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Monday’s Rugby News sees Pocock claim Player of the year, NRC Finals results, Hodge out for the season, and Cheika has the Boards support.


 

POCOCK WINS SECOND JOHN EALES MEDAL

David Pocock

David Pocock

David Pocock joins George Smith, Israel Folau and Michael Hooper as players who have won multiple John Eales Medals after claiming his second on Friday night.

Pocock had previously won the award in 2010 but 8 eight years, a sabbatical and two long stints in rehab appear to not have slowed the man down.

Pocock received an unfavourable reception by taking a sabbatical in 2017, as he went to study and continue his charitable work in Zimbabwe, taking him away from rugby for 12 months just as he was finding his prime again. Additional stress came when he had a delayed start to the Super Rugby season with an injury.

All that not withstanding, Pocock’s brilliant form on and off the field put him heads and shoulders about his team mates, poling 262 votes.

“I guess everyone’s got their opinion and you make a decision like that and not everyone’s going to be happy,” he said.

“I was a bit apprehensive about it too.

“I felt like it was what I wanted to do but I wasn’t sure if I’d be able to get back into good form and play for the Wallabies again.

“So, to do that is pleasing and very aware of the fact we’ve got another four big games ahead of us and a break going into next year.”

If he can win the award playing out of his regular position, imagine what the man could do actually playing in his preferred position.

Evania Pelite took out women’s Seven’s Player of the Year, after the team was riddled with injuries, and she stepped up for them, and men’s rookie Ben O’Donnell took out men’s Seven’s Player of the Year.

The Tongan Thor, Taniela Tupou walked away with two awards, claiming Super Rugby Player of the Year and Rugby Australia’s Rookie of the Year.

Emily Chancellor has claimed the Women’s XV’s Player of the Year.

See the full list of winners at RUGBY.com.au

WEEKEND RUGBY WRAP UP

Fiji Drua celebrate v Melbourne Rising NRC 2018 (Credit Rugby Australia)

And then there were two.

The Fijian Drua and Queensland Country have booked their tickets to the big dance next weekend in Fiji. It is a momentous occasions for the Drua, their first NRC Grand Final will be played on their home soil, surely a big turn out can be expect.

The reigning premiers Queensland Country will be looking to spoil the island celebrations in their quest to go back to back.

The first match up this weekend was the Drua against the Vikings from Canberra, who were looking to make up for their premiership loss last year with a big win this week.

It was a hard fought contest and despite the dominance from the men from Canberra, the Drua came back to withstand the Viking invasion and secure their first Grand Final. Check out Nathan’s full write up.

With the Drua’s fate secured, it was now onto see who would wanted it more when the Western Force travelled north east to take on Queensland Country. The Force looked to carry their strength and momentum that they have had all season but it appears not even lightening strikes to could spark their performance.

A final quarter blitz saw the Queenslanders claim victory and head over to Fiji next weekend to take on the Drua in what will likely be the match of the season.

Ben covered the game so make sure you check out his match review.

In surprising news, the Aussie Women’s sevens team suffered a shock loss to the USA team in the QF, going down 26-5 against the host nation. They will play England next and if they win they will go on to play for fifth. It is the first time since 2015 that the women’s team hasn’t qualified for the semi-finals.

USA will take on France in Semi-Final 1.

Update:

The Women’s team beat England and now face Ireland at 9:20am AEDT

SEASON OVER FOR HODGE

Wallabies v All Blacks, Suncorp Stadium, 21st October 2017

Wallabies and Melbourne Rebels centre Reece Hodge’s season is done after it was confirmed he has fractured his ankle.

Hodge arrived at the John Eales Medal Awards on Friday night dressed in a moon boot and on crutches after suffering from a training accident. Scans on Saturday confirmed the worst news for the young centre.

Hodge has played in every test for the Wallabies this year, and was looking to have grown out of his Mr Fix-It role and into the consistent spot at outside centre, or in Australian Rugby terms ‘Unlucky No. 13’

Hodgey is currently taking nursing applications. Enquire within.

Michael Cheika has not named a replacement yet but according to Fox Sports, don’t be surprised to see Adam Ashley Cooper don the 13 jersey. Samu Kerevi has been cleared after a successful hit out playing in the Byron Bay sevens over the weekend.

“He’s (Kerevi) got a good block of training under his belt and he is probably a bit underdone but he has a lot of experience as well.

“We will decide once he arrives and we get him on the training paddock whether we think he is in the sort of condition he needs to be to play at least some part this weekend.”

If a straight swap for Kerevi isn’t possible, it may force Cheika to try something creative, picking Israel Folau or even Sefa Niavalu (played 13 for the Rebels a few times). It could be opportunities to see some fresh talent like Jordan Petaia or Tom English get a chance after strong Super and NRC season.

Flanker Angus Cottrell was also ruled out of Bledisloe 3 after straining his medial ligament. The injury was enough to rule him out for Japan but he is still in the squad for the European leg of the tour.

“ABSOLUTE SUPPORT”

2018-Wallabies-v-Ireland-1

Wallabies coach Michael Cheika will have a job until at least the World Cup in 2019 as Rugby Australia chairman Cameron Clyne declares that Cheika has the boards “absolute support.”

These comments came after Cheika delivered a presentation to the board on Friday, after he and the Wallabies have significantly under performed throughout the 2019 international season.

According to Clyne, the meeting was more about how the board can help Cheika find success, as opposed to the public hanging most rugby fans were expecting (or hoping for).

“We’re supporting him absolutely,” he said.

“You have to be unequivocal, that’s the way we’ve been, quite consistent. We’re supporting him absolutely.

“It’s really up to him at the end of the day, it’s his job to coach the team, it’s our job to make sure that we’re providing the sort of resources and support he might need.”

When questioning whether there would be any positional changes, such as the roles of Stephen Larkham or Nathan Grey, or even the adition of an outside selctor like George Greegan, Clyne once again played the politician

“That’s entirely up to Michael,” meaning Cheika can pick his own team and coaches.

“The reality is we support him and we support the structure he’s put in place. You’ve got to allow your coach to pick the team that he’s supporting.

“He’s obviously indicated he’s very comfortable with his coaching structure and we back him with that.”

One thing Cheika did raise was the need for a stronger alignment between the Wallabies and Super clubs.

Clyne tried to put to bed the speculation that the Wallabies record breaking comeback victory in Salta had somehow bought Cheika a stay of execution.

“People are speculating, it certainly wasn’t the board’s view,” he said.

“The board’s view was clearly we were obviously delighted to see that record comeback in Argentina but I think that’s a good example – this team has got extraordinary potential, you can see that.”

 

 

 

  • paul

    Just curious, is that not the first time we have heard from Clyne since the Force debacle. Was that Castle trying to distance herself, you wouldn’t blame her, its your bed mate.

    • Bakkies

      Since he announced the awful annual report in April this year.

  • Brumby Runner

    The team has got extraordinary potential. I agree – it’s a pity they don’t have the leaders to realise that potential.

  • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

    I hope RA have already been on the phone to Jamie Joseph about 2020 to 2023.

    • Jason

      Mate, I don’t think there is any top coach going around right now who wouldn’t jump at a chance to get the Wallabies job. I actually think we could even do better than Jamie Joseph!

      • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

        Who would you prefer? Other than perhaps Wayne Smith, Joseph would personally be my first choice.

        Schmidt is probably going to have results about as good, but I think Schmidt’s teams are far more structured, while Joseph’s play what’s in front of them a tad more…

      • Bakkies

        Well Jake White has put his hand up again. Politics in the RA is child’s play compared to what he put up with at the Boks.

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        Sorry Jason I’m not so sure that a lot would want a job where there is so much player power and so many ex players influencing things. I think for anyone to take this on he or she would need to be able to make some pretty drastic changes that may not be palatable to RA

    • idiot savant

      Haha yes I saw that piece on The Roar defending the ‘total support for Cheika and his assistants’ line as sending a message to prospective coaches so that we can ensure we get quality applicants. Now that had to have been written by the social media unit at Rugby Australia. No sign of that kind of propaganda on this site!

  • andrewM

    Clyne saying Cheika has their ‘absolute support’?? We’ve heard that one before – time for him to dust off the cv me thinks.

    • Jason

      You should apply for the job… can’t do any worse.

      • andrewM

        Suppose being the assistant assistant coach to the local under 14’s counts for something

        • John Tynan

          If RA was REALLY into grassroots rugby, you’d be a shoe-in.

  • Nutta

    Congratulations David Pocock. Honestly the guy challenges even bitter old cynics like me to be a better man.

    With Hodge out I wonder if young Jordan P from Qld Country may get a shot at 13? I’m normally against teenagers being thrown in early, but his showing on the weekend was seriously mature, powerful stuff. Even a grass-muncher like me can see that guys ability. And he seems a fairly humble guy to-boot so I expect no missed buses or mid-flight tantrums on that front. Clearly not a walk-up Wobbly 13 straight off but surely a seat on the bus for the experience at least? And the Force No9 is a good footballer who can kick goals…

    On ABC news radio this morning I heard Chek answer a journalist question around pressure on his assistant coaches. The nastiness of his response was almost Trump-esque. He basically accused the journalist of fake-news, that journo’s had it in for his staff because his assistants perhaps didn’t ring somebody back at some stage and then reverse-launched an ‘I have faith in people’ comment thereby alluding the journo did not. For a number of years I have resisted the calls of opponents over Chek the Clown commentary and defended him as a guy showing passion. But garbage like I heard this morning means By God he is starting to make this hard. I nearly expected a self-affirming “So true. So true” and a random “Huge”. That said, I wasn’t there and perhaps he had been badgered to the point of stupidity.

    Again we see the RA staking the coach out on his lonesome. Let’s be crystal clear in this; the RA commentary is consistent in that the RA has been all about Teflon and reinforcing Cheks carte blanche of-late so that he owns the outcome come-what-may. This may be Cheks comeuppance for the ‘Total Control’ he negotiated after Link walked and no other bastard would touch the job after seeing first Dingo and then Link get shanked by gutless administration being overcome in their fawning towards ‘critical’ players. Now I get that the politics of negotiation comes back around, but the continual absence of talk of the production line of next-gen players, no talk of clear pathways, no talk of clear & communicated vision with community buy-in, no acknowledgement of where Twiggyball fits into the medium term etc etc is doing no one any favours. I expect this sort of age-old behaviour in general lifecycle circumstances be they business or politics.

    But in-case you missed it, these ain’t normal circumstances.

    I’ve only been kicking around rugby 40odd years so my perspective is limited, but I have not ever seen the level of general discourse so low, depressed and discouraged. I mean a web-site so up-beat as this didn’t even have a post-match report on our last Wobbly test. I don’t recall when I saw that before. That’s not a criticism of G&GR – it’s folk doing something they love for free – but it’s an observation of the low ebb of the general mood around our game atm.

    And in the midst of that, there is no leadership coming from RA. All I see & hear is just more plausible-deniability jockeying for life after the coming Bill. That says one of two things: either there is no plan, or I’m not important enough to be included in that plan. Now if RA don’t appreciate the ramifications of either of those options, well there’s no point getting upset because we are already fkd my friends.

    I’ll tell you what RA – and this is coming from a lifelong coalition voter – take a good hard look at Wentworth by-election over the weekend and ask how in fks name does a group manage to destroy a 15-18% ascendancy in a world where a 5% swing is considered massive? How does a group we already don’t expect much from, somehow manage to be so far up their own arses as to blow a lead that significant? By being even more backward looking, self interested and disconnected from the people they apparently represent – that’s how. By being more interested in feathering their own nest that they don’t even realise that their fkn tree is on-fire. This is Nero fiddling stuff. It may well be a case-study in years to come.

    Happy Monday.

    • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

      Cheika’s responses to questions are either to treat the questioner like a moron – taking him as a mug – to be condescending, or to be nasty or aggressive.

      Agree on Petaia. Draft him and Tom English into the squad and have them compete for the 13 jersey.

      Queensland country are fucked if he doesn’t play though.

      • Nutta

        QldC clearly rely on him. It would be tragic if the guy was yanked now. Championships are rare and participation should be treated as sacrosanct. Which is why I sort of half-expect him to get yanked now!

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          I hope he plays at 13 with Kerevi at 12 next year. That’s a bloody scary midfield to defend against.

        • Nutta

          I can’t believe I’m actually writing this in an Australian scenario, but in young Hamish the Qld franchise has a defending-10 who may cover Kerevi at 12’s defensive frailties! if JP is a solid, rounded defender then that may work.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          Kerevi made something like 85% of tackles at 12. The myth of his defensive frailties there is exactly that, a myth. He isn’t a great defender at 13, but he did his job vs Ireland despite two turnstiles at 10 and 12 in Foley and Beale. At 12 he defends very solidly.

          I think he was the most successful Australian at 12 this year after Godwin, who was a defensive machine.

        • Nutta

          I’m being a bit tongue in cheek. Kerevi at 12 is good. Not at 13. And i know opinion is a bit split but I like that young Hamish guy at 10. Has guts and seems to have a pretty good head on his shoulders.

        • Damo

          Not the full package yet but he displays all the tools needed to be a good 10, and he seems to love tackling.

        • Hoss

          Ex Loosie as a Junior – loves the contact – also kicks for goals like an ex loosie.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          So crap. Although the first and last points Zinzan Brooke ever scored for the ABs were dropped goals

        • Hoss

          I did one of those Corporate Junkets a few years back to the Shaky Isles mate and Frano Botica was the, not tour guide, but kind of Ambassador for the trip – the stories he told me of Brookes skills and Shelford’s toughness were insane. There wasn’t much of him and he decided to take me down a peg in a bourbon drinking game in Queenstown. Bet its the only time hes worn a Wallaby Jersey to a pub the next nite…..

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Gold. I friggen had to wear one in my Army uniform once

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          At 13 he’s okay, but nothing to suggest he will ever be a star defender there. I like Stewart’s guts and defence, but he has been very limited in attack and game management so far. Still young though, lots of time to improve.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Mate I think Kerevi’s failings have been overstated by having to cover Foley, Beale and Koriobete as well as playing out of position at 13. He is actually quite a good defender at 12 but the skills needed at 13 don’t suite him. It was the same with Nonu but no one cried about him

      • idiot savant

        An 18 year old with little experience to play his first test against the All Blacks? Thats the very deep end. I cant see much upside.

        • Human

          I can only say,….Tim Horan.

        • Who?

          Very different era… You’d have been better off saying James O’Connor (as in, someone this century, and during the professional era).

        • Human

          Yes, a different era…but why does that matter? JOC is not as memorable as Horan, but a good point. I still think that if they are good enough, they are old enough.

        • Who?

          It matters because you’re talking about players who are much bigger and stronger than they ever were. Players don’t need to be thrown in against seasoned professionals when they’re physically not ready. We’re talking about Hanigan needing more meat on his bones, then we’re talking about throwing an 18 year old to the wolves. Let him harden up a bit first – you don’t burn players by debuting them too late, only by debuting them too early.
          Referring to JOC, I’m then pointing out how rare these sorts of early debuts should be, and how much of a risk they are. You need to be a special talent – once in a generation sort of thing – to justify the risk. Petaia, according to some on here, is a late bloomer. He wasn’t in the First XV at his Rugby school. So why not let him have a little more time? Why damage him by playing him in a game that we’re going to lose regardless of anything else? What gain is there in that? Better to let someone older, harder, deal with it.

        • Alister Smith

          I agree Who?. I think we only need to pick a player as young as that when his form is such that he can no longer be denied and he’s clearly better than all other alternatives. Jordan P is going very well but I don’t think it will benefit him to expose him too early. Another season in NRC and Super Rugby will allow him to develop and tell us a bit more about him.

        • Who?

          “He’s clearly better than all other alternatives.”
          That’s a great line, and very relevant. We’re all forgetting that he was on the wing for the vast majority of this super season, and only moved in to 13 because of injuries to more experienced players. Without those injuries, we wouldn’t have a clue if he could play 13.

        • disqus_NMX

          I agree with both sides of this argument. No need to rush in an 18 yr old and break him against hardened men. And well, if he is good enough, then he is good enough, and he is already playing against hardened men.

          I’d add a third argument though, and that is I don’t want to see him broken by Cheika’s coaching! Let’s wait until we have a fresh start to bring in a 9-10-12-13 of Genia, QC, Toomua, Petaia. That’s a lethal backline, but it needs a coach who can handle it!

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Good point

        • Damo

          An aside. JOC played 13 for Sale on the weekend in their big win over Connacht. Be interesting to see if they leave him there (he has been playing wing/15) and how it develops. He does have good footwork and he can tackle. However I haven’t heard much more about him coming back to Oz in 19.

        • Journeymandela

          Who? J Petaia a late bloomer? Get some facts right before you post. Kid played 2 yrs in 1st XV as a 16&17yr old. Made Australian schoolboys Baa Baas at 16 and Aust schoolboys in 2017. Having played against men(AB’s & Boks stars and held his own), I think the kid will be fine. Brad Thorn threw him in and didnt disappoint at all. “If youre good enough youre old enough”. On the other hand, JOC *1.8m & 90 kgs) was a minuture version of J P(1.90m & 103kg). Cometh the hr cometh the man. But perhaps NOT against the AB’s in Japan Id leave him for the EOYT.

        • Who?

          Ok, clearly my reading of others’ posts on here with better access to Brisbane GPS is mistaken. I’m sure I read somewhere on Friday someone saying they had no confidence he’d be a Super player this year based off what they saw a couple of years ago.
          But given what you’re saying, I’m happy to change my stance on ‘late bloomer’.
          I just don’t see any value in throwing a promising young player into a team in disarray that’s going to be smashed by the best team in the world – and I think, given your statement about not the ABs, you agree with me on that. :-)

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          I don’t see the harm in giving him some minutes, even if it is off the bench and on the wing. He’d be a better player for it, and coming on off the bench he wouldn’t get smashed nearly as much.

        • GO THE Q REDS

          I see it as playing our best players NOW. If you hold your own in Super rugby your ready. The wallabies can’t afford NOT to have the best players in the team.

        • Who?

          I don’t know that having our best players will make a lick of difference when our game plan is shot. And I’m not sure he’s our best player. He’s not the best 13 at the Reds – CFS was playing 13 most of the season, sharing it with Kerevi. That puts him at #3 for the Reds, at best. He may get there, but there’s no rush. Mortlock didn’t nail down the 13 until 2003, and he’s one of our best ever in the role.
          In the meantime, better to let him grow and hope he can be all that without the pressure of being dumped into Cheika’s mess.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          I think playing 13 and 6 are different enough that the comparison is negligible. I think he’d be fine

        • GO THE Q REDS

          But if he statistically is allready a standout against and amoung those same Scary international players spattered amoung all the Super teams he plays all year. .. he’s obviously doing something right allready.

        • Hoss

          Amen and at 190cm and 105kgs – this kids built for it.

          Unleash the dogs of war.

        • Nutta

          I know I give Brand a flogging at near every opportunity, but jeez I lament the loss of a truly gifted footballer. It’s a shame such talent had to mix with such ego and such youth to wind up a punchline in how not to behave.

        • Hoss

          Bradman faced Larwood at 20.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Kirwan was 18

        • Who?

          But he had blokes like Ponsford up the order from him to take some of the battering. He walked into a strong team. It’s easier to debut blokes young when the rest of the team is strong.

        • Hoss

          let me tell you, when your on face to 145km thunderbolts – Jehovah himself could be at the non-strikers end – it’s you, the Kookaburra and approx .85 of a second to respond. Great players are born in the furnace of great adversity. Let him loose.

        • Who?

          True, but the point was that if he got a pair, it wasn’t the end of the world. As he wasn’t expected to carry the team. Whereas if Petaia’s picked, he’s expected to secure and coordinate the defensive line, given he’ll be alongside Foley, Beale, Koroibete (who can hit, but has no clue about when to hit)… It’s a hiding to nothing. Very high risk.

        • Hoss

          All true mate, in a perfect world your suggestions are 100% right, but we live on Planet Segal – it’s worth a trial, even a cameo of 25 minutes from Pineville.

        • Alister Smith

          about when to hit …and more often than not who to hit

        • GO THE Q REDS

          As far as I’m concerned, all the “prospective” and hopeful Wallaby centres are in the same NRC competition that he’s in. If he’s a stand out amongst even them, and he shows a legitimate maturity… he’s ready to go. What’s the use of using some older more experienced player who potentially has worse defensive stats and is not as dynamic/threatening, simply because of a number on his birth cert. Probably 80% of people thought Tongan Thor would take years to mature as a front rower.. ….giving him zero chance in hell of competing on the world stage this year. He’s ALLREADY one of the world’s best

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    • Brumby Runner

      Nutta, I am totally impressed with Petaia. No shenanigans at all when he scores a try. No swan dive or after try dance, shark fin on the head or overt celebration at all. Just a proper touch down with the ball, and get on with the job. I look forward to the day we can say the same about all of our Wallabies and SR players.

    • Happyman

      Nutta off the long run this morning.

      Mate it is difficult not to agree with everything that you have said. I firmly believe that MC is a good coach but his loyalty to people who do not have the capacity to perform at this level is an issue. One thing that I have always lived by is that the buck stops with the persona at the top. If the people below you cannot perform it is your fault for employing them as you gave them the responsibility of a position beyond the capabilities of that individual. If you made that mistake own it make changes and move on.

      RA are just a bunch of total fools. The real issues INHO hark back to the Brumbies of 04 when player power got rid of the coach (Nucifora) who is now running Ireland so well. The players involved in that night of the long knives were Kafer, Gregan, Larkham. so the seeds planted then are being reaped as they are now in positions of influence.

      The way that Rugby administration in general treat its stakeholders is a textbook on how to run a sport into the ground.

      Re Petaia I saw him play school a couple of years ago and thought he was good but if you had said to me then he would play for Qld this year and be on the verge of Wallaby selection I would have called the men in white coats. Having said that on performance he is worth the airfare. JHE has just looked capable at every step and could end up being world class.

      • Silver Ghost

        You missed another key protagonist in the ‘night of the long knives’ – AAC. And who’s back now that Kafer, Larkham and Gregan are having greater influence? Surprise Surprise AAC.
        He’s a shoe-in for the spring tour.
        Besides – he trains really well and gives his all!
        Heaven help us.

        • Adrian

          Exactly Silver.
          The really hidden Mafi are the ex-Brumbies. Beware all who think it’s all about the Tahs. Let’s not forget that Byrne works in some complicated arrangement that involves Kafer, and that AAC was one of them too.

          Still, not sure he will make WC

        • Silver Ghost

          Interestingly Adrian, one of the other protagonists was Owen Finegan (who was involved with NSW Country). Waiting to see his name pop up as forwards coach!!

        • Adrian

          IMO Cheika has withstood the pressure from these guys and Foxtel, who have been defacto running the game since Pulver arrived. They now have Castle, who will be different.

          She and they both wanted Cheika on the carpet, but for different reasons. To some degree they “captured” her, but not anymore. Clyne did the talking I note.

          I think Cheika survived, but won’t forget.

          He’ll do different stuff alright, but it won’t be what Kafer wants, which was to install Gregan. IMO, Kafer likes to be seen as the brains behind everything, and be seen to be defacto Godfather.

          I reckon that Cheika would be beginning to see that his assistants aren’t delivering, but he won’t bag them. Bernie sits there looking like Bernie and saying nothing.

          I’m expecting some actual coaching from Cheika to go with the motivation.ie Cheika being Cheika

          I’m more interested in the tactics this week than the selections

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Mate Chieka hasn’t got any tactics. He’s all about more mongrel and go harder. He’s a great motivator and the sort of bloke that is likeable but he’s too limited in his coaching style to be effective.

        • Adrian

          Can’t agree KRL.

          He has one style, and one style only.

          It’s big heavy runners up the guts to keep the defence on the backfoot. Requires very quick ball for next runner. Back up the heavy runners with a flat backline operating from #12 to angled runners.

          Has been used only 3 times with Wallabies. Once v Wales in 2016, once v Wales in 2017 and 2nd half v Argentina last week. Used by Tahs numerous times.

          That’s it. It’s what I call Cheika being Cheika.

          Very simple, and works best when the opposition know it’s coming.

          Requires players like Skeleton, Palu, Potgieter, Kepu, TPN, Latu.

          In the current context it’s Kepu, Latu, Alaalatoa, Tuopo.

          The players alone don’t make it happen, it’s a tactic. Kepu realised this last week, and showed Cheika what was possible.

          Cheika might learn

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          People always talk about how Cheika loves big heavy runners, but then he never picks a proper number 8 and leaves perhaps our best backrow ball-runner in Timu out of the squad.

          I just find his selections totally baffling…

        • Adrian

          That’s exactly it.

          I think he selects, but doesn’t coach unless he gets angry

        • Who?

          It’s quite arguable that, if a bloke has such a limited range of tactics as a coach, then perhaps running a national team is beyond his capacity. A national coach should be far more flexible and capable than that.

        • GO THE Q REDS

          Exactly. Perfect eg is BRad Thorns unwillingness/inability to work/coach with an enigmatic player like Quade Cooper. Whether it was personal or not it shows a distinct marker in the sand limiting his coaching skills as MAXED out. No further should a coach like that climb.
          Similar with Cheika. If he can’t show he’s a master at tactics in coaching, then he shouldn’t be anywhere near what should be a top 3 Rugby nation in the world.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          He doesn’t know how to learn mate, or if he does he hasn’t shown any of us that ability. I agree he does only know one style of play, I just wouldn’t call one style of play, that the ABs will easily negate I might add, tactics.
          If anything it demonstrates a complete lack of tactical acumen.

        • Adrian

          Why not try it anyway?
          Previous “tactics” v NZ have been mostly no tactics at all

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          That is true and I’m not saying it shouldn’t happen. As you say it is what he knows best

        • HK Red

          Amen brother!

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Mate Chieka hasn’t got any tactics. He’s all about more mongrel and go harder. He’s a great motivator and the sort of bloke that is likeable but he’s too limited in his coaching style to be effective.

        • Brumby Runner

          Adrian, you really do have a warped mind. Do you actually still believe Cheika is capable of providing some actual coaching?

      • GO THE Q REDS

        I really don’t see how you could rate him as a good coach with that extremely debilitating selection issue he has you mention. That alone put a strike through his name for me. …

    • idiot savant

      When will journalists learn? Rugby Union is not like other sports. Its simply not appropriate to ask rugby officials from the board to the coach questions about performance. What are they thinking?

      • Nutta

        I know! Never played at that level and so not worthy of having such questions asked yeh? Anyone would think that a group who gave themselves 75% in their annual self-review was beyond being held to any account whatsoever.

      • Bakkies

        Especially when there are failed bankers in charge with no self awareness.

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        Gold

    • Singapore Sling

      If I had any doubt that Cheika is a dickhead (never did) that abc interview this morning sealed it. He is a totally classless, petulant clown.

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Great ramble mate and some very worthy points.

      I agree on Jordan P but can’t see this bunch of misfits having the vision to be anywhere near anything like him coming on board.

      I think your paragraph about the mood of the supporters is spot on. It’s almost like everyone has resigned themselves to the car crash that’s coming. I also have not seen for sometime the depth of despair that the supporters in Australia, and elsewhere, are displaying about the state of the game here. It’s pretty sad actually.

    • Hoss

      Afternoon master Nutta.

      Spot-bloody-on.

      I heard the interview on AM this morning and thought ‘what an obnoxious turd’ – yes, the final cut of the interview may not have been complimentary (we will never know), but it was more of ‘Segal-speak’. He goes straight for the circular speak of ‘trust and backing’ and all his usual crap.

      At one stage and i paraphrase, he says ‘are you one of the knockers who only thinks we so well when we win’ – now, i have heard some Dorothy Dixers in my time, but that Journo should have been on that like an independent in Wentworth……….
      Journo – ‘well, yes Steven, that’s exactly the KPI most would expect as opposed to say, i dunno, 3 from 9 so far for 2018 with the real chance of us finishing at 4 from 13. When i was at school Steve, i have to tell you that 4/13 in any test i undertook would be a fail, a fail by any measure and not just a fail, but an epic fucking fail Steve’

      Go to the link and listen yourself

      https://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/am/wallabies-coach-stands-by-staff-despite-lacklustre-results/10403062

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        What a cock

        • Hoss

          ‘Mate I believe in people in advance’…..and on the evidence long after they prove they are useless as well.

          This from a national coach of a dwindling code rapidly alienating its few remaining followers.

          Shrewd.

        • GO THE Q REDS

          Mate you’ll hit the mark more often if you stick to that available evidence first. …..then let em EARN respect. It should t be free.. . . ever. Perfect examples are Cheika and Brad Thorn. … ..both who unfortunately appear to be cashing in heavily on previously earned respect……and doing rather damaging things with it… ..

    • joy

      The Liberals lost their majority 11 years ago when Turnbull knifed King – I think it was. The vote on Saturday reflected the true completion of the electorate and it isn’t Liberal.

      • Who?

        I think it’s liberal, but the Liberals are being pushed away from their traditional wide spread to a harder right wing… The party’s leaving the electorate, not the other way.
        Interesting given it’s the home of Moore Park and so many Wallabies…

  • phil peake

    Good call Dylan. Tom English should be given a chance at 13. The selectors keep looking beyond what we actually need there. We just need someone that will do the 13 role well there. Tom English is exactly that player – he will make good reads in defence, pass well, do the work in contact, clean out well, tackle well, and allow the outside backs to shine. He’s also a leader and he never gives up. That none of the experts can see this says a lot about them.

    • Brumby Runner

      Surely Sione Tuipoluto is preferred as 13 over Tom E by the Rising. Is Tom really the 13 we need?

      • phil peake

        My take is that’s the Rising wanting to have a look at Tuipoluto at 13 more than him being better than Tom. Tom’s already proven himself at Super Rugby level.
        I forgot to mention Tom is also the strong powerful runner we need and at 96kg he’s quick! And he makes good decisions. All good traits for a Test 13.

      • GO THE Q REDS

        Nope.. . . he’s just had a few things go his way and all of a sudden all the arm chair specialists who never uttered his name before are lauding him as if he’s long over due. .. .. we can do better then English at 13 1million%

        • phil peake

          Personally I’ve been suggesting he gets a shot at 13 for the Wallabies for a long time now. He’s shown very good form for 6 seasons at the Rebels and for me he’s stood out when the team performed poorly. He maintained his position after the merge and even captained the team. I think he has the maturity to play that position well at Test level. And importantly not overplay the position. Petaia has shown talent but I’d rather with the World Cup next year they go with someone that already proven themselves and will handle the pressure.

  • Adrian

    Thanks Dylan,…good write–up again.

    Interesting that Curtis Rona isn’t included in any of the speculation about a Hodge replacement.

    Not much form in NRC I guess

    Assuming he won’t appear and the squad won’t change, I’d go with Kerevi straight away.

    I’d also fly Petia and Paia’aua from Fiji to Yokohama immediately after NRC on Saturday to sit on the pine on Sunday

    • Dylan Langes

      I don’t think Rona’s style of play makes him stand out, I watched him a few times in the NRC and notice that he goes alone too often and gets isolated. My concern is they rush Kerevi back too soon and he isn’t up to the test.

    • idiot savant

      Bold as usual Adrian! A long flight the day before is a recipe for a hamstring tear though. Im surprised he hasn’t called for Rona. Samu is likely to be underdone but maybe hes got 50 minutes in him. Then Izzy can move in one with Banks going to wing.

      • Adrian

        Out of everyone there, I’d use Naivalu myself idiot. Just not sure about Izzy in the line,…but he wasn’t bad with Tahs at 13 in 2017…for 4 matches I think

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Mate he was very poor as a 13. No distribution skills, doesn’t know where to go on the field in defence, can’t tackle, won’t be in a position to receive kicks and it cuts down on his space. Hope he plays 13 against us

        • GO THE Q REDS

          Sounds a bit like Anton Lientert Brown hey.. . ….average player who sliped into the big league and actually does OK with ABs around him.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Bit harsh on Brown mate. He’s not No1 that’s for sure but he does well off the bench and at least he knows how to play centre

        • GO THE Q REDS

          I actually would do the same thing. Sefa is undoubtedly a big game player and has performed very well in his limited Gold jerseys to date. . ..

  • Greg

    Bad luck for Hodge,

    The backup 10 was either Hodge or Beale. We know that Beale is better at 12 or 15 rather than 10…. who is the back up now?

    • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

      Israel Folau?

      • Greg

        On a wing and a prayer?

        • Brisneyland Local

          Lots of prayers!

        • Nutta

          Thoughts & prayers.

        • Funk

          Isn’t that BT’s coaching style????

        • Brisneyland Local

          Allegedly!

        • Custard Taht

          Oh man how fitting…..those are lyrics straight out the theme song for “The Greatest American Hero”.

          Now we have The Million Dollar man Lee Majors and the Greatest American Hero Ralph Hanley in the wallabies.

        • Who?

          Isn’t it also Campo’s biography..? Or was it some one else?

        • Custard Taht

          Not sure tbh.

        • Nutta

          Twas

        • Bakkies

          Train Without A Station?

        • Brumby Runner

          Missed but not forgotten.

    • Geoffro

      Who is the back up 13? Hypothetically,if Hodge hadn’t hurt himself prior and were injured in the first 5 mins of the AB test in Yokohama who slots into 13.Folau,Banks,Maddocks ?Now it looks like Kerevi is going to be fast tracked back from injury,mistake.Beale is the only backup 10 now-how silly is that.AAC, dust off your gold jersey mate.

    • GO THE Q REDS

      There never really has been a back up for 10. All year it should have been Maddocks, with Folou the 13 cover. Both played decent notable rugby in those positions(and not just “in highschool”) aswell as a limited disruption on other positions. They subbed Foley on the other week and THE WHOLE backline reshuffled. I swear I heard Clown music. .. …

    • Parker

      Don’t need one. Foley can withstand anything, even a prolonged loss of form and a kicking disability.

  • Bakkies

    That’s what the Wallabies need someone who is there not to be popular. He cleaned out a lot of the players that were causing problems at the Brumbies rather than keeping them there and hoping they will learn on a so called second chance, which is the Australian way.

    • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

      Yep, I’d be happy with Jake White as next coach of the Wallabies. Did a great job at the Brumbies, and, agree with his job at the Brumbies. Also brought through a lot of very good young players at the Boks. Good eye for talent.

      • Brumby Runner

        He was also very innovative in the way he managed the team. Introduced breakfast for the squad on training days and had a chef prepare the meals for the players. Knocked down walls in the old clubhouse to build better facilities. I’m sure most professional coaches now do much of what he introduced at the Brumbies, but I’d expect he would come up with more innovations were he to land the Wallabies job.

        • Bakkies

          He also brought back the community culture that the team had then drifted away from. The fans saw that and haven’t returned to support the team in the stands.

  • Who?

    Well done Pocock on his John Eales Medal win.
    I’ve seen it reported that Pocock’s nearest rival was Lukhan Tui, on 139 votes. That’s huge, given Pocock only played half the tests in the voting period. The article which reported that Pocock was so far clear was making reference to Hooper – Pocock played half the Tests for 262 votes, Hooper played all the Tests for 80 votes. The article questioned – as Dylan does above – how anyone could justify playing Hooper at 7 when a bloke playing half the games and out of position gets more than triple his votes.
    But what’s noted is that Pocock isn’t the only player to have played half Hooper’s Tests for the voting period, to have played them out of position, and to have outscored Hooper. And that player is another out of position openside. Sean McMahon polled 89 votes for his half of the John Eales Medal voting period. I hadn’t noted anyone saying Hooper was significantly out of form – not this year, not last year. But if he’s not out of form, why such a massive drop in points, in a position that dominates voting in the John Eales Medal (hasn’t it been won 7 times by opensides?)..?

    • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

      I think Hoopeer has been exceedingly average since he was injured in the third Irish test. He was rushed back prematurely perhaps, but he has still done little.

      Sean McMahon was clearly our best back-rower last year. Tragedy that he left.

      • Who?

        But that’s less than half the length of the John Eales Medal voting period…
        Pocock and McMahon played basically the same number of Tests, and Pocock has basically triple McMahon’s votes – shows just how dominant he’s been in the voting.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          I’ve never been as enamoured by Hooper as some. In fact, I suspect that if he had been playing for Queensland and Gill for the Waratahs that their respective fortunes might have been reversed.

          It is interesting see how much his votes in the JE medal have declined given how dominant he, Foley and Folau were for years. I do think that Hooper’s performances have declined since the rwc, and expect them to do so further as he loses speed, which he is so reliant on.

          Mind you, I am intensely sceptical of how well Tui did as, as much as he is a very talented player, he was unfairly being played out of position at 6 by Cheika, and his speed was found wanting.

        • John Miller

          DB, I know that a few notable commentators have done a hatchet job on Tui as a loose forward with “speed” being presented as the key issue. From recollection, the evidence provided across the articles included a few context-less video clips of the fastest flyhalf in world rugby (BB) burning several Wallabies forwards (with Tui amongst those) and a few stills indicating reload times.

          Across the same games, one could easily have done a comparative analysis of Tui’s collisions won, metres made in tight, set piece work, solid cleanouts, and some – quite amazing – subtle touches and offloads in traffic. All of the things the Wallabies have sacrificed in sticking with the flawed Pooper model.

          If we are supposed to have two flying opensides taking up 66% of the backrow, why so much need for the remaining player to be a speedster? Where were the other two loosies? Poey’s tackle stats and completion rates seem to indicate he was doing what was expected.

          Wallabies players seem to have valued the unsubtle, unsexy, forward-focused grunt work Tui has been doing at 6. I tend to agree – particularly given who Cheika has selected him to play with.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          Because he missed too many tackles that conceded points through no fault of his own – because he just doesn’t have the speed to stop breaks from opposition loosies and backs.

        • John Miller

          No denying Tui had some poor moments to go along with his good ones – early in matches in particular he seems to have had butter fingers in some early exchanges. And he certainly isn’t Ardie Savea-esque in a 40 metre sprint. But I don’t think he’s missing tackles that Hannigan is making – if you watched Ned ambling about without breaking into a sprint as a South African cruised through the gainline and across the tryline, his pace looked identical to Tui’s – and he is supposedly chosen for speed, workrate and reload. At least from Tui, we get impact and effectiveness in the tight exchanges, set piece and breakdown.

          To be clear, I don’t see Tui as the best 6 running around for the Wallabies. But the capabilities he is lending provides the hard edge the Wallabies have been requiring due to the ridiculous Pooper alignment. Take out Hooper, no Tui required. And yet still, his team mates at least rate the work he has been doing.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          I don’t think Hanigan should be in the squad, let alone the 23.

        • John Miller

          I’m with you there DB

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Ned’s the golden child mate. He’d make more distance lying on the ground than he’d ever make running the ball up

        • GO THE Q REDS

          So Tui gets the chop but Foley’s numerous missed tackles leading directly to tries multiple times this year still have him at 10? CRAZY. .. .stinks of protectionist double standard racket rubbish.. …

      • Dylan Langes

        The money that RA are paying Hooper could have kept McMahon and Gill in Australia, both of them are better than Hooper in my opinion.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Concur!

        • SuckerForRed

          So BLL, have you booked your flight to Fiji yet?

        • Brisneyland Local

          SFR, well this is where I have to come clean and admit my total and unmitigated fuck up! I got my scheduling wrong. The Grand Final and the Australian Moto GP happen to coincide.
          As we speak I am loading up my bike, and am about to launch on a three day ride down to Phillip Island. To watch the GP, then Ride home. I have already committed to this trip from 12 months ago. And this is what happens when I am allowed to run my calendar instead of my EA. She keeps me in order, where as I am just a total screw up!
          However my place the Island does have Foxtel so will definitely be watching the Final.
          I am very disappointed, I so want to go to F1J1.
          Infact I wanted to get a group of us GAGR’s to go.
          I am being slated very heavily on Whats App and Viber by my Fijian friends, who are questioning my parents marital status prior to my birth!
          Are you going?

        • SuckerForRed

          What is the good of you?! Currently looking a flights………

        • Brisneyland Local

          I did check them out. They are about circa $900 a return Ex Brissy. Let me know if you are going? I can point to point you with some of the Cuzzy Bro’s in Fiji who will spoil you rotten.

        • Happyman

          Mate start early and organise it for next year I reckon you could get a group. Say Drua v prob QLD country next year.

        • Brisneyland Local

          That sounds like a very good Plan.
          Who is up for a GAGR Rugby trip to Fiji next year?

        • Happyman

          Keen might forgo HK7’s in lead of Fiji

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Dork

        • Brisneyland Local

          Looks like it. Oh well, blasting off for the island soon. Going to have a sore ass that is for sure.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Ride safe mate

        • Brisneyland Local

          MAte I am an old man and I ride like one too!

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          I tend to agree. And certainly they were going to age better than Hooper as they had more complete games that relied less on speed.

          But you know what? They don’t play for Waratahs. I try to avoid blaming NSW for everything but it does seem in this case that there is always a major push for NSWs captain and 7 to be the national captain and 7.

          The worst ever was when those in NSW were for years trying to argue that Waugh – a pretty good player – should be national captain and starting 7 over Smith – perhaps our greatest ever Wallaby and likely our best ever 7. In Deans’ biography he spoke about how he had to push very hard agains JON not to have Waugh instated as captain as Deans didn’t think he was a good enough player. Hooper at 7 and captain over Pocock runs a close silver though.

      • Singapore Sling

        Hooper’s been leaning on his shovel since he signed his new deal.

        • John Miller

          Actually, Hooper was leaning on crutches following his first major, long-term leg injury at the time of signing his mammoth deal. Somewhat ironic for a player whose total reliance is upon “speed” (not outside back-esque, out-and-out “gas” of course – as has been clearly shown by some modest end of movement efforts in the tramlines – just good speed for a forward).

    • Dylan Langes

      When you look at it, Hooper isn’t our best 7, he isn’t our best Captain, and he isn’t out best player, yet he is now one of the highest paid players in the southern hemisphere. He actually out earns any All Black player. What is going to happen next year when Isi Naisarani (a true No.8) becomes eligible? Do when then play Pocock at 6 to keep Hooper in a Gold jersey?

      • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

        Then Jack Dempsey, Luke Jones, Rob Valetini and Caleb Timu all miss out also…

        • Funk

          add in Jed Holloway as well.

        • Dave P

          you are all mising our best 6, Ned Hannigan. What happens to him?

      • Human

        He could be angling for a return to the days of the Captain-Coach.

      • Parker

        That Hooper is being paid more than any All Black is a very telling indicator of the distortion in Oz rugby. Clear evidence that reward is not performance based, rather connections and likeability are valued more highly than productivity. E, how you say, “old boys’ network”. Nothing kills talent more quickly than discouraging it by rewarding qualities that are not germane to the tasksat hand.

    • Rebels3

      Wait, so you are using the John Eales medal to justify why a 2x previous winner shouldn’t be in the team. And then claim the guy who polled all these votes in a position he should be moved from to replace the 2x winners position?

      • Who?

        I know, it’s inconsistent, except that another bloke playing out of position in the backrow polled a bucketload of points. I can’t recall Tui doing much last year, can’t recall him getting many caps. This year, he’s played most of the Tests, and picked up 139 points (not saying they’re all this year, but they’d be largely this year) at 6. So we’ve got two blokes playing out of position picking up nigh on 400 points in 9 Tests, and a guy playing in his primary role in a position which is always a focus gaining barely over a 5th of the points.
        Having won the JEM in the past doesn’t mean you’re in form this year.
        And I don’t think anyone other than coach clueless would say that Pocock’s playing a true #8 game. The rest of us know that he’s playing more of a #7 game, but packing down at 8. Whereas Hooper’s season hasn’t been his best, and his best season may well not be enough to justify selection over Pocock in a straight positional fight. The only reason both are out there is because people still believe that the Pooper is better than Pocock and one of the other loose forward options.

      • Would you say Eales should still be playing?

        That’s not necessarily an attack on Hooper, but every great has their time and needs to be allowed to move on. Sometimes that’s graceful, sometimes it needs to be done with a boot applied to the rear.

        The Pooper was a success in 2015. Among a range of other things that have not been a success in 2018, I would say that we have count the Pooper in that list. The Beale experiment at 10 would be up there too. So would Foley at 10, overall, one result at Salta notwithstanding.

        Pocock has been outstanding this year. For my money, Hooper has not. I’m not using the votes in the John Eales medal for that, just observing him. He always looks busy but I question what he’s actually contributed. The team, for me, looked more balanced when he sat down for one test and Pocock played 7, and there were a genuine 6 and 8 playing in their positions, at least until one got injured, and Hanigan came on as a sub. That’s not counting charging out of the defensive line and giving up tries galore to BB. Cheika won’t drop him, but I think maybe it’s time to think the previously unthinkable.

    • The Jackal

      Hooper played 12 of 13
      Pocock 8 of 13
      McMahon 4 of 13 in the voting period (so McMahon with 22.25 votes per game would finish comfortably second to Pocock, who is still way out with 32.8 votes per game)

      Voting is done by the players isn’t so if you aren’t polling well in the JEM like Folau, Foley, Beale & Hooper maybe you are on the outer.

      Beale & Hodge (along with Koroitbete) played in all 13 but didn’t poll in the top 10, that’s telling.

      • idiot savant

        Stand by a for a change in voting rules next year…..

        • Brisneyland Local

          Is this the voting rules that guarantees that only Hooper or a fellow Tah win?

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Well that’s the only way it’ll be fair

      • Who?

        Clearly you’ve spent more time on this than me – some great work there. :-)
        I knew Pocock was in 8 Tests, but I thought we had more Tests (closer to 16) in the eligibility period. Seems we had a ‘short’ Test season this year?
        Very telling about the three who didn’t poll in the top 10. I’m not sure that the leadership group can be considered to be ‘on the outer’, but it shows that it’s pretty clear that their team mates aren’t appreciating their work in comparison to others. You could think perhaps there’s an encouragement factor in voting, and perhaps that’s part of Tui’s numbers, but it’s certainly not a factor in Pocock’s numbers – he doesn’t need encouragement like that, surely he knows he’s the boss.

  • derek byrne

    I have a confession…. I’ve only played about 40 minutes of Rugby in my life. Played Mungo Ball and even tried that AFL stuff for a season. Anyway, back to why I am posting. I gave up trying to read Rugby Union news in Oz long time ago as I feel journalism is a dying craft these days. That fux Catch and Giggle should go the way of Fatty and the footy show. Just rolls out paid proprganda from the RA machine.

    You have Former Glory doing fatty like shit, and the NRC which they should be promoting gets only 3 minutes? WTF?

    Rugby is and always will be seen as an old boy’s club until it’s taken out of the private schools/elite socio-demographic and into the mainstream. How much ground have they lost to AFL by getting stuck under the bottom of a ruck(or burrying heads in the sand)?

    Well, finally back to rugby related stuff(NRC )…..was Tessmans tackle on Jock Campbell a yellow(super I’d say a red if kiwi mate was involved…)but he bounced back to his feet. Take Jordan on tour.

    End of the day what would I know about the game played in heaven….

  • Huw Tindall

    So everyone loves Poey but then Poey comes out and says he 100% backs Chek and he is the man for the job. What does this say? Is he flat out lying and towing the line? I don’t think so. He’s moral qualities seem too ingrained for me to think that. It’s difficult to reconcile the pillorying we dish out to Chek with what the players time and again say about him.

    • Who?

      It says that Cheik has the team. That’s fine – that’s actually good. Can you imagine the results we’d be seeing if he DIDN’T have the dressing room?!
      Or that Pocock isn’t an idiot and likes getting selected…

    • Jack

      Pocock cant white ant Cheika and get game time it’s that simple and Pocock is nothing if he isnt pragmatic. So what he says suits his bottom line, always has

  • Who?

    It’s more just I don’t want to see his confidence burned. Given that the cook (wasn’t Seagal’s character in Under Seige a cook?) doesn’t know the recipe, and he’ll blame those serving up the slop, rather than the one who prepared it. And he’s got almost no experience. Two super games at 13. That’s it – everything else, he was on the wing.

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