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Monday’s Rugby News

Monday’s Rugby News sees the hapless days come to an end in super rugby, Raelene Castle’s plans for Australian Rugby, changes to the All Blacks squad and the return of the Barbarians.

Written by Edward Stevens


The Day of Redemption

Jake Gordon is all smiles.

Jake Gordon is all smiles.

Well, after what felt like an eternity, or 722 days to be exact, we finally beaten a Kiwi super rugby side. On Saturday night, the Waratahs began the process of restoring hope in our Austrian super rugby franchises with a 41-12 victory over the Highlanders.

After going down to the Blues by 3 points in what was supposed to be the drought breaking game, and a heartbreaking 2 point loss to the Crusaders, the Tahs learned their lessons from their previous close encounters.

What was most impressive however was their ability to execute from a constant one man overlap after the Highlanders were reduced to 14 men for much of the game thanks to a Bruce-Lee like fly kick to the face from Tevita Nabura.

The Waratahs all star backline lit up Allianz Stadium, running in 6 tries between them.

This comes after Rod Kafer’s comments from almost a month ago, slamming Australian sides for our lack of ability to capitalize with a numerical advantage after the Brumbies lost to a Crusaders team which at one stage had 2 players in the bin.

As reported in the SMH, Kafer said at the time “You’ll find space just getting the ball in play, if you pull it into a set piece the space disappears. It’s a lack of understanding about the core fundamentals of how you win games of rugby”.

Oh Happy Days Rod!

The win for the NSW team came after a mixed bag of results for the other Australian super rugby sides.

A young Reds outfit took it to the Hurricanes in an entertaining fixture, but ultimately went down 38-34 in an open and attacking game. It was a lack of defensive pressure which let it slip away for the Queenslanders and Scott Higginbotham lamented their linespeed in particular.

“They’re a side that really thrive off defence sitting back, letting them play their shape, their width to width.” He said speaking to FOX SPORTS. “That’s what we talked about through the week, we wanted to get line speed and put pressure on them.”

It’s one thing knowing what’s coming but it’s another to do something about it.

The Brumbies couldn’t match it with the Lions after a positive start in everyone’s favourite bloke/player/mentor/idol/legend David Pocock’s return from injury. They went down 42-24 to the Lions at Ellis Park Stadium.

Master Plan

Raelene Castle and Cameron Clyne

Raelene Castle and Cameron Clyne

After over 100 days in the hotseat, Rugby Australia CEO Raelene Castle has begun to formulate a plan to reconstruct and redevelop our rugby identity in Australia.

Writing a piece in The Australian on Friday, Castle turned the spotlight up on expanding our junior talent pools as we continue to face a player drain to other codes (blah) and other rugby nations (even worse).

Castle said “Where we are targeting these new entrants is public schools, where our Get Into Rugby (formerly Game On) program has seen more than 70,000 kids experience rugby for the first time since the beginning of 2017, including no less than 5000 indigenous children.”

“Significantly, 68 per cent of these students have been from government schools, and 40 per cent are girls.”

And while Castle understands that it is still vitally important to make sure our high performance sides are competing for trophies, both in super rugby and internationally, it was refreshing to hear someone in an important position place some emphasis on the rugby that most of us are involved in.

Speaking on the relationship between schools and clubs, Castle said “”To support this, we are investing further in growing our development workforce to connect these school participants with clubs,”

“Rugby is facing aggressive competition in this area from other footy codes, so it is important that our product is appealing and the message to students about our game is a positive one.”

With her background in the sports which shall not be named, Castle knows all too well the cash which strong clubs can offer our young talent and making sure we hold onto and attract young players is critically important moving forward.

On this issue, Castle had this to say:

“We are reviewing our contracting system specifically to address this issue and will announce some changes in this area shortly, all designed to ensure our top-priority talent remain in our game after school and have opportunities to experience off-field development and on-field success.”

I must say, I’m impressed.

All Black Changes

All Blacks post match press conference - Steve Hansen and Kieran Read

All Blacks post match press conference – Steve Hansen and Kieran Read

A June test series against France is beckoning for the men in black and The Daily Telegraph has reported Steve Hansen’s 33 man squad, including 6 players yet to play Test rugby.

These players are: Shannon Frizell, Jordan Taufua, Te Toiroa Tahuriorangi, Jack Goodhue, Richie Mo’unga and Tim Perry (with the last 4 playing midweek matches on last European tour)

With usual captain Keiran Read still recovering from back surgery, Sam Whitelock will skipper the side with Ben Smith and Sam Cane to offer their help as vice captains.

Suprisingly there was no space for the ever reliable Matt Todd, damaging ball runner Akira Ioane or the leading try scorer for super rugby Ben Lam.

What’s even more odd is the make up of the squad, with just three specialist locks and two hookers as they look to build backrow depth (as if they don’t already have it).

On picking the side, Hansen said “It’s been a difficult team to select”

“Not because we don’t have a lot of talent. Because we have a lot of it in some areas.”

Frizell is a particularly interesting case, being the brother of Australian rugby league player Tyson Frizell (a former Australian rugby schoolboy by the way), having just started 3 games of super rugby and in his first year of super rugby.

Apparently he’s caught the eye with his physicality and athletisicm.

The first game of the series kicks off on the 9th of June at Eden Park.

The Baa-Baa’s are Back

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In the lead up to England’s upcoming series against South Africa, the Barbarians will play the motherland next Sunday at Twickenham, The Telegraph reports.

So far, a total of 17 names have been officially confirmed by the Barbarians, with All Black Charles Piutau, our very own hooker Tatafu Polota-Nau (officially ruling him out of playing against Ireland in June) and Wales openside flanker Justin Tipuric joining team captain Bundee Aki.

What’s interesting is that Chris Ashton, who has been in red hot form this year for Toulon in the Top 14, setting a new try scoring record in his first season since his controversial move from Saracens, has been given the green light to go up against his old mates.

On Friday night, Toulon drew 19-19 with Lyon at Stade Mayol but were knocked out after extra-time due to their singular try to the visitors’ two.

Given Toulon have no further fixtures for the rest of the season, flamboyant (crazy) club president Mourad Boudjellal has given his  A-OK for the 31 year-old wing to play with Pat Lam’s Barbarians squad ahead of their match up against England this Sunday.

The 17 player squad named so far is listed below: Backs: Niyi Adeolokun (Connacht & Ireland), Bundee Aki (Connacht & Ireland), Greig Laidlaw (Clermont & Scotland), Luke McAlister (Toulon & New Zealand), AJ McGinty (Sale Sharks & USA), Charles Piutau (Ulster & New Zealand), Rhodri Williams (Dragons & Wales)

Forwards: John Afoa (Gloucester & New Zealand), Ultan Dillane (Connacht & Ireland), Ramiro Herrera (Stade Francais & Argentina), Benjamin Kayser (Clermont & France), Tatafu Polota-Nau (Leicester & Australia), Sateki Timani (Clermont & Australia), Justin Tipuric (Ospreys & Wales), Loni Uhila (Clermont), Flip van der Merwe (Clermont & South Africa), Victor Vito (La Rochelle & New Zealand)

  • Missing Link

    Morning folks. waking up to a week where we finally had success against a kiwi side is a great feeling. The only way is up! let’s see some more this season.

    Disappointing to see a few comments from the west claiming that this means nothing, still death riding the comp and our teams, still bagging out crowd numbers based on still images.Yawn

    • Hitcho

      Can’t blame the West mate. I reckon they’re well within their rights and frankly on the money. Realistically while the Tahs win is not nothing it doesn’t mean a lot. Lets face it yes there was a faint spark of life on the weekend from the Aussie franchises but one win by an Aussie team against the kiwis doesn’t turn anything around. The win was against a team with 14 men for 60 and 13 for 10 and must be kept in perspective. Crowd numbers are shit, really really shit. Basic skills have improved only slightly and as BL said in his comment above I still don’t see any open and transparent plan from RA. I don’t think it’s time to crack the champagne yet.

      • Missing Link

        Fair enough, the only thing I disagree with is 14 men. From the Tahs perspective, they were simply focused on winning and the red card was out of their hands. Thank the Highlanders for that “free kick”

        • Hitcho

          Yep absolutely and what a shot of shit to the brain that was. He should have been shown the red every day of the week. But purely looking at parity we can’t say we’ve turned the corner against the kiwis yet. What we can say is we’ve improved our game management in adapting to situations throughout the game for the most benefit. Still glad for the win though.

      • Funk

        Last week all we heard was that even if the Crusaders had gone down to 14 men that doesn’t mean that the tahs would have won…now this week it’s “The win was against a team with 14 men for 60 and 13 for 10 and must be kept in perspective.”????
        A win is a win, all you can do is beat the team in font of you, which is exactly what they did.

        • Hitcho

          Yep Funk that’s exactly right. They did beat the team in front of them which shows lessons are being learnt regarding game management. This is pleasing. My point is that yes an Aussie team has beaten a Kiwi team but given the specifics of the game can we really say we are up there with them yet? One win against a depleted team albeit by their own hand does not equal a turnaround. It does however equal a bloody good start.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Mate the reason for that is the Crusaders aren’t the Highlanders. I think the Crusaders would beat the Highlanders with 14 men as well.

    • Julie

      Really. I’m a force fan and have seen very few negative comments from us! A fair few from general rugby fans but just us no!! We have our own team to think about so good on the tahs but one win does completely erase 41 losses I think. A lot more work to do.

      • Missing Link

        It’s unfortunately the actions of a few who are still not focusing on the positives of world series rugby. The same ones who are dreaming of the day that the ARU go up to Twiggy, hat in hand, asking for a bail out.

  • Brisneyland Local

    Morning GAGR’s! Hope you all had a great weekend, especially with some of the positive news out there. Sitting here in my office sipping my “Get shit done liquid” looking at the sun shining, even though it is a Monday the world feels slightly better. BL’s points in no particular order:
    – I didnt have to sit through the Royal Wedding! Hoorah!
    – The Waratahs beat a Kiwi team. Mind you if they had lost it would have been devastating. Having a player Red carded and out for 60 mins certainly helps. then losing another one is just icing on the cake.
    – May be all Kiwi teams should be reduced to 14 players?
    – Unlike Nick W, I dont share the same optimism about Ralene’s article. Having read the thing three times now, I stil dont get the feeling that there is actually a plan. There is a lot of issues raised, there is a lot of we are working on this, there is a lot of I have instructed my people to blah blah blah. But I dit see an actual strategy outlined. It has also not been briefed to the clubs, and the rugby public. Maybe I am a little old fashioned, but a leader says “I have got the ball, we are going this way and get in behind me and push you bastards!” They share their vision, they unite the team, they motivate the team, they help the team! Yes I know it has only been 100 odd days, but time is working solidly against us.
    – Am really interested to see how the AB’s shape up with the number of injuries that they are carrying. They are still going to be deadly, and a majority of those players will be back in time for the Rugby Championships, but still some interesting selections challenges.
    – I will never listen to another dribble session by Rod Kafer again!
    Over to you GAGR’s!

    • Fed

      Rod Kafer – dribbbbbbleeeerrrrr

    • disqus_NMXfOrw5ot

      Always love your writing BL, it’s like a daily news article in itself!

      I was liking the sound of Raylene’s words, but you’ve pulled me back into reality, so I’ll wait and see if anything good actually develops before getting too excited.

      I do know that my son hasn’t ever come home from school talking about getting into rugby (he’s in a Gold Coast public primary school).

      He’s well ingrained in the AFL system btw, even though both me and his mum are from a rugby background. I’ve been in the weird position of looking up youtube videos on AFL coaching techniques to help drill him in basic skills. I confess I find the game quite fun now.

      One other comment – I did put him in under 6’s rugby a few years ago, but it was woefully boring, and he was simultaneously playing AFL and ended up preferring it. I don’t know how you’d make the game more interesting at that level either. It was basically, one team would kick off. The other team would pick it up and the kid would run until tackled. The tackling team would have to let him go, and he would pick a team mate to pass it to (making it pretty much a popularity contest (so the coach would designate the first kid to pick up the ball to make sure everyone got a turn)), and that kid would then run it, and so on until they scored. Then the other team would do the same, and so on. The coach tried to encourage passing along the line, but they were too young and would never do so. Boring as bat shit. The other parents were largely uninterested in making either me or my son feel overly welcome, which is quite a contrast to AFL, so that didn’t help much either.

      • Brisneyland Local

        Yeah I hear you. My daughters played Rookies to Reds. Which “WAS” a great program. I have photos of Quade and Willy G teaching my daughters to pass. My nephew was in the Reds squad at the time and it was just great. They loved it. But their interest in the game waned.
        Every we time we went to Suncorp as Red’s members, the whole drive home my girls would be going:
        “Gee dad we (the Reds) suck!” I had no response for that! Because I agreed. And as kids their attention span could be measured in nano-seconds. So after multiple seasons of getting whooped every game, they no longer wanted to go. Also the moment that Willy G, QC, and our nephew were gone, they no longer had anyone they knew to look up to!
        Really dissapointing.

        • disqus_NMXfOrw5ot

          One good thing is my son will happily jump on board with going to any sporting event at all, and loves to get face painted up and cheer and carry on like the extroverted crazy little charmer he is. So we will be at the Ireland test in Bris with a crew of mates and their kids. Win or lose, it is going to be a great night.

          No plans of going to a Reds match again until they get their shit together with winning, entertaining rugby though. Like you say, QC is a major draw card, full of entertaining skills, and with the current boring back line play there’s not much point. My gut feeling at this point is that BT50 is going to get it together with turning the team into a consistently winning, but boring team. And if that happens, I don’t think we will see QC back. Tragic.

    • Happyman

      BL My thoughts
      – The Tahs played well and were well in front before the Kiwi’s went to 14.
      – Nice to see the NZ media blow up when the Saders player got away with an off the ball incident against the Blues and not get a card. Ahh my NZ brethren don’t forget you have to respect the decision Bro and move on.
      – The Reds were good but a more composed team would have won that game (indeed a more composed team did) It still did not stop me wishing some terrible torture on O’keefe when he said ball is out of the scrum and then penalising the Reds player for picking the ball up and running with it.
      – Rory Arnolds Red completely justified and three weeks is fair. It will be interesting to see how the rest of the weekends reds and other foul play goes. I expect the highlanders winger will get 6 to 8 as he is not selected by the AB’s and the AB prop to get one or two (He is such a nice bloke it is totally out of character BLAH BLAH BLAH).
      – Jags are the real deal.
      – Rod Kafer is a smart guy but ultimately he is on the inside. I would love kick and chase to get someone who is respected and on the outside to discuss. I can think of a few.

      Also ADLI was not a crusade against the hordes.

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Haven’t seen any of the games yet, but agree about Raelene’s no plan. There is nothing in any of her statements that indicates a way forward or a “We’re going to do this” . I personally think it’s just hot aitr and until I see an actual plan to move forward that has resources and a direction then I think It’s a big fat nothing.
      You know I wonder about Kafer and his ability to do this coaching mentoring job with the shit he dribbles on tv.

      I like the look of the AB Squad. It has obviously got a 2019 look about it and I think they’ll take a loss or two this year if they see a pay off in the RWC. I’m ok with that andto be honest the bisggest issue I’d have with losing the Bledisloe is that it would pump you guys up too much.

      • Brisneyland Local

        Agree! On Ralene’s ideas. They are just that. Until human beings (resources) and dollars ($$$) have been attached to it, it is just a thought bubble!
        Kafer is now fully conlicted, but with out the ability to do anything about solving the problems.
        THe AB’s squad looks good. Hansen has some interesting choices coming up. But would rather be in his position than ours! We wont win the Bled. You guys may lose a game to the Frog’s, but that is only because you never know which French team is going to turn up. If they play with the Gallic passion, they will beat anyone! As you guys have been the victims of!

  • McWarren

    Well done Tahs. Well done Bernard and Tom. As I’m sure Robertson, Kepu, Simmons, Hooper, Phipps, Gordon, Foley, Beale, Folau, Hannigan, Dempsey, Fitzpatrick, Latu and probably Wells will all be close to Cheika’s starting squad I’m delighted they are hitting form.

    For me it was the composure of the Tahs defence and confidence in Attack that won the game. Credit where it is due, Gibson and Cron have to take a bow.

    Individually I was delighted to see Foley play so well. If we take the kicking off him somehow then he can just concentrate on his running game and game management. Tom Robbo also stepped up, although I think his steeping up meant he brought himself up to level that allowed him to cope rather than excel. The more and more I see of Wells and Holloway the more I want them in the Wallabies. I see either of them as potential long term Wallaby 8’s.

    Now if the Reds can beat the kilts this weekend by 1 point more than the Tarts did it will be conclusive proof that the Reds are indeed better than the Tarts!! On that I leave you.

    • Ed

      McW,
      Your Reds have accumulated more points in inter-conference games than the Tarts so far this year. Reds played 6 – 14 points. Tarts played 7 – 13 points. The Reds have the highest inter-conference points from sides in the Oz group. In this standing the Reds rank ninth in the comp.

      • McWarren

        So one spot out of finals contention!

        • Ed

          Yeah, ;)
          Below are the standings if you just have inter-conference matches. Eight is the maximum number of inter-conference games that can be played.

          Played Pts
          Crusaders 8 37
          Hurricanes 7 28
          Sharks 8 22
          Chiefs 6 20
          Jaguares 8 20
          Highlanders 6 18
          Lions 8 17
          Stormers 8 15
          Reds 6 14
          Blues 6 13
          Waratahs 7 13
          Bulls 6 11
          Rebels 6 6
          Brumbies 5 5
          Sunwolves 7 5

    • jay-c

      While I have no doubt Fitzpatrick and wells try their little hearts out, at 104kgs I understand they do not make they weigh in for test rugby.

      • Braveheart81

        In all the comments about hookers I haven’t heard Cheika mention Fitzpatrick once. I think he will definitely be sceptical about his lack of size. Fitzpatrick is the most consistent lineout thrower of all the options though.

        I don’t think Wells will be in the squad. He has put together a really good season though.

        • jay-c

          Cheika no, you are quite correct.
          But the Sydney media has mentioned him on multiple occasions.
          Wells has had a good season no doubt, I just hope the powers that be take into account exhibit Lam when concluding if a good season is sufficient for test selection.
          They are both too small for me.

        • Huck

          Fitzpatrick’s work rate is ridiculously good too. The other week he made a game high of 18 tackles.

        • idiot savant

          Wells is my kind of player. Hardworking and smart. Every side needs a workhorse. Id have him.

        • Xaviera

          I’ve heard Cheik mention Fitz but I fear, like some others, that he won’t pick Fitz. Nor will he pick Wells, which is a pity, as I’m a fan of both, as I’ve noted in my match Previews. They’re both more Cron types than Cheik types. Cheik likes ‘em big and bold, whereas Cron likes ‘em to do the work and do it consistently. They may make a larger squad, and then be culled, and then recalled later due to injury. Surrounded by the rest of the Wallaby pack, they’d be fine, and we may see a bit more of the work done that sometimes gets missed – it will be crucial against the Irish.

      • Adrian

        Fitzpatrick is very experienced from his time in France. I reckon he’ll be in the mix somewhere, as the other hookers are all raw, including Uelese who is under an injury cloud…and perhaps a form cloud.
        I’d like Latu as main rake though

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          Uelese, Paenga-Amosa, Rangi are the best three in my opinion of Tataf isn’t coming back for the June series.

          I’d prefer a guy like Latu to Fitzpatrick but fat chance.

        • Braveheart81

          Rangi’s lineout throwing is pretty awful. I think BPA and Uelese are the clear frontrunners. Uelese needs to get healthy though. He has played a worrying small amount of rugby lately if he is going to start in June.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          Yeah, it is pretty bad. Neither Paengs-Amosa’s or Uelese’s are fantastic either (but better than Rangi).

          I do like the thought of bringing the entire Reds front row off the bench as a collective.

          Uelese needs to get healthy, yep.

        • Braveheart81

          The entire Reds front row on the bench is pretty enticing. I think Uelese and BPA are the two obvious hookers. I personally would give the third spot to Fitzpatrick above Rangi and Fainga’a because of the quality of his lineout work. It is a different option to the first two.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          If Faingaa gets into the squad then it’s a joke. Despite having four line out jumpers to pick from (Carter, Arnold, Cusack and Naisarani) he cannot hit anyone.

        • jay-c

          For me experience doesn’t come into it if he’s too small to make an impact around the field in the tests.
          Our scrum will collapse too
          I’d agree with latu

        • Huck

          I’d argue that Fitzpatrick has much more of an impact around the park than Latu

        • idiot savant

          Yeah hookers a tough one. I suspect it is one position where training form might decide. Cheika is loyal and favours incumbency so its possible he is thinking Sio, Ulysees, Kepu start with Robertson, Fitzpatrick/Latu and Tupou on the bench. BPA or Rangi will need to kick some arse at training to usurp them. Slipper might have to do his time again and AAA has done nothing wrong. Id be surprised if they aren’t all selected.

        • Adrian

          Probably right idiot

        • Adrian

          Hmm…this is a bit early, but..
          1. Sio
          2. Uelese (if fit)
          3. Kepu
          4. Coleman
          5. Rodda
          6. Pocock
          7. Hooper
          8. Timu (if fit)
          9. Genia (if fit)
          10. Foley
          11. Hodge
          12. Beale
          13. Rona
          14. Korebette
          15. Folau

          16. Latu
          17. Robertson
          18. Tuopo
          19. Tui (if fit)
          20. Timani
          21. Phipps
          22. Kerevi
          23. Naivalu

          24. Alaalatoa
          25. Fitzpatrick
          26. Slipper (if fit)
          27. Simmons
          28. Philip
          29. Wells
          30. Wright
          31. Naisarani (“development player”.eligible 2019)
          32. Gordon
          33. Stewart
          34. Speight
          35. Duncan P
          36. Kurandrani
          37. Banks
          38. DHP (if fit)
          If available I’d have players going OS including Naiyaravoro (in the 23), and maybe Lance instead of Stewart in the B (pretend Ireland) team. I’d have Daugunu in as a development player instead of Speight if he’ll be eligible next year.

        • idiot savant

          Interesting thoughts Adrian. There is little camp time this year so I doubt some of the suspect fitness guys will have enough time to make it. I think Cheika might start his first practice session with this as his A side – Sio, Ulysees, Kepu, Coleman, Simmons, Hanigan, Hooper , Pocock, Genia, Foley, Hodge, Beale, TK, Rona, Folau.

        • Adrian

          I reckon that is very, very close to what he’ll actually pick, if not exactly what he’ll pick idiot

    • Missing Link

      That’s the only bad thing about the win, it may justify some of Cheika’s poor selections. Out of the names you listed only Kepu, Hooper, Foley, Beale, and Folau are worthy of being around the Wallaby squad on form.

      • Braveheart81

        I think Rona is a really strong chance to play 13. His form has been really good. He’ll definitely be in the squad. Phipps and possibly Gordon will be in the squad. Phipps is the best chance of being the backup for Genia. His speed off the bench and experience is a bonus.

        • Hoss

          Rona has been outstanding all year an the form Oz 13 by some way.

        • Adrian

          Somehow I think Wallaby 13 is between Kerevi and Rona, notwithstanding Kerevi’s hot and cold defence. Kerevi will be in the mix certainly, but maybe a super sub

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          Problem is that you can’t play Kerevi outside of Beale. Outside of Toomua or Hodge yeah, not Beale.

          At the moment I predict 12 will be Beale and 13 will either be Rona (on form) or Kuridrani (given that he has been the defensive rock for years, and he’s the 13 who when on form can somewhat ameliorate Beale’s crap defence.

          I reckon English deserves to have his name spoken about too. He and Rona are the form 13s.

        • Hoss

          Its a tough one there. I would start Rona, but i also see his value on the pine covering from 15,14,13 & 11.

          Whilst perhaps not as dangerous as special K in attack, he links better, supports better and feeds his wingers better.

          Blasphemous on this site but i reckon the Tah’s will fill most the outside backs positions
          10/11/12/13 (TBA) 14 & 15

          I am a big fan of Koribete and Seva, but they are just not getting fed enough quality pill from Debra & Hodge.

          Hodge Kerevi and Rona are all fighting a starting spot / pine. Hodges boot was once an advantage, but his been average in 2018 and his one-on-one D is poor.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          Outside backs should be Folau + Hodge + one of Koroibete, Naivalu, Banks, Maddocks and Perese.

          I would go for Hodge, Folau and either Banks or Maddocks. That way you have three guys who can kick, who are strong under the high ball and who are fast, but also know how to get involved and have multiple touches. Naivalu and Koroibete are more dangerous with ball in hand but cannot kick, no idea how to get involved and positional play is blegh. Tahs’ outside backs look better on account of having a better attacking 9-13.

          Daugunu is not eligible and it could be Naiyaravoro but he has signed overseas.

        • idiot savant

          For the first time in a long time I would say that suggestion is not blasphemous. The Tahs backline have really troubled every opponent including the best kiwi sides. They deserve to be at the front of the queue and form combinations are a handy thing. Cam Clark is the only bolter, and perhaps his lack of experience means he will make the squad but not the 23. But the rest of the backline must be a big show. Maybe Hodge (or DHP if he is fit) takes Cam’s wing and Genia takes Gordon’s spot. Phipps, Kerevi and Sefa/Koro can warm the bench. And Im starting to feel more positive about the Irish series with the Tahs backline at the back of a more physical pack.

        • McWarren

          He does get off the bench quickly.

      • lu99ke

        Hear me now, believe me later.

        9 – Genia ( Gordon bench )
        10 – Foley
        11 – Folau
        12 – Kerevi
        13 – Rona / Hodge
        14 – DHP
        15 – Beale

        Not saying it’s right… Just saying what it will be..

    • Brisneyland Local

      Mc W, agree whole heartedly. As you know I am not the biggest Foley fan, but he distribution and running play was pretty good this weekend. But like you mention his tactical kicking is shite. Not finding touch twice is a crdinal sin. Proved to be ok because they won. But do that with a Kiwi team that has 15 players on deck and you will get bunted! Robertson did ok at best, but still there are so many stronger props out there, he shouldnt be in contention.

      • Braveheart81

        I think Robertson is third in line at LHP again after Sio and Slipper. The 5 squad props will be Sio, Slipper, Kepu, Tupou and Ala’alatoa so I don’t think Robertson makes the squad. I don’t think any of the Rebels props are performing well enough to crack the squad.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Yep, that list of yours looks pretty much about right.

        • Adrian

          With Slipper having some injury issues, Robertson could get in, but I agree with your pecking order Braveheart

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          Alalatoa will be ahead of Robertson as a LHP.

          Small bloke who sucks at scrummaing and who has no impact at even SR level around the park (although a high work rate) is not what we want at international level.

          If JP Smith is qualified he would be ahead also.

        • Adrian

          I think JP is qualified, and I see him as a bolter

        • Braveheart81

          I think the only way Robertson makes the squad is if Slipper is injured. I don’t think JP Smith is qualified. I think he becomes qualified in 2020 per something Christy Doran said a week or two ago.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          Slipper is scrummaging better but seems to be made of glass now.

          Prop depth is certainly looking much better than it was last year. Tupou has been a revelation, and the fact that he won’t be starting is pretty incredible give how good his form has be. We really do have two very good tightheads.

        • Braveheart81

          I think we have three very good THP. Whoever misses the 23 out of Kepu, AAA and Tupou will be the best player to miss out on the 23 across the whole team in my opinion. I agree that if Slipper is injured it will be tempting to play AAA as the reserve LHP.

        • Bobas

          after quade of course

        • Adrian

          I’d definitely do that with AAA.

          The reason it could happen is that we have a new forwards coach, who MIGHT be slightly less wedded to set in stone prop specialities.

          Having said that, I think that Ledesma was right on most things, including the move away (in Australia) from “all-rounder” props,..and thank God for that.

          New forwards coach may not know that AAA used to be a top LHP until he was converted.

        • Huw Tindall

          Add in the Smith brothers at the Reds along with Robertson and there is a bit of depth in the props in Aus rugby.

    • Andy

      Agree on Wells. He has improved out of sight and clearly gives 110% every game. Not sure I see the same in Holloway though. His defence looks pretty average

  • Archie

    It kills me to see players like Ben Lam, Akira Ioane and Matt Todd not good enough to make the ABs squad.

    But I guess what do ya do?! Can’t pick everyone. We just have to trust Hansen… with his record why wouldn’t we

    • onlinesideline

      Ben Lam exclusion is incredible.

      • John Tynan

        Obviously I have no insight to AB selections, but I can easily see a scenario where the couple of young mistakes (loose carries, the one handed knocked on try…) on the weekend probably sealed a hiatus for this series at least, presumably with some feedback around it. Good to have the depth to set such high standards.

        • Tomthusiasm

          He’s in better form than Naholo currently, I reckon he’d be an injury or two away from a call up. Milner-Skudder will probably last 16 minutes in the first test.

        • John Tynan

          Don’t disagree. They just have the opposite of us, where we rush a bloke in too early, they can wait that bit longer while he fixes a couple of work ons.

        • Tomthusiasm

          Yeah, some are held back too long in some cases. I like that the Wallabies can/are willing to take a gamble on someone though.

        • Mica

          It’s amazing what you do when you’re desperate…… :)

      • Hoss

        I would investigate if he is eligible for Australian Selection ?

        – does he have an Aussie grandparent ?
        – has he ever overstayed a 457 visa
        – has he ever watched Neighbours
        – Fuck it – has he ever eaten a lamington ???????

        Yes to any of the above and hes in.

        • disqus_NMXfOrw5ot

          - Does he know who invented the pavlova.
          – Is he willing to give up sheep

        • Hoss

          At least stop leaving love bites on ugg boots.

        • Bakkies

          Nope. Played for NZ 7s

      • Missing Link

        hasn’t scored enough tries this year :)

  • onlinesideline

    If we dont seriously get out shit together across the board in 2018 re selections in right positions, game management, composue, x factor and smarts we are going to have a butt ugly season because the saffas and argies are going to be a serious improvement on last year. Especially the Argies. Ledemsa KNOWS.

    • Brisneyland Local

      Yep. Look at those Jaguares!

  • Adrian

    Notwithstanding Brumbies fade after the cards, Australian teams went well or very well.

    There is only one more round to impress, as team will be announced on May 30, and yet all 4 Oz SR teams are playing June2/3 before the break.

    Usually Cheika has started with 45, but I think this time it will be either 33 or 38, as 45 is too many to manage in what is really only one week of training before the first Test.

    If he goes for 38, it will be composed of the run-on 15 + 8 subs + 15 guys who will effectively be pretending to be Ireland in opposed training. He won’t call it this way, but it’s likely.

    If only 33, then it is game day 23 + 10 guys with Irish-like styles.

    For the above reasons there will be a 5/8 in there who will be asked to pretend he’s Sexton, but isn’t necessarily Foley’s heir apparent.

    • Who?

      Completely agree Adrian. Who do you think the Sexton player will be? I can’t see anyone that would be eligible for the Wallabies who could play that role… Not anywhere near the level Sexton does, anyway.

      • Adrian

        I think the player selected to pretend to be Sexton just has to be a good footballer who will follow instructions at training. Has to be able to kick.

        If Cheika picks guys who have signed to go OS it could be Lance. If he doesn’t, it could be Stewart.

        Last year said he wasn’t picking players who had signed to go OS, and Fardy and Skeleton weren’t selected. However, when he got frustrated with our defence during June Tests he selected Horne, …so who knows?

        I am interested though, because, apart from Lance, others who have signed include Naiyaravoro. I reckon he just might select these players, as he’ll be less complacent this year.

        PS CLL has apparently ruled himself out for June Tests,… otherwise he would be an ok Sexton “look alike”

        • Who?

          I thought Stewart’s the one probably closest, or perhaps Maddocks. Debreczeni’s got a great kicking game, but he doesn’t have anywhere near Sexton’s vision or game management. I don’t see him getting called in, especially not when Bernie’s talked up Maddocks as a prospective 10 from 15 (just as he was).
          Stewart’s arguably a bit too stodgy at this point, and Maddocks is too green. Sexton’s varied – he loves his loops, he throws a great long ball, and has a varied and accurate kicking game. I think he’s the best 10 in the game over the past five years (and two Lions tours back that up, along with national and provincial success). I get that training drills are training drills, they’re not live, but you want someone as close as possible in style who might spot defensive chinks that Sexton will find.
          Oh, and I don’t see CLL as a Sexton-alike, or necessarily as a 10… I see him as being like Giteau – he’s a very rounded, complete player, but he’s not a 10. He’s better at 12, as a ball running second playmaker, similar to Giteau, or Horan.

        • Adrian

          You might be right re Maddocks.

          I do think though, that an intelligent all-round footballer can do this for training drills… which is why I thought Lance,… but yes,.. Maddocks is allegedly like that too

    • Braveheart81

      I think he’ll pick around 34 like he did for the June series last year. With such a short prep for the first test there isn’t really room to have extra players at training that aren’t required.

      It will be interesting to see whether injured and suspended players that will be available during the series (Hanigan and Arnold) will be named in the initial squad.

    • Greg

      is this were he calls in QC?

    • Brisneyland Local

      Adrian, I think you are right. I reckon it will be 38, so he can do decent opposed training. Agree on the 5/8, but have no idea who it will be. The front three and their bench covers are pretty easy to pick. After that it gets pretty hazy! Well we know what cheika will pick, but for the rest of it on merit, it gets hazy!

  • Kiwi rugby lover

    What a weekend to not be around. I went camping in an area with no phone coverage at all and to top it off my recording of the games failed so I missed out on everything.

    Well done on the win for the Waratahs seeing as it wasn’t my Hurricanes I’m happier than I would be if it was the Canes they beat. From what I have seen it looked like they just wanted it more and finally played to their potential. The only thing I would say, is don’t get too carried away there are some hard games coming and while this was a great result it’s by no means the end of the story, just the beginning.

    • Adrian

      Exactly KRL
      All of next week’s games lose-able. I’m already nervous about Tahs v Chiefs

      • Brisneyland Local

        Mate, always the optimist. I am nervous every round. even when an Aussie team is playing another Aussie team. Scared they are going to draw and totally fark things up!

      • Hoss

        Dont be mate, Chiefs long haul back from Saffaville and being man-handled by the Dutch Dirt Farmers.

        This one is theirs for the taking and the Tah’s will have a spring in their step.

        Nothing succeeds like success.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Hoss, you seem to have eaten from the same fruit as Adrian with the positivity in this reply. Go you and good luck.

        • Hoss

          Welcome back to civilisation mate. I recently spent time in the wilderness with no running water, shit mobile coverage, nothing to do and wildlife that was terrifying – fuck Adelaide’s a shit-hole.

          If i didn’t know better i would say i sense fear in your words. Fear the downtrodden are rising, fear the gap is closing, fear that your lot are a little vulnerable, fear that your lot may be taken down a peg……….

          Yep, its only one win, but one win we didnt have last week………….(cue spooky music) be afraid KRL, be VERY afraid……………

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Nah mate no fear. I’ll back the AB’s to stay on top, not just because the individual players are better but the think tank in NZ has got over this business that the Head Coach is always right and we can bring in new ideas so much easier.

        • Hoss

          Yes mate, but you overlook one indefatigable truth.

          Even an ugly dog can, occasionally lick its own balls.

          And i can feel a thorough cleansing about to occur.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Well you get your team to lick their own balls mate, mine will concentrate on play8ng and winning. 3 in a row mate 3 in a row

        • onlinesideline

          lol

        • onlinesideline

          yeah KRL – and we may even beat a 15 man kiwi side one day too !
          Can you imagine ?

        • Huw Tindall

          Life as a pessimist must really suck. Always seeing the worst. Back to shakespeare paraphrasing…better to have loved and lost than never loved at all. Carn the Tahs!

      • Archie

        Chiefs had TWENTY players missing against the Sharks. Not sure what their lineup looks like for the Tahs

    • Mica

      The games are on Foxtel Go in the anytime section.

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        Yeah I’m going to record this and the Reds game at least and watch them later, Damn work getting in the way of rugby again

        • Brisneyland Local

          My sentiments exactly!

  • Tomthusiasm

    I hope so, I’m almost resigned to him succumbing to cruel luck though!

  • Greg

    @kiwirugbylover:disqus What are your thoughts about the knock down yellow card/no yellow card in the Waratahs game?

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      I haven’t seen it yet mate. It’s a funny one and it seems to be interpreted differently at times. My view is that if the ball is knocked up and it “Looks” as though there is a chance it could be caught then it’s fair play. If however there is clearly no way a player would ever get to the ball, and this includes the “throw the arm out in vain hope” approach, then it’s also clearly a penalty. Yellow card for me depends on the situation. Team hard on attack and a pass that went to hand looked like a try in the making then YC no issue. General play where it would have just kept going then usually just a penalty

      • Greg

        I will be interested in your thoughts if you see the replay.

        Here is the text from the match report

        “At the 61st minute, the Reds had made a break up the sideline, they had a
        2 on 1 overlap when the last pass was knocked down by Canes defender
        Peter Umaga-Jensen. Admittedly they were still over 50m out but with a
        full back to beat and 2 on 1, the Reds were in a good position. That’s
        the way referee Ben O’Keefe saw it to as he immediately blew the penalty
        and put his hand in his pocket for the yellow card. What happened next
        was, quite simply ridiculous. TJ Peranara began screaming at O’Keefe to
        look at the replay. O’Keefe was trying to talk to his Assistant and
        both had concurred that is was a deliberate knock down but TJ was
        relentless, his shrill screech not letting up until O’Keefe eventually
        caved and decided to look at a replay.”.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Peranara needs to STFU at times, I think he’ll be pulled in a bit more by the management team in the AB’s than he is at the Canes.

        • Greg

          Gosh – I started a discussion…. I was more thinking about the player yelling at the ref.

        • Tomthusiasm

          The right decision was made in the end. It’s a dumb rule, Umaga-Jensen was genuinely trying to catch the ball and the other bloke also had the right to tackle him the minute he touched it. Too many yellow cards are given out for this sort of nonsense. I can understand if a player intentionally slaps the ball down they have to have a sit down, but what appear to be genuine attempts shouldn’t be punished.

        • Richard Patterson

          You fail to mention that Peranara’s complaint centred around the fact that in attempting to recover the deflected ball Umaga-Jensen was restrained by Reds winger Filipo Daugunu. Video footage showed Daugunu’s arm draped over Usage-Jensen, preventing him from completing a clean recovery of the ball prior to it touching the ground. Peranara felt Daugunu’s act warranted an obstruction call as it was clear Umaga-Jensen did not have the ball. Upon reviewing the video footage the officials concluded there were faults on both sides. O’Keeffe reversed his original decision of a Reds penalty and awarded the Reds a scrum for a knock-on by Umaga-Jensen. Peranara was warranted in requesting a review of the act. The end result proved it. End.

        • Huw Tindall

          The part missing here is the necessary assumption that without the holding back the Canes player had a realistic chance of regathering the ball. If not then it’s a penalty to Qld regardless and any holding back would just stop play going on as if it was under the advantage rule.

        • Richard Patterson

          That is a correct assumption Huw. After reviewing the incident, it appears the assumption the officials made was that Umaga-Jensen would have re-gathered the ball if he had not been held back by Daugunu.

        • Huw Tindall

          Certainly possible but maybe not probable. That asside I thought that if a player was attempting to catch the ball you could tackle him. Basically has possession for 0.1 of a second so is fair game. See heaps of perfectly timed hits where the player just touches the ball, gets hit and the ball is knocked loose. Why is this different?

        • Richard Patterson

          But Umaga-Jensen was never in possession of the ball Huw. He deflected it up and attempted to recover it before it touched the ground. How can a player legally tackle a player not in possession of the ball? Isn’t that labelled an early tackle or infringement of a player going for the ball?

        • Who?

          Think Richard’s right on this one. It’s an odd point of law, but it’s there. That attempting to gain possession and playing the ball are two different things. That you can hack at the ball with your feet or tap it with your hands (the unwritten assumption being that you won’t actually knock it on, as in bump it forward and allow the ball to hit the ground) without being in possession.
          If you’re in touch (i.e. your feet are in touch), provided the ball doesn’t cross the plane of touch, you can kick or touch the ball whilst officially in touch and keep the ball in the field of play, provided you don’t hold it (Law 18.2.c).
          In fact, you can even score a try whilst in touch provided you’re only grounding it – that you’re not in possession, just forcing the ball. It’s clearly illustrated in the updated World Rugby Laws app, referencing Law 8.2.e.
          So, I believe it’s a quirk in the laws, but it’s definitely there. That playing at the ball doesn’t guarantee possession, even if we do, as you often say, see players smashed as they receive the ball, knocking it on in the act of attempting to gather it in. The difference there being intent – they’re attempting to hold the ball, whereas Umaga-Jensen wasn’t (yet – he was attempting to regather, but hadn’t attempted to take possession). It’s not ideal to ask referees to judge intent, but I don’t think this is too difficult an area to judge that intent (not compared to high tackles, tip tackles, etc).

        • mikado

          Umaga-Jensen must have been attempting to take possession – otherwise it’s a deliberate knock-on and penalty (laws 11.3 and 11.4). So it’s legitimate for another player to attempt to tackle him.

        • Who?

          The wording is clear that any deliberate knock forward is a penalty, but it’s generally considered that the ball hasn’t been knocked on until such time as the ball hits the ground or contacts another player. So it’s not a knock on until after contact from Daugunu.
          11.4 says you’ve got to be attempting to catch, but attempting to catch a ball you’ve attempted to knock up in order to regather is secondary – it’s the taking of possession part of the equation, the attempting to hold the ball part.
          I can certainly see what you’re arguing, my point wasn’t that it’s definitely one way or the other, more that it’s a quirk in law that touching or even playing the ball doesn’t guarantee possession, and that means the ref’s required to make a judgment call in the situation, which isn’t necessarily an easy call. So, given what’s happened, a scrum isn’t the worst outcome. The Reds can feel grumpy they didn’t get the penalty, the Canes can feel grumpy the player was restrained without the ball, but the important thing is that the right team got the ball back (i.e. Canes offended first, the Reds got the ball back).

        • Richard Patterson

          Wasn’t Umaga-Jensen attempting to re-claim the ball after deflecting it in the air? If he had successfully re-claimed the ball prior to it touching the ground there would be no issue here.
          Where in the rules does it say you can legally tackle a player without possession of the ball?
          When is it not a penalty when a player is tackled, obstructed or interfered with from a genuine attempt to catch a ball in the air?

        • mikado

          If Umaga-Jensen was not in possession when he knocked the ball forward then he was guilty of an offence – either accidental knock-on (scrum) or deliberate knock-on (penalty). If he was not in possession, and was subsequently tackled then that tackle would be an offence. The ref should cease any advantage and award the appropriate sanction for Umaga-Jensen’s original offence.

          If Umaga-Jensen was deemed to be in possession when he knocked the ball forwards then he’d be fair game to be tackled. As the ball moved forwards and hit the ground he’d be guilty of accidental knock-on (scrum).

          I assume the ref decided it was one of the two scenarios that result in a scrum.

        • McWarren

          No sorry Richard even in slow motion Daugunu’s hold was for a micro second as he naturally reacted to a player who may have still had the ball. Its the perfect example of where slow mo is misleading. The Canes player was never going to catch that ball.

        • Richard Patterson

          Fair enough McWarren – but on what basis did Daugunu believe Umaga-Jensen had possession, and therefore believe he was entitled to impede the player? I think it was a case of a bang-bang play with offsetting faults by both Umaga-Jensen and Daugunu. It appears that upon reviewing the footage the officials ruled it that way and referee O’Keaffe resumed play with a scrum to the Reds for a knock on.

        • McWarren

          I guess on the same basis that Umaga-Jensen believed he was going for an intercept?

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Mate not go8ng to see it for a while but even a 2 on 1 that far out isn’t a yellow to me, although it may depend on where the other players are

  • Kiwi rugby lover

    Gold

  • idiot savant

    He is always playing games. He likes to throw people off the scent and appear to be considering all of the franchises. He is politically astute. So it could be Fitz yet!

  • Who?

    I’d rather have a bloke who can see things that the coaches can’t than someone following exactly what the coaches plan for how the opposition might attack. Because I’m confident that Schmidt, like any decent coach, will see things that the Wallabies’ coaches won’t see (just as any good coaching team will see things to exploit that Schmidt might not be able to cover).
    And Sexton isn’t a mindless drone. He’s an enterprising 10, who attacks with both hands and feet. Not unlike the type of player Cheika’s largely removed from the Wallaby setup (i.e. Fardy, Cooper, players who think for themselves, which used to be our greatest attribute back in the days of Campo, Ella, Farr Jones, Lynagh, Kafer, Larkham, Gregan).
    It’s funny how, at our peak, our greatest asset was having coaches who backed the players to analyse what the opposition was doing and adapt their tactics to attain the end goals. It was player power, but not in the way that removes coaches. It was players empowered to make a call on the understanding they were accountable to their coach when things didn’t work out. Macqueen said, “Kick drop outs to the short bloke,” so oppositions would stick him next to their tallest bloke, and the Brumbies would then – on the fly – work out their next best chances of regaining possession. These days, we just kick it to the same corner over and over. Apparently, finding alternative methods of implementing the game plan is a capital offence, as coaches don’t trust their players’ decision making skills… Even when the coach’s game plans don’t work (because no one will convince me that Stiles’ game plan was working. Look at the results, look at the stats on basic skill errors like missed tackles, yards after contact, etc).
    It’s interesting to hear the rhetoric about how the game is to be played. When Link was at the Reds, the coaching program emphasized how Rugby is a game of space – the space between defenders and attackers, between defenders, behind defenders, over defenders, all the way to the space between your ears. I’ve heard Shag express similar sentiments in the past couple of years. Whereas in Australia now, especially since the Tahs in 2014, it’s all about physicality, about winning the contact. Dominating the collision, rather than finding ways to fix defenders, force them into difficult/early decisions, and creating pathways of lower resistance to exploit. Australia’s never been a Rugby nation of brute force. We’ve always worked on playing as hard as we can, but also with pace and intelligence, never solely brute force. Maybe the execution under Gibson (Tahs, but this year only) and Larkham (Wallabies only, last year only) has changed to something a little more subtle in the backs, but I haven’t yet heard the rhetoric changing.

    • Adrian

      Sure, I agree with all you say Who.

      I was just being ironic, as QC is one of my favourite players of all time, along with Spencer, Ella twins, Beale, Sella, Campese and Barry John.

      I don’t want to debate everything about Cheika and his style, but was/is effective, but still relies on 1 or 2 innovative players to work. He isn’t the most structured of all the Australian coaches….IMO.

      I think Gibson is finally getting his way at the Tahs after getting the upper hand after Grey was asked to go,….and I believe that is what happened. It still needs innovation though.

      My take on it all, is that currently the coaches of 3 of the 4 Australian sides repress innovative players, and don’t understand what they are doing in any case. If they happen to have a good one they rely on them without realising it. The Rebels lose all creativity without Genia. Duncan P gives creativity to the Reds, ..if selected too. The Brumbies have little or no creativity,… though Pocock can think for himself on the field.

      I think that at the Reds, Cooper is excluded for reasons other than football by a stubborn coach who is good at some things but not everything

      • Who?

        Apologies for missing your irony, Adrian. Scary thing is that the irony has far too much accuracy. :-(
        I think you’re right about the Tahs and Gibson. They’re a totally different team this year, different in style. I think you’re right about the amount of structure in the other teams, too, but I’m not sure about the motivation behind it all. It’ll be interesting to see how they develop. My hope is that Wessels will allow more scope for variation as the team starts to understand his structures, and as they start to show some form of rugby IQ. No guarantees, but one can hope!
        McKellar, I don’t have huge confidence he can turn it around. Thorn, I’m not sure what he’ll be. He could be anything, but at least partially that’ll be determined by the people surrounding him, and I don’t have confidence in them (don’t know enough of Carozza’s coaching history, and McGahan’s record isn’t great).
        Though I’m not sure that Cheika’s less structured than other coaches. It’s just that his structure – his personal structure – is simpler than most. Complexity in the team (and we’ve discussed this before) is I think largely added by Larkham and Grey, and, on attack, they weren’t too bad last year. They had a pretty reasonable balance between simplicity and complexity.

  • Nicholas

    I am a teacher so have a bit to do with kids and sport and sporting codes coming and running clinics.
    “Castle said “Where we are targeting these new entrants is public schools, where our Get Into Rugby (formerly Game On) program has seen more than 70,000 kids experience rugby for the first time since the beginning of 2017, including no less than 5000 indigenous children.”

    Whilst these are great numbers ( I wonder how the other oval codes compare??) The fact is at the end of the day the parents have a massive say in what sports you play (if any) on weekends.

    Perfect example we had a bloke come and run some cricket clinics today – every single kid really enjoyed themselves and had a great time. The problem is that it will not translate to kids getting signed up to local clubs or comps.

    Rugby has it especially hard as it is not easily consumed by Joe Public – there is basically zero exposure after the clinics have been run.

  • Gooddog

    Have we worked out the socks for the Tahs?
    Beale – Joeys
    Foley – Alos/Syd Uni
    etc…

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