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Monday’s Rugby News

Monday’s Rugby News delves into some more about the Tui incident, the Quade Cooper show, a quick wrap-up of the weekend’s results.


 

Cooper Sage Continues

If Cooper wants Gold he might have to start wearing red, white and navy blue.

If Cooper wants Gold he might have to start wearing red, white and navy blue.

You’d be pressed to fine a more polarising player in Australia than Quade Cooper.

For better or worse, he seems to attract attention wherever he goes.

The media scrum that surrounds him might be on the move to Melbourne as the out of favour Queenslander looks to remove any spectre of “what if” when he finally hangs up his boots. (or gives them away, I can’t find it now, but wasn’t he doing that for a while?  Giving his boots to kids and/or charities??)

Cooper spoke about his future after the NRC match on the weekend and while he didn’t specifically mention moving to the Rebels he did touch on his motivation to finish his career with no regrets, “When it comes to that point if you can look back and enjoy that time rather than go ‘what if?‘ or anything like that, then no one can take anything away from you”.

However, in the same interview spoke of “bring present” and it could be interpreted that he’s content enjoying his time playing rugby for Souths and living in the greatest capital city in Australia, “I think being present is a great mentality to have in any walk of life and I think if you can take that approach to day-to-day life, enjoy your time when you’re at home with your family, enjoy that time when you’re on the training paddock with your team, enjoy that time when you’re out on the field playing games, because we can’t play this beautiful game forever”.

The comments need to taken in context with what Wallabies coach Cheika said earlier this year when he put his foot down and all but told Cooper to find a new Super franchise if he wanted to get back in the Green and Gold. “If he hadn’t had the opportunity to go and play Super Rugby I would say yes because fair enough, it’s not his fault, but he’s being offered opportunities and I think he should take them”.

Although technically on the outer with the national side too, the star flyhalf hasn’t been fully ignored, with Cheika reportedly saying, “We’ve seen some good things, seen some other things that you’d like improved. The games have been pretty high scoring, so it’s been pretty much focused on attack”.

Questions hang over just how all over the financials will get sorted out, just to make things even more complicated.  Cooper is sitting pretty on more than half a mill a year playing club footy in Brissy and is contracted with the Reds until the end of next year and all Australian Super rugby clubs need to fall back under the salary cap next year as the concessions granted after the Force were booted will come to an end.

NRC Round 3

The NRC brings professional rugby to suburban ovals, and the smart arses too.

The NRC brings professional rugby to suburban ovals, and the smart arses too.

The National Rugby Championship continued to hum along this weekend with some interesting match-ups bound to yield both some good viewing and a better look at how the season is shaping up.

Saturday saw the Drua travel to Mackay to take on Queensland Country, a match that would reduce the number of undefeated teams from three to two, except in the case of a draw, which didn’t happen, so let’s not worry about it.

Anyway, it was the boys from the bush who came away victors putting together a 28-point lead by halftime and extending it in the second half to win 52-22.

Our very own Sucker For Red has put together a comprehensive match review for your pleasure.

Meanwhile, the Eagles played host to Rising in Mudgee.  In a bit of a reversal of the other 1pm match, this game would see one of the teams pick up their first win of the season, and it was the Rising that rose to the occasion and inflicted more damage on NSW Country than the drought as they ran in 10 tries to 1 with Tom English bagging 5 of his own.

Dylan’s report has gone into a lot more detail for you to read on the train home this evening.

The news just got worse for teams south of the Tweed but north of Murray as The Rays went down to Brisbane City in a high-scoring affair.

The Rays scored 40 points in their loss, only 8 points short of the cumulative score of the rest of the weekend’s losers.  Whether that reflects well on the Rays’ attack on poorly on City’s defence is open for debate, but Nathan’s take on the contest might skew your perception one way or t’other.

The last match of the weekend was between the pre-season hot tip, the Force and the Vikings.

The affair was a tight tussle with the Vikings even taking a kick at goal from a penalty in the first half, the first one this season.

After trailing at oranges the boys from capital pulled away in the second half, keeping their opponents scoreless to win 29-19 and inflict the Force’s first defeat of the year.

Canberra local Steve had this to say about the match.

The wash up from the weekend leave QLD country as the only undefeated team while the two NSW-based teams are languishing without a win between them.  They face off this coming Wednesday evening at Leichhardt oval in what’s sure to be a passionate clash.

Tui Trigger

Lukhan Tui during happier times

Lukhan Tui during happier times

You’d be doing well to have missed the altercation that furthered soured the Wallabies’ night out on the Gold Coast over the weekend.

After a disappointing loss to Argentina, their first loss to that opposition in Australia for 35 years, some fans were irate with their team with many taking to social media and no doubt to their mates at the pub to voice their opinions.

At the game though, an as-yet unnamed fan and members of the Wallabies squad could be seen arguing and had to separated as tempers flared.

One of the squad members involved was the still injured centre, Samu Kerevi, who has taken to Instagram to throw his support behind his provincial and national teammate.

In the Instagram story (which has limited life-span but I’ve taken a screenshot for posterity) Kerevi outlines his take on the events saying, “Lukhan came in to help out because that guy was swearing around his family”.

And then honed in the trigger, “That altercation only happened because the drunk fan told Lukhan to ‘play with some heart’”.

A sentiment seemingly echoed by Wallaby head coach who came out after the match saying, “We lacked enthusiasm at the key moments often and that let us down”.

It’s gets murkier still, as Kerevi’s account contradicts what Michael Cheika said in the post-match interview where he pointed to Tui’s younger sister being pushed as the reason behind the escalation.

Whatever transpired, it wasn’t a good look for the game that’s battling internal and external detractors.

KereviComment

Kerevi’s Instagram story

 

Antipodean Results

Fish, Chips, Cup o' tea, bad food, worse weather, Mary ****ing Poppins, ENGLAND But they have some good rugby

Fish, Chips, Cup o’ tea, bad food, worse weather, Mary ****ing Poppins, ENGLAND
But they have some good rugby

Whilst spring has sprung in the southern hemisphere things up north are starting to cool down, or heat up, in the case of Gallagher Premiership.

With 3 rounds of competition completed the cream is starting to rise to the top and, ahhh, I guess the tealeaves that get thrown on the garden are sinking to the bottom?

Exeter and Saracens are sitting on 3 from 3 and remain the only two undefeated teams in the competition.

We’ll start with the aforementioned Exeter.  The club that expats Nic White and Greg Holmes call home these days got the choccies over second-last placed Sale 35 points to 18.  Chiefs’ Director of rugby praised his team’s ability to respond to games day changes, singling out Aussie Dave Dennis for his efforts, “To lose Matt Kvesic and Sam Simmonds literally this morning, that’s take a fair bit of shifting around. Dave Dennis got involved without thinking he was any part of the match-day 23 for quite a while.”

Across town (England’s tiny, and as far as I’m concerned there’s one town, London) Saracens knocked off Northampton 38-27, Northampton’s Chris Boyd summed up his feelings after his team gave up the lead late in the match, “It’s an awful lot of blood, sweat and tears to come away with nothing from an outcome point of view. We were in with a chance with 15 minutes to go, but we didn’t quite get it right at the end there.”

Elsewhere, Gloucester were too good, running in 5 tries to 1 against new kids on the block, Bristol.  Newcastle overcame two yellow cards and Worcester in a manner that a better writer could weave a sauce-related joke into and Bath just hung on over Harlequins in an 85-minute classic that went down to the wire (and 5 minutes more) thanks a try in the 78th minute to the Quins.  And in the final match of the round Wasps won the black and gold battle 41-35 over Leicester and move into the top four.

 

 

 

  • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

    Thanks, Andrew, appreciate it.

    I would imagine that if a new Wallabies coach was appointed Quade would probably sign with another SR team immediately. I’m sure he doesn’t really believe that Cheika would consider him if he moved teams based on how he was treated by Cheika last year.

    On that note, does anyone believe Cheika’s bullshit anymore? Surely even the media has had enough of him and his regime. Treating fans and legitimate concerns and questions about the direction of his team with contempt and constantly giving BS responses. Surely even his particular defenders in the media can’t put up with this for much longer given current results.

    The Tui incident seems to be indicative of a team that has lost all culture and direction. After the match the players just look dazed and confused. On the field they don’t look like a “team” at all, but individuals. What is the culture like with the Wallabies right now? A team that is sinking faster than the titanic with Mr Enthusiasm at the helm. His motivational message isn’t working, it hasn’t worked since 2015, and he has demonstrated no ability to get the team improving.

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      It also appears there is a bit of dissension amongst some of the players seeing some underperforming ones protected while better performing ones aren’t. After seeing how surprised Toomua was after being pulled and Genia’s obvious anger after the game maybe the locker room isn’t as united as it’s portrayed.

      I thought the post match press conference was interesting. According to Cheika the issue was players not being enthusiastic at critical times and the loss was their fault. TBH both him and Pocock looked shell shocked and weren’t really coherent at all, but that just doesn’t make sense. So the players are enthusiastic and then just as they get to a critical point they stop! That doesn’t make any sense.

      • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

        Toomua’s reaction reminds me of the reaction of another former Brumby when hooked for an inferior Waratah – Scott Fardy in Bledisloe 2 2016 when he was hooked for Mumm.

        You can see the confusion and anger in their eyes.

        They were shellshocked as they had gone in with a shit game plan and with no plan to counter the Argies, and we got spanked accordingly. Argentina could legitimately have won by another 10-15 points.

        • Greg

          What do you think the plan was? What should it have been?

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          Honestly, I haven’t really studied the Argentine’s patterns and players enough to answer that question in a sentence or two off the fly. I would say, however, that not going in with the same game plan for every time would be a good start.

          Cheika has admitted with pride in the past that he doesn’t do much opposition analysis and just focuses on performing our own game to the highest level. It shows, as we rarely seem to change tactics.

        • Damo

          I might be wrong but I think complacency and just a little bit of privileged arrogance might be at the heart of the Wallabies failures. I feel like the Genia and Folau tries created a kind of “Yep, we’ve got this” mindset. Rather taking advantage of the points and knuckling back down into a disciplined structure it all became very loose. Body height into contact was poor. Set piece concentration fell away. Speculative plays creeping in. The win was being taken for granted.
          However on the other side of the field was a team that planned to throw the kitchen sink at the opposition for 80 minutes. The momentum of the game started to go with the Puma’s because they earned it. Because this is not a collectively smart Wallabies team they just don’t know how to go back to basics and get the game momentum back. Siege mentality sets in and all the basic skills start to fall down. and Argentina continued to execute their own plan, not perfectly but well enough.
          We are falling down the rankings because we play like this regularly and the top tier nations know exactly how to pick us apart. It often makes me think of David Warner’s batting. Fundamentally talented but in the end arrogance and not enough patience. A series of stunning boundaries and then caught on the fence.
          The Wallabies need to accept they aren’t the best team in the world, get rid of this expansive game plan that we are just not good enough to execute. I would like to see our fortunes turned around by first of all simply becoming the hardest team in the world to beat. Physical, no nonsense, basic skills executed, take opportunities when they present themselves. To a large extent I believe this is the approach that Ireland have adopted that has elevated them to #2.
          I might be oversimplifying here but I’m seeing a team that is its own worst enemy. A reset and a reality check is urgently needed. I do believe the difference between success and failure is not huge- amazingly we still could have won the game on Saturday night. Skills execution at this level is as much about positivity and confidence as anything.
          Anyway this is how I’m seeing this at a broader picture level. Happy for everyone to pull it apart as they see fit.

        • laurence king

          Heartily agree, that privileged arrogance is only from a few players though, the young ones are just trying to keep their head down, dodge the internal politics which seem to be happening and play for Australia. We competed very well with Ireland at the beginning of the season, so as far as I’m concerned we can do it but lately, it’s like a buckled wheel spinning increasingly out of control

        • laurence king

          Well it says something doesn’t it, that the ABs always have a strategy to deal with anything or anyone from the opposition that might inhibit their own game plan.
          The chess player that doesn’t take into account the opposition’s strategy and tactics is a very poor player

        • Timbo

          Greg, I think you’ve asked the right question. During an After Action Report or AAR in the Military we do a fix, improve, sustain. That is what the diggers think could be bettered, improved or sustained. In the case of a fix, if you bring the issue forward, you have to provide a solution. Sadly this is not the case with keyboard warrioring as DBtB shows below. Getting rid of cheika Is all good and well, but coming from the chip on shoulder state, aka the ACT, without having a viable solution, is as helpful as a clanging gong.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          A good start would be to try and develop more first phase attacks, to move to the 1-3-3-1 attacking system, to try and move the ball wider than the second receiver more often and to try and kick to play in the right areas of the field rather than running from everywhere.

          Currently, defences can and do rush up to pressure our first and second receivers as they are never afraid of us kicking in behind them. On the few occasions when we do it, we do it terribly as we are so out of practice.

          Interesting, I’ve been called a keyboard warrior in the past, perhaps fairly, perhaps unfairly, but have never been accused of having a chip on my shoulder. I think every state of Australia is now accused of having a chip on their shoulder when it comes to rugby. NSW accuses everyone else of having a chip on their shoulder, while everyone else accuses NSW of it. Maybe no one has a chip on their shoulder, or everyone does?

        • Timbo

          Fair play. Apologies for the chip comment. It was aimed at the the ACT rather than yourself but it was a bit out of line. To be honest I’m gutted that my national sport and national team are in such a bad state and I hate seeing passionate people turning to ambivalence. That is what kills a sport.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          No worries, my friend. I do agree wholeheartedly with your comment. It’s sad to see where it’s at currently, and how angry, upset and un-united all the fans are. It was only a few years ago we were in a world cup final and there was so much energy and hope.

        • Andrew H

          sigh, have you two NEVER been in a comments section before? You’re not supposed to see each other’s point of view, show empathy and come to agreement…..

        • Andrew H

          Comment of the day, “I hate seeing passionate people turning to ambivalence”.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          I have mate. I’ve been told so often that every Kiwi has that I’m now at the stage where I’m proud of it.

        • Human

          KRL I am sure you have heard about the well-balanced Kiwi, but I will say it anyway…has a chip on both shoulders.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Bahahawahaha

        • laurence king

          I think the plan is more of a feeling, an ideology, a vision.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          That is gold

        • Greg

          I have worked with a lot of people who plan like that!

        • laurence king

          I do, but I paint pictures for a living! lol

      • IIPA

        Hopefully Genia was casting the first stone towards himself… he’s had a couple of underwhelming games in a row now.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          Lucky Phipps came on and was 100 times worse.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Oh so true.

        • Geoffro

          Half the guys in the side can be absolutely world class when they’re on song , Genia included.Phipps is not one of them

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          Yeah, Phipps seems like a really positive influence in terms of effort and how much he loves the Wallabies but when he’s in good form I feel he is a decent Super Rugby player, not an international one.

        • IIPA

          I wasn’t inviting comparisons but again you cant help yourself.

        • laurence king

          Bld 2 he looked like he was on slow pills to such an extent Phipps came on and outplayed him noticeably.

      • laurence king

        Hi, it looked like more than surprise on his face, ‘why me, I’ve travelled 12000 miles to play this game, I haven’t dropped the bloody ball, missed a tackle, run sideways, missed a kick?”. Genia was so angry he couldn’t look at the interviewer, and from what he said it was clear that there is dissension in the camp.
        The other thing, correct me if I’m wrong, but when Beale would run sideways I thought that he may have been looking for a straight runner but none were forthcoming. Maybe that was happening because all the young forwards are just trying to keep their heads down and not be noticed by the big shots in the team.

      • laurence king

        The team has progressively shown less and less cohesion each game played. If things were all honky dory in camp wallaby surely it would be the reverse

    • Geoffro

      David Nucifora ?

      • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

        I dunno, didn’t do well in the under 20s, the Brumbies removed him and he didn’t do well at the Blues. Maybe he has improved, or maybe he is just a better manager than coach?

        Jamie Joseph, Dave Rennie, Razor Robertson, Johan Ackermann, Vern Cotter, Gregor Townsend or even Link or Robbie Deans sound pretty good right now!

        Obviously Wayne Smith would be my preference, but that is just a pipe dream…

        • Fatflanker

          Do you reckon Dingo would come back? We treated him pretty shabbily IMO.

        • Geoffro

          Deans is far more suited to coaching in Japan.Blind obedience is a trait valued by him and his bro John Mitchell. Not suited to the Aussie mindset I’m afraid.

        • Geoffro

          Don’t know what went down at the brumbies fifteen years ago but he is their most successful coach resultwise by a longshot.Currently high performance director for Ireland.His resume is not too shabby and he has shown a willingness to be Wallaby coach in the past

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          What I’ve heard here in Canberra is that he he was essentially removed mid-season and the senior players coached the team.

          His coaching resume isn’t great. His role as high performance manager in Ireland is very good though.

        • Who?

          I wouldn’t want Wayne Smith. I think he and Laurie Fisher are similar. Great rugby brains, brilliant assistant coaches, but just not head coaches. I’m not sure why – perhaps it’s motivation, perhaps they’re better at the technical side, or the big picture side, or..? There’s no shame in that for either gentleman, but there’s a requirement that you have a head coach who can take what they offer and use it.

        • Brumby Runner

          There is simply no evidence that our current head coach meets that requirement, Who. Hard to believe Fisher wouldn’t be an improvement.

        • Who?

          I’m not saying that our current head coach meets those requirements, but that doesn’t mean I think that we should just accept anyone for the role. Otherwise, you may as well give it to me! Or go on a QRU-style ‘worldwide search’ of the carpark. I think we should still try and shoot for the best outcome, which may well be to have Laurie in a Wayne Smith-style guru role, guiding another coach (but not Larkham, because I’m not convinced that the arrangement worked out that well last time).

    • Andrew H

      Morning bud, what’s your take on how this year has reflected on Quade? To me, he’s poured his heart and soul into club rugby even though he knew he’d never get picked for higher honours, essentially he’s believed in something (staying in QLD and playing for his club) even if it’s meant he’s sacrificed everything (Super Rugby, test rugby).

      I tend to agree with you about the Tui incident, I think it shows there are cracks beneath the surface that are starting to show.
      If the fellow in the stand did indeed push Tui’s sister though, there’s no excuse for that.

      • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

        I absolutely agree on Quade. I think he’s shown how much he loves rugby, loves Queensland and loves Australia rather than just aiming for personal glory and salary (in which case he surely would have looked to go to Japan or Europe). I hope he is given an offer at the Rebels or Brumbies, is given a fair go by the media, fans and Wallaby coach, and earns redemption.

        Absolutely not, pathetic behaviour from an fan acting atrociously, but I don’t think reacting with violence was the right thing either. I think Tui’s reaction, and his subsequent decision to leave the Wallabies, is pretty indicative of the culture of the team right now.

        • Andrew H

          What would be great (as a Reds fan) would be for Thorn to swallow his pride, welcome Quade back and for the whole team to have an amazing 2019….but I fear this won’t become a reality. Fingers crossed though.

        • Geoffro

          Sure,most rugby players have been mentioned in some sort of bad behaviour (except St David of Pocock of course) Even Dan the man got chastised for drunk driving and suspected steroid abuse.Thorn seems to have a bit of a rod up his backside which shouldn’t interfere with what is good for the franchise.

    • The Jackal

      Link so disaffected with everything Australian rugby, he unsubscribed from the Classic Wallabies email group. Not coming back.

      • disqus_NMX

        Wow!

      • Dud Roodt

        Isn’t he now part of the team designing and rebuilding Christchurch?

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Yeah he is. A mate of mine works with him. Still pretty bitter about the whole wallaby thing but a really nice guy apparently

        • Dud Roodt

          It’s a real shame the way things went down with him. And as we’ve all mentioned before, I’d love to know the full story. Whether we will or not is another thing.

          One major downside of his departure was the thing that happens so often in Australian rugby, it forced the next coach to come in before he was ready. Cheika (and the Waratahs) really could have done with another couple of years together with him developing the talent for the next level, while getting himself ready for the same thing.

          But, that forced Cheika into that role, then Gibson into the Tah role too early.
          It probably even forced Larkham and Grey into the international set-up too early when they could have done with a longer apprenticeship at SR level and perhaps a sting overseas first.

          just hope they don’t make the same mistake with Cronn and Wessels.

        • Brumby Runner

          I really believe that had Cheika had another two years with the Tahs, he would never have been elevated to the Wallabies’ coaching staff. It was obvious to many that within two years of being with the Wallabies that he wasn’t the great coach he was being made out to be.

    • Custard Taht

      I think RA and the Wallaby brand are at the point where they can’t afford not to pay him out.

      • Brumby Runner

        Can’t afford to pay him out, but can’t afford not to pay him out? Sounds like a perfect time for a promotion to a non-job somewhere, maybe assisting Kafer, just to get him out of the scene.

  • onlinesideline

    So basically with JOC decalring his aspirations to come back to SR and have a crack at making the Wallabies for the RWC and Cooper playing for the rebels, we are going to have a year of NON STOP chat about whether the 3 amigos should / shouldnt / could / couldnt / will / wont / be in the team in this position / that position / no position based on this skill / that skill / no skill. The 3 amigos all over again.

    • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

      Based on Beale’s performances since the first Irish test, only two amigos will likely be in the running. He has been atrocious.

      When did JOC say that? I hadn’t heard that.

      • onlinesideline
        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          Thanks mate.Surely RA wouldn’t pay out his contract, but he would be able to sign a two year contract from 2020.

          If he has changed his ways then I would love him to come down to the Brumbies. The Reds could use him, but who, wanting to resurrect their career, would go to the Reds?

        • Who?

          Agreed, and I’m pretty confident that Thorn wouldn’t consider him in any way.

        • Bakkies

          Agreed Who. Particularly after his night out with Ali Williams.

        • Dud Roodt

          I reckon someone needs to get Brad out on the nose beers. Get him to lighten the fuck up

        • Huw Tindall

          Or a couple of glasses of nosé as the posh kids call it over here Dud.

        • Dud Roodt

          Well la de da, look at Mr White Privilege over here huh. I bet you’ve never even spent all day on the brickies laptop tearing through your weeks salary while ducking off to dunnies every halfy for some booger sugar

        • Huw Tindall

          Lolz love it

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Fuck that’s all we need. Mind you after JOCs last performance with the Reds who’d want him. He was crap

      • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

        I thought he was actually one of the better Reds in 2015, in a really poor team. Didn’t he have to play 10 also? Really, he’s a fullback or a winger.

        • John Tynan

          Just what we need then!!

      • onlinesideline

        I think he was crook with a bad knee for most of the season.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Don’t care he’s still crap

        • onlinesideline

          lol

        • Dud Roodt

          Craps a massive exaggeration. On his day he was a fucking brilliant player. And as OS mentioned, he had a broken bone in his leg the entire season (plus played another 2 with it) and has only now had the proper surgery to fix it.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          Yeah, he is one of the best players Australia has produced since 07. He, Genia and Pocock were the three best on their days.

        • Dud Roodt

          I agree.
          I feel if Deans hadn’t become obsessed with moving him to 10, he could have ended up being one of our most capped players.
          He was so good as an 18-20 year old

        • nmpcart

          Was it Deans’ obsession or was it JOC’s desire to play 10? From an interview last year about why he moved to Sale Sharks (where he plays now):
          “I really want to push myself by playing at ten or in a ball-playing position. I enjoy it in closer where I can have more say on the game. I haven’t played ten in a while, but that’s a focal point on me coming here and testing myself.”

          My understanding was that he wanted to be the playmaker, but like Beale, wasn’t great at creating for other people (the playmaker’s role) versus going for it himself. Some people, despite their skills, are not playmakers. I don’t know how JOC is going in England, perhaps he is suited to the role now but previously I had always felt that his skills were in broken field running type opportunities, not setting up and supporting others.

        • Dud Roodt

          Perhaps it’s a bit of both – but I would say that call comes solely from the coach who can tell the player to fuck off if he doesn’t like the sound of the plan.

          He’s coming off pretty major surgery. He’s been doing a lot of weird training (surf-based training in LA; mountain training in Scottish Highlands and now in Iceland doing a lot of sensory deprivation stuff) trying to build confidence in his leg up again.

        • onlinesideline

          Savourworld or something. That deprivation stuff seeems to have tripped him out totally. At least his hair is dye free though.

        • Dud Roodt

          Yeah his instagram is a bit out there. Delve too deep into that and it’s akin to dumping a bit of acid.
          He’s a very spiritual soul these days it appears.

          He’s also doing a lot of BJJ at the moment and genuinely appears to be a good influence on the team

        • onlinesideline

          whats BJJ ?

        • Dud Roodt

          Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu

        • onlinesideline

          A few years in the Northern Hemisphere is a massive growth spurt for a young guy. They were in a bubble in OZ. I love a redmeption story and if he does return I’ll definitely be supporting him online when his name pops up (as long as he tones down the hair)

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Yeah should have expanded on that. I actually rated his play when he first came on but his behaviour was absolutely abysmal. I thought he had a crap year last time. Remember him kicking the ball direct to the arms of a charging opposition who scored and then the bemused look on his face and someone having to stop, Higginbotham I think, punching him on the field. I can’t help but think that he has been given enough chances to prove himself and every time he has come back with all the right words and then reverted to the same selfish, crap behaviour. I wouldn’t touch him with a barge pole.

        • Dud Roodt

          To be pedantic I think his attitude was fine until he got to the Rebels (and just after talking about his brand). As an 18 year old (and up to 20) he was a tough, talented kid who punched above his weight in D and was electric in attack.

          I really think his year at the Reds isn’t indicative of the player he is. Apparently the injury he was playing on was pretty severe.
          And kicking the ball into the hands of the opposition on the try line – who hasn’t done that (looking at the bachelor for that one)

        • Brumby Runner

          Weren’t there punches in the dressing room at half time, or so one of the stories goes.

      • Happyman

        Agree fuck that he is like Jarrod Hayne in League a cancer who makes your team worse.

  • Kiwi rugby lover

    Thanks Andrew, must be hard trying to develop some enthusiasm for rugby today. I think if Quade goes to the Rebels it will be very interesting. While he still has some flaws in his play there is no doubt that he gets bums on seats and raises interest in the fan base. I still think he’s one of the best 10s in the country so for me it’d be a great move.

    Let’s not make too much out of the Tui incident. A disgruntled halfwit who should just be ignored and a guy with enough on his plate. You know while I disagree with a lot of the tactics, selections and play of the Wallabies I still believe that they all give 100% on the field and giving that sort of abuse, no matter how disappointed you are, is not acceptable. I hope Tui and his family are ok and that he can get himself through these hard times.

    • onlinesideline

      Im going to be 100% honest here. I really think Tui should have walked away. Yeah the baldies were complete idiots and its easy to say in hindsight and we have all done it, grabbed someone by the collar once or twice in our lives but he has to realise that in this situation you just tell the guy hes an idiot and walk away. Its bloody tough and there was obviously a conflation of emotions, the passing away of his step Dad and a test loss, generally being emotionally drained etc but to me it did look like Tui grabbed him and pulled him forward. If indeed his little sister was shoved, then hell, all bets are off but if not, he has to realise you just walk away when confronted by drunken fools like this. I think he is a raw 21 year old and needs some guidance about what this side of being a Wallaby entails. If Im wrong and he was shoved in any way, then I take it back.

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        I think the issue was that he pushed Tui’s sister so I’m a bit on his side

        • onlinesideline

          I am too if thats true, she must have been in the stands.

        • Geoffro

          If you look at what happened to Lopeti Timani after he allegedly insulted Amanaki Mafi’s sister , that fan can consider himself lucky indeed he’s not in the casualty ward

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          I thought Timani allegedly swore in front of his sister? I hadn’t heard anything about him allegedly assaulting her.

        • Geoffro

          “disrespected” was the official line I think.Regardless,these PI boys can be a little hotheaded at times so I don’t think the guy revving him up was using his judgement very well

        • disqus_NMX
        • Greg

          Who knows what happened.

          The fan was an idiot. The player should have walked away.

          He is 21, had a death in the family and had just had a bad loss. Great that they were talking to the fans. Probably needed some mgt support.

        • disqus_NMX

          Whadayamean “Who knows what happened”, did you watch the video? Clearly no woman gets pushed by the fan. There is a woman at the edge of the video, but the fan isn’t in range to push her, and neither he nor Tui look in her direction. You can see the fan pointing at Tui and obviously saying stuff to him. And then Tui fires up and grabs him. The story about him pushing Tui’s sister is obviously a pile of rubbish.

        • Greg

          I mean I don’t know what happened that is not on the video. Do you? My comments above still seem to make sense.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Mate, that’s a very short clip. It doesn’t show what happened before that or after it. I’m not sure basing an argument on one short clip is actually a good move.

        • disqus_NMX

          It definitely does show what fired Tui up though. I’m more than happy with my argument.

        • SuckerForRed

          Certainly doesn’t show what the bloke said to Tui that obviously tip him over. His sister could quite well have been in the kerfuffle and you would not be able to see her as she only comes up to his waist. As Greg said “The fan was an idiot. The player should have walked away.” A break out of the limelight might be good for Tui. I am seriously surprised that he was playing at all and I hope that he made that decision himself and was not pressured by any side to play.

        • Dud Roodt

          His sister is also about 7, not a woman. So you might be looking too high or she’s in amongst the crowd

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Well if that captures it all and nothing happened earlier then fair enough. I will not ever support someone acting like that to a player though. That was well out of line. Maybe Tui did over react but to be fair I wouldn’t have thought him giving the guy a punch in the head would have been out of order. In my days I’ve punched guys for less.

        • disqus_NMX

          Both the fan and Tui behaved like knobs.

      • Andrew H

        “I think he is a raw 21 year old and needs some guidance about what this side of being a Wallaby entails”, nailed it.
        Does anyone know how much of this sort of coaching the players receive?

      • disqus_NMX

        Sister definitely wasn’t shoved by the guy in this footage:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-OeAyUL97I

        • onlinesideline

          Well there ya go

        • first time long time

          If mini me wants to gob off at the hulk he might get squished. Was Tui’s reaction the right one, without knowing all the details, probably not but I sure as shit don’t blame him.

    • Andrew H

      I got enthusiasm mate, City won, All Blacks lost, 2 out of 3 ain’t bad!! :)

      The Tui incident might shine a light on the wider troubles in Oz rugby, so I don’t think we’ve heard the last of it. If the fellow in the stands is found to have pushed Tui’s sister there’s absolutely no excuse for that and they should be sanctioned for it. As for them (allegedly) saying that Tui played with no heart it might stem from watching highly paid, professional athletes stuff up the basics of the game. As an example, doing thousands of passes in drills at training might not be the most enthralling thing in rugby but it’s a critical part of the game and the poor execution of simple plays in rugby may indicate an underlying cultural problem within the team.
      Thoughts?

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        There was a clip on Stuff a couple of days ago at AB training and it had A Smith, BB and a couple of others doing boring passing and catching on one knee. They did about 10 or 15 then swapped sides. Perfecting skills can be pretty boring and monotonous at times but it is essentail if you want to improve. If the hookers aren’t doing 150 throws to a target on a wall every day then they are not meeting the requirements of their profession. TBH I don’t think this is done here and that’s why Folau still can’t pass to the right or kick, Foley still can’t kick for shit and Phipps still sprays his passes.

    • Adrian

      100%

  • Richard Patterson

    I apologise to those folks here who criticise anyone who delivers non-Australian content on this excellent Australian rugby website. However I recognise there are many South African rugby fans who contribute here and let’s face it, we are all fans of this great sport.

    A special congratulations to all Springbok rugby fans for an epic performance in New Zealand on Saturday night. The rivalry is steeped with tradition and that match was just the latest chapter in a great history. The emotions displayed before, during and after the match were incredible and to the victor the deserved spoils. You again reminded the world the blueprint to beat this All Black team. You shut down their space, you were aggressive in your defensive line speed – and you made your tackles. Lots of tackles – not some of the time, but for all 80 minutes. You nailed the chances you got presented, and you kicked your goals – all of them! The return match in Pretoria will be enormous — all before a World Cup pool match in Japan next year which shapes as significant!!

    Somehow, some people last week chose to write that the Rugby Championship was tired. One writer even said he was bored with rugby right now. I believe it was massively disrespectful to the All Black vs Springbok rivalry that was about to play out on Saturday. It was also disrespectful to this Argentinian Puma side who have really progressed this year and deserve an enormous amount of praise for their playing style and results. This is the most competitive Rugby Championship we have ever seen and the quality of some of the rugby on Saturday was outstanding. Where are you AFL, NRL and Soccer Australia with international sport like what Rugby presented on Saturday night? We should be grateful for what we have – not dismissive of it.

    I hope the Wallabies lift for their remaining 2 road games of this Rugby Championship. They seem a side that talk a lot. Commentary about working hard, taking ownership, making their fans proud. Somehow it seems to stop when the microphones get turned off. For this Wallaby side to improve, it starts with a mindset reset. No more entitlement, lots more desire. Watching the Springbok performance Saturday night on the upcoming plane rides might be a good start. There was desire served up in spades. That’s the power of history – and belief.

    • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

      Absolutely. Congratulations to South Africa and Argentina, both of whom had wonderful away wins after special performances. Thoroughly deserved victors and, like you say, have reinvigorated the RC a bit. Imagine if they both achieved the double on New Zealand and Australia in the return fixtures?

    • Brisneyland Local

      RP, thanks for your always appreciated contributions.!

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Mate I can hardly complain of that with my total bias towards all thing New Zealand and All Black. I’m with you though, I loved the way the Boks and the Argies have stepped up. That game against NZ was an absolute jem of a game. A few silly mistakes on each side, a referee who confused people at times, but also some great play that any lover of the game would appreciate. TBH I’m not concerned with the loss, I agree with Hansen that you learn more from a loss than a win, as long as you do go in with an open mind and a desire to learn, and I think the ABs will take a lot of lessons from this game.

      • Richard Patterson

        Good thoughts as always KRL. IF the All Blacks lift the William Webb Ellis Cup in Tokyo next year, they will look back on this loss as a significant contributing reason. They have been stung into addressing some issues regarding mindset, accuracy / execution and decision making / execution.
        The last time the All Blacks blew a 12-0 point lead in a test match was…?
        The last time they scored 6 tries in a test match and lost the game was…?
        The last time they scored 34 points in a test match at home and lost was…?

        They will be hurting. And so they should be!!!!

  • Happyman

    Fellow GAGR’s
    A couple of thoughts on the weekend.
    Re the Tui Incident after the game. I don’t think anyone would be upset at his response to the idiot who was obviously fill of liquid courage. The word on the street is that the language used would have made a wharfy blush and given the week he had and the fact his sister was impacted his response was probably proportionate. It would have taken real heart to play this week for him.
    If he decides to take the rest of the year off so be it some things like family are more important than Rugby.
    My personal view is that you can criticise the skill, tactics and execution but never the heart. At any level it takes heart to go out and play a contact sport.
    Congrats to the Argies played well and deserved the win.
    Congrats to the Saffas played well and deserved the win. When LaRoux got his soft yellow I thought here we go again.
    One thing the Saffa v AB game showed me is that I now support the Wallabies and whoever is playing the AB’s and England.
    The the Wallabies I know the game is made up of more than one play but F&^k me Israel learn to pass from left to right it has been a s%^t part of your game since you have come to rugby and not gotten any better. As soon as he tucked the ball under his arm in the run the defender knew he was no longer accountable for the outside man.
    I actually thought our back row worked and our execution was poor.
    The Argies showed also that your backline does not have to be made up of 100kg plus players. Footwork still matters and that is something we need to learn again.

    • Brisneyland Local

      Footwork and speed. Of which we have neither!

      • Happyman

        Mate they are out there but we select by numbers. to be an outside back you must be 190cm tall and run in a 40 yard dash in 4.5 or so. This does not touch on your ability to make tacklers miss.

        My big thing is that you look at the junior teams picked invariably they are the biggest boys not the most skilful boys.

        • Brisneyland Local

          I agree. Look at the Rocket Rod Davies of the world. I know he is long in the tooth now, but in the NRC hie is still clearly two to three yards faster than the other players and has a great step on him. some of our players maybe fast, but they are freight trains and cant turn. So is the hope the bull doze. You can only do that when you are Jonah Lomu size. Very disappointing.

        • Dud Roodt

          It was a real shame for Rocket Rod that he had hammies made out of papier-mâché – he was electric in that great Reds team.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Even slower with age, he is still significantly quicker than most. But yes you are right he was great to watch in that era where the Reds actually were competitive.

        • Brumby Runner

          BL, I think your assessment of Rocket Rod’s pace in now a little bit out of date. Saw Lausi Taliauli run him down yesterday, and I don’t rate LT as having scintillating pace.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Didnt see that. But watched him in the game versus Bris city and he smoked a number of players. And not just big fat forwards ;-)

        • Human

          I doubt that there is a single player in that team who would run 40 yards in 4.5s. Thor might; Banks would but he is not in the team.

      • laurence king

        Maddocks late in the game stepped someone as if they weren’t there and it was nice to see. DHP had a nice mazey run as well. Something that Koriebete and Hodge can’t do.

        • Brisneyland Local

          LK I agree. Maddocks has a nice step, but isnt that fast unfortunately.
          DHP also has a good step when he uses it, but also lacks that blistering pace.
          But they are versatile players.

      • Alister Smith

        Folau’s first try????No footwork????

        • Greg

          honestly, we have lots of good stuff. The issue is that we cannot put it together as a team.

          We have gaps (10?) but we can use what we have so much better.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Footwork and speed. Meaning both simultaneously. Folau isnt that quick but he has a brilliant right step off.

        • GeorgiaSatellite

          Sadly can’t (or won’t) pass to his right.

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Maaaaate I’m hurt that you don’t support us, I support you guys against anyone except us.

      • Happyman

        I used to mate but My Kiwi mate turns into an A$$hole at this time of the year. He really shits me with his I hate Australia thing even though he lives here uses our education system for his kids but goes anyone but Australia, Don’t get me wrong I admire your mentality attention to detail and ability with ball in hand.
        But unlike your good self I am just over getting beaten and having our noses rubbed in it by people like him.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Yeah mate I do get that. I’d fuck him off too

        • Happyman

          Brushed him a few weeks ago. Don’t need that type of energy in my life.

  • The Jackal

    The Toomua substitution was an administration error, Beale was meant to be subbed. That’s why Toomua looked so flummoxed.
    Cheika’s mate on the sideline has apparently cocked up three times in as many weeks with wrong substitutions. This tree is rotten all the way to the core.

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Not sure that’s true. Cheika said in the press conference that Toomua hadn’t been doing much so sounds like the coaches decision was followed

      • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

        Weird. I thought Toomua was having a much more positive impact on the field than Beale was. If I was right then it is a classic example of Cheika’s favouritism benefiting his boys.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Don’t get me wrong I thought it was the wrong decision, just not a mistake on the sideline

        • Bernie Chan

          Yeh…the way Toomua clearly queried the call and the Ref confirmed the decision with Cheika’s mate…sure didn’t look like a sideline error. More a coaching blunder…

        • Brumby Runner

          Beale was actually doing quite a bit but it was all for the good of the opposition.

      • Dud Roodt

        He said Toomua hadn’t been doing much? That’s a fucking weird thing to say (and quite un-Cheika like really)

        • laurence king

          That’s right, he wasn’t running sideways, missing tackles, dropping balls, performing falcons, missing kicks, so completely unnoticed

      • The Jackal

        Saves face that doesn’t it. Snake Oil salesman Cheika

      • Human

        I thought he said that “Matt had not been doing much wrong, we just wanted to try to change it up a bit…try something different.” I have only just stopped laughing

  • onlinesideline

    Where the hell is Sefa ? – how the hell can a guy go from being a mouthwatering prospect that has got everyone drooling at his potential of destroying pommy delusions of grandeur to a complete no show. The guy was freaking blistering fast – can one injury and an average season mean hes that out of contention. Are his weaknesses much worse that Koribetes ?

  • Missing Link

    Morning everyone, what a weekend. I was asked before the bokke game what I thought the score would be, my response was “I don’t know how many NZ will score but SA will not score a point!” Well that certainly didn’t happen. I wasn’t really worried about who won in the end, but the nature of the game which came down to the wire is healthy for the game and a loss or two to NZ each year will also not hurt them or the game one bit, it will spark life back into and bring people back to the game which is what I’ve been trying to say for a long time. Argentina also deserved their win, and that is also good for the game, it also highlights yet again the inherent problems in the Wallabies which have reached boiling point with fans as we witnessed.

    I wanted to make it perfectly, I was not in the Gold Coast on the weekend, I was not at the Wallabies game and I have a full head of hair, because I know at least one of you was thinking possibly that’s Missing Link hahahahha

    Let’s get stuck into the Wallabies, I love them dearly, but we can see, they are too structured, always trying to use a predetermined play, and most of the time this is OK but there are times where they must trust their instincts and use their “rugby brain” and they can’t. The other thing they’ve been accused of is not having a sense of urgency, I’m going to flip the coin on this and say they have too much urgency, they want to score off every phase but they can’t, and it seems to get the better of them every time. In contrast, NZ do both of these very well, they do not try to score of every phase, they build towards it by ball retention, putting players into a position to score and choosing the right moment to execute.

    • Brisneyland Local

      Pure gold ML. I dont have any hair for the record. I I am taller than Tui so definitely wasnt me either!
      Agree on the Bokkies NZ game. I was really into it. That last ten mins was nail biting. It felt great to be loving a game and watching every second on baited breath. that is what I want out of my rugby.

    • Dud Roodt

      “but we can see they are too structured, always trying to use a predetermined play”

      That’s funny I actually though the opposite. It looked to me like the only game plan revolved around KB running sideways and hoping against hope another player was going to hit a gap at pace and straighten the attack, which rarely, if ever, happened.

      I sat there watching the game and thought back to the first Ireland test where we came in with a plan and it worked. I haven’t seen them play with a plan like that again.

      • Missing Link

        maybe I’m getting the impression that they’re trying to use a structured play all of the time because when they’re not, they are going nowhere. Thanks for highlighting that and I agree that many times KB is jinking around trying to find a runner to hit but their not there. it’s almost like they don’t know what to do because they didn’t get the flowchart before the game. Are we better off just outsourcing the Wallabies to a call centre in a developing country?

        • Dud Roodt

          Haha that would be amazing. The Filipino’s could step up I’m sure. If their basketball team is anything to go by they’d be up for a scrap at least.

          I think we can all now see that KB really isn’t a 10 by any stretch. I still think he is a great player (perhaps like Quade he is great until things start going sour).

          Cheika would be crazy not to give Toomua a go at 10 now. But I fear he will reinstate Foley and that will be all she wrote on the “experimentation” side of things.

        • SuckerForRed

          I was thinking during the game that the big problem with KB running across field is that the defenders know that he is not going to take on the line so they effectively ignore him and line up anyone who remotely looks like they might get the ball. As you said Dud Roodt, at least with QC at the Reds others around him were creating doubt. I can still remember Digby being asked in an interview hoe he knew what Quade was going to do. He laughed, and the reply was along the lines of, “Quade doesn’t know what Quade is going to do, so you just stick to his shoulder and get ready to take the ball.”

        • Dud Roodt

          I remember that quote well. It really summed up the teams ethos and how well McKenzie brought them together and put them on the same page.
          With KB, you really can’t fault him for effort has he obviously tries his guts out, but there needs to be a plan B. If the crabbing sideways isn’t paying off, he needs to set deeper so he gives himself that fraction extra second to make something work (and as you say, take on the line).

        • Who?

          I think KB really needs a very clear set of directives to play 10. And most coaches don’t seem to provide that. He had it with Link in 2008, and excelled. Robbie didn’t provide it for anyone, and so he didn’t shine in 2012. I wasn’t confident that Cheika and Larkham would provide enough for him…
          KB’s an excellent player. I often castigate Deans on here, but something I’ve long said is that he was a good talent spotter (just that you don’t do that as a national coach). He picked some pearls – Pocock, Genia, JOC, Cooper, Slipper, Beale… But the big thing with Beale was shifting him into space at 15. It showed us what he can do. Whilst he’s been playing 12 for years now, his greatest successes are still based off the running game he first showed us returning kicks at 15.

        • Dud Roodt

          Agree 100%.
          When he was playing 15 around 2010-2012 he was a freak. One test against the Boks stands out where he tore the game open with his running.
          The turn of pace he showed with a 10m headstart was amazing. But he doesn’t get that headstart at 10.

        • Who?

          It’s not just the space, though. Space is useful when you’re running. At 10, you’ve got to identify the space for someone else, and that’s not Kurtley’s strongest suit. It’s the difference between Beale and Cooper – Beale identifies space and has retained his pace. Cooper’s strength is to identify space and the right person to take advantage of it. Cooper’s Aaron Rogers, Beale’s more like Russell Wilson. One will use his feet to stay alive and find the right receiver (and you just know that, if anyone’s open, he’ll find them), the other will find a receiver if he’s open, but is more likely to use his pace and elusiveness to go the touchdown himself.
          So, for Beale to be strong at 10, he needs to have his options narrowed, be given very clear focus (i.e. your default options are here and here, ignore this, expect opportunities in these area). Given that, he’ll do ok – as would many other backs. At 12, the key difference is that there’s no responsibility to carry every single play.
          For reference, Toomua is Matt Ryan, and I don’t know who Foley is…

        • Dud Roodt

          Foley is Mark Sanchez

        • Bernie Chan

          Ouch…or Johnny Manziel…! No you are correct…Manziel didn’t play much whereas Mark Sanchez had a lot of starts…for bugger all results.

        • Dud Roodt

          And who could forget the amazing butt fumble

        • SuckerForRed

          Agreed Who?. I do think that he plays alright a 12. He needs more time then what he gets a 10.

        • Brisneyland Local

          SFR, I agree I remember that interview as well. QC had Genia feeding him, and generally Digby and Ant Faiainga running at full pace ready to receive. Neither knowing who would get the ball, but just to be ready to get it at pace. they were good attacking days.

        • laurence king

          IMO Quade can see gaps where few others can see gaps, and he plays what’s in front of him better than anyone playing the game in Australia bar none, so I hope he goes to the Rebels, I hope he plays against the Waratahs and gets a couple of clear wins over them. And I might add in saying that, I’ve been a Tahs supporter for 50 years.

        • Dud Roodt

          And as a Tahs supporter my whole life, I totally agree.
          I am a rugby and a Wallabies supporter first and foremost.

          I agree he has more vision than any other 10 in the country. I can also see the argument AGAINST him being there. But I just think the right thing to do is give him a red hot crack.

        • laurence king

          Absolutely

        • SuckerForRed

          I agree totally. I few years ago I had the privilege to be talking to him at a trial game. He wasn’t playing so we were watching the curtain raiser. He had never seen any of the players play before and did not know the coaches, yet he could call where the space was and what plays should have been happening what seemed like three plays before they happened. It was then that I realised just what vision and rugby smarts he has.

        • Greg

          I was a forward once upon a time. Head down, bum up and hit the ruck hard. If only I had a clean jersey and a nice hairstyle…. I could have had that vision!!Truly! :-)

        • Who?

          I wish all our coaches could have that sort of experience – to gain an insight in the thought processes, etc.

        • laurence king

          Like a good chess player, they reckon Andrew Johns and Wally Lewis were like that

    • onlinesideline

      IMO you are bang on re wanting to score off every few phases. Bannnng on. How long has it been since we have see a player in the team like Gits who had the ability to hoof the ball down the field 45 meters and turn the opposition around, build pressure, gain real terrirority, pick ya moments and then bang go for it. We look like we are on speed, we recyle like maniacs off riduclously flat standing forwards constantly under pressure. We desparately need a 10 and a 12 who can kick the ball properly. A Nutbrown, a Merhterns, a Carter, a Gits. We are anxious as hell.

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Hey ML, I think the idea that they are too urgent actually holds water. I think beale’s biggest problem is he feels like he needs to make something everytime he touches the ball and so crabbs off looking for space instead of just getting the ball out there.

      • Missing Link

        Good to know I’m not going insane :) you know when I watch NZ, they often score when there’s about 5 players bunched up between the touchline and the 5 metre channel and I think “how do they do that, it’s like they have 30 players on the park?” while the opposition are too busy stretched across the field trying to work out which one is Beauden and which one is Jordy. NZ spend multiple phases setting this up and execute when the time is right, it’s more strategic than watching someone get voted out on survivor. There was a period last year I think where I saw the Wallabies play like this but it’s gone out the window this year, they seemed to have reverted to individual brilliance trying to get them over the line and I think Folau’s try was top shelf but showed that the Wallabies weren’t playing as a team. I also think that when they recycle in the forwards, they aren’t thinking about the end result, all they’re doing is recycling slow ball until they get quick enough ball for Genia to fire out to whoever is 1st rec, then the rest is a lottery wheel.

        Beale needs to go back to 12 for the sake of the team and use Toomua at 10 or Foley, but if Foley plays 10 then he’s not the designated touch/place kicker. this is also for the sake of the team. Folau stays on the wing for the sake of the team.

        I’d almost be tempted to drop Koroibete and move Beale to 11, bring Foley back in to 10, centres are Toomua and Hodge, Folau wing and DHP Full Back. I know it’s a lot of shuffling, but Beale isn’t slow, and you know he’ll go looking for work. Toomua and Hodge are your normal and long range kickers. Trouble is I think SA will do us over with that backline, as we would be sacrificing a lot of speed.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Or we both are lol

  • juswal

    Cheika on Cooper: “We’ve seen some good things, seen some other things that you’d like improved.”

    And he could write those words all over the careers of Foley and Beale.

    But as Daryl points out above, nothing Cheika says to the media is worth reading. At this point, I think, he’s incapable of direct and open speech. His communicative instinct is to evade, deflect and switch track.

    Waiter: Are you ready to order, sir?
    Cheika: Mate, being ready is overrated by some people. We know what we have to do, and we’ll do it at the right time.
    Waiter: May I suggest the fish, sir?
    Cheika: We’ll be looking at that, it’s only natural and of course you want to cover all the bases.
    Waiter: Perhaps someone else could order for you?
    Cheika: Look, everyone has an opinion. They’re entitled to that. We’ll be talking to everyone, making sure that their voices are heard.
    Waiter: It’s just that the kitchen is closing soon, sir.
    Cheika: Believe me, mate, nobody is more aware of the need for urgency than me. I’m hungry here, I’m really feeling it, the boys are hungry too, it’s on our minds all the time.
    Raelene: Bring him a steak, please.

    • Brisneyland Local

      Juswal! Tip of the hat!
      That is perfect!

    • first time long time

      I’m laughing cause it’s funny but I’m crying cause it’s true!

    • disqus_NMX

      Lol, another classic juswal comment!

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      That is gold. Fuck it sounded so much like the press conference after Saturday’s game bahahahawahaha

    • laurence king

      Fantastic lol

    • Damo

      And we criticised Robbie Deans for speaking in riddles!

      • onlinesideline

        To be fair, thats the role of the fan in optimal circumstances
        (something like that ?)

    • onlinesideline

      Quality wordsmithery mate

    • Greg

      notwithstanding the levity…..perhaps that is what Mr Cheika needs. Perhaps someone putting some structure around him could really help him to be more effective.

      He has passion but he is not able to harness it to produce results. Sometimes it only needs a little bit of nudging. In the workplace I have seen this done to perfection and a real non-contributor become a star.

      Given that he is likely to be the coach for the next 12 months, we need to look for these tweaks.

  • juswal

    Good work with the images and captions, Andrew

    • Andrew H

      Thanks!! I do wonder how my stupid captions and memes get perceived on this page. I’ve set myself a challenge to be factually accurate but try to tell they story in a fun way.

      • juswal

        I was on the first roster of daily news volunteers, about five years ago. The gig always had room for a dash of the Personal Pisstake Element, and your PPE is right on point.

  • Fatflanker

    Cheiksta, here’s a to-do list, (thank me later):
    * Keep up the good work on the scrum – and kudos to you – by-and-large, it’s going from strength to strength. By all means chain Tom Robertson to the squat rack as a future investment but keep him away from the 23 for the next year or so against Tier 1 opposition
    * Keep Folau on the right wing – it works, mate
    * Super-sub Beale and Hooper – sometimes less is more and Pocock needs to be managed – his career is going to be prematurely ended with all the attention his neck gets
    * Fix the body height in the maul and maul defence – don’t understand why this isn’t an obvious fix
    * Tell Bernie to stop prioritising his cute set moves over exploiting overlaps – the occasional well-worked try isn’t making up for the endless procession of isolated runners, slow re-cycle, lost opportunities and general confusion
    * Take a leaf out of Ireland’s book and get the two-man flying wedge happening if that’s what it takes for our forwards to punch over the advantage line
    * FFS man – please – no more clearance kicks by from Foley and no box kicks from Genia in our own half – it always ends in pressure on our defence and its so unnecessary with the talent you have elsewhere in the team

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      And stop all this swapping of players in Defence. If they can’t tackle they can piss of and learn and you can bring in someone who does

      • Bernie Chan

        That’s it in a “nutshell” isn’t it…just friggin stand your ground and put your body on the line. Couldn’t understand why Grey (it must be a strategy as he did it often…) had Koroibete standing in, off his wing spot, and shooting up to make the “big hit”. Problem is when he failed to stop the ball movement the Pumas had an easy overlap. Taking off Toomua was daft…meant another positional shuffle and no game manager, as well as 2 channels to protect instead of 1…
        Agree with BL….would watch the Rebels with interest if QC signed…Nasairani and Jones added to the backrow, Sanchez-QC-Toomua-Hodge-DHP in the backs plus a couple of pacey wing options.

        • Brisneyland Local

          I will be working in Melb part of next year. Might be worth tacking out a membership.

        • Bernie Chan

          Better value than our ‘lapsed’ Reds membership…

        • Brisneyland Local

          Amen brother!

        • Bernie Chan

          Hurts to say it though…we’ve got so many QLD Reds jerseys going back to the heavy cotton maroon ones. The lads still wear their QC jerseys though…time to buy a Souths one…and a Rebels #10 if he signs!

        • Brisneyland Local

          Yep we have about 20 Reds Hats, and about 5 jerseies. One billion Reds stickers, bags, kicking tees, key rings. Holy shit we are a one stop Reds merchandising shop!

        • juswal

          eBay that stuff and get some Rebels swag. I’m signing up for sure.

          This will be like bikies patching over to a new gang. Getting the tatts reworked is the hardest part.

        • Bernie Chan

          But…no one’s buying Reds gear at the mo…the market has crashed! Too much supply…no demand…

        • Brisneyland Local

          I tried that. People want me to pay them to take the stuff away! ;-)

        • Bernie Chan

          BL…see the QRU/Reds have re-signed BT for another 4 years! Talk about doubling down…the payout will be massive if the Reds don’t produce results, and soon!

        • Brisneyland Local

          YEp.

  • Human

    Frankly, I felt sorry for Cheika in that interview…to me, he looked and sounded beaten.

    • Brisneyland Local

      Lets hope so. that way he will leave and we can start repairing the place.

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      I got the same impression. Both he and Pocock looked shell shocked. They just seemed to have nothing

  • Brisneyland Local

    Well good morning GAGR’s. After a very interesting week, with much to absorb, I offer up the many deep and profound brain things going on inside my head:
    – QC, I hope he goes to the Rebs. Whether or not he makes it back to the Wallabies set up up is an entire question in itself. But I would like to watch him back in SR. In club and NRC he has been pretty dynamic. So it would be good to have another 10 option pushing the others. Because our 2 current 10’s (Foley and Beale) aren’t cutting it. Any percieved weakness QC has had, surely isnt worse than the two we are playing at the moment. Neither of them can defend, Foley’s attack is insipid, and so is his non-existent kicking game. Beale ran thousands of metres sideways and got falconed twice in one half of rugby. But more competition only breeds better performance. And as long as there is genuine competition with genuine opportunity that is rewarded for it, there is no harm making it open slather.
    – The NRC was good this weekend. A good win by Bris City and Qld Country. The Drua showed when they are not on song they are vulnerable.
    – The Tui incident. To be honest it is a bad look all round. There will always be drunken idiots at the football. Engaging with them in a slanging match is not good, engaging with them in handbags is worse. It shouldnt have happened. Fullstop. Lets hope we can move on.
    – Cheika’s diatribe about the incident is consistent with his other bullshit. Cheika, shut the fuck up and try and unfuck all the other messes you have made in this squad.
    – Well done bokkies. Wasnt that great to watch? that last ten mins had me hanging in my seat. It was what watching rugby is all about. It shows the Kiwi’s can be beaten, and will be a great boost for the Bokkies confidence going forward. well Done. I think the Kiwi’s will go away from that and come back even harder which is the scarier bit.
    – I dont know about you other GAGR’s but I am still blown away by Cheika’s pulling Toomua. And I tell you what if the next squad announced has Foley 10, Beale 12, Toomua bench, I am going to completely lose my shit!

    A big “Hoots points” to Hoss for post of the year on Saturday night. It was pure gold. humour at its best. And to all the other posters for such a wonderful discussion. It is why I come here!

    • Human

      Well said BL…the Toomua thing defies belief at every level. The ‘Boks have done the rest of the world a disservice by poking the bear, I reckon…it’ll be interesting to watch the AB’s respond.

      • Brisneyland Local

        Yeah I agree about poking the bear. I remember sitting down after that game talking with the lads, pondering the future rugby world. My French man sat there and said out loud: “Be wary of a wounded bear!” we all thought about that and looked at the schedule. The Agies play the AB’s next, and Us the Bokkies. Scary all round!

        • Custard Taht

          I am going to go out on a limb and make a bold prediction. The Saffas will beat the Wallabies in the return leg and then go on to win the RC on the back of a 1-3 point win over the All Blacks.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Pffft. Agree with the first but no way on the second :-)

        • Custard Taht

          Success breeds success and winning is contagious….that win was special for them.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Yeah it was. It was also a good lesson for the ABs that they’ll learn from and not make the same mistakes

        • Custard Taht

          Whilst this All Black team is bloody good, I don’t think they are as good as the previous vintage. My gut feel is that the two games against the Wallabies made them look better than they actually are. I also think we were able to drag the Saffas down to our level and then beat them with experience.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          I think they are building to be as good or better, especially when you look at who they lost after the last World Cup. Not sure any other team could handle that change and still grow as well as they have

        • Custard Taht

          Definitely handling the player turn over well, but this year they are vulnerable, next year maybe not so much. When you compare them to the Wallabies, we can’t even handle losing a single key player.

        • first time long time

          KRL the All Blacks for 20 years could pretty much pick a ‘reserve grade’ team that might come second at the RWC luckily they can only pick one team.
          It is interesting to see that they become mortal when one of their key players has an off night.
          Our problem is we are trying to beat them with a couple of key players in key positions not up to scratch every time.

        • Brisneyland Local

          You could be very well right there CT

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Mate I’m with you on QC. Even with his failings he’ll at least challenge both those other two.
      NRC is starting to look like the lead in to Super rugby that is so desperately needed. I hope that it actually produces a couple of flyhalves who can challenge the status quo.
      Nothing Cheika does would surprise me and I’m fully expecting a Genia, Foley, Beale backline in the next game. Toomua is probably feeling that all his work and time spent travelling back is a waste of time with that clown running things. I won’t be surprised if he pulls a funny bone or something and withdraws from the team on medical grounds until the coaching and management team go.

      • Brisneyland Local

        As long as it is a genuine challenge. I.E. if he proves himself worthy he gets a shot. If it is a closed shop. Which in my opinion with Cheika it is, then It is all for naught, Except for us fans who will get to see some interesting SR next year. especially if it is a Rebs 9. Genia, 10 cooper, 12 Toomua. that will be great to watch.

      • Brumby Runner

        NRC is confirming the talent that Andrew Deegan possesses at the Force, but I have to say that Hawera outplayed him on the weekend. Watching Hawera is like watching Quade-lite. He has a real knack of putting support players into and through gaps. His passing game is almost identical, and subject to the same level of intercept risk as Quade was always guilty of.

        Pity Hawera isn’t yet eligible for the Wallabies as that would add another dimension to the No 10 talk.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Mate he’s over here because he couldn’t get a Super gig in NZ. I think you need to raise your standards a bit

        • Ian Rodger

          I would love to see Deegan get a decent run in a super rugby team or if his form is good enough bring him in to the wallaby set up. Even if it is just for the experience.

          I mean Stewart trained with the Wallabies and he’s been pretty poor for the reds.

    • Custard Taht

      I think genia, foley, beale will be back next game and every game there after this year and as long as Cheika is holding the reins. His actions during and explanation after the game have laid the foundations to revert. The only thing that might change is Phipps in for Genia, as Genia doesn’t look to be enjoying rugby.

      • Brisneyland Local

        I agree. I think Genia is over being wound up as tight as a ball. As that is the Cheika methodology.

      • Ed

        Cheika said he thought we kicked too much on Saturday, so replacing Toomua with Foley could be a sign we will be kicking less than what we already do.

    • Ian Rodger

      I was screaming at my tv when cheika pulled Toomua off. How in the ever loving shit can you pull him of when beale was running around like a headless chicken.

      If Cheika puts foley back at 10, beale to 12 and toomua to the bench, i wouldn’t blame Toomua if he said stuff this shit i’m staying in England.

      • Brisneyland Local

        Yep and would understand if he did!

        • Ian Rodger

          100%! Toomua shores up our midfield defense a lot. He runs it straight and hard and he has a good boot on him. If he gets shafted after this game we’re going to be in even deeper shit for the rwc next year.

        • Brisneyland Local

          IR, cant disagree with anything you are saying.

  • Alister Smith

    Looking for a silver lining for this cloud. All I can come up with is that, within a year of losing to the Argentinians in 1983 Australia won it’s first (and only?) Grand Slam a year later. Bob Dwyer lost the coaching job with a winning percentage in the 40’s and Alan Jones took over. So its simple. Bring back AJ, find a few new players with the ability of the Ellas, Farr-Jones, Lynagh, Slack, Gould, Rodriguez, Poidevin, Cody, Tom Lawton and Chris Roche mix and stir and the World Cup is ours.

    • Who?

      What we did after the last loss was to poach one of their props! Can’t really do that anymore…

      • Greg

        agreed. A 10 on the other hand might still be possible :-)

        • Who?

          We could use one, but Cheika wouldn’t pick him. :-P
          And, of course, the real issue is the change in IRB/WR eligibility rules…

        • GeorgiaSatellite

          What wouldn’t we give for another Hugo Porta? I used to love watching him. And hearing Gordon Bray fawning over him.

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