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Monday’s Rugby News

Monday’s Rugby News

Monday’s Rugby News has a warning from Wales, Naisarani on tour, us getting closer to hosting the Women’s World Cup and Kieran Read to hang up the boots.

Watch out, We’re coming for You

England v Wales - RBS Six Nations 2012

While the Wallabies weren’t in action this weekend, there were plenty of teams who were.

Starting off, Japan got their highest ever score against the All Blacks. Unfortunately, the All Blacks scored more than double that and they won 31-69.

England started off their November International season with a controversial 12-11 win over South Africa at Twickenham. It was a high stakes match, not the least of which because of a controversial tackle by Owen Farrell in the 84th minute that wasn’t sanctioned, a decision (by Aussie ref Angus Gardner) that left many in the Republic fuming.

Interested to know the GAGR thoughts on that one. Should he have been sent off?

Ireland hammered Italy 54-7 at Chicago Field in the US of A, before the USA themselves came out and went down to the Maori All Blacks, 22-59.

But the most interesting result for Wallabies fans was Wales‘ 21-10 defeat of Scotland in Cardiff (the first ever match that competed for the Doddie Weir Cup), where the Wallabies will start their November campaign next week.

And the message from Warren Gatland? We’re going to get better and we’re coming after you.

Wales haven’t beaten Australia in a decade, but the victory over the Scots marks the first time since 2002 that the Scarlets have started their November season with a win. Add to an improved Six Nations earlier this year and things look to be turning around for the Welsh.

“We will be all the better for that next week and it’s not about getting the monkey off our back with Australia,” said Gatland, post match. 

“There are games against them where we’ve been leading going into the final minutes and we’ve been unlucky at times.

“It would be nice to win next week, but the more important game will be when we play Australia at the World Cup.”

Gatland was in charge of the Welsh the last time they beat Australia 21-18 in 2008, but since then hasn’t picked a victory in thirteen attempts.

“If I’m honest, I think we’d have struggled if we’d come up against Australia instead of Scotland in the first game.

“But it’s a start for us, even though we were a bit rusty at times. For long periods of the game we were very comfortable without the ball.

“Scotland put us under pressure in the second half, but we defended very well and there were lots of positives.”

In Camp

Isi Naisarani

Isi Naisarani

Isi Naisarani will finally get his crack at Wallaby gold, having been named as the updated version of the Wallabies Spring Tour squad as a development player.

The exciting forward has been touted for Wallaby selection ever since he first emerged within the ranks for the Western Force, before signing with the Brumbies for a year, and now linking up with the Rebels. 

He’ll also join fellow rookie Rob Valetini, with Wallaby veteran Tatafu Polota-Nau linking up with the squad once they arrive in the UK. Unfortunately, their inclusion means that Brandon Paenga-Amosa and Jed Holloway will be returning to Australia, with Holloway battling injury while training with the squad in Japan.

The Wallabies squad is now as follows:


Jermaine Ainsley (1 Test, Melbourne Rebels, 23), Allan Alaalatoa (30 Tests, Brumbies, 24), Rory Arnold (19 Tests , Brumbies, 28), Adam Coleman (28 Tests, Melbourne Rebels, 26), Jack Dempsey (7 Tests, NSW Waratahs, 24), Folau Fainga’a (6 Tests, Brumbies, 23), Ned Hanigan (18 Tests, NSW Waratahs, 23), Michael Hooper (c) (88 Tests, NSW Waratahs, 27), Sekope Kepu (100 Tests, NSW Waratahs, 32), Tolu Latu (10 Tests, NSW Waratahs, 25), Tatafu Polota-Nau (86 Tests, Leicester, 33), David Pocock (75 Tests, Brumbies, 30), Izack Rodda (14 Tests, Queensland Reds, 22), Rob Simmons (91 Tests, NSW Waratahs, 29), Pete Samu (7 Tests, Brumbies, 26), Scott Sio (52 Tests, Brumbies, 27), Taniela Tupou (9 Tests, Queensland Reds, 22)


Adam Ashley-Cooper (116, Kobe Steelers, 34), Tom Banks (3 Tests, Brumbies, 24), Kurtley Beale (81 Tests, NSW Waratahs, 29), Israel Folau (70 Tests, NSW Waratahs, 29), Bernard Foley (65 Tests, NSW Waratahs, 29), Will Genia (97 Tests, Melbourne Rebels, 30), Jake Gordon (uncapped, NSW Waratahs, 25), Dane Haylett-Petty (28 Tests, Melbourne Rebels, 29), Samu Kerevi (22 Tests, Queensland Reds, 25), Marika Koroibete (18 Tests, Melbourne Rebels, 26), Jack Maddocks (5 Tests, Melbourne Rebels, 21), Sefa Naivalu (8 Tests, Melbourne Rebels, 26), Jordan Petaia (uncapped, Queensladn Reds, 18), Nick Phipps (70 Tests, NSW Waratahs, 29), Matt Toomua (39, Leicester/Melbourne Rebels, 28)

Development Players

Rob Valetini (uncapped, Brumbies, 20), Isi Naisarani (uncapped, Melbourne Rebels, 23).

Thoughts on the squad?

Speaking of the Wallabies, there’s been a lot of talk about the longer term contracts being handed out by Rugby Australia, and this weekend Raelene Castle elaborated why they are doing it. In short, to start planning for long-term success, and to stave over foreign clubs taking Aussie players.

“I think the interesting thing about longer-term contracts from a national perspective is you need the balance between making sure you’re securing players that are very attractive in the international market place, when you finish a World Cup and then the European markets are looking to secure some playing talent, I think that’s important,” she said to 

“I think the second thing is you need some people to build the team around.

“You need to say, ‘These are the types of people that we see by their character, their playing capability, their ability to grow and develop that we can build a team around. You need some core people to build your team around.

“But you also need the balance to make sure you don’t lock up all the positions so young talent see that they can make their way into the Wallabies.

“It’s about balancing those three things and I think age of players also comes into that mix so when you bring all those things together they’ll end up being a balance of longer-term and shorter-term contracts.”

Make of that what you will.

For the Game

Wallaroos pre-game (Credit Keith McInnes)

For all the crap in our game this year, the growth of the Womens Game through the Super W, Aon Uni Sevens, the Womens Sevens and the Wallaroos has been nothing short of awesome.

Even more so when you consider that Rugby Australia are now starting to take this side of the game seriously, when they announced a bid to host the 2023 Womens Rugby World Cup.

Well, the announcement of who will host the tournament is set to be made on November 14, and it has been whittled down to two contenders: Us, and the Kiwis.

RA, along with the Kiwi camp, will be providing one final pitch to World Rugby on that day. The good news is that Raelene Castle (who has been a major champion of building on the Womens Game), will be making the presentation. The bad news is that Cameron Clyne will be doing it with her.

“World Rugby have presented a summary of each of the bids, so each of the council members receives that summary,” Castle explained to

“We go in on the morning, do a presentation for half an hour and then council vote on their decision between New Zealand and Australia who’s going to host the World Cup.”

“There’s very strict rules around what you are and aren’t allowed to do.

“You can’t introduce any new information, it’s a bit like going to court.

“It’ll be great – it’s really a verbal presentation of the information that they’ll have in black and white in writing.

“It’s a chance for us to put a face to our information and we’re really appreciative of that opportunity. ”

Australia proposed Newcastle and the Hunter Valley as their site to host the event, and showcased the proposed venues to World Rugby officials in September this year. The area was selected due to it being a hot spot for Womens’ Rugby in Australia.

It also is seen as major marketing opportunity, as fans will also have the chance to check out the Valley’s famous Vineyards and (with the scheduled completion of the new light-rail), Newcastle’s famous phallic tower (Authors Edit: What?! it’s been torn down?! This is a nanny state!).

Either way, it’s expected to generate over $23 million for the local economy, and will be a major boon for Rugby Australia should they get it.

“We know we’ve put our best foot forward from engaging point of view,” she said.

“We know Australia’s respected as a country and Rugby Australia’s respected as an organisation that can put on big events.

“So, I think we tick all of those boxes.”

Read all about it (no more)


Here at GAGR, we make it no secret we love a bit of rivalry and the occasional odd dig at our cousins across the dutch (even though they’ve got the last laugh on us three times this year). But, even though this man has caused all Aussie rugby fans a whirl of intense pain and suffering, there is no denying that objectively, Kieran Read is a bloody good player.

And, alas, the ruthless captain of the darkness has announced that following the 2019 Rugby World Cup, he will retire from international rugby.

His seasons have been increasingly been affected by injury, with him having to undergo spinal surgery last year. With his body telling him it’s time, he’s announced that he’ll finally call it quits… just after he wins another World Cup. 

The 33-year-old, 115-test veteran has played 40 tests as the All Blacks skipper, winning 35. He also was World Rugby‘s 2013 Player of the Year. In his career so far, he has picked up two World Cups, and three Super Rugby Titles, not to mention a lot of Freedom Cups and Bledisloe Cups (the latter of which I don’t particularly want to talk about).

In addition to going a hundred plus with the All Blacks, he also stayed as a loyal member of the Canterbury region, notching up 133 caps for the Crusaders, and 37 caps for the Canterbury club in the Mitre 10 Cup.

However, unlike New Zealand’s prodigal son (and continuously coming-through-the-gate) player Sir Richie McCaw,  Read has revealed that following his retirement, he’ll be chasing coin in Europe for a few years, which works out the best for his wife and three kids.

“We have always thought as a family that we would like to go overseas and use that experience for the kids. That is probably the main option at the moment,” Read told NZME, as reported in 

“There are plenty of options out there but I probably want to keep playing if I can.”

However, just before we can all think we can knock over the Kiwis finally, it’s widely predicted that Read will pass over the role of New Zealand’s captaincy (and unofficial role of ‘most popular man in New Zealand’) to another centurion from the Crusaders forward pack, lock Sam Whitelock.

Rest assured we can look forward to plenty more schellackings at the hands of him as skipper.

All jokes aside, all the best to Read and his family, and congratulations on a truly incredible career. Well done mate.


  • Steve

    How Farrell got away with that one I’ll never know.
    Some players have developed what I call the ‘sneaky shoulder charge’ where they appear to wrap the arm but still lead with the shoulder. It is absolutely deliberate.

    As far as I’m concerned it’s a cheap act performed by those too cowardly to defend properly (I group in which I count Farrell as a card-carrying member).

    • onlinesideline

      Same as what he did against Gits in the pool match in 2015.
      Farrell – “what for Sir?”
      French Ref – “ermm – this is not the Dead Poets society – OFF”

  • Hoss

    Some bedtime observations.

    Look, Gus got it completely wrong, full stop, end of story. The guys who really deserved to be whacked in the head by a shoulder is Rassie and The Socialist – Marx. Marx in particular was SHIT-HOUSE. His countless lineout throws when 5m from the dodgers line were appalling. He couldnt hit a cow in the arse with a shovel.why wasn’t he like a table cloth – pulled off after the break ?? Rassie, stop cheering the game and start coaching the game. I reckon Etzebeth fakes his injury and saw the writing on the wall and thought ‘fuck this, I’am out’.

    The Dutch Dirt Diggers had enough pill to stop unwanted pregnancies in Cessnock and should have won by 12+. The Nearlies will do things to the Dodgers the Catholic Church can only dream of.

    • Parker

      You’re in top form Hoss. Clear winner of today’s Honey Badger Analogy Award.

      • Hoss

        He wishes. These days he is more like the Kurri-Kurri and sub-districts RSL Branch annual New Years Eve Fireworks ‘Spectacular ’ – a few cheap public bangs and it’s off for a year.

    • onlinesideline

      Just go and clean your shoes, get to bed, you’ve got school in the morning.

      • Nutta

        ‘clean your shoes’

        Is that you dad?

        • onlinesideline

          it was in my case

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Morning Hoss.
      Yeah clear mistake. Not sure why the arm wrapping was an issue or are they now saying a hit in the head is ok as long as you attempt to wrap the player. Still Gardner didn’t make anywhere near as many mistakes as the Boks. It was a pretty shit showing by them actually.

      Not sure what Gatland is doing. He’s not usually into that shit. Maybe he’s feeling the pressure.

      • Geoffro

        Same old,the Poms kick their penalties ,throw in a bit of rough stuff and slightly illegal play ? and get over the top of their undisciplined opponents.Beware Wallabies

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          Neither of Wales or England impressed me. They’re the lucky the Wallabies are so shit that they should win easily. It would be embarrassing if they lost to the Wallabies though.

        • Ed

          The Wallabies have barely impressed us this year too.

          The MSM will continue to talk about our streak against Wales (note the arrogance of Tom Decent’s article today about Wales’ chances), but we used to talk about Ireland and Scotland in the same way too.

          The Wallabies won 16 consecutive tests against Scotland between 1982 and 2006. When the Scots won in 2009, the record since has been SCO 4 – AUS 3 including that victory.

          A similar story with Ireland. The Wallabies won 11 straight between 1979 and 1999. Since 2002 it is AUS 8, IRE 7 and one draw. Ireland have won four of the last five tests.

          The Wallabies have a better backline when it clicks, but Wales have a better defensive backline. You’d think Gatland would have moves on their attacking lineout where they would have North receiving the ball to run along the blindside touchline where Foley/Beale is placed.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          Oh, don’t worry, I agree the Wallabies are the most horrendous of the lot by far.

        • Ed
        • Who?

          I’d be cheering for Ireland. Because I’m not confident the Wallabies would get out of the pool…

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          Oh, wouldn’t I…

          All I can say is that it is a squad worth of Michael Cheika. Christy Doran should be proud.

        • Brumby Runner

          Easy to see it coming Ed just like they’ll put up plenty of high box kicks all aimed away from Folau. I just have no confidence that Cheika et al will see it in advance.

        • Ed

          That is what fightens me BR – a mug like me can see it yet we appear to not have a plan for it.

        • Geoffro

          The poms haven’t impressed me for years, I hate their dour style of play but they have the ability to strangle the life out of some sides if they’re not on their game.Wales at least play a bit more open game which is probably why we’ve been so closely matched with them in recent times.

        • adastra32

          Well Geoffro, the WBs have equally not impressed me in years – as evidenced by their recent piss-poor win/loss record and world ranking. Clearly, you don’t follow ‘pom’ rugby too closely either. If you did, you’d know that they do not embrace the one dimensional, “15s as 7s” approach that has guided the Aus team to its current elevated position. Oh yes, and it’s easy to praise Wales, patronisingly, when they continue to fail vs. the WBs – but heck, at least they gave it a go…

        • Who?

          Adastra, I think you need to apologize. In no way do the Wallabies play 15’s as 7’s, to imply that’s true is to both insult 7’s and fail to realize that our relative strength is in our forward play, not our backs. I’m not claiming our pack is world best, but no question they’re relatively stronger than our backs.
          Insult our play, sure, but don’t insult 7’s like that! :-P

        • adastra32

          Hello Who? – absolutely no insult is intended. 7s is very much its own skilful and entertaining game. My perception of Cheika’s philosophy is that he sees the 7s ball-in-play, run-them-off-their-feet strategy as the ONLY one necessary for the WBs’ success at 15 a side. Aside from booting bombs up for Folau, there appears to be no concept of kicking to play in the right areas of the field. Too often, multiple phases from too far out result in no territory gained, an error/turnover, and boom!, there go the ABs in to score another try. All that forward grunt and effort counts for nowt.

          And then, let’s not get going on the D…

        • Who?

          I’m not sure Cheika would’ve watched much 7’s. He’s more focused on League… Our game too often looks far too much like league.
          My post was meant to be a bit tongue in cheek. :-)
          Because 7’s is far more entertaining and intelligent than anything we’ve – sadly – dished up this year, or in 2016…

        • adastra32

          That would figure re: RL. Bish, bash, bosh, whoops…

        • Geoffro

          Amidst a lot of gnashing of teeth and tearing of hair I’ll grant you that English rugby has developed to the point where been able to take us on at our own game and hand out a few lessons (as per the 3 nil drubbing we received in the last series we played).When I say years though for me it really is quite a few years and the English game mostly in that time has been traditionally forward oriented where their main strength has been.Boggy soft grounds used to lend themselves to that style of test rugby.I’d say much the same of Wales,Scotland and Ireland in their style of play over the last 50 odd years(Yes I am an older bloke.)The advent of better surfaces and S.hemisphere coaching has led to a more open style in recent times but I reckon their hearts are still in the traditional forward oriented style played for years which doesn’t turn me on.NB.I wasn’t patronising the Welsh ,I’d rather watch their current side go around than the others.

        • adastra32

          Don’t disagree with any of that. The ‘tradition’ of both Eng. and RSA play has been pretty similar – get the set-piece right and establish forward dominance, or at least parity. The rest is then tactical and about skill-set to deliver from any position on the park. That does not mean kicking and nothing else. I am pretty certain that the game that Eng. will play this coming weekend will not be the one used last.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          I think they played really well in 2016.

        • Geoffro

          Yeah,gotta admit. That seems to be the norm when a new coach is introduced,we played pretty well in 2015 but have been going back since then.

      • Hoss

        Morning mate – pumped for a big week. Start of our Notthern Tour and last week before a couple of weeks leave – my tip, zero productivity for me and many gibbering Gagger posts.

        Love Gatland – ‘we are better, we will beat Australia, BUT it’s ok if we don’t, it’s the RWC that matters’ – talk about an each-way bet. What’s the old song ‘have you ever had the feeling that you wanted to stay, have you ever had the feeling that you wanted to leave’….

        • Nutta


      • Greg

        Shoulder to the head seems only be to OK if the tackled player is in blue and the tacklers are in ….

        I still don’t understand that decision.

    • Keith Butler

      And to think I got up a 2.00am to watch the pile of crap dished up by us Soap Dodgers. If Marx had hit his mark the Saffers maul would have taken them over the line and on the way to Richmond. Our new god Owen very lucky but only should have been a penalty against him. Up again at 2.00 next weekend for more torture. The SDs to lose by 30+ against the Nearlies (translation please) and the Daffs to squeeze a win against the G&G. Jonathan Davies looked very sharp. Aussie midfield better be up for it.

      • Hoss

        Morning KB. As much as Gus will bare the brunt for the decision, the reality is the Saffa’s should have closed it out an age before that and not be impacted by one dodgey decision.

        The Welsh 13 Jonathon Jones looked sharp, so did the Loosie and MOTM Justin Jones, as for their halves of Jones and Jones and their front row of Jones, Jones and Jones, I reckon Gold should have them pegged.

        If Kerevi and Dempsey start I reckon gold by early 30’s to Jones Boys high teens, we will be right by 13+.

        The ‘Nearlies’ are NZ. They are not ‘All Black’ they have some white leaf thing o their shirt and white piping all round – they are nearly All Black – the Nearlies.

        • adastra32

          Always good fun Hoss. However, I don’t think that SDs and Nearlies will be anything like you predict for the latter. And while we’re here, it takes TWO to play a game of territory and albatross kicking – Saffer fans please note ;-).

        • Hoss

          Will be interesting my northern cousin and to be fair it will also shine alight on just where the Aussies sit. We (I) forget we play the Nearlies more than any other nation in the world so we are under a fairly intense microscope all the time. I suppose a better gauge of where we truly sit in the world will be the game / result of the Nearlies v the SD. I am as keen to watch that as i am our own game v the Northern Kiwi’s.

          My tips

          Kiwis 45 – England 17
          Gold 34 – NK’s 18
          Saffa’s 29 – Les Bleus 24

          Great weekend for rugby lovers coming up and a few markers in the sand for Kill Bill in 2019.

        • Keith Butler

          Cheers Hoss for the clarification. Played a bit of rugby in SWales back in the 80s more Jones and Davies’s than you could poke a stick at

        • Have to remember that Wales have several players not available because Nov 3rd is outside the official November test window. If they play outside Wales they weren’t released from their clubs. Biggar for one, a couple of others are injured. I think there’s a prop too.

          So Wales have had a test to settle in to playing test match rugby, and are going to put a few more experienced faces out on the park next week as well. I think the rub of the green could go for the team in Red this time.

    • Greg

      I haven’t watched the replay yet…. but the Farrel tackle is clear yellow imo. Shoulder without any attempt at arms.

      SBW would be proud of it. Was it kickable?

      • Hoss

        Was certainly a chance to slot it mate.

        If that tackle isn’t a shoulder charge then I don’t know what is ?

        Having said that the Saffas beat themselves

        • Nutta

          …and that’s the main bit for me. The win/loss of that game had no right coming down to that call. The Boks choked which was both a real shame and a bit worrying for them after having the AiB on the rack at Blackheath earlier this year and letting it slip as well.

          One thing I did note is how the Bok scrum had crumpets on the English. I know one penalty went to the Eng but that was a bad call IMO. I thought the Jarpys were all over them. Getchorkitoff was all over Snickers (and all the puns that go with it).

        • Hoss

          Yep mate – had lot of Wallabies about it – could’ve, would’ve. should’ve – ultimately didn’t. Like the Spanners last pass in last seconds of last test against the Emerald Isle XV – kind of hides the fact ‘if’ we had done the basics then the last pass, in the last seconds of the last test would be irrelevant.

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Well we’re all wrong. World Rugby have also cleared Farrell. Who’d have thought

      • Greg

        You do realise that this buggers up most of the conspiracy theories about the NZ players don’t you? Does he have rels in Wellington?

        Seriously, with your ref’s hat (dark glasses, white stick etc) on can you see how they might have come to that decision?

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Looking at it in slow motion he actually contacted him on the chest. The law is still below the shoulder so I can see how they came to that decision. Like everyone I see the inconsistency as the biggest issue but I’m not surprised as the swing back was always going to be like this. I just hope they keep this consistent through the rest of the games.

        • Greg

          It was certainly into the chest… but it was a tackle with a shoulder and no arms. Isn’t that yellow? If not yellow then it is a penalty isn’t it?

          – I get your point about the pendulum swinging.
          – and the saffers beat themselves

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Yep mate I agree. Apparently he tried to get his arm around. Pretty shit decision tbh

    • I agree about Gus, and Marx/Rassie. Although it wasn’t only Marx (he was just the most obvious) the whole Boks side looked a little out of sorts and made silly errors. England will count it as a win, but it was more a case of SA losing it. England also need to look at Itoje… pissing of Gus and getting another YC to his now rather inglorious record. Not good.

      Given how poor Wales usually are in their first November test, I’m more worried now than I was before. Of particular interest, Tipuric did a few of those Hooper “mad charges” out of the line. Unlike Hooper he connected, legally, with a player each time. Once was just a solid hit, a fraction late and the ball had just been been passed. (I do mean just, the 10 was in a heap on the floor before the ball had reached the next player, it might have been 10 cm away from his hands when Tipuric hit him.) The other one I clearly remember, he forced Nel to knock the ball on, instant turn over. I think there was another where the monstered the player and the next player in won a penalty for the Scottish player not releasing. Pretty impressive showing.

  • Tim

    While the Scots didn’t look much of a threat to the Welsh (even though there were more Joneses playing for the Scots than the Welsh), the Wallabies will need to be on their game. The Welsh are a big, enthusiastic outfit and will be playing in front of a home crowd who’ll sing them home if given half a chance.

    • Ed

      You’d think Gatland would be working on ways to have plays where George North and Jonathan Davies run at the shoulders of Beale and Foley next weekend.

      • Geoffro

        They looked dangerous against the Scots eh? and some slick backline play saw them both going over for excellent tries.Davies,North and Halfpenny have played a lot of rugby together are in form and are going to cause the Wallabies all sorts of headaches I reckon.Nathan Grey had best have his thinking cap on

      • Greg

        I thought that North had retired but see that he has not. He has had a lot of head knocks. I hope he is getting good advice.

      • Hoss

        Is it just me or has Mr North failed to ever live up to the hype and his size at international level ? No doubt he is a fair player, i don’t know enough about his domestic form, but he has never grabbed the game by the throat at international level. He is the Brad Hodge of World Rugby.

        • Nutta

          I confess to thinking the same. Big, fast, relatively nimble, promised heaps but perennially hurt and never really seeming to hit the heights expected.

    • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

      I wasn’t hugely impressed by Wales, but agree they should be favourites vs the Wallabies. Just a much better coached team.

    • Brumby Runner

      The Scots looked just like the Wallabies to me. Some defence structure issues and some poor handling skills, but not too bad in their own area of the ground. But they were bereft of ideas to break the defensive line once they got into the Welsh 22m. While the Welsh were not impressive they showed enough to suggest they could well have our measure next week.

    • Happyman

      Unfortunately I have to agree the Scots did not have usual starting 9,10 15 and Capt bu he was injured. The Welsh were very balanced in the loose forwards and made life very tough for the Scottish.

      Seems to be a trend of a tackler taking out the support cleaner going into contact to give the pilferer a chance at the ball. I have noticed it with the AB’s, Leinster and now the Welsh. Australia will only start to use it when the Reff’s say they are going to act on it.

  • Parker

    I finally had the chance to watch our last game against Los Pumas and among many other thoughts I was inclined to think that, henceforth, I will refer to Hanigan as Flotsam. He gets tossed about in the rough and floats in between. At least he gets buoyed high by the waves in the lineouts.

    • Patrick

      Be great if Cheika watched the game as well!

      • Alister Smith

        It would probably trigger his PTSD

        • Patrick

          Since his coaching is giving me PTSD, that seems a fair cop.

  • Kiwi rugby lover

    Morning Nick thanks for this.

    As far as the weekend games go. Pretty happy with the ABs. Lots of mistakes by some of the newbies, and some of the oldies, but lots of depth being developed across the board so all good. Wales were good in places and defended well but didn’t really display anything to show they’ll be a huge hit. The Boks were atrocious, WTF was going on with them, that was a very poor game and they deserved to lose.

    Gardner got that one wrong but the Boks did enough to lose without it so bad luck to them. I’m looking forward to the post match citing although not expecting much. To be fair with all the crying and whinging about the referee having too much of an affect on the outcome this was always going to happen and no one should surprised.

    Not sure RA’s reasoning on the long contracts is as well thought out as they say. My biggest issue is what happens if the new coach comes in and doesn’t want one of these players, which I think is actually quite likely, where does this player go then?

    TBH as much as I’d like NZ to win the Women’s WRC I’d much rather go to the Hunter Valley to watch the games than a wet, cold, miserable NZ. Good luck on this one.

    Good luck to Read, been a legend of the game and had to full some big shoes after Richie left. I hope things go well.

    • Andrew Luscombe

      I think unwanted players go to Souths in Brisbane.

  • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

    God Cheika demonstrates almost unfathomable incompetence sometimes.

    Brandon Paenga-Amosa was not only Australia’s best hooker over the super rugby season, but also Cheika’s started in June and also the Australian hooker that has performed most consistently well at international this year and he is dropped from the squad.

    Meanwhile, Tolu ‘Einstein’ Latu remains in the squad. Pfft.

    • Happyman

      Hard to argue with that statement. Latu just seems to be one of those koala bears from NSW picked if available.

      • Andy

        If Latu gets his head right he is the best of the lot, I don’t think that is in question. But getting his head right…… no one has been able to do it yet.

        • Happyman

          Completely disagree mate his lineout throw is rubbish he could not hit the side of a barn with a handful of beans.
          Hooker PD
          1 Scrum well
          2 Lineout
          3 Tackle and workrate
          4 Running game
          5 Pilfer
          If you cannot do both of one and two at a high level you cannot play the position to international standard.
          At international level you have approx ten lineouts per game. Latu his at about 70% from what I see you have to be at 90% or higher to be at that level.

        • Nutta

          Meat and potato first Boy. Then gravy. Only a dickhead puts gravy on a plate first.

        • Happyman

          I was going to put that quote in Nutta but did not know who to attribute it to you or Hoss

        • Andy

          I’m not claiming he is work class and I agree with you on the line out. He really needs to improve that but from what I can see, so do all of our hookers. None are really performing at international level.

          I think he does ok in all the other areas if not well, very well. I think his biggest floor is his smarts (like 90% of our squad…)

        • Happyman

          Mate I have heard that he is not a great trainer. Came back the Tahs at the start of the year fat and unfit and was outside the squad If that is the case it just shows to me that he is not a grinder in the position that is most about the grind on the field.
          I know some club players that are working hard in the off season already to be better next year.

          If he not going to be elite find someone who will word hard for it.

        • Andy

          I agree with that too and I did hear the same rumblings. Some probably true, some probably not.

          The fact he got back into the tahs and the wallabies would indicate an attitude change mid season. Hopefully he makes that a full time proposition.

          Will be interesting to see how Uelese goes next year after his recovery. I’d say he has the highest ceiling of them all.

        • Mica

          1,2 and 3 otherwise you are a liability. Add to that no silly penalties and cards!!!!

      • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

        I actually think Latu on his good days is up there with Pocock as our most game winning player.

        On his bad days he is just terrible though. And at the moment he has too many bad days.

        We need to learn from New Zealand. We don’t need superstars that do well in highlight reels, but solid guys that perform all their core roles consistently well. New Zealand preferred Luke Whitelock to Akira Ioane, we need to learn from their example.

    • onlinesideline

      BREAKING: BPA jumps code – SUMO

    • laurence king

      One year, that’s all, one year. Then Cheika and his regime will be gone. At least when Cheika drops you, you can rest easy in the knowledge that it most likely wasn’t poor form that got you dropped; maybe tea leaves, ouija board, cracked crystal ball, holding your tongue wrong, your mothers middle name had a z in it, there were only 250 cornflakes in the bowl that morning; but probably not form or talent.

      • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies


        • laurence king

          I like the guy, I honestly do, he seems a genuinely nice guy and would be great to have a beer with. That said, he has imo been in the position too long considering that the results have been against him and we need change. It’s like wearing the undies for two weeks instead of one

  • Nutta

    Morning Y’All

    I watched Logan Lucky on the weekend. Good movie. Better then any rugby game I watched surely.

    No one can read too much into the AiB vs Nippon game. Entertaining surely, not as much as the movie but good nonetheless, but not informative about much.

    The Scots vs Wales interested me about enough to play yet another game of Wheel of Fortune and trying to buy another vowel to make Welsh village names pronounceable.

    The only game that really grabbed my interest was Bok vs Filth. Simply put I made myself brekky afterwards feeling sorry for Keith Butler and Marx.

    Marx had a game like I have not seen him play before. Not even no-impact but decidedly negative impact. There was a real argument for yanking Marx early because it was clear he was off-game. But Rassie clearly emulates The Chek approach to Beal as coaching genius and left the guy on to play through his wobbles. Yeh that worked out. I still reckon he is the worlds best No2 because everyone has a bad game occasionally. But what a stage to have a bad game on? I am loath to ever put a loss at one guys feet because much goes into the 15 man game. But this is one time where we can. Three blown tries by my count – anyone of which won the game. Also, Eze E needs a proper kick in the pants for dumber-than-dog-shite calls to a thrower who was clearly struggling.

    Keith. Mate. How that Itoje keeps his head on his shoulders is beyond me. Full credit to him for trying hard. But if the guy put as much effort into legitimately hard play as he does into nuisance jobs and dumb penalties, well he would be a dead set legend for all the right reasons. That said, rugby is rarely won by those who deserve it beforehand – it’s won on the day. You won. Congratulations. I dunno how, but you did.

    The real out-take now though is that the AiB will wipe the floor with England. England didn’t win. The Bok lost. But England will be just confident enough now after that to step into the ring and try and play some rugby. Good luck to them.

    Owen Farrell’s tackle – Law 6.5.A. Ref is sole judge of fact & score and that is that. Game over. That said, personally I was fine with the tackle. I see tackles like that as good, clean and hard hits. If that is how we are Reffing now then I actually agree. But in terms of how the game was Reffed in the first 10mths of the year? It was a clear yellow card to the tackler. Penalty was out of Pollards range (just) so Boks with new Hooker on-field would kick to corner and maul over with an odds-on tip for a penalty try given the 127 warnings issued already for pulling down the Bok maul. In terms of consistency, if Farrell was French he would have been red-carded. If Pollard was Australian or the Farrell an AiB, Pollard would have been yellow-carded.

    Best game of footy all weekend was Alabama knocking over LSU. Great game.

    • Keith Butler

      Itoje once the blue eyed boy of England and predicted by many to be the next captain. Slipped down the ladder in my opinion. As you say just becoming a nuisance and a penalty machine. Coming from the old school of locks playing in the 70s and 80s i’ve always thought he would be a better 6 – where he’s currently playing a lot of his rugby for Saracens. Kruis and Launchberry for me come the RWC with Lawes in reserve. We may have won the game but we were very very lucky.

  • disqus_NMX

    Nothing in that tackle. Farrell dropped his shoulder into his rib cage, but the Bok ball carrier dropped his own body height into the tackle so much that he brought his own head into contact with the shoulder. As for arm wrapping, well you could argue the finer points of that until the cows come home, but for me he only failed to wrap him up because the Bok player used his own arms and body weight to successfully fend the tackler off. Gardner was correct, and I’d be surprised if there was any further sanctions. If the was an illegal tackle, then I’m off to watch AFL instead.

    • Greg

      I hope you enjoy the AFL :-)

      • disqus_NMX

        World Rugby said that I should stick with Rugby it seems.

        • Greg

          But…. what would they know! :-)

        • Mica

          Yes but that doesn’t really give the result credibility does it?

        • disqus_NMX

          Ha ha, good point, but I am sticking with my analysis.

  • Bakkies

    Nice slydig at de Clyne. Still hanging around like a bad smell.

    Australia shouldn’t be hosting any World Cups until the RA’s finance and governance problems are sorted out, they stop shrinking the game in its jurisdiction and make the game popular again. The last few Women’s RWCs have been hosted by countries that get strong attendances for Women’s test Rugby.

    I have yet to see that occur in Australia and the national side don’t play enough games.

  • TouchFinderGeneral

    Any chance we could have a whip round and persuade Read to retire before the RWC?

    It causes me all sorts of psychic, emotional, and physical pain (I didn’t say I don’t enjoy it), but by Willie O’s boots I love KR as a player. All the best, mate.


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