like this?

        • Soothsayer
        • Huw Tindall

          Giving him a kiss

        • Soothsayer

          Looks like contact to the eye area. What’s the view about that sort of thing on this website?

        • npivag

          Not a great look, but there was a fair bit of this from both sides. I saw Dane Coles pull it a couple of times.
          You can’t tell alpha-males to bash each other for 80 minutes and expect to not see some push and shove, it’s just that there’s a line and we always have to keep questing and redefining that line.
          Personally, I don’t think this crosses any lines.

        • Greg

          +1

        • Matthew Ekstein

          Awesome stuff from Hooper. You have to get down and dirty with the darkness. Play by their rules. Wish the other 14 had as much heart.

        • maximus_wong

          37-10 – seems to be working

        • Cuz

          #humble kiwi

      • Beer Gut

        I fail to see how an elbow to the face and the resulting concussion is “pretty soft” and “hand bags”. It was a blatant elbow to the face, Mumm has been suspended, so it’s time to move on from this particular incident as well as the Owen Franks one.

    • First time long time

      This is a silver lining….. Give him 12 months for inappropriate contact around the face/eye region

      • qwas

        life long ban from the wallabies

        • First time long time

          He’ll get off as he was born in NZ and I’m pretty sure he is actually a double agent for the AB’s ; )

        • jamie

          Honestly not that unbelievable

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Damn – seen through it finally

    • ozrugbynut

      Silver linings. We might get lopeti at 6 and a new 8 called up, or fardy back at 6 where he belongs.

  • McWarren

    The most effective thing Mumm did in the whole game. Perhaps Retallick may think twice before holding back a player like that. You can bet your bottom dollar had the AB’s got a turnover and run in a try the ref, video ref and touchie wouldn’t have pulled it back for obstruction at the ruck. The AB locks are persistently living on our side of the ruck with a faux look of how did I get here?

    I for one support Cheika in his stance here. He maybe throwing a bit of a tantrum but at least he is calling it like it is. It seems the annoying fat shit Hansen can get away with anything but Cheika can’t even stand up for what he believes is a wrong without us lily livered Wallaby supporters shushing him because we are too scared to ‘disrespect the AB’s’. He’s right not to comment, they aren’t interested, they are just looking for click bate fodder.

    The AB’s won that game, but I for one would like to have seen them put under serious pressure by going behind at the 45th minute mark. When that try was turned down I thought we actually lifted a bit but just couldn’t maintain the rage.

    • Davo

      I’m with you brother. Don’t take too much notice of the anti Cheika comments. It’s just kiwi trolls and Qld fifth columnists.

      • MM

        Amen to that.

  • Dean

    Retallick was illegally obstructing and holding back Wallaby players the whole game. Almost every kickoff he illegally obstructed Wallabies players from getting near the ball receiver. Mumm and Hooper gave him a fraction of what he deserved because Nige had clearly shown his preference for keeping the home town crowd happy and wasn’t going to act.

    • Beer Gut

      Perhaps if players took the laws into their own hands and gave players “what they deserved” then nearly every player on the field would be knocked out and we wouldn’t have a game to watch at all. Come on Dean, time to grow up mate.

    • Redfish

      Sorry, but smacked in the head with an elbow is never on. If it had been happening ‘all game’ it is the captain’s job to point it out to the ref (respectfully!). An illegal act does not warrant a violent act. If the Wallabies want to be the best in the world, they need to respond to illegal play the right way (not always possible, but as much as possible). The ABs create a lot of illegal offenses, but not many violent ones (in recent years anyway – yes I know, not true years ago).

      • LoveThePoop

        I seem to remember an all black player trying to eye gouge and another all black player throwing a swinging arm to the head last time these 2 teams met

  • Soothsayer

    It was Pocock and it looked accidental to this Kiwi’so eyes.

    • Soothsayer

      Was a reply to Tim below regarding Mccaw head stamp.

  • Kiap

    Richard Hardwick winning the Phil Waugh medal in a wonderful recognition for the value of RugbyWA to Australian Rugby.

    “It was Dwayne Nestor who started it all for me back when I made my first state team in the Under 15s, from there I was lucky enough to be picked in the academy and incrementally made my way up the ranks.”

    It’s vital not to waste this decade-plus investment in WA, just as it is starting to bear fruit. Wallabies from the West and now the National Rugby Championship team from Perth.

    • McWarren

      It’s great to see isn’t it. Did I hear the commentators mention Richard Hardwick has a contract with the Force next year?

      • jamie

        Yes: he’ll be Hodgo’s understudy.

  • jamie

    Not sure Mumm deserves the suspension but let him have it anyway :-)

    • Fatflanker

      Poor bugger…you know you’re on the nose when your own supporters want to see you suspended! The thought of McMahon taking that 6 jumper is pretty enticing though.

  • Thomas

    Fair play to Mumm for standing up for the team. It was needed in the game and he got away with it. He’ll be cited and miss the next game, worth it for the culture change the Wallabies need. He’s a borderline player anyway.

  • Fatflanker

    Cheika-speak is quite difficult to understand at the best of times – I think what he’s been trying to say is ‘well done NZ…we gave it our best shot…going forward, this radical experiment with playing players in their normal positions seems to have some merit’.

    • Greg

      Good interpretation. You just need to read between the lines:-)

    • Willem Labuschagne

      Ah, suddenly the scales fall from my eyes and everything becomes clear. Good oh. Onward!

  • Nutta

    If Franks had no case to answer then neither does Mumm. Full stop & move on.

    If Hooper has a case to answer then so does Coles. Full stop & move on.

    I honestly believe that Cheks & co need to let the whole professionalism and respect thing go. There is no win to be had there and all it’s doing is to insure the Fleet St Trolls get completely feral.

    And whilst I am no big fan of Dean Mumm as a footballer, some of the ongoing bashing is getting distasteful. He does not have anything like the off-field record of others to make us question & insinuate him beyond his game-time stuff or justify calling for him to be suspended. Matter of fact he is pretty much a cleanskin in that regard.

    • Thomas

      Each situation is different though. Judge them all on their own merits.

      Owens, great referee, but perhaps not suited to this fixture. Cheika will kick up as big a fuss as possible over this so that he is not appointed to it again in the future. That is wise.

      As for Mumm, cite him if needs be. It was worth it. The Wallabies need balls to step up. It’s all well and good having them in the coaching box but we need it on the field and at the breakdown.

      • Nutta

        Sorry Dude, I’m an idiot. I meant Owen Franks!

        • Thomas

          My mistake, sorry!

  • Kevino

    NRC final was a great game, good way to top off the competition.

    I did not really notice it on Saturday night, but I am going to say it. Both Australia and New Zealand have shown a real arrogance and disrespect to rugby in the North by not wearing black arm bands on the Weekend, you had teams all over Europe paying tribute to Anthony Foley yet the two country’s can’t even put on some black tape for a guy who always played his heart off against them.

    Anyone who follows any European Rugby would be touched by the way the European Cup was conducted this weekend, if you don’t follow it you should have a look at how tightly knit the rugby community is across the 6 Nations countries, they still hold onto some of those old school values that Rugby needs.

    • Thomas

      Foley is a legend but it’s not fair to criticise Southern Hemisphere sides for not marking his death.

      • MM

        Never heard of him.

        • Thomas

          I genuinely recommend that you take maybe 30 mins out of your day and look into him. He’s one of rugby’s great men and it is an excellent story.

    • Lemom

      Pull your head in. Confected outrage about black arm bands paaaalease. Cannot wait for the grief power rankings to be released this weekend.

    • McWarren

      Kevino, I accept it would have been a nice gesture for a genuinely nice bloke. But I think it was an oversight more than any sort of disrespect from not bothering.

      Seeing his body bought back through the streets of Limerick, or was it Cork, brought a lump to my throat.

  • BiltongGreek

    Rettalick should have been an oscar for his performance. What a girl.

    • muglair

      That is what I thought I saw. Apart from the fact that he must have been interfering in play there seemed to be a big gap between being hit and falling over. I can understand the All Blacks needing new challenges. Doing a Hayne and going to the A League?

    • Ash

      Please don’t lump “girls” in to the same bucket as that pathetic display of diving. If you watched the Ferns vs Wallaroos game before hand you would of been pleasantly surprised at the lack of hand bags and theatrics. Suggesting Retalicks display is being “a girl” is just plain disrespectful.

  • Missing Link

    Holy hell this place is a pile of shit when infested by trolls after a Wallabies loss. One of the reasons I come on here is to discuss 2 things I love, Rugby and the Wallabies. Sick of trolls denigrating the Wallabies on social media.

    • MM

      I couldn’t agree more. Some of the anti Wallabies and anti Cheika shite on here makes me want to puke.

  • Tim

    Mumm will be out for a few weeks with that. I don’t think he meant to elbowed him in the face but it was still nasty. NZ love playing the victim they keep taking shots at the wallabies then when cheika says they don’t care his right. I hope the Wallabies can pull of the grand slam!

    • AlanDownunder

      The proper result would be a warning for Mumm and a suspension for Retallick’s (a) obstruction beyond the breakdown and (b) diving.

      Wallaby tour selection-wise, that would come as a disappointment. A suspension to force Cheika’s hand would be most welcome.

      • Tim

        Its disappointing although it means fardy or even sean could start at 6 which would be an awesome back three in the scrum

        • Joy

          Fardy’s yesterday’s man. Find a couple of young guns and develop them.

      • Joy

        If Retallick was on side he would not have copped that backhander. He well and truly deserved it. 25 years ago you would be dropped if you didn’t respond in kind.

  • Brisneyland Local

    Well I have finally calmed down enough after the game an ensuing onslaught of comments and vitriol to make a calm and rationale post about the game and the aftermath. So to regular GAGR’s here comes another BL’s missive:
    – I saw some genuine improvement in the team and the game plan for periods of the game!
    – I saw us regress to our poor skills and lack of basics for periods of the game.
    – Our line out looked reasonable.
    – Our scrum held it owns (on a note here was impressed with Owens referumping of the scrums).
    – there were contentious calls both ways, and whilst it is easy at the time to get emotional and worked up over them, they did not cost us the game.
    – Dropping the ball in attack cost us.
    – Leaving players isolated and standing back waiting for the ball to come out rather than getting in and clearing out to facilitate that process, cost us badly.
    – Not finding touch when kicking cost us.
    – Kicking to the opposition players costs us.
    – Poor defense cost us.
    – Not kicking penalties cost us.

    One or two umpiring decisions at cruicial moments, whilst at the time may feel like the “jesus nut” of a game, arent! Six tries to one is the facts, and whilst we pushed the All Blacks harder then we ever have this year, we were still not in their class.

    The really dissapointing thing is the coaches comments after. Whilst I as a supporter agree with some of the sentiments, you should not and CAN NOT as the national coach stand up and make the comments that MC made.

    I can rabbit on about team selections, and potentially wrong player choices, but it is largely now academic and comepletely irrelevant.
    We are heading north, and our form is not great. Regardless of how hard we pushed the best team in the world, our win / loss record is now pretty appalling.

    I think we require a new methodology going forward.

    • Beer Gut

      Best comment I have read in the last few days. I tip my hat to you, sir.

      • Brisneyland Local

        thank you very much! As I said to The Genius, it took a lot of pain to get to this point.! A journey of maturity for me I must admit. so my wife now thinks I am about the equivalent maturity to my 10yo daughter. I am impressed ! Progress!

    • Simon

      I never got angry or upset about this game because as far as I’m concerned that game was full of improvement. I have no doubt that if we’d brought that game to the England series in June we’d have whitewashed them 3-0 instead of the other way around.

      We still spilled the ball too often in the red zone, missed easy penalties and still gifted the ABs tries but for the first time in a long, long time I saw us fronting up physically and consistently making metres against the All Blacks in both the forwards and the backs. Bending and breaking the line, inside balls, pick and goes, solid physicality, we saw it all and it FINALLY put an end to that thoughtless one-out running style we’ve had to put up with all year. I’d still like to see things mixed up a bit more as regards attacking kicking, but that just ain’t going to happen with Phipps and Foley as the halves.

      It might have been a pretty similar scoreboard to Bled 1 in Sydney, but in Sydney we never looked like we were in the contest. This time we did, and I reckon if we’d been playing any other team on the night we’d have won. I’m a bit more optimistic now for the Spring Tour, we may not get a grand slam but I think we’ll win more than we lose.

      So I choose to be optimistic about this one. And honestly, if you’re going to hate on yourself every time your team loses to the ABs, you’re going to be a bloody miserable bugger!

      • Brisneyland Local

        Simon, great points. No hating on myself. I am full of self love, or so the wife tells me! I wish we had bought that intensity to the England Games. Unfortunately I think we have become so passive it takes a number of total floggings for us to finally respond.
        I agree about Phipps and Foley.
        Yes there was an improvement, and the Kiwis were actually talking about being pushed. And that is good. But we lost. To the Darkness I will accept. But we should have never have lost 3-0 to England.

        • Simon

          Agreed, that England series was the darkest period in my time as a Wallabies supporter. Not just that we lost, but the way the lost, by playing stupid rugby and being out-thought at every turn.

          The two games against the Boks this RC were little better. Barely winning one and losing the other against a pedestrian opposition. Two healthy victories against Argentina were the first signs of spark and we managed to bring that improvement this time too. Unfortunately it was the hardest gig in world rugby, the ABs at Eden Park.

          There is still plenty to work on but we’ve uncovered some good raw material in guys like DHP, Kerevi, Hodge, Arnold, Coleman and Timani. The side looks far more dangerous than it did with Dad’s Army of European expats (Genia excepted). They will only continue to improve as a team and I reckon this Spring Tour will restore some of the pride vis-à-vis the NH that was dented in June.

    • Missing Link

      How many games this year have resulted in the All blacks blowing out the score between 60 – 80 minutes? It seems like they can beat any team simply by having a higher level of fitness.

      • Brisneyland Local

        I was tossing that idea around with a few glasses of red last night with a couple of neighbours (all rugby nuts). One of the ideas put forward by our Fijian neighbour is that NZ metally are fitter too. they never say die, and the difference between being behind and in front is about 2 mins! They just have an uncanny way of seizing opportunities and slamming them down. they never look a gift horse in the mouth!

        • Missing Link

          That is a good point, valid, though I think their mental fitness stems from physical fitness. In my expert amateur sporting opinion, I have tended to make mistakes due to a lapse in concentration after suffering physical fatigue. I think other teams can improve against NZ simply by increasing their physical fitness level as they will be less likely to make mistakes late in the game. It’s like how statistically drivers are more prone to having an accident when they’re tired.

        • Brisneyland Local

          ML, when I was in the Army, we did some significant studies into this one. The reality is the two are inextricably linked. Mental toughness or resilence will get you through all kinds of bad things. Physical fitness is the shock absorber so to speak that rides you out until there is nothing left in the tank, and resilence is all you have!

      • Nicholas

        The quality of the AB’s bench is also a significant factor. Most of the bench would stroll into the starting XV of most other countries.
        16. Codie Taylor
        17. Wyatt Crockett
        18. Charlie Faumuina
        19. Liam Squire
        20. Ardie Savea
        21. Tawera Kerr-Barlow
        22. Aaron Cruden
        23. Malakai Fekitoa

    • Willem Labuschagne

      G’day BL, and hear hear. You are spot on in every respect. Thing is, your first point is the really important one. It really did look for large parts of the game as if (1) there was a sensible game plan and (2) the players all understood what their roles were in that plan. That’s a huge step forward from the beginning of the RC.

      • Brisneyland Local

        YEs it did! I agree whole heartedly. We just need to get some more consistency in execution!

    • Graham Osborne

      Absolutely agree with this post, except I can’t be to upset with the coach mad moment . I know how he feels and will forgive him if the team keeps playing like this . Love the passion !

      • Brisneyland Local

        Graham, I am probably a little less forgiving. I do love his passion, but he is the coach of an international sporting team! He needs to start playing the stateman. People will be more forgiving of the occcaisional dummy spit when we are winning!

  • Thomas

    The NZ brigade commenting here summarise all that is wrong with them.

    No-one questions the ability of the NZ side, their superiority over Australia and their deserved emphatic retention of yet another Bledisloe Cup. Any comment that is not fawning praise is being greeted by outrage.

    The NZ press was disrespectful to Australia. How serious this is (I don’t think it is particularly serious at all) is debatable. Incorrect decisions did favour NZ also, and no-one suggests that correct refereeing would ultimately changes the outcome of the series anyway.

    Dummies are being thrown from the pram because Australian rugby is not going overboard in their platitudes and actually want to reflect on the game?

    It’s so odd. It’s like rugby is all that these people have to define themselves by and are incapable of critical thinking.

    In my opinion we’ve indulged our little brother’s delusions of grandeur for too long. NZ has a great team, a lot better than ours, but that is all.

  • Hoss

    Let me be on the record

    The AB’s are all class, are a cut above and rightfully sit where they sit with daylight second.

    Are they the greatest of all time ? Well, how long is a piece of string ? For me no, the 2010 – 2015 were the greatest and this current lot certainly is good but was given serious momentum into their 18 in a row by Sir Richie and co leading up to the RWC 15 final and into this year – moot point really, they are seriously good whichever way you view it.

    But there is so much PC drivel in some posts today regarding Cheika i feel compelled to weigh in.

    I for one love his passion, i like the fact he thinks losing sucks, i like the fact he thinks a Wallaby jersey shouldn’t be denigrated, i like the fact he holds individuals to account – this PC bullshit of not criticising officials- show me where he has – despite the fact Owen is a flat out incompetent fool or just has such a man crush on the AB’s that rules don’t matter – Cheika stated & i paraphrase, ‘we made to many mistakes and have to own them before we look to blame others’. I would be spiting bile over possibly the worst decision in rugby over the last 10 years – anyone remember how Saintly the AB’s and media were over Wayne Barnes and ‘that’ forward pass against the frogs in 07 ??? Compared to that Cheika has been almost mute over the Owens debacle.

    I love the fact he speaks plainly, no media trained garbage, no inane interviews, no guarded, contrite waste of time. He calls it how he sees it, he protects his team and to a man they follow him.

    Was it a shit year, did we achieve anything – blind Freddy could answer that.

    But – was there hope from our last outing, did we show we are closing the gap, can we beat the Dark Lords – then fuck yes.

    Give me coach who stands up for what he believes in, calls a spade a spade and not afraid to say what he thinks – that’s a coach who will lead us back & all that matters in the world of Rugby now are 4 year World Cup cycles – the rest is foreplay.

    • Thomas

      They may be the greatest of all time but we don’t know that yet (presuming we are considering this a different side to the World Cup champions).

      Winning the Rugby Championship and Bledisloe Cup is not enough to go on as the standard of opposition is the poorest that there has ever been, in my opinion.

      They have difficult tests coming up against Ireland (probably their biggest challenge of the last 12 months) and France in November. It’s a shame they don’t have England too.

      Let’s see how they fare next year. RC may be more difficult if Australia can re-build, especially with Beale and more back. Lions tour should be a whitewash, but if they can repeat this form 2 years in a row they have a solid case

  • Beer Gut

    The best post-game reaction from Cheika would have been to completely ignore the newspaper illustration and move forward. Currently, he is not behaving like a World Rugby Coach of the Year for 2015. Accusing the opposition to be connected with a silly clown drawing and still talking about the bug is disappointing. It’s time to move on.

    There were a great deal of positive signs from the WB’s (as well as a few negative signs) that he should be focusing on for the upcoming northern tour. They were mostly very solid in the set piece – they had a great scrum and their lineouts were very decent. Folau was a constant threat almost every time he touched the ball (although I think he should be used more and needs a supporting player in case of an offload), Kerevi was dangerous until he limped off the park, Kepu and Moore were solid with ball in hand, Foley attacked the line with flair and gusto, Timani was a beast, and they kept this up for most of the game.

    Unfortunately a few players were liabilities, namely Speights and Phipps who both cost the WB’s tries, and Mumm who did very little apart from a smart maul-stop and elbow that has seen him get suspended and should make way for Fardy. Missed kicks at goal were disappointing, as were their kicks in play. With the way The Darkness are playing at the moment, not many teams would have stopped some of those tries. That’s just life I guess.

    If the WB’s can focus on what they did right, and improve on their weaknesses, they should have a successful tour. They have come a long way since the England series and that first game against New Zealand.

    Edit: I must also congratulate and commend Arnold and Coleman in the second row for having great test matches. They are the future for the WB’s. Arnold in particular was fantastic and deserved a try.

    • NN

      Still with the conspiracy theories

      • Beer Gut

        Cheika said it himself “We’re going there for a good contest and I think they (All Blacks) are connected to it (the photo mock up) obviously because they are talking about it”.

        • Thomas

          I don’t think any reasonable person would think for a nanosecond that “connected” means that the NZ Rugby team controls the NZ Herald. That’s complete and utter nonsense.
          So much to praise the NZ team for and criticise the Wallabies about, and you choose to don a tin-foil hat?

        • Beer Gut

          Oh no, it’s you again Thomas. I’m repeating what Cheika has said. Seems to me that Cheika is the one wearing the tin-foil hat, as he has talked about the clown illustration for two days and still went on about the All Blacks-NZ Herald bug connection. At the end of the day, Cheika should behave better than this, ignore the BS, focus on the sport itself, and move forward. His team put in a solid performance and can grow from here. In case your reading glasses are missing, I have praised the WB’s plenty in my comment above. Perhaps you should try reading it again. This is my last reply to you sir. Have a nice day.

        • Thomas

          Yes you are repeating what he said with a tin-foil hat.
          Of course further into his quotes he says that the NZ Herald is their go-to paper, but better for the tin-foil hat stuff to leave all that out I suppose

    • Thomas

      Mate, Cheika didn’t accuse the NZ team or running the NZ Herald no matter how many times you protest! That’s f**** mental!!!!!

      • Beer Gut

        Yes, it is a “f**** mental” accusation right Thomas? NZ Herald columnist, Chris Rattue’s new nickname for “Mad Mike” seems to suit him quite well. At least he makes the Bledisloe Cup games a bit more interesting with this off field banter.

    • Willem Labuschagne

      Agreed, and echo the sentiments about a locking pair that are clearly the future.

  • Kevino

    Retallick did not go off with concussion so his acting is pretty impressive.

    • Thomas

      The “Retallick was acting” stuff is as silly as the Cheika conspiracy theories floating around here.

      Mumm will be cited, deservedly so. I am personally happy to see a little more needle in the Wallabies camp but he will pay the price for this.

      • Kevino

        Mumm deserves what ever punishment world rugby sees fit. Does not mean he did not play up the elbow a bit, video looks like his knocked out but played on so that will be taken into consideration.

        • Joy

          What made Retallick think he could get away with that offside iback to front clean out. He deserved what he got and a whole lot more.

        • Willem Labuschagne

          “He deserved what he got and a whole lot more” … Mate, I thought the adrenalin would have worn off by now. Come on!

    • Willem Labuschagne

      Mate, he’s probably going to miss the EOYT with concussion, so you’re being a bit harsh. Besides, Retallick is not known for theatrics — he’s a hard but clean player, just like John Eales was, for example, and Nathan Sharp, to mention another honest bugger.

      • Kevino

        He will be playing in Chicago. If he does miss EOYT I hope his willing to give out to NZRU for leaving him on the pitch with concussion. Because if his out it means that they have not followed protocols.

  • Thomas

    Foley today talking up the possibility of a grand-slam in Europe. Is that wise?

    England and Ireland are considerably better than Australia at the moment. Perhaps don’t set wild expectations?

  • Niggle

    Wallabies played a fantastic game streets ahead of the previous 9.Attack was on point and forward platform best it’s been all season.Turnover ball was the problem but once cheika sorts that they’ll be a formidable team.Their fitness has gotten better and buy the time they conquer all in the grand slam tour they’ll be fit as,when they get home keeping that fitness is crucial in the off season.The difference between a great team and a good one is naff all and these Wallabies are nearly there,lots of good things in the last game,looking forward to next years Bledisloe games.

    • McWarren

      Well said Niggle. Lots of positive out of the game. A bit of selection consistency will help, such as leaving Hodge and Speight in place.
      We seem to gift a lot of turnovers after making half or full breaks. As usual on Saturday the whole team seemed surprised we made a break and were caught napping. I said it and read it here before, but our guys need to play with the assumption that the guy with the ball is about to break the line. This should sort out our support play to take a pass (being sure not shoulder a large Kiwi winger out of the way in the process) or to clear out in the ensuing ruck.

    • Redfish

      You can’t eliminate all turnover ball. The wallabies didn’t turn that much over in my view given how much possession they had. The problem is – getting their defense organised quickly to stop the counter-attacks. That is where the focus must be. To leak 6 tries (could/should have been 8) when the other team had 30% possession is by far the biggest problem here. To beat the ABs, 9/10 times will need to keep them under 30 points.

  • OlderIGet

    Two things surprised me last weekend.
    1. That the Kiwis had to resort to Italian soccer styled theatrics to milk penalties despite their absolute dominance. Perhaps they weren’t as confident as I thought they should be.
    2. Cheika’s lack of emotional security by reacting so petulantly about a cartoon in the paper.

  • Paul

    The Wallabies really tested the AB’s on Saturday night and for long periods of the match you could say were the better team. So well done Wallabies. Just need to keep it up for 80 minutes and be more clinical in the red zone. Plenty to be positive about.
    Dean Mumm will probably be suspended for that. Yes Retallick was offside and infringing, and Yes it probably wasn’t intentional, but that’s beside the point. He made contact to the head of Retallick. To those claiming Retallick is play acting…if you’ve ever participated in any contact sports you’d realise it doesn’t take much power to drop someone if a solid elbow lands right on the button (the point of the chin). Retallick does not have reputation for play acting and I doubt he did this time.
    In regards to Chieka – he should stop the whining. It’s embarrassing. Getting all upset at a cartoon and trying to blame the AB’s for it is ridiculous. The NZ Herald is a rubbish paper and Chieka should be the bigger man and rise above it. Foreign media in all countries (including Australia) publish cartoons like that from time to time. Harden up Chieka.

    • Willem Labuschagne

      Agree with each point you make.

  • Adrian

    Champions in any sport definitely get the 50:50 decisions.

    Whingers in any sport tend not to get the 50:50 calls.

    Both of these factors weighed against the Wallabies on Saturday night.

    Clearly it should have been a try, and clearly it changed the course of the game.

    Now time to move on

  • Adrian

    When is Wallaby team announced?

  • Kay GB

    I’m a neutral and I watched both press conferences. Steve Hansen’s first words were to acknowledge the Wallabies and the great game they bought to challenge the AB’s.

    Cheika did not ONCE congratulate the All Blacks on their world record… not once. Instead he chose to focus on peripheral matters like what the local media are publishing and bug-gate which happened a few months ago now.

    Class-less.

    The rugby world should be doing two things right now.

    1) Congratulating the All Blacks on an astonishing world record.
    2) Buzzing with excitement/nervousness (depending on where you are from) about the Wallabies beginning to find their feet.

    Instead, if you take a look around various global world media right now this is what’s happening… they’re:

    1) Congratulating the All Blacks on an astonishing world record.
    2) Poking fun at the Aussie coach who came to the press conference and acted exactly like the depiction of himself that he’s so pissed off about.

    • HK Red

      Agreed that it’s classless and Cheika is looking like a grade-A pillock at the moment. Time for him to grow up. Yes Australia should be taking the high-ground and showing a better example, but neither team can profess to be doing that. I don’t remember the ABs congratulating/thanking the opposition after the 2011 and 2015 RWC finals. In fact, they didn’t mention the opposition at all. Think everyone could maybe try a little harder to get back to the values and respect that we hold dear in this great game.

      • Kay GB

        Sorry HK. But your memory is failing you big time. New Zealand were all class after last year’s RWC final…

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kWKSv8btzo

        Now compare that to Chieka a couple of days ago.

        • Yeah nah

          Yeah nah. Post-match interview (on the field) with McCaw and DC – absolutely no acknowledgement of the opposition despite being asked directly about the Wallabies. It basically went down like this:

          Interviewer: They (Australia) really came back at you didnt they?
          McCaw: Yeah but we shut them down because we are the greatest.

        • teach

          Shhh! Stop bringing facts into the discussion. They don’t fit with the narrative that ABs are graceless and don’t talk about the opposition.

  • LoveThePoop

    How come Retallic didn’t go off for a concussion test if he received concussion from mumm’s elbow?

  • First time long time

    “… if foul play is ok as long as the victim is offside… ” Ruchie would be receiving his knighthood posthumously!

  • MM

    The shocker was Retallic’s Hollywood dive. Must come from playing the Argies more often.

  • Muzz

    Mate I agree to a point but if the shoe was on the other foot the kiwis would be howling about us disrespecting them.

  • Thomas

    The nationality of the cartoonist is an irrelevance. He was doing an illustration to suit the editorial line.

    Cheika is clearly using this to galvanise his squad and create a siege mentality ahead of the November tour. That’s the game.

  • Beer Gut

    It just highlights the absolute hypocrisy of Cheika on multiple fronts. We can all remember what happened against Scotland at the 2015 RWC, but now a bad call has gone against his team, the moaning starts. And same again with local newspapers making fun of the opposition. It seems that Cheika is living up to the clown description.

  • Soothsayer

    No evidence that the concussion was from the elbow to the face.

  • Fatflanker

    Retallick getting concussed wasn’t necessarily due to this incident. For mine, he is hamming it up – took two short steps back then rolled onto his back. That said, it was a cheap shot that deserves sanction.

  • jamie

    Isn’t provocation a defence at the tribunal?
    In my opinion, if you’re doing something illegal like that you deserve something like that. It’s like stepping on someone who’s on the wrong side of the ruck. Vigilante rugby.

  • Greg

    If found guilty then Mumm needs to face the consequences of his action.

    BUT…. action needs to be taken to rub out these deliberate illegal plays that lead to the retaliation. Both are wrong and both need to be stopped.

    If action had been taken on the field I would like to see yellow cards for both of them.

  • Joy

    A no look strike

  • Thomas

    If you don’t stand in awe of an artificial haka they are offended. If you are spear tackled and don’t like it they get offended.

    That’s what they need to do as a small island to get into their winning mentality, which is fair enough. What Cheika is doing now is something you see pro coaches of any code doing throughout the world, creating a siege mentality.

  • First time long time

    You do take your Sir Ruchie very seriously Tim

  • Thomas

    Case in point.
    The place will be overrun by New Zealanders clarifying anything that might even hint at a slight on their idols

  • ozrugbynut

    Bad example as i keep saying. One was a jibe against a player probablh motivated by respect and fear, the other was lampooning the coach and oz rugby.

  • Dean

    He has to make some occasional correct decisions to keep his job, as he did in the examples you cite. On balance, the home town crowd would have been very happy with his performance. I imagine he would have been warmly treated by the locals back at his hotel, and strolling the streets of Auckland on the Sunday. Perhaps you were one of them?

  • Brisneyland Local

    In legal terms yes provacation is a mitigating circumstance, however only if the response is proportional. In this case, the response was not!

  • Beer Gut

    It’s the same as saying a woman dressed provocatively deserves to be raped because she shouldn’t be wearing clothes that show off her cleavage or legs.

  • Thomas

    So to clarify, your opinion is that Cheika is a hypocrite because he did not take offence at something that had nothing to do with him, and the editorial slant of the NZ Herald is biased towards Australia?

  • Braveheart81

    That’s not the point of it. Cheika is pointing out the hypocrisy that the All Blacks constantly demand respect and get up in arms anytime they think that any slight is made against them. Then the reverse happens and they expect everyone else to be fine with it. Good on Cheika for standing up for the Wallabies and himself.

    The ownership of the NZ Herald is irrelevant. Clearly Australia doesn’t take editorial control over the paper.

  • McWarren

    Daniel, I don’t know if he would be outraged as he hasn’t been in charge of the Wallabies at time when the alleged insults were printed. I don’t doubt that our press are just as able to stir the shit pot. My point is, Cheika does not have to apologize to me for standing up for the Wallaby Jersey. Call him hypocritical all you like with regards to refs decision etc, but not on this. The Bro’s are constantly on about respect for this, respect for that, but when the disrespectful shoe is on the other bogan foot they aren’t so go at takin their medicine.

  • Missing Link

    Do you remember the dead Kangaroo in your paper with the heading “Wallaby Stew”?

  • Thomas

    Do statistics alone tell the “real story”? Really?

  • Julesie Bolwell

    To be fair though, this year has been very much a rebuilding year. Sometimes it does take a while for things to really click and get going. I have faith

  • Kevino

    When anyone has had a positive on the game teams should show respect. Cheika knew Foley and was asked about him during the week. Can’t comment on Hobbs, but I know they did for Lomu, Collins etc

  • Greg

    Dan, maybe I am just too old school…. if you deliberately infringe you can’t really complain too much.

    standing on the wrong side of a ruck and pulling someone out of the ruck is deliberate and pre-meditated. Falling through a ruck (hello richie) or sealing off the ball you can say are “accidents” but not this. so yep… yellow card.

    Mumm still needs to answer for his actions.

  • Thomas

    Where did he say that the New Zealand team was responsible for publishing those images?

  • Thomas

    This grief competition is in bad taste mate.

  • Beer Gut

    Your comparison is not a valid one. Both countries had local newspapers making fun of the other team (whether it be coach or player) and each team’s reactions were very different. Cheika’s behaviour is disappointing and embarrassing. Even worse is that he kept going on about it when he touched down in Sydney. Australian rugby deserves better than this.

  • Thomas

    Do we live in a black and white world where every reaction to incidents should be the exact same? Every circumstance is different.

    “consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds” as they say.

  • McWarren

    Cheika has said he thought the Speight try should have stood. He has not said it decided the game. He’s not moaning about, he is simply saying he thought the decision was wrong.

    On the other hand is going on a bit about the clown stuff, but then he keeps getting asked about.

  • Beer Gut

    Of course every incident is different with many different factors. However, Cheika and Moore should have thicker skin and ignore the trolling of a newspaper illustration that is in fact separate to the NZR organisation, not one and the same as Cheika believes.

    “Why would you let the opposition call your team clowns and mock the jersey? That’s how I feel about it,” – Cheika. I don’t recall the All Blacks or NZR calling or labelling them clowns.

  • Beer Gut

    “Why would you let the opposition call your team clowns and mock the jersey? That’s how I feel about it” – Michael Cheika at Sydney Airport on Sunday.

  • Thomas

    This was in reference to the NZ press corps and from Cheika’s refusal to indulge their questions.

    He has not accused the NZ team of taking over a newspaper and putting pictures in it. This tin-foil hat stuff is not really necessary is it?

  • maximus_wong

    I don’t think the paper was calling the Wallabies clowns, just Cheka. I think they’ve got a valid point.

  • Colin Fenwick

    Exactly my impression after seeing a replay of the elbow.

  • Beer Gut

    Actually it’s not.

    Later in the quote: “We’re going there for a good contest and I think they (All Blacks) are connected to it (the photo mock up) obviously because they are talking about it”.

    And since when is “the opposition” and press corps from any country mentioned as if they are the same entity in the world of rugby union?

    Nice try though Thomas.

  • Thomas

    Of course you see his point.

    The Wallabies have nothing for the New Zealand team to fear, correct. A NZ team in red-hot form was playing against an out of form injury-hit Wallabies with inferior players to NZ in every position.

    Why, exactly, would NZ fear us?

    The NZ Herald article was disrespectful and playing to the galleries in NZ as rugby is all that the country has over it’s bigger neighbour. I don’t have a problem with it, I doubt Cheika does either but you can hardly expect platitude sound-bytes from someone that they deliberately insult.

  • Kevino

    It’s not meant to be a competition, the values of rugby that made the game great are becoming lost at a very rapid rate the last few years.

  • Thomas

    Come on, mate? What are you doing?
    The NZ Herald positioned themselves in opposition to the Australian rugby with their coverage. Cheika’s quote is in direct response to this.

    He didn’t volunteer this opinion in an unrelated interview.

    NZ fans are as bad as Liverpool supporters in the victim stakes.

  • Thomas

    The alternative would be not to let high-level statistics be the sole basis of an opinion. Statistics do not provide context and the level you are talking at is anything but academic.
    You would need to factor in more variables to add any value to an opinion solely based on statistics.

    This year has not been a success for the Wallabies, however. There is no escaping that.

  • Thomas

    Of course they are connected, they have made themselves part of this narrative. They are using it to motivate the team and the press there are desperate to court their favour. It does not make them responsible for it.

    None of this is a big deal, it’s just NZ supporters playing the victim card for no particular reason. You should just enjoy your victory. You care waaaaaay too much about what other people think of you.

  • Beer Gut

    I’m disputing and disagreeing with your opinion by simply quoting what Cheika has said. As stated in an earlier reply to you Thomas, Cheika has said “We’re going there for a good contest and I think they (All Blacks) are connected to it (the photo mock up) obviously because they are talking about it”.

    So if you can’t connect the dots yet, Cheika has claimed the All Blacks are partly responsible for the Clown illustration, which is complete madness.

    Nice to see you assume that I am a NZ fan, but alas I am not. I am American. Sorry to burst your bubble.

  • Thomas

    It’s nothing like that. FFS. Your posts have a desperate lack of perspective.

  • jamie

    No it isn’t. It’s nothing like that. That’s one of the stupidest things I’ll read hear all day: including the kiwi trolls below.

    This is a tribunal in a sport where it’s encouraged to assault each other.

  • Brisneyland Local

    Trust me it took until this morning, and writing that post five times to be that unemotive and as balanced as I can be! It was an effort.

  • Thomas

    What Cheika said is clear and you are choosing to take what he said out of context in order to support your confirmation bias.

    Cheika has not said that the NZ team took over the newspaper or told them what to print. What you are suggesting is not realistic mate.

  • Thomas

    The England series was unfortunate. We were undercooked and in a difficult position when chasing the series. Can’t escape the 3-0 was an embarrassment though.

    The Rugby Championship standings reflect the quality of the participating sides.

    Ultimately I think we have a decent coach and are at the level we should expect with the players at our disposal. It is difficult in a country like Australia where we have a culture of expecting to win everything. I think that is what provokes so much emotion here.

  • Beer Gut

    It is crystal clear for all to see and understand. Even the article at the top of this website claims the same thing: “When queried over his claims of a conspiratorial connection between the paper and the All Blacks”. No other way to dispute it. Nice try again Thomas.

  • Thomas

    I don’t want to misrepresent you. To clarify, you genuinely believe that Cheika thinks that the NZ rugby team controls the NZ Herald.

    I’m not sure what the point in debating this further is?

  • MM

    Retallic should be cited for play acting and Mumm should be given a medal.

  • MM

    Ignore him, I suspect he’s too young to vote let alone live up to his monniker.

  • Grant NZ

    Cheika spent about a minute saying he believed the cartoon had come from the AB’s!

  • Nutta

    The Franks thing was big to us. It was blatant, deliberate attacking of the face of a guy legally going about his work. No qualms about it. Dean Mumm threw a blind shrugging elbow at a guy holding him back. Also, don’t ignore the Richard Loe on Paul Carozza history on the Oz reaction. Now I’m not calling wolf etc, all I am saying is that Oz is very conscious of an AB front-rower attacking someone’s face and thus the Franks blow-up.

    Re Cheks et al and the soreness, I concur there is simply no mileage in it so it needs to be let-be. He is only making it a magnet for more commentary. And as for players not challenging a coach, we saw that distasteful episode of QC vs Dingo and no one wants a repeat. Plus no one player here has the player power any more of Beale, Rocky or Gits to challenge a coach and win (aka get a coach sacked)

  • Thomas

    I certainly don’t think that it means that the NZ team runs the newspaper!

  • Thomas

    I think the Australian public is largely indifferent to the fortunes of the Wallabies, sadly.

  • Thomas

    What excuses have I made?

    Australia does need to rebuild, is that an excuse? I don’t think so but it’s still a fact. I don’t really follow what your issue is? Do we not need to rebuild? Is this us at our peak of potential?

  • Thomas

    It seems your post is in response to something the exact opposite of what I wrote?

  • McWarren

    Bullshit Jamie. The decision was wrong, in every form. You are allowed to shoulder your way into a support role. Owens was the ref, it was his final decision. It was wrong, pretty simple really. And if you think a penalty try or even a penalty was due when Foley saved a try you have no idea. I had put some value into your opinions until I read the above drivel.

  • Hoss

    So Keiran Reid & Savea’s pulling of DHP’s jersey in the 2 seconds prior tot that, as DHP was trying to position himself in support, was what, a loving embrace full of goodwill ?

  • McWarren

    Actually Jamie, I thought Scotland were robbed. And I think that bad call cost us the reality check we needed.

    And on shouldering people out of the way when running support lines?

  • Hoss

    Did you watch the game Reg or is the depth of your view based on the scoreline ?? If so, then you must think the Swans were never in the game at all verse the bulldogs, the score would suggest that………………..

  • First time long time

    My Richie dig was a joke dude.

  • Tim

    We have the team to do it. Although do we have the brains to?

  • Missing Link

    It’s the random usernames that pop up after a Wallabies loss who’s sole intention is to create conflict. These are not genuine Wallabies fans.

    Same thing happened after Scotland in the world cup and England earlier this year, a bunch of random users started appearing making posts denigrating the Wallabies, Cheika and other users.

    GAGR has always been better than that and I hope it doesn’t get dragged into the gutter.

  • Missing Link

    Not necessarily talking about this issue but World Rugby should focus more on the “3 ations”

    Instigation
    Retaliation
    Simulation

    I feel that they are creeping into Rugby and would be a bilght on our game

  • Nutta

    Agree on the Mick Byrnes point.

    Re Loe, I am not saying “Right or wrong”. I’m just saying “Is”. All countries get selective memories about these things and no one is beyond reproach. Jeez I can remember a time we boo’d our own black fellas for taking a white mans spot so no one is pure!

  • Nutta

    Seriously mate, I think you missed the point. Have a nice day.

  • McWarren

    Jenny, I think the controversial win over Scotland papered over a lot of the existing problems, plus our reliance aging stars and picking people out of position was always going to come back and bite us eventually. At least with the youngsters in this team I can see development potential.

  • McWarren

    Jenny, I could argue that Foley and Phipps had good games on the weekend, possibly because they know they fighting for their jobs. All is not doom and gloom. Certainly frustrating with two steps forward and one step back each week.

  • Redfish

    I just think MC’s style is one that works well in the short term – ranting and raving revs people for a while … but in the next 2 years his style will deliver less and less results in comparison to the ABs. I’m envious and amazed at the culture and leadership of Steve Hanson (which was learned from Henry and improved). Australia needs to build a legacy like that

  • Willem Labuschagne

    It was worth a penalty against the ABs, true.

  • Redfish

    My hallucination is that it stems from:
    1. incredible depth which means the ABs are just better because they are around better players and they pull one another along.
    2. NZ went through pretty tough time losing close games to the Wallabies and then being tipped over at so many world cups – they had to face up and focus on fixing their mental strength — it seems to have worked!
    3. Can’t forget the depth right down to juniors of the coaches and the way they play their rugby. It is less PC than in Australia
    4. the strength of the coaching team, the culture they have developed, continuity of coaches and the way they identify the talent they want and then nurtured it. Look at Jodie Barrett coming in as an non-playing ‘apprentice’ to the AB’s tour …. not long ago that was Ardie Savea…. hmmm..

    as for culture … the Abs culture must be incredible inside that camp. Hansen, Smith, Foster … examples set by the coaches themselves. Selfish, premadonnas, below top form players are cut loose regardless of their ability … think of the great Abs dropped when they were still world class – Shelford, Kirwin, Cullen .. others I can’t quite think of.

    So many ways the AB setup has the wood on the rest of the world. Can’t see Australia matching this any time soon … one off victories will be all we can expect until a wholesale coaching change at the ABs. Only country that COULD catch them is … sadly, England.

  • Joy

    Sir Mumm for daring to go where where no referee has gone before

  • Redfish

    Let’s not turn into islamic radicals here complaining about cartoons … cartoons will always happen and always have before games as part of the buildup… the media’s job is to raise the emotion of the punters to create interest and sell more papers …on both sides of the Tasman. Some are in worst taste than others … Get over it! …. oh, and the cartoonist for the Herald was an Australian who had some loose connection to Cheika (something about a cousin and a girlfriend or something) … so just wondering if there was more in it than just the rugby game??!! ….

  • Redfish

    siege mentalities don’t work over the long-term. The ABs tried that under Mitchell and Hansen used to be like that too …. works short-term, but won’t create the winning mentality needed for walllabie long-term success

  • jamie

    Probably just humour. Perhaps if the kiwis had a sense of humour other than the classic ‘mock wallabies, send laughing tears emojis’ on Facebook you’d
    Understand it.

  • HK Red

    except that the ABs 50/50 calls were adjudicated correctly.

  • gladstonekinnoul

    We might do but things are still stacked against England but at least to a lesser degree than before. Yes, we have numbers (and cash)but there is still an element of club v country. As you mention NZ has everyone but everyone working for the good of the national.They are currently an extremely well run business with all parts/divisions working efficiently. I think Aus is creaking at the seams but you still have a generally positive outlook which I always thought was worth a few points when playing us !

  • Giel

    Oh right of course… and let me guess, the ones against your team were all wrong… correct?

    Sure buddy, whatever helps.

  • LoveThePoop

    Weren’t tahs 1 win away from the final in 2015… it’s very difficult to go back to back and 2016 they had a new coach

  • Paul

    lol…so true….talk about red rag to a bull….if the wallabies lose a few ahead of the England test the fleet street press will have a field day. I always remembered at school that when somebody tried to wind you up you don’t show any weakness. Shrug it off. Because if you don’t you’ll get it back ten-fold…

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