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Monday’s Rugby News

Monday’s Rugby News picks up the scraps from disappointing losses for both national teams, looks at two key re-signings for the Reds and recaps a new world number 1 and a pair of club rugby grand finals in the rugby wrap.


Black Out

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‘The fact that the All Blacks have had three sub-par games has me waiting for that big statement performance and with the Bledisloe Cup in danger, this seems like the perfect stage for it’

I wrote this in the preview for the second Bledisloe match and they certainly delivered this in spades.

The All Blacks reminded everyone why they are the defending World Cup champions, mauling the Wallabies 36-0 at Eden Park.

The Wallabies were wasteful in attack during the first half with two missed penalty kicks and a dropped ball by Reece Hodge allowing Richie Mo’unga and the All Blacks to race out to a 10-0 lead after 30 minutes.

From this moment they wouldn’t look back, racing in four more tries to retain the Bledisloe Cup for the 17th straight time.

For a full recap of the game, check out Ben’s excellent review of the game.

Wallabies coach Michael Cheika was disappointed by the performance put in by his side, however, he was still positive about the side’s progress over the past 12 months.

“Confidence won’t be dented but disappointment is there,” he said.

“But regardless, we’ve improved a lot since ’18 – on the field and off the field – and we have to take it on the chin.

“If you’d asked me how I was feeling yesterday or before the game, I was feeling really good about the improvements we’d made.

“And as terribly disappointed as I am about the game, I’m not going to throw them away, I’m going to put them into context.”

All Blacks coach Steve Hansen showed his respect for the Wallabies after the series, revealing them to be his pick to win the World Cup if the All Blacks can’t complete the three-peat.

“Both teams are very talented teams and both teams will go to the World Cup with big chances of winning it, I think,” Hansen said.

“Whilst we have some fierce battles and so forth, we do enjoy them, they’re good men and they’re very similar to ourselves.

“So if we can’t win it we’d like them to.”

(O’)Reilly, Reilly Good

France v Australia - IRB Womens Rugby World Cup 3rd Place Play-Off

The Black Ferns have completed the clean sweep over the Wallaroos with a 37-8 win to secure the Laurie O’Reilly Memorial Trophy.

They would run in five tries to one to maintain their perfect record over the Australians to further cement their claim as one of the best teams in international sport.

Black Ferns flyhalf Ruahei Demant went over virtually untouched after four minutes to open the scoring, leaving many Wallaroos fans to fear a repeat of last week.

Despite immense pressure on their line, the Aussies would hang tough, with a brilliant run from Mahalia Murphy putting the game on near-even terms.

Lock Eloise Blackwell would extend the lead for the Black Ferns, however, Lori Cramer would keep the Aussies in touch with a penalty goal reducing the margin to just nine at halftime.

After the break, it was all New Zealand, with tries to Carla Hohepa and a pair of Charmaine’s (McMenamin and Smith) securing the result.

Despite the drubbing, coach Daniel Nestor was proud of the intensity and fight that his side showed to limit the result.

“I’m actually pretty proud of the girls because we didn’t get bullied this week, there’s probably just some one-percenters that we’ve got to get better at and we’ve got the opportunity to work on that next year,” Nestor said.

He believes that the added test program next year will allow the side to continue to grow their skills and confidence.

“The good thing is that we get to play them twice a year (again) next year and that’s a great opportunity to play the best,” he explained.

“If we want to be up there with the best we’ve got to play the best.

“The Test match program for next year looks great for us, it’s going to give us the opportunity to play the top-five team in the world, so that’s where we want to be.

“There’s some talent there that’s pretty untapped and it’s our job as coaches to make sure we get the best out of that talent.”

Young Reds (Mc)re-sign

Tate McDermott makes a break

Tate McDermott makes a break

The Reds have continued their quest to tie down their young talent, announcing the re-signing of halfback Tate McDermott and flanker Fraser McReight.

McDermott was one of the shining lights of the Reds season, with many positioning him as a World Cup bolter before we realised how good Nic White was.

“I’m excited to sign for another four years with Queensland — a team I’ve not only grown up watching but supported my whole life,” McDermott said.

“With Brad (Thorn) and his coaching team, we are starting to build something incredibly special, attempting to not only restore the pride but continue the legacy associated with the maroon jersey.

“A big part is repaying the faith that the Reds have shown in me and being part of something enjoyable that is building for big things.”

McReight only recently made his debut for his home state this year against the Brumbies in round six, before going on to captain the Junior Wallabies to the Under 20 World Championship grand final, narrowly losing to France.

“I am very excited to have inked a new deal with the Reds that will see me at Ballymore until the end of 2023,” McReight said.

“What made this decision very easy for me was we’ve got a fantastic playing group right now and it will only get better, as each player pushes each other to achieve their best results.

“Having the ability to grow and keep developing with this squad was a huge factor in signing this deal and I can’t wait to get stuck in and deliver some great results over the next four years.”

Their re-signings were announced on Friday, two days before the pair would line up in the Hospital Challenge Cup (We’ll get to that later) for Queensland Uni (McDermott) and Brothers (McReight), with both competitors ready to put state loyalties behind them.

“As soon as we see Fraser anywhere near the ball, all the alarm bells go off,” McDermott said about the flanker.

“I think Fraser will be pretty sore if he’s anywhere near the ball on Sunday.”

“It’d be funny seeing Tate clean out anyone,” McReight replied.

“I’d just say everyone expects to be sore after a full-on grand final and a few beers afterwards.”

Rugby Wrap

University of Queensland Winners GF Photo Credit QRU Brendan Hertel

We start the wrap for this week crowning a new number one ranked side with Pool D rivals Wales defeating the old enemy England 13-6 to knock New Zealand off the top spot (despite the fact they haven’t beat the All Blacks since 1953).

Winger George North’s 34th-minute try secured the win for Wales in the low-scoring contest, marking the first time that they have been at the top of the rankings since the system was introduced in 2003.

Back in Australia, we start in Queensland with the final of the Hospital Challenge Cup, where Queensland Uni claimed their second title in three years with a nail-biting 31-26 victory over minor premiers Brothers at Ballymore. Tate McDermott celebrated his new contract with two tries whilst lock Harry Hockings was named man of the match after his barnstorming performance.

In Canberra for the John I Dent Cup, Canberra Royals narrowly claimed victory over the Tuggeranong Vikings in a thrilling 32-31 win. The Royals were left to sweat it out in the final minute when Joe Langtry was put through a hole and looked certain to score, but the play was called back for a forward pass.

The Shute Shield semi-finals saw a doubleheader at North Sydney Oval where Warringah secured their spot in the grand final for the third straight year with a 22-15 win over Eastwood. They will be gearing up for revenge next week when they take on Sydney Uni in a rematch of last year’s decider after they dominated Norths 40-7 at their home ground.

In the Dewar Shield, Box Hill managed to upset Harlequins 23-15 to book their place in the grand final. They will look to secure their first title since 2001 when they take on the minor premiers and reigning champions Melbourne Unicorns next week.

Down in Adelaide, Barossa outgunned Port Adelaide 47-46, Adelaide Uni overcome Elizabeth 35-24, Old Collegians thumped Southern Suburbs 69-14, Brighton secured the minor premiership with a 27-23 over Burnside and Onkaparinga destroyed Woodville 68-0.

Finally, in Perth, the semi-finals of the Premiership Division saw Nedlands hold off UWA 18-10 and Cottesloe defeat Wests 32-25 whilst in the Championship division, Kalamunda outclassed Associates 33-27 and Palmyra shut-out Wanneroo 28-0.

  • sambo6

    So it was the wallabies who were supposed to have the benefit of playing the world number one team twice in the lead up to the world cup. As it happens its the English who played the world’s top team twice…..

    But the wallabies did beat the number one team in the world in one of those games, and the English didn’t actually beat Wales when they were ranked number one…..

    It was also less than 6 months ago that Ireland were regarded as the best team in the world, that was after they beat the number one team when in Ireland. But how does that compare to beating and then drawing with the number one team in their own backyard, as the safaa have done the past 2 times they’ve visited…..

    Put it all together, and its clear as fucking mud…..to use a cliche, rugby is the real winner here as we start the build up for what I feel is genuinely the most open world cup since they started…..

    Bring it on Japan. Banzai!!!!

    • Patrick

      For me the current ranking for Japan is RSA, NZ, ENG, AUS, WAL, IRE, FIJ, FRA, ARG, SCO, ITA.

      Oddschecker tells me NZ, ENG, RSA, IRE, WAL, FRA, ARG, SCO, JPN, FIJ, which reflects the fact that Fiji have to beat at least one of us and Wales to get out of their group, and that RSA are worth a flutter as even if they don’t beat NZ in the pool they get at worst Ireland whom they’ll feel good about right now.

      As Ireland would quite probably have to beat both RSA and NZ their odds are ridiculously short.

      • sambo6

        AUS not even in the top 10 on oddschecker?:)

        • Patrick

          Lol thanks, edited. A ridiculous imho 6th, I think I’m betting on them at those odds!

          Although I honestly think south Africa look the goods.

        • sambo6

          agreed, I picked the Boks at the start of the year, and nothing I’ve seen at this stage has given me reason to revisit that call.

        • Patrick

          Nope, if they are a whisker short of NZ in NZ…I could see them running their pool and then wouldn’t the nearlies get a tightening feeling down there!

        • Who?

          It would be ridiculous if we weren’t last start losers against every single one of the teams ahead of us. But we are.

        • Patrick

          Yes that is sobering

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        Regardless of which way the game goes in the pool SA and NZ will be on different sides of the draw so a NZ vs SA final is on the cards. I like the way SA have stepped up in the last couple of years and I agree they are doing very well. I’ll still back our boys to beat them in a crunch match though

        • Who?

          It would also follow the recent pattern. 2015 was an exception, given the Wallabies and ABs weren’t in the same pool. But 2011, France and NZ shared a pool. 2007, England and SA shared a pool.

      • Missing Link

        statistics tell me that no team has ever lost a pool game and gone onto win the cup. This time around it will be interesting with NZ and SA, and Wales and Aus in the same pools, someone will have to take the low road to the final….

        • From NooZealand

          Stats or history?

  • Custard Taht

    Was reading on foxsports that Cheika is wanting to bring Skelton along for the RWC, but admits it might be too hard to organise it with his english club.

    I think that Skelton could be a useful addition from the bench, especially if he has learnt to jump.

    • Keith Butler

      Watched a couple of Saracens games. Big W lost about 10 kg and he has benefitted from his time in the North. However, not much evidence of a line out improvement. With Kruis and Itoje tied into the RWC and the 6Ns, Skelton will be an integral part of their pack and I very much doubt they will release him.

      • Custard Taht

        A pity really, both his availability and lack of improvement in the lineout.

  • Kiwi rugby lover

    Thanks Nathan,

    I was hoping the girls would do better and to be fair they did in a lot of areas. But switch off for a minute and the Ferns just go for it. They are getting better with every game and I think as they get more experience the wins will come.

    I’m (obviously) happy with the win but I do take exception to the “Suck it up” comment from Cheika. I think the Australian rugby fans have been “sucking it up” for about the last 4 years and if he had half the integrity he makes out he has he would have resigned at least 2 years ago. I’m glad the boys had a beer together afterwards and I agree that they probably are better mates than the press or some comments would make you think. Absolutely back Hansen 100% in that if we can’t win the Cup I hope you do.

    Good to see further signs of growth at the Reds and I’m hoping that there is some on field results next year to back up the other hard work being done.

    • joy

      Are after a bamboo watch?

      • From NooZealand

        ??? – Are after a bamboo watch? ???

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        ? Sorry I don’t get that comment. Can you explain?

        • From NooZealand

          Neither do I. I asked Joy as well.

        • Hoss

          Goog describes the flattering comments from Shag as being as ‘genuine as a bamboo watch’

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Oh ok. Wow! Missed that one

  • Missing Link

    welcome to another week in the Wallabies ‘Hindenburg’ campaign.

    Lucky for me, I’ve had the last 16 years to become desensetised to it so my natural reaction is “meh”

  • onlinesideline

    so are these guys going to miss out ont he squad

    Dempsey
    Samu
    K Hunt
    QC
    Maddox
    Robertson
    DHP
    Kepu
    TK
    Banks
    Luke Jones

    I reallly think excludig Sefa from the campaign was a big mistake. Over all these camps he would have got his speed back. He was awesome.

    How many tries have the darkness scored against us out wide over the last few years. We are in desparate need of some jet shoes across the back line. The kiwis have so many fast off the mark guys and they counter attack on the wing so many times against us. We shoudl have doen more to keep that red winger that went to league for nstance. We are spending money in the wrong areas maybe. Lets face it besides JOC who has real off the mark jet shoes in the Wallabies. Across Super rugby dont we have some real speedstters. TBH against wales and England its nto an issue but against Saffas, Kiwis and ever Pumas it IS an issue IMO.

    • joy

      Koriobete!

      • onlinesideline

        ok good point forgot about him – its late here.
        Well we need another Marika damn it – SEFA ?

        • AllyOz

          it’s funny because 6-12 months ago a lot of us were unconvinced about Koriobete and thought he was another one of Cheika’s bad picks. he improved throughout the Super Rugby tournament and has been one of our best in TRC and one of our few threats on Saturday

    • Keith Butler

      Jones will miss out but was never given any meaningful game time unless of course he gets a run on against Samoa. Wright will go as cover in case Pocock breaks down. Will Cheika take three front rows if so then Kepu or Robertson could be in with a shout. Of your list of backs maybe just Banks. I don’t think there’s much difference in top end speed when it comes to wingers it’s that first 10-15 metres that kills , which is what Barrett has. Wearing my SD hat I just wish we had a Jason Robinson, he had jet shoes with afterburners.

      • onlinesideline

        Mate no offense, and iI know the Poms have had the wood on us recently, but I watched the Poms v Wales matches, not all, but some, and iit looks considerably slower / pedestrian to me. Maybe, just maybe we have gone up a notch or two. Dunno, hard to tell, but they dont have me shaking in my boots.

        • Keith Butler

          None taken. And I totally agree. Both teams looked like they were going through the motions and dare I say it looking to avoid injury. I reckon both EJ and Gatland are holding something back but at some stage before the comp starts they’ve Got to show their hands or have they? The G&G (my second team) and the Darkness have played full on tests for a prize and therein lies the difference.

        • onlinesideline

          Yeah good point – they were in effect friendlies / gate takers

        • Anonymous bloke

          The speed of the 6N England v Scotland game earlier this year was impressively quick.

      • Who?

        Jones’ time against Samoa is irrelevant – the squad’s to be announced this Friday, before the Samoa game.

        • Keith Butler

          Didn’t know that. In which case Jones is gone.

        • onlinesideline

          on that basis so is Foley

        • Keith Butler

          The keyboards on Friday will be melting.

        • onlinesideline

          they would have been melting a bit if we won on saturday – now normalcy has been restored – our default state of “disconnectiion interposed with occassional moments of hope”

        • onlinesideline

          good point – was about to ask that

        • onlinesideline

          I reckon Cheik gonna pull a Skelton suprise on everyone this Friday. Why on earth would he say such a thing if it was off the table. And he WOULD know if its off the table 4 days out.

        • AllyOz

          someone might have asked him specifically about Skelton in the press conference? if not I would fully agree, why raise it unless you were going to do it.

        • idiot savant

          Cheik has designed his little get away program in Noumea so he can get them all drinking the cordial. Samoa comes after that so it wont be a selection trial. It will be the last game before Fiji at the RWC. I expect some WB certainties who we wouldn’t want injured might be excluded like Hooper and Kerevi but otherwise he probably wants to get some match time into his A team.

    • Custard Taht

      Out of that list, Cheika has named Dempsey and Robertson as players being considered.

      He was also quoted as saying the Eden Park game will not be over emphasised at the selection table for the 31 man squad.

    • Missing Link

      The match against Samoa must include Jones, Samu and Dempsey in the backrow Foley at 10 and it must include Banks, Maddocks and DHP in the back 3. Cheika will be silly not to give these guys a run, not only to give them an opportunity to impress but we effectively need a 1st choice and a back up in each and every position for our RWC squad. These guys need game time in the event of an injury.

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        Not sure that you can bring logic and common sense to the party with this coaching team mate

      • Human

        The squad is to be announced on Friday. The Samoa game will have no impact on selections other than to rule someone out through injury.

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      The names missing out for the RWC will be interesting. I’d have to ask what the hell AAC has done all year that justifies his selection apart from play for the Tahs. I also think if Banks doesn’t go then that is a very poor call as Beale is not a good 15 and should be a bench player anyway. Maybe Hodge at 15 as he wasn’t bad there for the Rebels, much better than at wing as a 15 the top end speed is more of a nice to have than a requirement, unlike a winger for example where it is critical. I think some players like Wright, Jones and Dempsey are just going to have to suffer until Cheika and the rest of his failed management team depart. It’s a shame but that’s the way it goes.

      • onlinesideline

        I was thinking Reece at 15 too for the reaosns you mentioned. Beale is an enigma. They just dont know where to put him. He runs great lines and has x factor but cant tackle and cant take a highball. Would hate to be Wallaby coach.

        AAC yep a mystery. Maybe Paeta will take over that now. Although I really wonder of Paeta and Ulessse will eb included. I’d take both.

        • Patrick

          Beale is absolutely not an enigma, and it is piss-easy to place him: no 23.

    • laurence king

      Mate, IMO I believe that we need proper wingers.Hodge and Banks and DHP have all been shown as somewhat lacking for various reasons. It’s a specialist position. Koriebete is a lock on one position but we need someone who can defend, has pace and can finish. Sefa, Speight and Petaia each know how to play the position and I think that we have to take 3 specialists. So I would choose Sefa and Petaia to accompany Koriebete. Petaia has the added bonus of being able to play outside centre brilliantly.
      Beale is a brilliant player but he shouldn’t start, he is simply unsafe under the high ball when pressured, and we’ve always known this. Banks is our best fullback by a mile, he should be picked as such.
      Coleman and LSL should be the backup to Arnold and Rodda and 6 should go to a person who really knows the position and that is not LSL.

      • onlinesideline

        agree on every point

        • laurence king

          I have no rugby pedigree but I’m learning

        • idiot savant

          Lots of wingers grow up playing both wing and full back. Joe Roff was a full back. Ben Smith has played both positions with distinction. Beale has been handy as a winger. If you are quick enough and have that background you can play wing. I think Banks can be turned into a winger but has been given limited opportunity. Winger is also the hardest position to defend and he hasn’t spent enough time there to learn its intricacies. Ive seen all the great wingers miss tackles. Especially the big guys like Lomu and Naiyarovoro. Quick FBs can make wingers but some wingers cant play FB.

        • laurence king

          The problem for Banks is that he hasn’t been given the time to learn and feel at home in the position, and I think anyway that he’s the best fullback we’ve got. Hodge good player that he is, is either, simply not fast enough or lacks acceleration. He’s been pushed around everywhere and that has not helped him either. AAC just simply should not be considered.

      • Keith Butler

        I also firmly believe in specialists. Don’t think we need more that two sets of half backs. I would probably go for three sets of front rowers as well. After that it’s anybody’s guess. Wouldn’t want to be a selector. All will be revealed this Friday.

    • laurence king

      One other thing, it would seem obvious that if your going to pick a player, part of the selection process should involve, how would the opposition target said player. My thoughts on Beale, Hodge and AAC going into the other nights game was that the ABs were going to attempt to exploit their deficiencies. Cheika seems to pick players without this in mind

      • idiot savant

        Cheika doesn’t pick anyone with the opposition in mind. Its a massive limitation seen in his win percentage record. In fact he often just picks experience thinking thats a substitute for a plan to combat the opposition. Witness AAC picked against the ABs last Saturday. AAC was beaten pointless by the AB back’s speed which shows his lack of strategic thinking.

        • laurence king

          Yes, I was struggling to think what AAC was going to bring to the party. And he brought nothing. Just another bloke who was unable to match up effectively

    • Patrick

      I reallly think excluding Sefa from the campaign was a big mistake.

      Agree 100%.

  • AllyOz

    I thought a couple of blokes that stood out particularly for the Wallabies on the weekend were LSL and Reece Hodge.

    Hodge has some good all round skills and his long kicking is particularly useful in our back three where one winger doesn’t kick at all and KB doesn’t have the biggest boot. However, he was really shown up in pace on the weekend and while his defence is OK when he get there, he struggles to get there to stop those very speedy opponents on the wing.

    LSL is a high quality lock, perhaps a Wallabies or international standard lock but I don’t think he is a Wallabies or international standard 6. He has been shown up for lack of pace and he hasn’t, at least in the last couple of games, shown much ability to bend or break the line. As a result, this is all falling on Naisarani.

    • onlinesideline

      yep totally agree, once hes there he is actually a gutsy tackler but just too slow on the turn around and unable to smoke anyone unless hes in the clear. In todays game is that good enough against top 2 sides … nope

    • Keith Butler

      Totally agree with your comments on Hodge and LSL. Still can’t decide if the pass to Hodge that led to the first try was bad or if he just started his run that fraction early or a combination of both. And yes you can train for speed and explosiveness, it’s called plyometrics. If the G&G conditioning trainers are not using plyo as part of the players programs, they are after all professional athletes, then there is something seriously wrong.

      • Andy

        I think it was both. A bad pass and bad positioning

      • AllyOz

        From coaching I have done, in country teams sometimes the winger isn’t a winger just your next best back. And when those blokes know they can’t keep up with the backs inside them they either set themselves flattter or start running ahead of the rest of the line so that they will be in the correct position by the time the ball reaches them. It is difficult to time and adjust for the runner and that makes it difficult for the passer to time the pass. Ideally, I passer should be passing not to the player but to the gap/hole that he wants the runner to run into – I think the pass was probably roughly where it should have been.

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        I blame the pass. To me it looked as though Beale saw he was about to be tackled and just threw it out there. He would have been better taking it in and then setting up for another phase

        • Who?

          The issue there, KRL, is if Beale’s hammered, Hodge is far too wide and flat to support the breakdown. The other player in the vicinity is JOC, who’s passed it just before being tackled. Beale had to give the pass, but Hodge needed to be tighter and deeper. It wasn’t a terrible pass – Beale had the ball for barely a step before it was gone, and the pass from JOC wasn’t perfect – it was on Beale’s left hip. So Beale actually did really well to collect the ball on his left, get it around his body and deliver a pass in vaguely the right position to a far too flat and wide winger (any flatter a pass from Beale and it’s called back for being forward).
          .
          I just wish this playing too flat and wide wasn’t such a consistent issue with Australian backs.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Yeah and I think struggling to keep up which was also part of the issue. Watching Bridge just burn him and LSL was quite eye opening

        • Who?

          I think Hodge has good top end, but he’s not agile. He’s as slow to turn as the Titanic. Not great for a winger. Maybe workable for a fullback, or inside back, but….

        • Hoss

          Bench mate, bench.

        • Who?

          But you’ve gotta have somewhere you intend to play him, otherwise you can’t justify bench.

        • Hoss

          He doesn’t make my squad mate, I’d have Pataia in a millisecond

        • Hoss

          Yep, wouldn’t have mattered where the Clydesdale was standing the pill from Gilbert was heading to the ground the moment it left his hands – it was a shocker.

      • AllyOz

        Agree KB but there are limits to advances you can make to speed. You aren’t going to get a bloke that runs 12 sec/100 down to 10.5. It is limited largely by genetics.

        • Keith Butler

          Agreed. In my case I had a locks genes. Not quick but I had a pretty good beep test score and standing jump.

        • Hoss

          I set a record at our club for beep test. I said to the S&C guy… ‘you want me beep run backwards and. Beep forward for how beepen long? To prove beep what ? You limey beep, I am gonna take that beepen beep beeper and shove it up your beep with a beep and you will be shitting beeps for a beep in beep you mother-beeper. Beep off.

          It’s a record I believe still beepin stands today.

        • Keith Butler

          Well beep me.

        • AllyOz

          I had no jump – I was a lifting second rower in the last 4 years that I played

    • joy

      In the lead up to the Smith try Bridge breaks the line persued by Hodge and LSL. Hodge couldn’t get passed LSL so either this “slow LSL” call is a myth or Hodge is very very slow.

      • AllyOz

        or perhaps both joy – I am saying they are slow for the positions they are selected in though

  • AllyOz

    Haven’t seen Hoss yet this morning – a grey nurse and an expensive bottle of whisky down – I wouldn’t blame him from taking the day off. Don’t worry big fella – that rampant optimism will return. If the last 4 years hasn’t killed it off nothing will (even a 36 to zip loss).

    • Hoss

      Lurking in the shadows mate. History will record the score and the right winner, but I still saw a fair bit I liked. Not prepared to walk away just yet.
      Trying to get my IT gurus (aka 457, non English speaking department) to create a page that we can go to to vote on our RWC 31. I believe the 31 will be decided upon tomorrow and unveiled from a presser at a Qantas hanger on Friday (I recall they did same in 2011, can’t remember 15?) and we can then compare the GAGR 31 v the real deal.

      • Who?

        Anyone taking bets on whether JOC turns up late and hungover this time? :-D
        .
        Kidding of course – it’s great to see the young bloke having had a chance to grow up.

        • Hoss

          I don’t know their music ??

          Whoops meant that got your comment below.

        • Who?

          2011 Hoss – JOC missed the QANTAS unveiling because he’d been out drinking all night before, and was hungover!
          If JOC were a cricketer, we’d be lauding drinking related to QANTAS…

        • Hoss

          Christ – I’d forgotten about that

        • Who?

          One of the great Rugby moments! :-D

        • Hoss

          And Dingo still did nada !!

        • Who?

          He passed a motion of ‘Boys will be Boys’.

      • AllyOz

        I must admit I am still getting a bit of a glow from Perth and there were some good passages in the first 20 that went unrewarded and may have changed the course of the game or at least the confidence of the overall performance. Our blokes seem to have synchronised their worst performances so they all had them at this game.

  • Anonymous bloke

    Although it had been rumoured for a while, just saw Will Miller confirmed signing for Brumbies.

  • skip

    Bill McLaren said of the 1967 NZ side that toured the UK “never kick badly to the All Blacks” and it remains as true as it ever was. Last week the kicking was spot on, this week, wayward and punished. Other factors contributed but that was what was immediately different to me.

    We also out-thought them last week which they studied and learned to counter. It seems we did no further thinking during the week between and played the same tactics, especially off White, which they were coached to deal with. Plan B, if it existed, was not in evidence.

    • Patrick

      What planet are you on??

      I mean, seriously, Plan B?? Who the hell has a plan B these days, plan B is for losers who don’t want it enough.

      ;)

      • skip

        You had me for the first few sentences there….

        • Patrick

          Glad you read to the end then!

      • skip

        you had me going there for a while.

        I got a bottle of red wine called plan B. More than we had in Auckland.

  • Red Block

    So the Reds now have Fraser McReight and Liam Wright as our 7s. As a Reds supporter I love this but as an Australian supporter, surely one of them would be better off at the Rebels.

  • sambo6

    So during the off season, the wallaby set-up jettisoned larkham, and then apparently Cheika has come up with a new attacking game plan (executed by berne), and Grey has come up with a new defensive plan. And one these came togehter properly, they resulted in a famous win.

    So it seems that perhaps we should give some credit to this coaching team for actually adapting tactics after last year’s shitshow. But recent evidence would suggest that they are not able to then adapt that plan on a week to week basis, and provide the subtle variation needed to constantly surprise an opponent

    Will the success in the first Bled actually prove to be a slight curse? by that I mean that we put our head down and just ‘run harder’ with exactly the same plan we used in that game, because we know it worked once. Or will their be subtle variation being held back for the World cup?…..

    Im optimistic…but realistic….and based on evidence of the last 4 years you’d have to say there wont be if you’re a betting man….

    • Hoss

      Mate – It’s like bacon and eggs for brekkie. The chickens involved, but the pigs committed!!

      Go all in.

      • Who?

        You been watching ScoMo?
        He used that today too.

        • Hoss

          No mate no charisma this current lot. Give me Dr Keating or gough quotes any day. Stuff you can use not this inane pandering of today

        • Who?

          It’s pretty terrible when the best communicators in the last election were two blokes who retired 12-25 years beforehand, with one of them passing away the day before the election!

        • Hoss

          As a young man and an economics grad I worshipped those guys of vision and dare……on all sides.

          This last 12 years, well, A country gets the government it deserves…………

        • Greg

          You are making me cry in my beer @HossRugby:disqus

        • Patrick

          Hawke was great. Keating was great but critically flawed. Howard was great. Since then, not so much.

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